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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / February 2005I'm back with the test results...
Hello, I think at one time Grant asked about the results, well here goes... The test was done at a local facility called the Roger Williams Medical Center, but interpreted in a place called Mayo Medical Labs. Heres the results: "Infectious Markers 0845 HSV IGG 1 NEGATIVE HSV IGG 2 NEGATIVE HSV M 1,2 NEGATIVE types 1/2" I Heard that the number 0845 means that there is a strength of 0.845 of the antibodies in the system and that 1.0+ is considered definite positive. So I take this as meaning Negative for all practical purposes, but a borderline level of antibodies. This could be good or bad. It either means that I am borderline and that's the reason for the symptoms, and although its a herpes case, its on the low side, or it means that my immune system is weak and not putting out enough antibodies, so the number is low. That's my take on it. All I know is this "condition" has been going on for about 6-8 years and almost like clockwork in terms of symptoms and duration etc. This past outbreak was worse than most. I talked to another family member about this and she was given acyclovir cream by her doctor for the exact same symptoms as I have and she wasn't even tested for herpes. > I think at one time Grant asked about the results, well here goes... > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > take this as meaning Negative for all practical purposes, but a borderline > level of antibodies. I don't understand what you mean by "borderline level of antibodies." You either have herpes or you don't have it. There is no such thing as partially having herpes. > This could be good or bad. It either means that I am > borderline and that's the reason for the symptoms, and although its a > herpes > case, its on the low side, or it means that my immune system is weak and > not > putting out enough antibodies, so the number is low. That's my take on it. Look... you either have herpes or you don't. There is no such thing as partially having it. If you want to know once and for all what's going on and whether you have it or not then you could take the Herpes Specific Western Blot. It's the most accurate herpes blood test in the country. It will tell you if you have type-1, type-2, both or none at all. > All I know is this "condition" has been going on for about 6-8 years and > almost like clockwork in terms of symptoms and duration etc. This past > outbreak was worse than most. I talked to another family member about this > and she was given acyclovir cream by her doctor for the exact same > symptoms > as I have and she wasn't even tested for herpes. Obviously if she was given acyclovir cream to treat her herpes outbreaks (which by the way is completely USELESS in treating the herpes virus) then her doctor is probably theorizing that she has herpes. Why wouldn't she insist on the doc doing a culture or IGG type specific blood tests? Hang in there, Angela :)  SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ Well maybe I heard wrong, but I understand that an absolute positive has to do with the level of IgG, and the official number is 0.998, and an absolute negative is 0.292. Well I think my number was 0.845, which to me makes me wonder if I appeared negative because the IgG antibodies were low enough to show as neg, but still enough to produce symptoms. I was at the end of the outbreak when I had the bloodtest done, maybe that was the reason it came out low? I don't understand what is happening, because I have almost all of the symptoms for an outbreak and this has been going on for years. I know I have HPV, but that doesn't give you herpes symptoms other than occasional itching. Thanks, Tom > I don't understand what you mean by "borderline level of antibodies." You > either have herpes or you don't have it. There is no such thing as partially > having herpes. >Well maybe I heard wrong, but I understand that an absolute positive has to >do with the level of IgG, and the official number is 0.998, and an absolute [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >have HPV, but that doesn't give you herpes symptoms other than occasional >itching. It's my opinion that your antibody levels would be highest toward the end of an outbreak. The HSV *viral* level should taper off from beginning or middle of outbreak toward the end, because the body begins actively creating antibodies to attack the viruses as soon as it detects them. The end of the outbreak means that the viruses, or most of them, have been destroyed, and there should be a load of antibodies standing around waiting for something to attack. Like I said in my other post just previous, it just may be that your immune system is not as aggressive against the HSV virus as most people's are. We're all different. I doubt very much that it's a matter that you have some slightly different strain of HSV from what everyone else has, because a normal immune system wouldn't care about that. Our bodies will build antibodies suitable to fight almost any infection that comes along, even ones that have never been encountered before. Take care, Mike >Hello, >I think at one time Grant asked about the results, well here goes... >The test was done at a local facility called the Roger Williams Medical >Center, but interpreted in a place called Mayo Medical Labs. Heres the >results: >"Infectious Markers >0845 HSV IGG 1 NEGATIVE > HSV IGG 2 NEGATIVE > HSV M 1,2 NEGATIVE types 1/2" >I Heard that the number 0845 means that there is a strength of 0.845 of the >antibodies in the system and that 1.0+ is considered definite positive. So I [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >and she was given acyclovir cream by her doctor for the exact same symptoms >as I have and she wasn't even tested for herpes. You may be right about the 0845, but I'm wondering why you didn't get a number for each of HSV IGG 1, HSV IGG2, and HSV M 1,2. Also, it seems strange that you could have had HSV for so long, and experienced outbreaks so regularly, but still show negative on a test. I suppose it could be that your immune system is somehow weak or slow in producing antibodies to fight the virus, which may be why you've had such a chronic but low level recurring condition. Or, I suppose, there *might* be some slight variation in your own particular personal antibodies that make them less likely to fall within the parameters of whatever defines the particular test you had, though that doesn't account for the ongoing discomforts you've experienced. Have you tried taking antivirals like Valtrex or Acyclovir? Not just the cream, but the pills? If you were to take the medicine for a few months and you didn't have any outbreaks, it might be a safe bet to conclude that you do have the virus. On the other hand, if Valtrex, et al., doesn't do anything to stop your outbreaks, maybe there really is some other underlying cause. These are just guesses, but maybe something to talk to your Doc about. Take care, Mike Thank you for your information. I kind of believe that my immune system is below average anyway, because when I get the flu, its not like most people that get it for 10 days, instead I get the flu for 4 weeks and its accompanied with bronchitis and other things. I had Epstein Barr when I was 27 and it became very bad to the point of what I guess was chronic fatigue syndrome and I was nearly bed ridden for 6 months with on going related symptoms that lasted a year total. I really don't know why the 0845 IgG wasn't listed on the HSV 2 or IgM lines. I know that IgM wouldn't make a difference anyway, because I got infected about 7 years ago, and IgM is only for within 4 months. The blood tests don't really show the location of the infection, but I do know that I never get coldsores, so it has to be genital, because that's where the outbreaks occur. As far as outbreaks, I mainly get them when under stress, and this month has been bad, because of everything changing at work and alot of other family things going on. Generally I get 4-5 outbreaks a year, but that's a guess, and sometimes they are slightly less severe than others. I have never used antiviral, I guess its something to think about, but I think I'd rather try taking vitamins like Lysine and B5/B6 and others. Thanks, Tom > I suppose it could be that your immune system is somehow weak or > slow in producing antibodies to fight the virus, which may be why [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mike Hi Tom, What you need to do is strengthen your immune system. Taking vitamins will help but it won't actually make you all better. you need to work from the inside out and that means diet and exercise. It means cutting out the bad stuff you are putting in your body and then only feeding yourself the foods that allow your body to rebuild and heal. If interested, please read "Fit For Life" by Harvey Diamond. Take care, ar >Thank you for your information. I kind of believe that my immune system is >below average anyway, because when I get the flu, its not like most people [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Tom Hi Grant, I'll look into that book. I do need to be more healthy. I quit smoking in 1999 and don't drink much. I went to the doctors today...a urologist and told him my symptoms and he checked me. He said he is almost positive that I have genital herpes in spite of the NEG test. He said that a test can show negative even if it is positive, and that could be because of the time you did it and the antibodies etc. He told me that if it shows up this time, he'll put me on Valtrex if I want it. I know that 30 pills are $40.00 per month on my plan, but if I had to buy it then the cost would be $170.00 per month! I'm having another more comprehensive herpes test tomorrow. I'll you all posted. Thanks, Tom > Hi Tom, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > >Tom >Hi Grant, >I'll look into that book. I do need to be more healthy. I quit smoking in >1999 and don't drink much. I went to the doctors today...a urologist and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >month! I'm having another more comprehensive herpes test tomorrow. I'll you >all posted. Many people just take the pills at the onset of symptoms, and then for several days, rather than all the time. Depending on how frequently you experience outbreaks, it may not be as expensive as it looks. And Acyclovir can be found fairly cheaply if you shop around the net (being careful to find a reputable place.) Sounds like the urologist knows what he's talking about. Glad you saw him. Take care, Mike I'm glad you saw the doctor, Tom. What test is he going to give you? If it isn't the Herpes Select Western Blot, then don't waste your money. IMHO ar >Hi Grant, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Tom The lab that I went to does only one kind of herpes test called the HerpeSelect test, and it goes to California from what I understand. They told me it takes 10 days to get the results. My question: is the HerpeSelect also the same thing as a western blott? Everytime I encounter someone about this virus I get a scared cold look from the receptionists and medical staff...except for the doctor. What is the reason for this? I should have the results in 15 days because that's when I have to go to the doctor. The doctor confirmed again that I have HPV, which caused the wart I have and could be related to the burning sensation, because there could be blisters in the urinary tract. He said the other symptoms are most likely herpes. I know that my previous girls previous boyfriend had GH and now I remember also that someone that gave me oral sex about 7 years ago, had herpes 1 (oral), but didn't have coldsores at the time. So I came in contact 2 times that I know of. Thanks, Tom > I'm glad you saw the doctor, Tom. What test is he going to give you? If it > isn't the Herpes Select Western Blot, then don't waste your money. IMHO > > ar > is the HerpeSelect >also the same thing as a western blott? No, they're two different tests but the HerpeSelect is almost as accurate. >scared cold look from >the receptionists and medical staff...except for the doctor. What is the >reason for this? Ignorance .... plain and simple. M2 Hi Tom, Nope. The Western Blot is not the same as the Herpes Select. However, I've heard good things about Herpes select, so hopefully you will get an accurate result this time. ar >The lab that I went to does only one kind of herpes test called the >HerpeSelect test, and it goes to California from what I understand. They [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> >> ar Hello, Has anyone heard that H balm is good for the sores? I cant get it in the north east where I live though. Another thing is that after the sores went away, I was left with terrible lower back and tail bone soreness, and I don't remember that from before. Plus the head of the penis has been burning constantly, and sometimes I get a warm burning feeling coming from the whole area, even the bottom of the foot. Is this all related to the herpes? I don't remember these symptoms before and I am concerned. Maybe occasionally I remember some lower back pain but not like this, and not all this burning in the penis also. It happened right after the genital lesions went away. Thanks, Tom > Hi Tom, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > >> > >> ar |
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