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Homemade vs Rx Remedies: READER BEWARE

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janedoe - 04 Dec 2004 07:48 GMT
When I first started reading this thread (see below) I thought Mike was
being excessively harsh. But after seeing the pattern of postings made by
Perl von Molson, I would have to agree and state that you are indeed
questionable. I am no friend of evil big pharma and quite receptive to
good,*sound* holistic approaches to health issues. I also have spent a lot
of my life tooling around in the worlds of physiology, pharmacology, and
cell/molecular biology, as well as some holistic circles. You have posted
a lot of info, but the context almost always seems slightly, if not, *very
much* off kilter.

Most of the holistic stuff that you are mixing up are already available in
ointment form via mail or at stores- so you may be spending your time
reinventing the wheel (w/o a sound approach, no less). Ointments aren’t
even that effective, including acyclovir ointments, according to more than
one bona fide health care professional, because it needs to be circulating.
You just can’t get most compounds/molecule (be it acyclovir, Melissa
extracts, crack cocaine) through the lipid bilayer of ANY cell w/o special
carrier molecules, much less a lipid bilayer cell that’s covered w/ a
myelin sheath (nerve cells that participate in impulse-and HSV1,2-
transmission. It is only when you can get through that gauntlet that you
may have a chance to penetrate the nuclear envelope to get to the cell’s
DNA where the virus has incorporated its genetic material. Then you gotta
cut out the viral genetic material. And you gotta do this for each and
every nerve cell, w/o triggering something like apoptosis or cancer… or an
immune response to whatever compounds that’s in this cure.

I hope that you will share with us you home grown gene therapy and the
delivery of whatever restriction endonucleases you intend on using to rid
each affected nerve cell of HSV genetic material. That’s all just the TIP
of the iceberg for what’s needed to CURE herpes.

I say this in sarcasm but in all humility. I am not using big words to
show off. I am by no means a virologist nor do I consider myself any kind
of a medical expert. These are just basic facts that I have stated (and
omitted) from basic biology. Not sure how my point will be taken but
wanted to back Mike up and say READER BEWARE.

I am sure you have the best of intentions, but that’s what the road to
hell is also paved with- good intentions.  Giving out recipes that don’t
prevent viral replication/that allow viral propagation to occur seems
really harmful. It takes away precious time to nip things in the bud,
thereby creating more pain and suffering.

As for me, I will continue w/ controlling HSV via high lys/low arg diet,
select holistic means and most of all, ACYCLOVIR…

[In topic 413 which can be found at:  
http://www.talkaboutsupport.com/group/alt.support.herpes/messages/62468.html

Perl von Molson writes:
“I am, actually, looking for a cure. I have a feeling there is a cure
it just needs to be discovered. Not using lysine as a supplement or
topical it is my personal theory; the reason is so you let your body being
exposed to viruses and letting it cope using its high defence mechanisms.
Once you use lysine or prescription drugs sucn as acyclovir, your body
will not use its potential at its fullest to overcome the viral
infection.”]
Angela S. - 04 Dec 2004 16:18 GMT
> When I first started reading this thread (see below) I thought Mike was
> being excessively harsh. But after seeing the pattern of postings made by
> Perl von Molson, I would have to agree and state that you are indeed
> questionable.

I'm glad to see that you are observant when it comes to checking the past
posts. Each person's record speaks for itself and this is a GREAT way to
figure out who's posts have good quality information about Herpes Simplex
Virus. Kudos to you for doing your homework!! Mike is an extremely helpful
person on this newsgroup and may come across as *harsh* to the newbies that
have never visited this part of the net before.. but he's never harsh
without good reason.

> I am no friend of evil big pharma and quite receptive to
> good,*sound* holistic approaches to health issues. I also have spent a lot
> of my life tooling around in the worlds of physiology, pharmacology, and
> cell/molecular biology, as well as some holistic circles. You have posted
> a lot of info, but the context almost always seems slightly, if not, *very
> much* off kilter.

Amen!! You can say that again!! lol :-)

I for one am open to all sorts of avenues when it comes to treating Herpes
Simplex Virus and each person has to figure out what is best for them based
on the information that they have and what is going on at the moment in
their life. Hopefully each person will base their decision on the facts.

> Most of the holistic stuff that you are mixing up are already available in
> ointment form via mail or at stores- so you may be spending your time
> reinventing the wheel (w/o a sound approach, no less). Ointments aren't
> even that effective, including acyclovir ointments, according to more than
> one bona fide health care professional, because it needs to be
> circulating.

Most Herpes Experts would agree that it's best not to use creams and
ointments because it keeps the outbreak from healing in a timely manner. Of
course people don't have to use anything and their outbreak will go away
eventually.. it will just take a lot longer.

> You just can't get most compounds/molecule (be it acyclovir, Melissa
> extracts, crack cocaine) through the lipid bilayer of ANY cell w/o special
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> every nerve cell, w/o triggering something like apoptosis or cancer. or an
> immune response to whatever compounds that's in this cure.

I'm assuming that when you use the word *cure* you mean *treatment* and are
not implying that there is a way to wipe out the virus completely from a
person's body. Right?

> I hope that you will share with us you home grown gene therapy and the
> delivery of whatever restriction endonucleases you intend on using to rid
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> omitted) from basic biology. Not sure how my point will be taken but
> wanted to back Mike up and say READER BEWARE.

:: sigh :: breathing a sigh of relief here.. lol :-)

> I am sure you have the best of intentions, but that's what the road to
> hell is also paved with- good intentions.  Giving out recipes that don't
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> As for me, I will continue w/ controlling HSV via high lys/low arg diet,
> select holistic means and most of all, ACYCLOVIR.

See.. me personally.. I have no problem with folks controlling the frequency
or intensity of their outbreaks by watching their diet or some holistic
route as you have mention. What I do have a problem with is folks assuming
that going this route will reduce transmission to their non-infected
partner. The only medication or solution out there that have proven in
clinical studies to reduce transmission is suppressive therapy with Valtrex
or Acyclovir. Know what I mean? Also, there are many people that use OTC
treatments to relieve the pain of a flare up while they are waiting for
their meds to kick in and I have no problem with that either. In fact, over
on www.westoverheights.com there is a neat little book you can read online
called "The Updated Herpes Handbook" and it lists lots of OTC treatments
that can be used to relieve the pain of an outbreak.

> [In topic 413 which can be found at:
> http://www.talkaboutsupport.com/group/alt.support.herpes/messages/62468.html
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> will not use its potential at its fullest to overcome the viral
> infection."]

As usually Perl vn Molson truly believes that you body will build up a
resistance to acyclovir and that is simply *not* true.

Happy Holidays and Merry CHRISTmas!!

Angela :-)

www.yoshi2me.com
janedoe - 05 Dec 2004 02:53 GMT
Thanks Angela S.

And might I add that YOU have been a great help to MANY people with your
website http://www.yoshi2me.com/
in MANY ways. Yes there is alot of moral support out there but yours seems
to stand out somehow.

Thanks a bunch!

BTW, when I said CURE, I was just quoting Perl von Molson:

topic 413 which can be found at:  
http://www.talkaboutsupport.com/group/alt.support.herpes/messages/62468.html

Perl von Molson writes:
“I am, actually, looking for a cure. I have a feeling there is a cure it
just needs to be discovered. Not using lysine as a supplement or topical
it is my personal theory; the reason is so you let your body being
exposed to viruses and letting it cope using its high defence mechanisms.
Once you use lysine or prescription drugs sucn as acyclovir, your body
will not use its potential at its fullest to overcome the viral
infection.”]
Angela S. - 05 Dec 2004 03:20 GMT
> Thanks Angela S.
>
> And might I add that YOU have been a great help to MANY people with your
> website http://www.yoshi2me.com/

Wow!! Thanks for saying so.. it's nice to hear good things once in awhile.
:-)

> in MANY ways. Yes there is alot of moral support out there but yours seems
> to stand out somehow.
>
> Thanks a bunch!

You are welcome!!

I am always looking for ways to improve what's out there.. there is always
room for improvement. If you have any ideas or suggestions to improve the
site and what I have going on.. please feel free to let me know!! :-)

> BTW, when I said CURE, I was just quoting Perl von Molson:

I figured that's what you were doing.. I know there was some discussion on
this newsgroup a couple of years ago about the definition of the word
"cure." That's why I always make it a point not to use that word around here
too much. Many times you'll see me post things like "There is nothing that
will completely *wipe out* the virus from the body." The word "cure" can be
taken so many different ways. Some people use it as another word "to treat"
while others see the word "cure" as a definate solution to the problem. A
way to delete the virus.. Know what I mean?

Again.. thanks for the positive words and the feedback. It's greatly
appreciated!!

Merry CHRISTmas!!

Angela :-)
 
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