Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / December 2004
oral sex and herpes?
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branlory - 06 Dec 2004 21:16 GMT Hello all.
My girlfriend has been diagnosed positive for Herpes Type 2, while I'm negative.
I would like to know the risks of me giving her oral sex and she giving me oral sex.
Thanks a lot,
Bran.
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 06 Dec 2004 22:19 GMT >My girlfriend has been diagnosed positive for Herpes Type 2, while I'm >negative. >I would like to know the risks of me giving her oral sex and she giving me >oral sex. Couple of things... first, you didn't mention where your gf's infection is located. But I'll assume it's genital since oral type 2 is not all that common. Second, you didn't mention how she was diagnosed. A outbreak appears the same whether it's type 1 or type 2 so if the diagnosis was visual only, you can't be sure which type it is. When considering transmission risk, type matters. Third (ok, ok, I said "a couple" but....) you didn't mention whether or not either of you have been blood tested for type 1. And by the way, lack of symptoms either oral or genital is *not* and indication of a lack of infection of either type.
So to answer your questions, we must make quite a few assumptions (and you know what they say about "assumptions"). Sooo... simplest scenario: She infected only with type 2 genital, you not infected at all, and the two of you do not engage in oral sex a couple of days before, during, or a couple of days after her outbreaks. That being the case, you'd be at very slight risk of contracting type 2 oral when giving oral to her (and when I say slight, I mean *really* slight). And neither of you at risk when she giving oral to you (vaginal sex would be a different story though). That's the short version. I could go on for a few more paragraphs, especially if the diagnosis were visual only and it turns out she has type 1 genital. That'd change the transmission risk for the worse with oral sex but for the better with vaginal sex. .... but that's another story.
M2
branlory - 07 Dec 2004 17:27 GMT Thanks for replying.
Well the scenario is your simplest scenario:
- I don't have any type of herpes (I have been tested and diagnosed negative for both types, the result for type 1 was 4.3)
- She has genital herpes type 2 in the genital area.
So according to you, doing oral sex has a very slight risk.
Any other opinions?
Thanks,
Bran
> >My girlfriend has been diagnosed positive for Herpes Type 2, while I'm > >negative. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > M2 M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 08 Dec 2004 02:54 GMT >So according to you, doing oral sex has a very slight risk. >Any other opinions? Yep. ... and also here's some stuff you can ponder.
Your individual risk is based on three variables. 1) The frequency and volume of virus your gf sheds asymptomatically. 2) Your own body's natural resistance to the virus, and 3) the frequency of your oral sex..
Of the three, you can only know one variable for sure. The other two are guesses. So no matter how we figure this, we may be wrong.
Anyhow, bad news first. Regarding the first variable, most times, a newly infected individual sheds virus more often than someone who's had it awhile. So your gf can assume more frequent shedding events with higher volume now than later on down the road.(but that'll be good news later on).
Next, there's no way of knowing ahead of time how resistant your body is to the virus. Some people seem to pick it up fairly quickly while others seem to be practically immune from the git go. But having no antibodies at all doesn't seem to me to be a good thing.
Now the good news. For some reason, type 2 doesn't transfer to the oral region very easily. At least not as easily as type 1 transfers to the genital region, which is why type 2 oral is a fairly uncommon condition (not saying it can't happen though). And here's more good news. If it *does* happen, you'll probably never have symptoms. And if you do, you can expect only one or two outbreaks and that's about it. So usually, unless you're an extremely unusual case, type 2 *really* isn't very bothersome orally. In addition, you probably won't shed asymptomatically very often either. More good news. The current theory is, once your body builds up immunity to the virus, autoinnoculation (transfering it to other parts of your body) becomes much less likely. And using the same logic (and here's the best news), transfering it to your genitals from your girlfriend's genitals becomes much less likely as well. At leastr, that's the theory. Your mileage may vary.
Anyhow, it's something to think about. By the way, I'm no expert ..... and I've been wrong before. I'd like to hear some comment about it from others in the group though. Good, bad, or indiffernt.
M2
Angela S. - 08 Dec 2004 15:32 GMT Genital Herpes Type-2 tends to stay in the genital areas..
Even in the rare instances that people can contract Oral Herpes Type-2 once they have their first oral flare up they probably will never get another one again. That's what I've heard over the years from the herpes experts.
A great little handbook that you can read or print out for free online is "The Updated Herpes Handbook" over on www.westoverheights.com Take a look at that when you have some time.. you would be surprised how much information is packed into that little booklet.
Hope this helps,
Angela :)
www.yoshi2me.com
> Thanks for replying. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Bran M.L.S. - 06 Dec 2004 22:27 GMT >Hello all. Hi again.
>My girlfriend has been diagnosed positive for Herpes Type 2, while I'm >negative. Ooops. I responded to the previous post not knowing you were aware of your status.
>I would like to know the risks of me giving her oral sex and she giving me >oral sex. If your friend only has herpes genitally, then you can only acquire it from her genital region. Therefore she can kiss you all she wants and you won't get her genital herpes. And you can kiss her anywhere except the great boxer short area and pretty much not worry. When speaking of "genital" herpes, the area where virus can be shed is best described as the boxer short region, even if women don't seem to wear boxer shorts much.
The trick comes in knowing whether one actually does NOT have herpes orally, or whether one has it at all. Just because one does not have outbreaks doesn't mean one doesn't have herpes. While a modern blood test can tell *if* you have herpes, and which *kind* of herpes you have, it cannot tell you *where* you have it. Of course, having an outbreak is a pretty good indicator of where one has it, but, like I say, a lot of people don't have outbreaks. For instance, I have oral and genital herpes, but very rarely is there any sign of it orally, and then only a light red dot. If my blood test didn't indicate that I had HSV1 I would not have considered that I had it orally (though, strictly speaking, since I haven't had an oral sore ever cultured, I don't even now know for sure.)
It can be a little confusing at first, partly because the virus does not always announce itself when it's in our bodies, and it can be rather difficult trying to pinpoint the risks of getting or giving it.
>Thanks a lot,
>Bran. Hope that helps. Take care,
Mike
janedoe - 07 Dec 2004 00:33 GMT Mike-
when you were tested, was hsv2 ruled out? Just curious and wondering if this is a case of hsv1 only, both "north" and "south".
M.L.S. - 07 Dec 2004 02:27 GMT >Mike-
>when you were tested, was hsv2 ruled out? Just curious and wondering if >this is a case of hsv1 only, both "north" and "south". No, while I still can't find my agéd results sheet that always was right *here*, I recall that the HSV2 reading on the ol' type specific test was higher than the HSV1 reading, with both in positive territory. And since the OBs were rather noiticeable (at least by me) and fairly regularly occurring, I was always pretty sure it was HSV2 "south".
The general view around here is that HSV 1 "south" is less apt to be recurring and will very likely be very mild if it does recur.
Then there was the fact that my (now) ex-wife came down with HSV2 about five years before I got around to seriously considering that I had it. I believe hers was cultured. In retrospect, after confronting the unavoidable evidence, I realized that my long standing "allergy" to laundry detergent was in reality a long term relationship with my buddy HSV. Most likely, HSV2.
And besides, I've always had trouble trying to figure how I'd act differently if I only had HSV1 or only had it orally. I would still have "herpes", and would still inform my partners. I don't know what I'd do differently, except maybe not worry so much if I met a woman who had it the same way I did.
Thanks for asking. ;-)
Mike
cwbrh - 07 Dec 2004 00:51 GMT i have had HSV1 for the past 3 weeks. i got it from my bf who unknowingly has HSV1 and had a cold sore on his mouth and gave me oral sex. The catch is...his sore was not present at the time of the oral sex. if your gf is HSV2, then i would still play it safe and use condoms / dental dam as from what i have been learning is that you can have both types of H. and besides, the risk of your health is not worth it. play it safe if you do anything, and withdraw from sexual activity during her breakouts. i hope this helps some. kate
branlory - 07 Dec 2004 17:28 GMT Thanks Kate.
> i have had HSV1 for the past 3 weeks. i got it from my bf who unknowingly > has HSV1 and had a cold sore on his mouth and gave me oral sex. The catch [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > this helps some. > kate Angela S. - 07 Dec 2004 13:36 GMT I'm assuming that you have been tested for herpes then? How were you tested? Over on www.yoshi2me.com there is a button on the left hand side that says *type-1 and type-2*.. be sure and read everything on that page. I think you will find it to be quite helpful.
Merry CHRISTmas!!
Angela :)
> Hello all. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bran. janedoe - 08 Dec 2004 03:58 GMT thanks everyone, for their postings and replies. MY desire to drive off a cliff over all this is subsiding slightly (partially kidding).
and mike- thanks for your reply on this thread and also on some of, well, the other less useful threads :S
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