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About asymptomatic shedding, a question.
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Perl Molson - 09 Dec 2004 06:47 GMT It is assumed that, for some strange reason, the viruses shed asymptomatically at times.
My question is, if can be possible that during an asymptomatic shedding, if the body would try to fight those shedding viruses, a minimal OB could happen during this period.
I mean, those shedding herpes viruses can become active and infectious while theey have been under attack by the body's defence mechanisms? Let's say it would happen during a time when certain antivirals have been ingested in our bodies ( you name them, there are a whole lot of natural antivirals).
So again, in this above described situation, from an asymptomatic shedding state, the viruses would become active.
Perl von Molson
Angela S. - 09 Dec 2004 14:52 GMT > It is assumed that, for some strange reason, the viruses > shed asymptomatically at times. It's not very strange at all..
> My question is, if can be possible that > during an asymptomatic shedding, if the body would > try to fight those shedding viruses, > a minimal OB could happen during this period. You are not quite understanding how asymptomatic shedding works. Have you read the Updated Herpes Handbook over on www.westoverheights.com?
> I mean, those shedding herpes viruses can become active > and infectious while theey have been under attack by the > body's defence mechanisms? > Let's say it would happen during a time when certain antivirals have > been ingested in our > bodies ( you name them, there are a whole lot of natural antivirals). If you take a true herpes antiviral medication then asymptomatic shedding is decreased by about 95%.
> So again, in this above described situation, > from an asymptomatic shedding state, the viruses would become active. You need to read that handbook I told you about..
Angela
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M.L.S. - 09 Dec 2004 14:57 GMT >It is assumed that, for some strange reason, the viruses >shed asymptomatically at times. BZZZZZZZZZZZT. It isn't "assumed", Perlie, asymptomatic shedding is an established FACT. And not "for some strange reason". If you wanted to, you could buy the necessary equipment to enable you to take swabs of your skin at various times and test those swabs for presence of the virus, and you would find virus anywhere from 3% to 20% of the time.
>My question is, if can be possible that >during an asymptomatic shedding, if the body would >try to fight those shedding viruses, >a minimal OB could happen during this period. Why WOULDN'T it be possible? Do you not think it's possible that on Tuesday there might be shed only one virus per hour, while on Wednesday there might be 1,000 an hour, and that on Thursday there might be a million or more an hour?
How come, in three years of allegedly investigating the herpes virus, Perlie, you don't seem to understand anything about the herpes virus?
>I mean, those shedding herpes viruses can become active >and infectious while theey have been under attack by the >body's defence mechanisms? Case in point. No, Perlie, but I now see that you are getting too close to the BIG SECRET. It's time we ripped back the curtain and told you: Your herpes outbreaks are related to your brain power.
Since, after three years of posting other people's medical articles and asking the same dumb questions over and over, after three years of still not knowing that asymptomatic shedding is a fact and not an assumption, after three years of not knowing that herpes and the immune system are at odds with each other and that sometimes the virus breaks through, it pretty much looks to me that your mind doesn't have a chance and that you are doomed to a lifetime infection with the H virus.
Tough luck, ol' boy.
By the way, I'm still convinced that "Perl Molson" is just a mangled anagram for "Herpes Moron". Am I right?
Mike
>Let's say it would happen during a time when certain antivirals have >been ingested in our >bodies ( you name them, there are a whole lot of natural antivirals).
>So again, in this above described situation, >from an asymptomatic shedding state, the viruses would become active. beatadje@email.com - 09 Dec 2004 17:31 GMT Summing all your writing below, obviously you didn't get my pooint.
What I am saying is that, the herpes virus will shed in the skin's cells remaining undetected by the immune system and also infecting other cells in their vecinity by hiding themselves during the skin's cell to cell infections.(I can't remember the name of the part of the cell through which the viruses travel to infect the vecinity cells).
So again, my point was that, due to an ingestion of some antivirals ( I am talking natural antivirals), only then the immune system will start detecting the infected skin cells and the inflammation will start, eventually due to the skin cell damage will result in an OB.
There are disting view on the issues here, Mike and it maybe the case that noone else did figure this out in this group? What's going on?
OK, another thing; the prescription drugs don't interfere with the viruses situated on the skin areas. Prescription drugs all they do is interfere at the thydimine kinase in the neuron, right? Therefore those viruses will not become fully functional viruses and in conclussion not able to shed on the skin.
I am talking in here, again, about the situation when the viruses are already shedding and remain undetected there up to a point when some antivirals will contribute to the immune sistem's detecting them.
Do you see my point now, Mike?
Perl von Molson
> >It is assumed that, for some strange reason, the viruses > >shed asymptomatically at times. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >So again, in this above described situation, > >from an asymptomatic shedding state, the viruses would become active. M.L.S. - 09 Dec 2004 18:27 GMT >Summing all your writing below, obviously you didn't get my pooint.
>What I am saying is that, the herpes virus will shed in the skin's >cells [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >vecinity >cells).
>So again, my point was that, due to an ingestion of some antivirals ( I >am >talking natural antivirals), only then the immune system will start >detecting >the infected skin cells and the inflammation will start, eventually >due to the skin cell damage will result in an OB.
>There are disting view on the issues here, Mike and >it maybe the case that noone else did figure this out in this group? >What's going on?
>OK, another thing; the prescription drugs don't interfere with the >viruses situated on the skin areas. Prescription drugs all they do is >interfere at the thydimine kinase in the neuron, right? Therefore >those viruses will not become fully functional viruses and >in conclussion not able to shed on the skin.
>I am talking in here, again, about the situation when the viruses are >already >shedding and remain undetected there up to a point when some >antivirals will contribute to the immune sistem's detecting them.
>Do you see my point now, Mike? Nope, I don't. You don't have a point. You have an addled mind looking for a point.
Is asymptomatic shedding a theory or a fact, Perlie?
Mike
beatadje@email.com - 11 Dec 2004 19:51 GMT > >Summing all your writing below, obviously you didn't get my pooint. > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Mike What do you know about the huge field of inflammation? Not remainding there are many unknowns? Do you know how aspirin works? Cuz' scientists don't know it. There are great relationships between the way herpes virus acts on our bodies and the inflammation processes. Asymptomatic shedding mechasnisms includes, many of these related to, above mentioned factors.
Why are you playing a smart a.s, again, Mike? There are at least a half a dozen of people in this group that have asked you this question so far.
Perl von Molson
M.L.S. - 11 Dec 2004 21:51 GMT >> Is asymptomatic shedding a theory or a fact, Perlie?
>What do you know about the huge field of inflammation? Spray a little Bactine on it? Am I close?
Mike
>Not remainding there are many unknowns?
>Do you know how aspirin works? Cuz' scientists don't know it. >There are great relationships between the way herpes virus acts on >our bodies and the inflammation processes. >Asymptomatic shedding mechasnisms includes, many of these related to, >above mentioned factors.
>Why are you playing a smart a.s, again, Mike? There are at least a half >a dozen of people in this group that have asked you this question so >far. beatadje@email.com - 12 Dec 2004 05:30 GMT > >> Is asymptomatic shedding a theory or a fact, Perlie? > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >a dozen of people in this group that have asked you this question so > >far. Wow, you've made a long story, short. I'm impressed.
Speaking of that sfuff you've just mentioned, I've purchased today my spray "Bactine" along with a bottle of Witch Hazel Aqueous Distillate 85% with ethyl alcohol, just to enrich my arsenal for any surprises that may come along. It's really worth spending a few bucks on stuff that can along with all the other stuff, secure 100% from any herpes activity.
Witch Hazel its supposed to be, in ethyl alcohol, along with Melissa (Lemon Balm, also in 85% ethyl alcohol) one of the best herpes treatments known.
I am not sure about the adaptability of the herpes simplex virus in such environment but definitelly a larger variety of antivirals means a greater attack on the viruses on almost all levels.
Just a reminder, Benzalkonium Chloride, compound found in Bactine and other products, it is one of the most effective antivirals available and on of the few substances that penetrates several layers of the skin/mucosa destroing the viruses (there is an articol I've posted awhile ago regarding this).
Perl von Molson
Anonymous - 12 Dec 2004 06:32 GMT Uh, Perl, from www.bactine.com:
# When using this product
* do not use in or near the eyes * do not apply over large areas of the body or in large quantities * do not apply over raw surfaces or blistered areas
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> I am not sure about the adaptability of the herpes simplex virus in > such [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Perl von Molson M.L.S. - 12 Dec 2004 16:46 GMT >Uh, Perl, from www.bactine.com:
># When using this product
> * do not use in or near the eyes > * do not apply over large areas of the body or in large quantities > * do not apply over raw surfaces or blistered areas Someone should research the "Lidocaine HCL" and the inactive ingredients in Bactine vs the fifth of isopropyl alcohol in Viroxyn.
Bactine:
Active Benzalkonium Cl 0.13% (First aid antiseptic) Lidocaine HCl 2.5% (Pain reliever)
Inactive disodium EDTA fragrances octoxynol 9 propylene glycol water
Viroxyn:
Active Benzalkonium Cl 0.13%
Inactive isopropyl alcohol water
beatadje@email.com - 12 Dec 2004 18:43 GMT > >Uh, Perl, from www.bactine.com: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > isopropyl alcohol > water http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidocaine
Lidocaine
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. Chemical structure of lidocaine Lidocaine IUPAC name 2-(diethylamino)-N-(2,6-dimethylphenyl)acetamide monohydrochloride Chemical formula C14H22N2O·HCl·H2O CAS number 137-58-6 Molecular weight 234.3406 Melting point 66 - 69 Excretion Renal Metabolism Liver
Lidocaine (INN) or lignocaine (former BAN) is a popular local anesthetic often used in dentistry or topically. It is marketed by AstraZeneca under the brand name Xylocaine.
Lidocaine is the active ingredient in cloves. In fact, if one were to chew on ground clove powder, one would get a numb mouth. This is because of the lidocaine's local anesthetic effects. Contents [showhide] 1 History 2 Pharmacology 3 Toxicity 4 Related Information [edit]
History
Lidocaine, the first amide-type local anesthetic, was developed by Nils Lofgren in 1943 and first marketed in 1948.
Pharmacology
Lidocaine is metabolized in the liver and excreted by the kidneys. It is faster acting and longer lasting than procaine (novocaine).
When given intravenously, lidocaine is a class Ib antiarrhythmic agent and will block the sodium channel of the cardiac action potential, which decreases automaticity by reducing the slope of phase 4 depolarization with little effect on the PR interval, QRS complex or QT interval.
This drug is used in the treatment of ventricular cardiac arrhythmias and cardiac arrest with ventricular fibrillation, especially with acute ischemia, though it is not useful in the treatment of atrial arrhythmias.
The half life of intravenous lidocaine is about 109 minutes, but because it is metabolized in the liver (which depends on liver blood flow), dosage should be reduced in patients with low cardiac output or who are in shock. In patients with cardiogenic shock, the half life may exceed ten hours.
Toxicity
Toxicity is most often seen when there has been an inadvertant intravascular injection of lidocaine when being used as a local anesthetic. Central nervous system toxicity manifests as diziness, paresthesia (pins and needles), confusion and - in more severe cases - seizures or coma. Severe toxicity may also result in cardiovascular system collapse or asystole.
Related Information
* Benzocaine * Procaine * Cocaine * Cloves
Are there any interactions with Lidoderm? Are there any interactions with Lidoderm? answer for 'Are there any interactions with Lidoderm?'Lidoderm is a patch that contains lidocaine, a local anesthetic. By blocking nerve endings in the skin, it can help relieve the pain that often follows a case of shingles (postherpetic neuralgia). Lidoderm may interact with drugs used to control irregular heartbeats, so be sure to talk to your doctor before using Lidoderm if you take medication for this condition.
Sources: Lidoderm Product Information. Endo Pharmaceuticals Inc, 1999. Galer, B.S. "Topical Lidocaine Patch Relieves Postherpetic Neuralgia More Effectively Than a Vehicle Topical Patch: Results of an Enriched Enrollment Study," Pain 80 (1999).
This answer prepared 5/23/00. http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/ayp/questions.asp?label=1534
Common Name: Isopropyl Alcohol CAS Number: 67-63-0 DOT Number: UN 1219 Date: September, 1988 -----------------------------------------
HAZARD SUMMARY * Isopropyl Alcohol can affect you when breathed in and by passing through your skin. * There is an increased risk of cancer associated with the manufacturing of Isopropyl Alcohol. * Exposure can cause irritation of the eyes, nose, mouth, and throat. * Overexposure may cause headaches, drowsiness, clumsiness, unconsciousness, and death. * Contact may irritate the skin. Repeated skin exposure can cause itching, a rash, and drying and cracking. * Isopropyl Alcohol is a FLAMMABLE LIQUID and a FIRE HAZARD.
IDENTIFICATION Isopropyl Alcohol is a colorless liquid. Rubbing alcohol is a solution of Isopropyl Alcohol. It is used as a solvent and in making many commercial products.
REASON FOR CITATION * Isopropyl Alcohol is on the Hazardous Substance List because it is regulated by OSHA and cited by ACGIH, DOT, NFPA and EPA. * This chemical is on the Special Health Hazard Substance List because it is FLAMMABLE. * Definitions are attached.
HOW TO DETERMINE IF YOU ARE BEING EXPOSED * Exposure to hazardous substances should be routinely evaluated. This may include collecting air samples. Under OSHA 1910.20, you have a legal right to obtain copies of sampling results from your employer. If you think you are experiencing any work related health problems, see a doctor trained to recognize occupational diseases. Take this Fact Sheet with you. * ODOR THRESHOLD = 22 ppm. * The odor threshold only serves as a warning of exposure. Not smelling it does not mean you are not being exposed.
WORKPLACE EXPOSURE LIMITS OSHA: The legal airborne permissible exposure limit (PEL) is 400 ppm averaged over an 8 hour workshift. NIOSH: The recommended airborne exposure limit is 400 ppm averaged over a 10 hour workshift and 800 ppm, not to be exceeded during any 15 minute work period. ACGIH: The recommended airborne exposure limit is 400 ppm averaged over an 8 hour workshift and 500 ppm as a STEL (short term exposure limit).
* The above exposure limits are for air levels only. When skin contact also occurs, you may be overexposed, even though air levels are less than the limits listed above.
WAYS OF REDUCING EXPOSURE * Where possible, enclose operations and use local exhaust ventilation at the site of chemical release. If local exhaust ventilation or enclosure is not used, respirators should be worn. * Wear protective work clothing. * Wash thoroughly immediately after exposure to Isopropyl Alcohol and at the end of the workshift. * Post hazard and warning information in the work area. In addition, as part of an ongoing education and training effort, communicate all information on the health and safety hazards of Isopropyl Alcohol to potentially exposed workers.
This Fact Sheet is a summary source of information of all potential and most severe health hazards that may result from exposure. Duration of exposure, concentration of the substance and other factors will affect your susceptibility to any of the potential effects described below. ------------------------------------------
HEALTH HAZARD INFORMATION
Acute Health Effects The following acute (short term) health effects may occur immediately or shortly after exposure to Isopropyl Alcohol:
* It may irritate the skin, causing a rash or burning feeling on contact. * Exposure can irritate the eyes, nose, and throat. * Overexposure to the vapor may cause headaches, drowsiness, a loss of coordination, collapse, and death.
Chronic Health Effects The following chronic (long term) health effects can occur at some time after exposure to Isopropyl Alcohol and can last for months or years:
Cancer Hazard * There is an increased incidence of nasal sinus cancer in workers involved in the manufacture of Isopropyl Alcohol by the strong acid process. There is no evidence that Isopropyl Alcohol is a carcinogen.
Reproductive Hazard * According to the information presently available to the New Jersey Department of Health, Isopropyl Alcohol has not been tested for its ability to adversely affect reproduction.
Other Long Term Effects * Skin exposure can cause itching, redness, and rashes in some people. Repeated or prolonged exposure can cause dryness and cracking of skin. * This chemical has not been adequately evaluated to determine whether brain or other nerve damage could occur with repeated exposure. However, many solvents and other petroleum based chemicals have been shown to cause such damage. Effects may include reduced memory and concentration, personality changes (withdrawal, irritability), fatigue, sleep disturbances, reduced coordination, and/or effects on nerves supplying internal organs (autonomic nerves) and/or nerves to the arms and legs (weakness, "pins and needles").
MEDICAL TESTING
* There is no special test for this chemical. However, if illness occurs or overexposure is suspected, medical attention is recommended. * Interview for brain effects, including recent memory, mood (irritability, withdrawal), concentration, headaches, malaise and altered sleep patterns. Consider cerebellar, autonomic and peripheral nervous system evaluation. Positive and borderline individuals should be referred for neuropsychological testing.
Any evaluation should include a careful history of past and present symptoms with an exam. Medical tests that look for damage already done are not a substitute for controlling exposure.
Request copies of your medical testing. You have a legal right to this information under OSHA 1910.20.
WORKPLACE CONTROLS AND PRACTICES
Unless a less toxic chemical can be substituted for a hazardous substance, ENGINEERING CONTROLS are the most effective way of reducing exposure. The best protection is to enclose operations and/or provide local exhaust ventilation at the site of chemical release. Isolating operations can also reduce exposure. Using respirators or protective equipment is less effective than the controls mentioned above, but is sometimes necessary.
In evaluating the controls present in your workplace, consider: (1) how hazardous the substance is, (2) how much of the substance is released into the workplace and (3) whether harmful skin or eye contact could occur. Special controls should be in place for highly toxic chemicals or when significant skin, eye, or breathing exposures are possible.
In addition, the following controls are recommended:
* Where possible, automatically pump liquid Isopropyl Alcohol from drums or other storage containers to process containers. * Specific engineering controls are recommended for this chemical by NIOSH. Refer to the NIOSH criteria document: Isopropyl Alcohol #76 142.
Good WORK PRACTICES can help to reduce hazardous exposures. The following work practices are recommended:
* Workers whose clothing has been contaminated by Isopropyl Alcohol should change into clean clothing promptly. * Contaminated work clothes should be laundered by individuals who have been informed of the hazards of exposure to Isopropyl Alcohol. * On skin contact with Isopropyl Alcohol, immediately wash or shower to remove the chemical. At the end of the workshift, wash any areas of the body that may have contacted Isopropyl Alcohol, whether or not known skin contact has occurred. * Do not eat, smoke, or drink where Isopropyl Alcohol is handled, processed, or stored, since the chemical can be swallowed. Wash hands carefully before eating or smoking.
PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT
WORKPLACE CONTROLS ARE BETTER THAN PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT. However, for some jobs (such as outside work, confined space entry, jobs done only once in a while, or jobs done while workplace controls are being installed), personal protective equipment may be appropriate.
The following recommendations are only guidelines and may not apply to every situation.
Clothing * Avoid skin contact with Isopropyl Alcohol. Wear solvent resistant gloves and clothing. Safety equipment suppliers/ manufacturers can provide recommendations on the most protective glove/ clothing material for your operation. * All protective clothing (suits, gloves, footwear, headgear) should be clean, available each day, and put on before work. * ACGIH recommends natural rubber, neoprene, nitrile, or polyvinyl chloride protective material.
Eye Protection * Wear splash proof chemical goggles and face shield when working with liquid, unless full facepiece respiratory protection is worn.
Respiratory Protection IMPROPER USE OF RESPIRATORS IS DANGEROUS. Such equipment should only be used if the employer has a written program that takes into account workplace conditions, requirements for worker training, respirator fit testing and medical exams, as described in OSHA 1910.134.
* Where the potential exists for exposures near or over 400 ppm, use a MSHA/ NIOSH approved respirator with an organic vapor cartridge/canister. More protection is provided by a full facepiece respirator than by a half mask respirator, and even greater protection is provided by a powered air purifying respirator. * If while wearing a filter, cartridge or canister respirator, you can smell, taste, or otherwise detect Isopropyl Alcohol, or in the case of a full face piece respirator you experience eye irritation, leave the area immediately. Check to make sure the respirator to face seal is still good. If it is, replace the filter, cartridge, or canister. If the seal is no longer good, you may need a new respirator. * Be sure to consider all potential exposures in your workplace. You may need a combination of filters, prefilters, cartridges, or canisters to protect against different forms of a chemical (such as vapor and mist) or against a mixture of chemicals. * Where the potential for higher exposures exists, use a MSHA/NIOSH approved supplied air respirator with a full facepiece operated in the positive pressure mode or with a full facepiece, hood, or helmet in the continuous flow mode, or use a MSHA/NIOSH approved self contained breathing apparatus with a full facepiece operated in pressure demand or other positive pressure mode. * Exposure to 20,000 ppm is immediately dangerous to life and health. If the possibility of exposures above 20,000 ppm exists, use a MSHA/NIOSH approved self contained breathing apparatus with a full facepiece operated in continuous flow or other positive pressure mode.
HANDLING AND STORAGE
* Prior to working with Isopropyl Alcohol you should be trained on its proper handling and storage. * Isopropyl Alcohol must be stored to avoid contact with STRONG OXIDIZERS (such as CHLORINE, BROMINE, and FLUORINE) since violent reactions occur. * Store in tightly closed containers in a cool, well ventilated area away from HEAT. * Sources of ignition, such as smoking and open flames, are prohibited where Isopropyl Alcohol is used, handled, or stored in a manner that could create a potential fire or explosion hazard. * Metal containers involving the transfer of 5 gallons or more of Isopropyl Alcohol should be grounded and bonded. Drums must be equipped with self closing valves, pressure vacuum bungs, and flame arresters. * Use only non sparking tools and equipment, especially when opening and closing containers of Isopropyl Alcohol.
Common Name: Isopropyl Alcohol DOT Number: UN 1219 DOT Emergency Guide code: 26 CAS Number: 67-63-0 ---------------------------------------- Hazard rating NJ DOH NFPA FLAMMABILITY - 3 REACTIVITY - 0 ---------------------------------------- POISONOUS GASES ARE PRODUCED IN FIRE CONTAINERS MAY EXPLODE IN FIRE ---------------------------------------- Hazard Rating Key: 0=minimal; 1=slight; 2=moderate; 3=serious; 4=severe
FIRE HAZARDS * Isopropyl Alcohol is a FLAMMABLE LIQUID. * Vapors may travel to a source of ignition and flash back. * CONTAINERS MAY EXPLODE IN FIRE. * Use dry chemical, CO2, water spray, or alcohol foam extinguishers. * POISONOUS GASES ARE PRODUCED IN FIRE. * If employees are expected to fight fires, they must be trained and equipped as stated in OSHA 1910.156.
SPILLS AND EMERGENCIES If Isopropyl Alcohol is spilled or leaked, take the following steps:
* Restrict persons not wearing protective equipment from area of spill or leak until cleanup is complete. * Remove all ignition sources. * Ventilate area of spill or leak. * Absorb liquids in vermiculite, dry sand, earth, or a similar material and deposit in sealed containers. * Keep Isopropyl Alcohol out of a confined space, such as a sewer, because of the possibility of an explosion, unless the sewer is designed to prevent the buildup of explosive concentrations. * It may be necessary to contain and dispose of Isopropyl Alcohol as a HAZARDOUS WASTE. Contact your Department of Environmental Protection (DEP) or your regional office of the federal Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for specific recommendations.
=====================================FOR LARGE SPILLS AND FIRES immediately call your fire department. ====================================FIRST AID
POISON INFORMATION
Eye Contact * Immediately flush with large amounts of water for at least 15 minutes, occasionally lifting upper and lower lids.
Skin Contact * Quickly remove contaminated clothing. Immediately wash contaminated skin with large amounts of water.
Breathing * Remove the person from exposure. * Begin rescue breathing if breathing has stopped and CPR if heart action has stopped. * Transfer promptly to a medical facility.
PHYSICAL DATA
Vapor Pressure: 33 mm Hg at 68oF (20oC) Flash Point: 53oF (11.6oC) Water Solubility: Miscible
OTHER COMMONLY USED NAMES
Chemical Name: 2-Propanol
Other Names and Formulations: Rubbing Alcohol; Dimethylcarbinol; Isopro panol; sec-Propyl Alcohol. ------------------------------------------ Not intended to be copied and sold for commercial purposes. ------------------------------------------ NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH Right to Know Program CN 368, Trenton, NJ 08625 0368 ------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------
ECOLOGICAL INFORMATION
Isopropyl alcohol is a clear, flammable liquid with numerous uses. It is used in antifreeze; as a solvent for gums, shellac and essential oils; in quick-drying inks and oils; in cosmetics such as body rubs, hand lotions and after-shave lotions; and to make other chemicals. It may enter the environment from industrial discharges, municipal waste water treatment discharges, or spills.
ACUTE (SHORT-TERM) ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS
Acute toxic effects may include the death of animals, birds, or fish, and death or low growth rate in plants. Acute effects are seen two to four days after animals or plants come in contact with a toxic chemical substance.
Isopropyl alcohol has slight toxicity to aquatic life. Insufficient data are available to evaluate or predict the short- term effects of isopropyl alcohol to plants, birds, or land animals.
CHRONIC (LONG-TERM) ECOLOGICAL EFFECTS
Chronic toxic effects may include shortened lifespan, reproductive problems, lower fertility, and changes in appearance or behavior. Chronic effects can be seen long after first exposure(s) to a toxic chemical.
Isopropyl alcohol has slight chronic toxicity to aquatic organisms. Insufficient data are available to evaluate or predict the long- term effects of isopropyl alcohol to plants, birds, or land animals.
WATER SOLUBILITY
Isopropyl alcohol is highly soluble in water. Concentrations of 1,000 milligrams and more will mix with a liter of water.
DISTRIBUTION AND PERSISTENCE IN THE ENVIRONMENT
Isopropyl alcohol is slightly persistent in water, with a half-life of between 2 to 20 days. The half-life of a pollutant is the amount of time it takes for one-half of the chemical to be degraded. About 77.5% of isopropyl alchohol will eventually end up in water; the rest will end up in the air.
BIOACCUMULATION IN AQUATIC ORGANISMS
Some substances increase in concentration, or bioaccumulate, in living oranisms as they breathe contaminated air, drink contaminated water, or eat contaminated food. These chemicals can become concentrated in the tissues and internal organs of animals and humans.
The concentration of isopropyl alcohol found in fish tissues is expected to be about the same as the average concentration of isopropyl alcohol in the water from which the fish was taken.
SUPPORT DOCUMENT: AQUIRE Database, ERL-Duluth, U.S. EPA, Phytotox.
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Isopropyl Alcohol
Isopropyl alcohol ingestion is common among children and adults as both accidental and suicidal ingestions because it is an easily available product. It is best known as the main ingredient in rubbing alcohol, but is also present in window cleaners, toiletries, disinfectants, antifreeze, and paint remover. To complicate matters some products that contain isopropyl alcohol also contain methanol, ethanol, or ethylene glycol.
Pharmacology: Isopropyl alcohol is a clear, colorless liquid with a somewhat bitter taste and a smell of acetone. Unless the ingested dose is large, absorption occurs in as little as 30 minutes. This agent is well absorbed through the lungs and rectal mucosa. The alcohol can also penetrate the skin, but with less success than via a pulmonary or GI exposure. Isopropyl alcohol is metabolized to acetone in the liver by alcohol dehydrogenase. Eighty percent of the absorbed dose is then excreted by the kidneys as acetone with 20% being excreted unchanged. The acetone is also excreted in the lungs, saliva, and gastric juices.
Animal studies have suggested that isopropyl alcohol is two-three times more potent than ethanol as a CNS depressant. The breakdown product, acetone, is also a CNS depressant.
Clinical Presentation: The symptoms of ingestion occur within 30 minutes, with GI complaints of pain, vomiting, and hematemesis being predominant. Central nervous system effects include headache, muscular incoordination, ataxia, confusion, and coma. The initial excitatory phase that is well recognized with ethanol intoxication does not seem to be present with isopropanol ingestion. Pupil size may vary, but it is not uncommon to have miotic pupils. Should the eyes have direct exposure to isopropyl alcohol corneal de-epithelialization has been reported. The patient may have a distinct odor of acetone. With very large doses cardiovascular effects include myocardial depression and severe hypotension. Less common presentations include renal tubular necrosis, hemolytic anemia, acute myopathy, and hypothermia.
Diagnosis: The patient presenting in coma who has a suspected exposure to some type of alcohol, the diagnosis can be challenging. The patient will be unresponsive to narcan and glucose, and usually entities such as DKA, hepatic coma (in an older patient), carbon monoxide, trauma, etc. can usually be quickly ruled out by a careful exam and a few simple tests. Once the diagnosis of a toxic alcohol (or a toxic amount of a usually nontoxic alcohol) is suspected the difficulty comes in making the diagnosis. The onset of the central nervous system effects of all the alcohols is rapid. The more severe consequences of ethylene glycol and methanol (the blindness, renal failure, and severe metabolic acidosis may be slightly delayed. All of the major alcohols have a distinct odor except ethylene glycol. In the case of isopropyl alcohol the odor is a sweet ketotic scent due to the release of acetone in the breath. Isopropyl alcohol tends to produce only a mild elevation of the anion gap and only a mild acidosis if any. It is alsounique in producing a very large amount of ketones (the acetone that is being excreted from the kidneys) in the urine.
Serum osmolality may be greater than calculated with all four alcohols, thus isopropanol is similar to ethanol in that it produces little to no anion gap metabolic acidosis (unless the patient has other problems such as hypotension, hypoxia, etc.), but does have an elevated osmolol gap. Isopropyl alcohol also tends to have significant hypoglycemia.
Treatment: The treatment of isopropyl alcohol exposure is recognition and support of the complications. If exposure was through the skin then decontamination is appropriate while trying to maintain body temperature. If the exposure was respiratory the patient should be removed from the environment. Hemorrhagic trachoebronchitis is a complication of inhaled isopropanol. If the exposure was a large, recent dose of isopropanol, gastric lavage and charcoal may be appropriate. Isopropanol does undergo gastric re-excretion and continuous gastric emptying has been recommended, but this is usually not required. Should the patient be stable after the initial evaluation it is reasonable to observe the patient and use simple supportive measures until the patient recovers. Suspicion should always be present about other ingestions and the labs previously discussed should be ordered.
Isopropanol is an ideal substance for dialysis because of its low molecular weight, low volume of distribution, and low protein plasma binding. The question then, is who requires dialysis? Those patients with isopropyl levels above 400-500 mg/dl are usually the ones that have significant hypotension and coma. Thus, patients with coma and hypotension with or without a level of 400-500 mg/dl should probably receive hemodialysis.
Pediatric Considerations: Young children may accidentally ingest isopropyl alcohol just as they can with any other available substance. However, children may develop a serious intoxication following topical application of isopropyl alcohol for the relief of fever. This exposure may actually be more of an inhalation injury than a dermal exposure, but the end result in the same. Isopropyl alcohol can come in concentrations of 70%. At this concentration as little as 2-2.5 ml/kg may lead to toxicity. The children may present with altered mental status or coma. The key to diagnosis is the same as with adults. The child should have acetonuria, coma, little to no acidosis and anion gap, with a wide osmolol gap. Treatment is the same as for adults. http://www.embbs.com/cr/alc/alc5.html
M.L.S. - 13 Dec 2004 03:03 GMT <extensive snip>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lidocaine >http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/ayp/questions.asp?label=1534 >http://paranoia.lycaeum.org/alcohol/Isopropyl-Alcohol >http://www.embbs.com/cr/alc/alc5.html Well, that's about 75% of the superfluous end of things, and we should praise the Big All Knowing for endowing us with that much, but it still doesn't answer the queries... Which ingredient is not s'posed to get jammed into the raw hamburger? And why is alcohol allegedly better?
Back to the books, Perlie. I'll check in Friday and see how it's going, k?
Mike
beatadje@email.com - 16 Dec 2004 07:56 GMT > <extensive snip> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mike Mike, I did not look further into these things; it is pointless to so; I'd rather learn other stuff also regarding herpes simplex. I am not at all worried about the interactions between the mentioned compounds; they've been tested. When using I would use one at a time so there is no possibility for those ingredients to interact with each other. If you have any doubts go ahead and do the research yourself but I can assure you it is pretty much a waste of time; I did not find any neutral sites mentioning anything about the products. Companies that sells the products would deny any bad things about them and the competitors will make stuff up even if it's untruth.
For what I've read, using the above product "Bactine" made by Bayer Corp ( the same that makes Aspirin, I reckon) should be the best product on the market today concerning getting rid of asymptomatic shedding and also minimizing the duration in time of an OB. The compound, namely Benzalkonium Chloride seems to penetrate the skin/mucosa and destroy the lipid coat of viruses.
That is a huge step in trying to make herpes virus history for our bodies. This spray "Bactine" seems very effective and it's much better than a viroxin's lip balm or any other kind of product containing B.C. in my opinion.
I am looking further trying to understand if possible, whether the viral DNA that is shared with the neuron does "command" the neuronal behaviour.
Can be possible that the neuron would try to "satisfy" those viral traces' needs, (as being intrinsecally part of itself?). For example, what hormonal state in the body can determine the neuron to act as a stimulus of the viruses? If there is an imbalance in the hormonal state at the neuronal level, that particular state seems, eventually to be getting to an equilibrum as long as the viruses(thus the neuron) would be feed with the required substance? (maybe some sort of a sensorial electro-chemical imbalance at the neural level?)
Permeability of the intestine may be at the origin of such a hormonal imbalance. The liver can have its own role in here. It should be possible to cure the problem by ingesting some digestive enzymes of some liver helpers such as Milk Thistle herb capsules. I have to look into this things.
It sounds pretty intriguing and it's worth having a look upon these issues.
Perl von Molson
beatadje@email.com - 12 Dec 2004 18:44 GMT > Uh, Perl, from www.bactine.com: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > * do not apply over large areas of the body or in large quantities > * do not apply over raw surfaces or blistered areas Tnx. for the tip
Perl von Molson
> <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Perl von Molson beatadje@email.com - 12 Dec 2004 18:47 GMT > Uh, Perl, from www.bactine.com: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > * do not apply over large areas of the body or in large quantities > * do not apply over raw surfaces or blistered areas Tnx. for the tip
Perl von Molson
> <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Perl von Molson M.L.S. - 12 Dec 2004 16:19 GMT >Wow, you've made a long story, short. I'm impressed.
>Speaking of that sfuff you've just mentioned, I've purchased today >my spray "Bactine" along with a bottle of Witch Hazel Aqueous >Distillate >85% with ethyl alcohol, just to enrich my arsenal for That doesn't sound like the Witch Hazel I know. Whatever you're buying, Perlie, you're getting mostly alcohol and not much witch hazel.
>any surprises that may come along. >It's really worth spending a few bucks on stuff that can >along with all the other stuff, secure 100% from any herpes activity.
>Witch Hazel its supposed to be, in ethyl alcohol, along with Melissa >(Lemon Balm, also in 85% ethyl alcohol) one of the best herpes >treatments known. Have you tried Absolut Peppar? It's not quite so high in alcohol but goes nicely with tomato juice and a stick of celery.
>I am not sure about the adaptability of the herpes simplex virus in >such >environment but definitelly a larger variety of antivirals means a >greater >attack on the viruses on almost all levels. Your "adaptability" is just plain "nuts". It shows your abject lack of understanding with respect to the virus.
>Just a reminder, Benzalkonium Chloride, compound found in Bactine >and other products, it is one of the most effective antivirals >available and on of the few substances that penetrates several layers >of >the skin/mucosa destroing the viruses (there is an articol I've posted >awhile ago regarding this). You may want to be careful before you apply that stuff to your mucosa, Perlie.
Mike
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