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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / December 2004Gluten
Is there a relationship between herpes and gluten intolerance? If so, is there possible to cure that problem and be able to eat gluten containing foods? Perl von Molson http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/foods_view/1,1523,81,00.html >Is there a relationship between herpes and gluten intolerance? No. >If so, is there possible to cure that problem >and be able to eat gluten containing foods? No. Mike >Perl von Molson >http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/foods_view/1,1523,81,00.html > >Is there a relationship between herpes and gluten intolerance? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mike Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be easier for everyone to...read Perl von Molson > >Perl von Molson > > >http://www.wholehealthmd.com/refshelf/foods_view/1,1523,81,00.html > > >Is there a relationship between herpes and gluten intolerance? > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Perl von Molson Mike says "no" even when he doesn't know. I read one of his posts where he flatly denies any connection between yeast infections and herpes outbreaks. After a lot of women corrected him he admitted that, being a man, he didn't know anything about yeast infections. He apparently didn't even know that men can get yeast infections also. Chances are that he doesn't know gluten from Crazy glue so if he's right it's just a lucky guess. > > > >Is there a relationship between herpes and gluten intolerance? > > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Mike says "no" even when he doesn't know. yeah, tell me about it! ;O) I read one of his posts > where he flatly denies any connection between yeast infections and > herpes outbreaks. After a lot of women corrected him he admitted > that, being a man, he didn't know anything about yeast infections. He > apparently didn't even know that men can get yeast infections also. I don't know if I can make a direct association, but check this out: an article about High Yield Protein Production from Pichia pastoris Yeast: http://www.nbsc.com/papers/ABL_pichia.htm and more exact: High level expression and secretion of truncated forms of herpes simplex virus type 1 and type 2 glycoprotein D by the methylotrophic yeast Pichia pastoris. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 2182819&dopt=Abstract > Chances are that he doesn't know gluten from Crazy glue so if he's > right it's just a lucky guess. >I read one of his posts >> where he flatly denies any connection between yeast infections and >> herpes outbreaks. After a lot of women corrected him he admitted >> that, being a man, he didn't know anything about yeast infections. >He >> apparently didn't even know that men can get yeast infections also. >I don't know if I can make a direct association, but >check this out: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >simplex virus type 1 and type 2 glycoprotein D by the methylotrophic >yeast Pichia pastoris. >http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1 2182819&dopt=Abstract Well, Perlie, you managed to find a couple articles with both the words "herpes" and "yeast" in them, but, as we've come to so readily expect from you, they have nothing to do with the subject at hand. That scientists are *genetically modifying* certain strains of yeast to act as little protein-factories in the production of substances that might be useful in fighting against any number of diseases is not evidence of a relationship between HSV and yeast per se. Though, no doubt li'l Drew will soon pipe up and say that because we don't know it must be true. Or maybe he'll just make something up. Mike scientists genetically modify certain strains of MANY ORANISMS to act as little protein-factories in the production of MANY substances..... every day. that hsv glycopropoteins can PARTIALLY be made this way- so what??? yet another useless non-point brought to you by Perl von Molson. >scientists genetically modify certain strains of MANY ORANISMS to act as >little protein-factories in the production of MANY substances..... every >day. >that hsv glycopropoteins can PARTIALLY be made this way- so what??? >yet another useless non-point brought to you by Perl von Molson. I'm finding a couple of things interesting in all this. A. For someone who claims to hold such little regard for the established scientific community and their achievements, Perlie sure does cite a lot of their work. B. For a scientific and medical community that allegedly doesn't care much about herpes because there is (again allegedly) no profit in curing the disease, there sure do seem to be a lot of papers being written on one or another aspect of the virus. And with all that said, I just gotta go out and sample this great sunshine. Take care, Mike > >scientists genetically modify certain strains of MANY ORANISMS to act as > >little protein-factories in the production of MANY substances..... every [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Mike Mikey, you are a philosopher. Perl von Molson >Mikey, you are a philosopher. That's what I wanted to be when I grew up. Instead I became an amateur carpenter. What did you want to be, Perlie? Mike > >Mikey, you are a philosopher. > > That's what I wanted to be when I grew up. > > Instead I became an amateur carpenter. Good for you, Mike; glad to hear this. > What did you want to be, Perlie? I can't remember this thing. Perl von Molson > Mike >> >Mikey, you are a philosopher. >> That's what I wanted to be when I grew up. >> Instead I became an amateur carpenter. >Good for you, Mike; glad to hear this. >> What did you want to be, Perlie? >I can't remember this thing. I guess you got your wish. Mike > >> >Mikey, you are a philosopher. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Mike Yes, but you've got a Greater wish than myself! C'mon now, you wanted to be an amateur carpenter like our Lord Jesus Christ? Perl von Molson >> >> >Mikey, you are a philosopher. >> >> That's what I wanted to be when I grew up. >> >> Instead I became an amateur carpenter. >> >Good for you, Mike; glad to hear this. >> >> What did you want to be, Perlie? >> >I can't remember this thing. >> I guess you got your wish. >Yes, but you've got a Greater wish than myself! >C'mon now, you wanted to be an amateur carpenter like our Lord Jesus >Christ? I dunno, and I would have thought ol' JC was a professional, not an amateur. I just can't imagine him having as hard a time sawing a straight line as I do, but I bet he would have loved the new laser tape measures. Mike The only connection that I know of pertaining to Yeast Infections and Herpes Simplex Virus is that many people make the mistake of assuming that the symptoms they are having are Yeast when in reality what they are experiencing is a Herpes Outbreak. On the other hand it's not uncommon for women to experience a Yeast Infection in Addition to their Primary Outbreak. In all the years I've been posting and reading about Herpes Simplex Virus I have never read anything that says Yeast Infection directly cause Herpes Outbreaks or vice versa. In fact, I have never had a Yeast Infection as a result of a Herpes Outbreak. Angela :-) www.yoshi2me.com >> beatadje@email.com wrote in message > news:<1101493749.446810.198980@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> Chances are that he doesn't know gluten from Crazy glue so if he's >> right it's just a lucky guess. >> > >Is there a relationship between herpes and gluten intolerance? >> > No. >> > >If so, is there possible to cure that problem >> > >and be able to eat gluten containing foods? >> > No. >> > Mike >> Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be easier >> for everyone to...read >> Perl von Molson >Mike says "no" even when he doesn't know. I read one of his posts >where he flatly denies any connection between yeast infections and >herpes outbreaks. Hmmm, lesseee... what's up, Drew? Last week you were just a twit with a failing grade in logic, but this week you're a full-blown liar and troll. Was it a long and tortuous journey for you? Or as simple as falling off a stump? We may never know. The following, I take it, is the post to which you refer... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- http://babyurl.com/ehrcKS On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 22:23:56 GMT, DATS <airport-transfer@excite.com> posted: >Can on line to research a question about herpes and fungal >hosts. One product (Everclear) claims that the herpes virus [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >outbreak. Anyone heard of this product of the relationship >between viruses and fungi? There is NO fungal host for herpes. The website in question, last time I checked, does not name the fungus, nor does it do more than pay lip service to an unnamed study. Most likely there is no such study. Yeast infections are yeast infections, and herpes outbreaks are herpes outbreaks. For some, some of the symptoms are similar or can be confused but the two are entirely separate and different. Based only on the nuttiness of their website I'd have to guess that Everclear is worthless. It doesn't hurt to ask though. Especially before you buy. Take care and come back and see us often. Mike =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Careful readers may note that I was speaking to claims about "fungal host[s]" for herpes as put forth by the notorious scammers at Everclear. Drew's characterization of my words is not only a bit hyperbolic (and somewhere to the south of supportive :-( ) but it actually makes the hop skip and jump across the wide gulf between honesty and dishonesty. There is a name for people who so obviously speak untruths. Dare I speak the name... ? >After a lot of women You mean TBethEve? One woman is "a lot of women"? From the link above, Drew, everyone can click on the "View: Complete Thread" link and see exactly who responded to my post and what they said. But please, Drew, for the record, for those who may not want to click on the link and check it out for themselves, list the entire "lot of women" who "corrected" me... You can list them right here: > corrected him TBethEve "corrected" me, by saying, "Very true Mike, but as most of us women know, a yeast infection can and often times does trigger a herpes outbreak." I dunno, Drew, but it looks to me like the SINGLE individual who commented on *my* comments AGREED with my main point respecting Everclear's claims about fungal hosts for the herpes virus, but then augmented the discussion by pointing out that there can be OTHER associations between such things as yeast infections and HSV outbreaks. Yet, even armed with that great and OBVIOUS information, I stand behind my original thrust: the HSV morphological model has nothing to do with fungal hosts or yeast beyond the association that HSV has with ANY STRESS to the physical system. Got that, Drew? > he admitted >that, being a man, he didn't know anything about yeast infections. There ya go again. I said, "I guess I don't have that much experience with yeast infections." No mention of "being a man". Nor did I say that I "didn't know anything". So, Drew, you either might want to take your panties off and untwist them, or go and sign up for that remedial reading course (and while you're at it look into classes on ethics or morality or logic, or all three.) >He apparently didn't even know that men can get yeast infections also. "[A]pparently"? You mean you don't know? But you still feel compelled to shoot your stupid, lying mouth off anyway? >Chances are that he doesn't know gluten from Crazy glue so if he's >right it's just a lucky guess. Piss off, Drew. And I mean that in the worst way possible. Ta ta, Mike > >> Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be easier > >> for everyone to...read [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > liar and troll. Was it a long and tortuous journey for you? Or as > simple as falling off a stump? We may never know. These are your words, Mike: > Yeast infections are yeast infections, and herpes outbreaks are > herpes outbreaks. For some, some of the symptoms are similar or can > be confused but the two are entirely separate and different. Many people get herpes outbreaks simultaneously with a yeast infection every time. Try telling these sufferers that the two conditions are entirely separate and different. They are not. You are obviously a very angry man, Mike. It's OK to say "I don't know" sometimes. > > >> Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be easier > > >> for everyone to...read [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > You are obviously a very angry man, Mike. Did you tried Lithium? I've heared it helps... It's OK to say "I don't > know" sometimes. >> M.L.S. <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message >news:<irb6r0dvppdvof46mprkppcju8n5kpgbrh@4ax.com>... >> > >> Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be >easier >> > >> for everyone to...read >> > >> Perl von Molson >> > >Mike says "no" even when he doesn't know. I read one of his posts >> > >where he flatly denies any connection between yeast infections and >> > >herpes outbreaks. >> > Hmmm, lesseee... what's up, Drew? Last week you were just a twit >> > with a failing grade in logic, but this week you're a full-blown >> > liar and troll. Was it a long and tortuous journey for you? Or as >> > simple as falling off a stump? We may never know. >> These are your words, Mike: >> > Yeast infections are yeast infections, and herpes outbreaks are >> > herpes outbreaks. For some, some of the symptoms are similar or >can >> > be confused but the two are entirely separate and different. >> Many people get herpes outbreaks simultaneously with a yeast >infection >> every time. Try telling these sufferers that the two conditions are >> entirely separate and different. They are not. >> You are obviously a very angry man, Mike. >Did you tried Lithium? I've heared it helps... What would you prescribe, Perlie, for Drew's tenuous hold on reality? Mike >> >> Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be easier >> >> for everyone to...read >> >> Perl von Molson >> >Mike says "no" even when he doesn't know. I read one of his posts >> >where he flatly denies any connection between yeast infections and >> >herpes outbreaks. >> Hmmm, lesseee... what's up, Drew? Last week you were just a twit >> with a failing grade in logic, but this week you're a full-blown >> liar and troll. Was it a long and tortuous journey for you? Or as >> simple as falling off a stump? We may never know. >These are your words, Mike: These are my words taken out of context, Drew. As you should well know, the subject of the post (which you have conveniently snipped, but which can still be referenced in yesterdays post) to which the words applied were the spurious claims by a website that preys on unsuspecting herpes sufferers that there is a "fungal host" for the herpes virus. There is NO fungal host involved in the herpes 'life' cycle. There is no symbiotic relationship between the HSV virus and whatever yeasts cause yeast infections. >> Yeast infections are yeast infections, and herpes outbreaks are >> herpes outbreaks. For some, some of the symptoms are similar or can >> be confused but the two are entirely separate and different. >Many people get herpes outbreaks simultaneously with a yeast infection >every time. Try telling these sufferers that the two conditions are >entirely separate and different. They are not. Strictly speaking, Drew, the two conditions are separate and different. The question of whether one can percipitate the other was not the subject of the original post, nor was it the subject of my own post, in response. Had the question been whether yeast infections can be triggers for herpetic episodes, the answer would have obviously been, "Yes," because ANYTHING can be a trigger for a herpetic episode. And if the person had asked what one might use to treat Yeast Infections (which the person did NOT ask) the further obvious answer would be: NOT Evrclear, but some major brand yeast-infection-specific medicine. So, again, you are *inventing* a context for my words, Drew, which, in some circles, is known as LYING. The fact that you had to snip the full context of the post I supplied yesterday speaks to that. The further fact that you failed to respond to the *other* lies I pointed out yesterday is also significant. I think you have a little trouble with reality, Drew. >You are obviously a very angry man, Mike. People who can't read and who LIE about me piss me off, Drew. If you had any BALLS you'd be angry at your own stupidity for getting caught in a SERIES of LIES, but you're just going to sneak around on your slimey belly trying to ignore that part of it. Ain'tcha? >It's OK to say "I don't know" sometimes. It's OK to say you LIED, Drew, which is what you did yesterday and what you are continuing to do today. Maybe you'll "feel" better if you massage your slippery notions of reality around by apologizing for all the mistatements you made about me. How about it, Drew? Mike You are an insecure little man, Michael. You can dish it out but you can't take it. Just as I suspected. >You are an insecure little man, Michael. You can dish it out but you >can't take it. Just as I suspected. Good grief. Yesterday I was "angry" and "Mike. Today I'm "insecure" and "Michael". Tomorrow will I be "late for dinner" and "Sweetie Pie"? Mike >> >> Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be easier >> >> for everyone to...read >> >> Perl von Molson >> >Mike says "no" even when he doesn't know. I read one of his posts >> >where he flatly denies any connection between yeast infections and >> >herpes outbreaks. >> Hmmm, lesseee... what's up, Drew? Last week you were just a twit >> with a failing grade in logic, but this week you're a full-blown >> liar and troll. Was it a long and tortuous journey for you? Or as >> simple as falling off a stump? We may never know. >These are your words, Mike: >> Yeast infections are yeast infections, and herpes outbreaks are >> herpes outbreaks. For some, some of the symptoms are similar or can >> be confused but the two are entirely separate and different. >Many people get herpes outbreaks simultaneously with a yeast infection >every time. Try telling these sufferers that the two conditions are >entirely separate and different. They are not. >You are obviously a very angry man, Mike. It's OK to say "I don't >know" sometimes. Here is Guyonphone's responding to the same post about Everclear to which I also responded, four years ago. Note that Guy is ALSO talking about the claims made by the scumbags at Everclear and not about any strictly causal relationship between herpes and yeast: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Message-ID: <20000916192134.02117.00000861@nso-fy.aol.com>#1/1 Yeah, it's all BS. It's a known fact that herpes hybernates in the nerve ganglia and there's virtually no way to get at it to destroy it there. Occasionally, the herpes located in the ganglia will replicate and travel along a nerve that reaches the surface and viola... outbreak city. Since the area IS prone to fungus (dark, moist, etc) type stuff, this yahoo (no, not the search engine, the yo-yo with this "research" finding) invents this lame theory so they can say they can kill the virus. Total hogwash! Simply an attempt to separate you, and as many others as will bite on this story, from your money. I'd bet the only "research" they've ever done is to run the population numbers through probability charts to figure out how many suckers they could get to spend their hard earned money on this "quack cure". Don't fall for it. Hang in there -G P.S. Pretty soon, I'm gonna decide on a firm stance on this one. ::grin:: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike Drew - I hate to break it to you but Yeast Infections and Herpes Simplex Virus are two completely separate things. lol The only correlation between the two is that they can happen at the same time OR that people mistake their Herpes Outbreak for a Yeast Infection. No matter how you twist it Drew.. they are two separate problems. Angela :-) www.yoshi2me.com >> >> Mike, why don't you sign your posts with "No", it would be easier >> >> for everyone to...read [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > You are obviously a very angry man, Mike. It's OK to say "I don't > know" sometimes. Perl would like Mike to sign his posts with the word *No* because Mike tells him what he doesn't want to hear. That's pretty much all there is to it.. Merry CHRISTmas!! Angela :-) >> > >Is there a relationship between herpes and gluten intolerance? >> > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Chances are that he doesn't know gluten from Crazy glue so if he's > right it's just a lucky guess. |
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