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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / November 2004Lemon Balm Cream!
Hi all - There seem to be several people looking for Lemon Balm cream, so I found one at: http://store.yahoo.com/southnatural/e113541.html I'll order it pretty soon and let you know if it works for me. >Hi all - >There seem to be several people looking for Lemon Balm cream, so I found >one at: >http://store.yahoo.com/southnatural/e113541.html >I'll order it pretty soon and let you know if it works for me. "Ingredients: Olive Oil Extracts of Lemon Balm, Black Walnut Hulls, Calendula Flowers, Comfrey, Echinacea, Plantain, Slippery Elm Bark, St. Johnswort, Essential Oils of Grapefruit & Tea Tree, Hyssop Flower Essence & Black Tourmaline Gem Essence." First Witch Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd. Second Witch Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined. Third Witch Harpier cries 'Tis time, 'tis time. First Witch Round about the cauldron go; In the poison'd entrails throw. Toad, that under cold stone Days and nights has thirty-one Swelter'd venom sleeping got, Boil thou first i' the charmed pot. ALL Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and cauldron bubble. Second Witch Fillet of a fenny snake, In the cauldron boil and bake; Eye of newt and toe of frog, Wool of bat and tongue of dog, Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting, Lizard's leg and owlet's wing, For a charm of powerful trouble, Like a hell-broth boil and bubble. ALL Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble. Third Witch Scale of dragon, tooth of wolf, Witches' mummy, maw and gulf Of the ravin'd salt-sea shark, Root of hemlock digg'd i' the dark, Liver of blaspheming Jew, Gall of goat, and slips of yew Silver'd in the moon's eclipse, Nose of Turk and Tartar's lips, Finger of birth-strangled babe Ditch-deliver'd by a drab, Make the gruel thick and slab: Add thereto a tiger's chaudron, For the ingredients of our cauldron. ALL Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn and cauldron bubble. Second Witch Cool it with a baboon's blood, Then the charm is firm and good, Last Witch Balm of Lemons, Ooo that smarted, A fool and his money soon are parted! --mostly Shakespeare, Macbeth, Act IV scene 1 You know, trying something doesn't mean you're unilaterally accepting or admitting that it has benefit. I get the feeling in here that if it isn't acyclovir, Famvir, Zovirax, Valtrex, etc., that it's immediately thought of as snake oil. Several other responses to my previous posts have confirmed this, which is a shame. I do recognize the value of anti-virals, but even with suppressive or outbreak therapy, a few of us will get breakouts, and I'd appreciate it if we could recognize any potential benefit to be shared with others, from personal experience. Just my $0.02. >>Hi all - > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > --mostly Shakespeare, Macbeth, Act IV scene 1 >You know, trying something doesn't mean you're unilaterally accepting or >admitting that it has benefit. >I get the feeling in here that if it isn't acyclovir, Famvir, Zovirax, >Valtrex, etc., that it's immediately thought of as snake oil. >Several other responses to my previous posts have confirmed this, which >is a shame. >I do recognize the value of anti-virals, but even with suppressive or >outbreak therapy, a few of us will get breakouts, and I'd appreciate it >if we could recognize any potential benefit to be shared with others, >from personal experience. >Just my $0.02. Some people *like* snake oil. For instance, I've managed to convince myself that L-lyisine works for me, without more than personal semi-coincidental anecdotal results, and while knowing that official studies of the stuff have all come back reporting conclusions approaching "snake oil". I'm open to being made fun of for it. If the Lemon Balm makes you *feel* better, perhaps that is all that is needed to forestall an outbreak or two. I don't think there is anything in it that will stop viruses from replicating. And I apologize for getting your goat. I can be a little sharp at times. ;-) Take care, Mike > Some people *like* snake oil. Only a fool *likes* snake oil. For instance, I've managed to > convince myself that L-lyisine works for me, without more than > personal semi-coincidental anecdotal results, and while knowing that > official studies of the stuff have all come back reporting > conclusions approaching "snake oil". You should be concerned more for you own results than for the results of official studies. If your own results are equivocal then you are wasting your money taking L-lysine. I'm open to being made fun of > for it. Ok, Mike, since you are so fond of making fun of others, here goes. You are a twit for taking something that doesn't give you results that are better than what you think 'semi-coincidental' . > If the Lemon Balm makes you *feel* better, perhaps that is all that > is needed to forestall an outbreak or two. Or maybe it works for this person. Do you have to be patronizing and assume that all results are due to placebo effect? I don't think there is > anything in it that will stop viruses from replicating. It is not the replication of viruses that is the problem. It is how the virus affects the normal function of the skin cells during an outbreak. Have you studied the biology of viruses at all? > And I apologize for getting your goat. I can be a little sharp at > times. ;-) Don't confuse being a wise-a.s with being sharp. You are actually pretty dull and thick. >> Some people *like* snake oil. >Only a fool *likes* snake oil. ??? It often comes with a respectable proof number. ;-) > For instance, I've managed to >> convince myself that L-lyisine works for me, without more than >> personal semi-coincidental anecdotal results, and while knowing that >> official studies of the stuff have all come back reporting >> conclusions approaching "snake oil". >You should be concerned more for you own results than for the results >of official studies. If your own results are equivocal then you are >wasting your money taking L-lysine. > I'm open to being made fun of >> for it. >Ok, Mike, since you are so fond of making fun of others, here goes. >You are a twit for taking something that doesn't give you results that >are better than what you think 'semi-coincidental' . >> If the Lemon Balm makes you *feel* better, perhaps that is all that >> is needed to forestall an outbreak or two. >Or maybe it works for this person. Do you have to be patronizing and >assume that all results are due to placebo effect? > I don't think there is >> anything in it that will stop viruses from replicating. >It is not the replication of viruses that is the problem. It is how >the virus affects the normal function of the skin cells during an >outbreak. Have you studied the biology of viruses at all? Actually, it *is* the replication of viruses that is the problem. The cells where the viruses are being manufactured A) are "dismantled" in the process and B) burst from the load of new buggers. But I don't really know that much about it. >> And I apologize for getting your goat. I can be a little sharp at >> times. ;-) >Don't confuse being a wise-a.s with being sharp. You are actually >pretty dull and thick. And very often, I'm am keeeeeerect, too. Have a nice day. Mike > >> Some people *like* snake oil. > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > "dismantled" in the process and B) burst from the load of new > buggers. Well, the way I've figured out the fight against the virus is more successful is if a whole lot of antivirals are added to the battle. That includes lots of specific vegetables such as broccoli, carrots, beets, honey dew, cucumbers, red onions etc lots of fruits, lots of herbs that have the antiviral properties. These all are part of nutritional for everyday diet. By being aware of these things makes a heck of a difference. The same can be said about the topical creams and such. The way our bodies fight against the virus can be very complex, there are lots of things involved some that I am aware of and some that I'm not, so far. There are prostaglandins, bad and good, there are tannins from above mentioned nutrients that fight the viruses, there are amino-acids such as lysine, arginine and others that have a large role there, there are things that slow the viral processes and their travel mechanisms, multiplication, attachment to cells there are issues related to the inflammatory processes, there are polysaccharid that are antiviral, there are all other sorts of factors involved, including specific homeopathic pills for particular symptoms. For the most part, all of thess factors are part of a healthy body and taking care of it would only do good for you, whether in dealing with the herpes virus or just to maintain your health in general. Nonetheless, there are certain factors that work together in a way that are bloking the viral activity in totality. Finding it is of course, the challenge. More I understand about these things, more I win the war against the virus and I have a feeling that I am getting pretty close to reveal the true nature of the herpes behaviour. Perl von Molson > But I don't really know that much about it. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mike > > >It is not the replication of viruses that is the problem. It is how [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "dismantled" in the process and B) burst from the load of new > buggers. Replication of the virus is only a problem when the cell is killed in the process. Clearly there is replication of viral particles (not just the replication of the genetic material through mitotic division) without lysis yet outside of the latent phase of infection. Otherwise there would be no such thing as asymptomatic shedding and this is well documented. So in such individuals, the viral particles have somehow escaped the cells without killing them...or at least if they are killing the cells they are doing so in such low numbers so that the host is unaffected. Anti-viral scrip medication works by interrupting the assembly of the viral particles after the infected neural cells have been activated. Little is known about the activation process and it is difficult to study this in a living body. If a substance reverses or prevents activation it may be years before the mechanism of action is validated. In fact, many of the medicines (for other disease states) in use clearly state in the product monographs that the 'mechanism of action is not completely understood'. Drew, there are other very important issues related to herpes It seems like the herpes' spikes are the main mechanism component of the herpes viruses that would allow herpes to bind and penetrate the cells. Prunella vulgaris is doing just that: inhibiting viral binding as well as events post-viral binding and penetration. If there is no binding of the viral spikes to the cells, there is a low chance that the virus will be capable of entering them. (I know you are talking in here about the asymptomatic shedding but I need to make this introduction before I go further to analyse the issues) Perl von Molson, autodidact, expert in Natural treatments of Herpes Simplex Identification of Herpes Simplex Virus 1 Proteins Bound by the Novel Anti-Herpes Prunella vulgaris Polysaccharide G. DELANEY1, S. H. S. LEE1*, AND S. F. LEE1,2. 1Dept. of Microbiology & Immunology, 2Dept. of Applied Oral Sciences, Dalhousie University, Halifax, Nova Scotia. Objective: We previously described a polysaccharide from the Chinese herb Prunella vulgaris exhibiting activity against herpes simplex virus 1 and 2 (HSV-1 and 2). The polysaccharide apparently inhibited viral binding as well as events post-viral binding and penetration. The objective of this study is to identify the viral proteins bound by the Prunella polysaccharide. Methods: [35S]methionine-labeled proteins were obtained from HSV-1-infected Vero cell lysates by freeze-thaw cycles and Noindet P-40 and sodium deoxycholate treatment. The proteins were applied to a Prunella polysaccharide-Sepharose column. Bound proteins were eluted by Prunella polysaccharide, immuno-precipitated by anti-gC and anti-gD antibodies and analyzed by SDS-PAGE. Results: Following chromatography on the Prunella polysaccharide affinity column, two broad bands of 120-112 kDa and 69- 74 kDa were obtained from the HSV-1 infected lysate; these protein bands were absent from the mock infected lysate suggesting that the proteins were of viral in origin. Similar proteins were obtained when sucrose-gradient purified HSV-1 lysate was used. Two protein bands of 115 kDa and 74 kDa were recovered from the eluted proteins by immuno-precipitation with the anti-gC antibody, while a 68 kDa protein band was precipitated by the anti-gD antibody. The 115 kDa and 68 kDa proteins corresponded to the reported size of gC and gD, respectively. The nature of the 74 kDa is unclear but it could be a truncated version of the gC or another HSV-1 protein which shared common antigenic epitopes with gC. http://www.cacmid.ca/abstracts/a50.html http://www.chataboutsupport.com/930-1.html > > > > >It is not the replication of viruses that is the problem. It is how [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > in use clearly state in the product monographs that the 'mechanism of > action is not completely understood'. Hi there Anonymous, > You know, trying something doesn't mean you're unilaterally accepting or > admitting that it has benefit. That's true! If people want to try stuff they are more than welcome to do so. In fact.. I have a section on my site where folks can write in and tell me about the stuff they have tried: http://www.yoshi2me.com/comments/herpes-products.html There are also plenty of materials that people like to use while they are waiting for their antivirals OR their alternative medicine to kick in to relieve the pain. The Updated Herpes Handbook over on www.westoverheights.com has such a list. Feel free to look at the symptom relief section when you have time. > I get the feeling in here that if it isn't acyclovir, Famvir, Zovirax, > Valtrex, etc., that it's immediately thought of as snake oil. That's not necessarily a true statement. What you are actually getting in here is an opinion from people that have had herpes simplex virus for years that actually know what has been proven to work as far as reducing transmission, reducing number of outbreaks and reducing the frequency of outbreaks. We've been around the block a couple of times and know a little something about the products for treating herpes. As for snake oil.. any swift knife in the droor can usually tell if certain products are snake oil. One tip is to take a look at their web site. Does it offer help with herpes? Does it offer a herpes facts section that actually states truth to how the virus works? Then you can do some research and read what others have to say about the product. I would recommend looking at feedback that is not actually listed on the products page because then that would be a little biased. They aren't going to share any negative comments with the public because then that would defeat their profitability. > Several other responses to my previous posts have confirmed this, which is > a shame. Try not to jump to conclusions. Like I said.. a few of us have heard it all and know what we are talking about. The only person that can figure it all out is you. You'll either get it OR you won't.. it's up to you. > I do recognize the value of anti-virals, but even with suppressive or > outbreak therapy, a few of us will get breakouts, and I'd appreciate it if > we could recognize any potential benefit to be shared with others, from > personal experience. Many of us do share our personal experiences. It would be a lie for me to say that I believe Lemon Balm Cream has the ability to cut asymptomatic shedding by about 95% OR to reduce transmission by about 50% OR to reduce the frequency and intensity of flare ups. I wouldn't even have any clinical studies to show you.. why? Because they don't exist. The only antivirals that have been proven in clinical studies to actually work are Famvir, Valtrex and Acyclovir. Think about it this way.. if you decided to have a relationship with a non-infected partner.. which med would you use? The proven antiviral that has years of clinical studies to prove that transmission can be prevented by 50% OR would you use Lemon Balm? > Just my $0.02. You are certainly entitled to your opinion just as you are welcome to share your experiences with the group. We are certainly entitled to share our experiences too. Try not to be offended that we know a little something about herpes. Know what I mean? Angela :) www.yoshi2me.com lol that sounds more like an ice cream flavor!! lol :)  SignatureAngela :) Omaha HELP Patient Advocate www.yoshi2me.com > Hi all - > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'll order it pretty soon and let you know if it works for me. > Hi all - > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'll order it pretty soon and let you know if it works for me. Apparently, right now in Canada there is a new department of (whatever they are called) FDA now FDAN that is Nutritional included and the nutritional suplements are being tested for quality and such. I've heared from suppliers that at the canadian border there is a large ammount of such natural products waiting to enter the country. P.S. Funny thing; do you remember a week ago I was telling about a store where I could purchase lemon balm; now all the shelves are empty. Perl von Molson |
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