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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / December 2004Ratio lysine/arginine not important if taking lysine suplements
Indeed, most websites that talk about the herpes virus advice about eating high lysine/low arginine (ratio) containing foods. Therefore, I believe people would avoid a whole lot of types of foods and eat more of other types of foods. I even have seen contradictory information; some sites tells that a particular type of food is good for you if dealing with the herpes virus other sites on contrary, tells it is not good. Once taking lysine suplements I don't see any reasons for these. In other words it means going back to a normal diet, isn't it? P.S. I haven't heared talks about any other amino-acids or enzymes or such, that would be important for the same reason- dealing with herpes. There must be more to it then just the argine/lysine ratio factor. Perl von Molson > Indeed, most websites that talk about the herpes virus > advice about eating high lysine/low arginine (ratio) containing foods. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a particular type of food is good for you if dealing with the herpes virus > other sites on contrary, tells it is not good. > Once taking lysine suplements I don't see any reasons for these. > In other words it means going back to a normal diet, isn't it? > > Perl von Molson Sure, I would think that if the ratio of lysine:arginine is artificially raised because you are taking lots of lysine in a capsule, it shoudn't matter if you eat chocolate, nuts and jello again. This would be the logic of taking lysine. I eat lots of nuts and I don't take lysine or valtrex/famvir/acyclovir and I maybe get 1 mild outbreak/year for Christmas. Feed your body crap and it will feed you an outbreak. That is my gross oversimplification but for me it is true. Drew. > > Indeed, most websites that talk about the herpes virus > > advice about eating high lysine/low arginine (ratio) containing foods. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Drew. My point was that most authors suggest avoiding eating foods other than the nuts, seeds, chocolate simply because their ratio lysine/arginine was low. It sounds like a great mistake to me. For example, they add fruits and vegetables to the avoiding list. Even nuts are supposedly good for the immune system and skin. If you will neglect eating them, you will (well those who do) will lose a great deal of help from those nuts in the fighting and protecting against herpes too. Hazelnuts are one of the best foods to eat in order to have a healthy skin. If you avoid eating them because of high arginine content, I don't know what would favor viruses eating of not eating them? Same can be said about the orange juice, grapefruit juice etc. As I've said before, I want to have a normal diet, not a diet like someone that has allergies or something like that. One only thing I have to clarity and that is the acidity of the foods. Even the vitamin C purchase in the pharmacy can be made from ascorbic acid, which is bad for you and can be Esther-C ph buffered that is much better. (I wish I new that one before, when I chewed vitamin C and somewhat damaged my teeth!) Perl von Molson > My point was that most authors suggest avoiding > eating foods other than the nuts, seeds, chocolate simply because [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lose a great deal of help from those nuts in the fighting and > protecting against herpes too. I don't think that anybody would seriously suggest avoiding fruits and vegetables in the diet just because of a low lysine:arginine ratio in these foods. If you only eat dairy products, for example, you will create other problems that are worse than the herp. High cholesterol and constipation to name two. But your point is well taken for those who may be tempted to follow a single line of reasoning to the extreme. > Hazelnuts are one of the best foods to eat in order to have a healthy > skin. > If you avoid eating them because of high arginine content, I don't know > what would favor viruses eating of not eating them? Just avoid crap food with high arginine like chocolate and jello, and take lysine on the side to keep the ratio of lysine:arginine high. That would seem to be the logical solution. > As I've said before, I want to have a normal diet, > not a diet like someone that has allergies or something like that. Of course. I get the impression that you are looking for natural remedies only and that you don't like the idea of taking, say, lysine on its own in capsule form? > One only thing I have to clarity and that is the acidity of the foods. > Even the vitamin C purchase in the pharmacy can be made from ascorbic > acid, which is > bad for you and can be Esther-C ph buffered that is much better. That is if you have a problem with acid, right? What health risks are associated with ascorbic acid? > > My point was that most authors suggest avoiding > > eating foods other than the nuts, seeds, chocolate simply because [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > create other problems that are worse than the herp. High cholesterol > and constipation to name two. Well, like I've said, most authors are suggesting to avoid high arginine/ low lysine ratio of foods. > But your point is well taken for those who may be tempted to follow a > single line of reasoning to the extreme. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > take lysine on the side to keep the ratio of lysine:arginine high. > That would seem to be the logical solution. You've got this right. I do avoid chocolate and jello. The chololate would be ok, it is just the sugar, artificial flavours and other things like that and that's what's making it bad for the teeth and health in general. Jello? Just when I hear the name it makes me stay away from it... > > As I've said before, I want to have a normal diet, > > not a diet like someone that has allergies or something like that. > > Of course. I get the impression that you are looking for natural > remedies only and that you don't like the idea of taking, say, lysine > on its own in capsule form? That was the situation until a week or so ago. Now I do take lysine in capsule form. After reading about it I figured out it would be better for me to take it. > > One only thing I have to clarity and that is the acidity of the foods. > > Even the vitamin C purchase in the pharmacy can be made from ascorbic [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That is if you have a problem with acid, right? What health risks are > associated with ascorbic acid? No, not particularly; it is just that acidic drinks and foods are supposed to offer a greater chance for the virus to become active. I've read several articles about it. Actually, more health risks are associated with a high acidity content of the certain foods. It is a long list of problems. To have a ph balance in your body is a key to your health. Vitamin C, on the other hand, in chewable form, it is bad for your teeth. I've read that the ascorbic acid form it's the worst kind of vitamin C. Perl von Molson > Just avoid crap food with high arginine like chocolate and jello, and > take lysine on the side to keep the ratio of lysine:arginine high. > That would seem to be the logical solution. What about those folks that do avoid those foods and still get outbreaks?? > > Just avoid crap food with high arginine like chocolate and jello, and > > take lysine on the side to keep the ratio of lysine:arginine high. > > That would seem to be the logical solution. > > What about those folks that do avoid those foods and still get outbreaks?? Take a prescribed medication such as Valtrex. I eat what some of you might consider to be junk foods and I don't get flare ups at all.. Happy Holidays!! Angela :) www.yoshi2me.com >> Indeed, most websites that talk about the herpes virus >> advice about eating high lysine/low arginine (ratio) containing foods. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Drew. > I eat what some of you might consider to be junk foods and I don't get flare > ups at all.. > > Happy Holidays!! > > Angela :) Do you take prescription antivirals? What kind of 'junk' do you eat? Obviously you are doing something very right if you don't get outbreaks...or you're just one of the lucky ones. :-) When I was diagnosed with genital herpes I got flare ups all the time. I tracked them for an entire year and only took antivirals when I had a flare up. I even compared Famvir to Valtrex and discovered that Valtrex did a quicker job (for me anyway) in clearing up my outbreaks. That's when I decided it was time to go on suppression. 500mg of Valtrex for two years worked out GREAT and there were even days where I had almost forgotten I even had herpes simplex virus. lol :-) Back in the Spring of 2001 I decided to go off suppression to see where my body is at.. To date I am not on suppression and I only get small patches of redness about once or twice a year - if that. Back in the beginning I tried L-Lysine and it didn't work. I tried to quit smoking and exercise on a regular basis and that didn't work. I also went through the round of stuff that people said about what nuts, popcorn and chocolate would do to bring on flare ups and that didn't work. I tried everything humanly possible within my daily routine and diet to keep from getting flare ups and that didn't work. Nothing that was happening ever jived with what others said worked or didn't work. The only thing I know to be true for me is that taking Valtrex works. Lastly, I believe my flare ups have decreased over time because that's what usually happens with herpes. Hope this helps, Angela :-)  SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ SSNA Scoop: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/SSNA-Scoop/ >> I eat what some of you might consider to be junk foods and I don't get >> flare [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Obviously you are doing something very right if you don't get > outbreaks...or you're just one of the lucky ones. :-) Unfortunately not everybody has success with watching their diet AND using Lysine OR watching your diet doesn't cut transmission of the Herpes Simplex Virus in half as proven with Valtrex. Remember, everybody is different. What works for some (no matter what they use) may not work for others. (I'm not talking about snake oil) I tried Lysine when I first contracted Herpes and it did *nothing* for me. I also tried to improve my health by doing things that were good for my body and that did *nothing* for me as well. Happy Holidays!! Angela :) www.yoshi2me.com > Indeed, most websites that talk about the herpes virus > advice about eating high lysine/low arginine (ratio) containing foods. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Perl von Molson > Unfortunately not everybody has success with watching their diet AND using > Lysine OR watching your diet doesn't cut transmission of the Herpes Simplex [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > it did *nothing* for me. I also tried to improve my health by doing things > that were good for my body and that did *nothing* for me as well. Apparently, Valtrex also doesn't work for all folks out there. On the other hand, "cutting transmission in HALF" would be way insufficient for me considering the risks taken by using such pills ( some reports mention even the DNA troubles that cause cancer in the end, besides kidney failures, liver failures, testicular shrinkage (sp.) on top of headaches etc etc). I would go for a "cure" that even if it doesn't mean a total dissapearance of the viral traces from the ganglia, in my definition a cure would be a lifetime lack of anymore signs of herpes activity: lack of OB's, lack of associated symptoms etc. > Happy Holidays!! you, too. Perl von Molson > Angela :) > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Perl von Molson > Unfortunately not everybody has success with watching their diet AND using > Lysine OR watching your diet doesn't cut transmission of the Herpes Simplex [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Angela :) The main problem is infectiousness. If suppressive doses of acyclovir could guarantee lack of transmission outside of a visible outbreak, then there would be little reason for concern. I think most of us can handle the occasional outbreak. |
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