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Can Valtrex prevent transmission?

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Mike - 13 Sep 2004 04:40 GMT
I get cold sores a couple of times a year, so I have a prescription
for Valtrex.
I take a couple of pills the first day I feel the symptoms.

My gf, also gets cold sores.

I know that sometimes you can transmit the virus even though you are
not feeling symptoms yet.

Would it be effective if I take a valtrex before and then after oral
sex?

Would the pills help to prevent transmission from the lips to the
genitals?
M.L.S. - 15 Sep 2004 13:21 GMT
>I get cold sores a couple of times a year, so I have a prescription
>for Valtrex.
>I take a couple of pills the first day I feel the symptoms.

>My gf, also gets cold sores.

>I know that sometimes you can transmit the virus even though you are
>not feeling symptoms yet.

>Would it be effective if I take a valtrex before and then after oral
>sex?

>Would the pills help to prevent transmission from the lips to the
>genitals?

Recent studies do show that Valtrex reduces asymptomatic shedding,
so, yes, taking Valtrex might "help" prevent transmission.  You
should not depend on it, though, to totally eliminate the risk.  At
best, it cuts the risk in half.

You'd probably have to start taking the pills a couple days before
sex.

Take care,

Mike
Tim Fitzmaurice - 15 Sep 2004 17:12 GMT
> >Would it be effective if I take a valtrex before and then after oral
> >sex?
> Recent studies do show that Valtrex reduces asymptomatic shedding,
> so, yes, taking Valtrex might "help" prevent transmission.  You
> should not depend on it, though, to totally eliminate the risk.  At
> best, it cuts the risk in half.

Just to put some extra context - the data MLS is talking about refers to
the benefit seen by people on suppressive therapy - so long term
treatment, not popping a pill before and after....

Tim
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Mike - 16 Sep 2004 03:36 GMT
> Recent studies do show that Valtrex reduces asymptomatic shedding,
> so, yes, taking Valtrex might "help" prevent transmission.  You
  I meant taking Valtrex, to prevent infection, not transmission.
M.L.S. - 16 Sep 2004 04:44 GMT
>> Recent studies do show that Valtrex reduces asymptomatic shedding,
>> so, yes, taking Valtrex might "help" prevent transmission.  You

>   I meant taking Valtrex, to prevent infection, not transmission.

Valtrex cannot prevent an incoming infection.  It only inhibits the
replication cycle of the virus, not the estabilishment-of-latency
cycle.  Or, at least, not as far as I know.

There is the theory that taking Valtrex can limit the severity of a
new infection, ie., that the taker will suffer milder or fewer
outbreaks in the long run, but I don't know of any studies that have
conclusively established such.

In a discordant relationship, the best way to use Valtrex is for the
infected person to take it, thereby reducing asymptomatic shedding.

Take care,

Mike
Elizabeth - 15 Sep 2004 22:13 GMT
According to the National Herpes Hotline, there is very little chance
that an
individual will pass herpes on, as long as the other person already
has the antibodies for that specific type in his or her system.
However, as my infectious disease specialist noted, anything is
possible when there is highly concentrated virus involved (meaning the
fluid in a herpes sore), so, DO NOT HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE DURING A
HERPES OUTBREAK.  There is the possibility of autoinoculation during
an actual outbreak.  If you and your girlfriend both have the
same type of herpes, no matter the location, then you will likely NOT
spread it to each other as a result of viral shedding.  However, for
this reason, it is very important to know the actual type of herpes
you each have.  Either Type 1 or Type 2.
Mike - 16 Sep 2004 03:39 GMT
> According to the National Herpes Hotline, there is very little chance
> that an individual will pass herpes on, as long as the other person already
> has the antibodies for that specific type in his or her system.

> an actual outbreak.  If you and your girlfriend both have the
> same type of herpes, no matter the location, then you will likely NOT
> spread it to each other as a result of viral shedding.  However, for

     You mean if we both have type 1 (which is what a cold sore
usually is) then I dont have to worry about oral to genital
transmission?

I know that even though Type 1 is usually on the mouth, it CAN be
transmitted to the genitals.

> this reason, it is very important to know the actual type of herpes
> you each have.  Either Type 1 or Type 2.
   well, Type 1 is what most people have, which causes Cold Sores,
and Type 2 is what people usually think of when they say "Herpes"
which is genital.
Right?
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 21 Sep 2004 13:33 GMT
>You mean if we both have type 1 (which is what a cold sore
>usually is) then I dont have to worry about oral to genital
>transmission?

If you've both been infected long enough to build up antibodies
against it, then the chances for auto inoculation (spreading it to a
new location on yourself) are greatly reduced. Same goes with
spreading it to a new location on your girlfriend if she has
antibodies to the same type as you.
But don't push your luck if an outbreak is present.

>I know that even though Type 1 is usually on the mouth, it CAN be
>transmitted to the genitals.

True. But a current infection causes antibodies which then help
protect against new infection in a new location.

Lizzy writes:
>> this reason, it is very important to know the actual type of herpes
>> you each have.  Either Type 1 or Type 2.

Exactly!

Mike again:
> well, Type 1 is what most people have, which causes Cold Sores,

Right.  Also known as Oral Herpes.

>and Type 2 is what people usually think of when they say "Herpes"
>which is genital. Right?

There is a LOT of ignorance and confusion still existing on the
subject.
Here's the deal:
The term "Herpes" can mean either oral or genital.
Cold sores, fever blisters, herpes sores, they're all the same thing
no matter where they're located.
HSV type 1 and HSV type 2 look exactly alike under a microscope. They
are two types of the same virus.
In recent history, HSV Type 1 has been causing as much as 33% of newly
diagnosed genital cases and almost all of newly diagnosed oral cases.
Type 2 has been causing only 67% of newly diagnosed genital cases and
very few oral cases.

So, if people think only of genital and/or only of type 2 when they
say "Herpes",  they're apparently uninformed.

M2
 
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