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drew - 03 Nov 2004 17:10 GMT
Has anybody in this group experimented with home made anti-herp
topical or oral remedies?  If so, I would like to know what works for
you.  There seem to be a lot of products that are non-prescription
with documented anti-herp effects.  I am concocting my own.  Anybody
care to trade recipes?
Perl Molson - 06 Nov 2004 21:48 GMT
> Has anybody in this group experimented with home made anti-herp
> topical or oral remedies?  If so, I would like to know what works for
> you.  There seem to be a lot of products that are non-prescription
> with documented anti-herp effects.  I am concocting my own.  Anybody
> care to trade recipes?

Hi,

One folk remedy is applying a cube of ice for several minutes
over the sore; it will soothe the wound and reduce the inflammation;
using a hair drier afterword will kill a few layers of viruses.

You can find tons of great folk/over the counter remedies in my past
posts.
I've tried most of the herbs that I've mentioned in my posts
and there are several that work great, used in combinations.
I don't have the right "formula" though. It is a matter of trial and
error.

I just have to mention some of the best herbs I've found
when used as infussion (tea) "Prunella vulgaris" and "bitter melon"
and mellisa  (lemon balm), nutmeg, feverfew leaves, reishi, astragalus
root.

Topical oil such as rose (not a home remedy of course), garlic pure
oils, neem oil.

These above remedies are for treatment rather then prevention even
though
they work either way; for prevention there are a wide variety of other
dietary and exercise related methods, but that's not what you're
asking for.

I am looking forward to learn about your home remedy, Drew.

Cheers,

Perl von Molson
drew - 07 Nov 2004 06:55 GMT
> they work either way; for prevention there are a wide variety of other
> dietary and exercise related methods, but that's not what you're
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>
> Perl von Molson

Thanx.  mixed 2mls of creams with 8%sulphur, and 2% salicylic acid,
3mls of 5% benzoyl peroxide, clotrimazole 1%, 1ml (in case yeast is
involved too), colloidal silver 6ppm, 4mls, vitamin C, 250 mg,
selenium 100 ug, zinc as gluconate, 50mg, grape seed extract 50 mg,
cat's claw bark 500 mg, spirulina, 500 mg, olive leaf, 500 mg, St.
John's Wort, lysine.

I'm not a chemist, I'm not a physician.  All I'm doing is mixing
together some things that I know work, and a bunch of other stuff that
other people have written about.  It mixes together ok.  How stable it
is and how stuff like benzoyl peroxide will react with salicylic acid
and sulphur...I do not know.

I don't often get outbreaks so all I can tell you is that I tried it
and it didn't burn off my private parts or cause inflammation where
none existed.

I'm not promoting this as a cure...I'm just experimenting.  I'm not
against using scrip medicines so please no flames from the 'go to your
doc, he knows best' people OK?
 

Where can you get lemon balm?
M.L.S. - 07 Nov 2004 14:57 GMT
>> they work either way; for prevention there are a wide variety of other
>> dietary and exercise related methods, but that's not what you're
>> asking for.

>> I am looking forward to learn about your home remedy, Drew.

>> Cheers,

>> Perl von Molson

>Thanx.  mixed 2mls of creams with 8%sulphur, and 2% salicylic acid,
>3mls of 5% benzoyl peroxide, clotrimazole 1%, 1ml (in case yeast is
>involved too), colloidal silver 6ppm, 4mls, vitamin C, 250 mg,
>selenium 100 ug, zinc as gluconate, 50mg, grape seed extract 50 mg,
>cat's claw bark 500 mg, spirulina, 500 mg, olive leaf, 500 mg, St.
>John's Wort, lysine.

Good grief.

>I'm not a chemist, I'm not a physician.  All I'm doing is mixing
>together some things that I know work, and a bunch of other stuff that
>other people have written about.  It mixes together ok.  How stable it
>is and how stuff like benzoyl peroxide will react with salicylic acid
>and sulphur...I do not know.

It's shining lights like you and Perl who are routinely showcased
(by lights of exactly equal wattage) as justiifcation for for having
the governmental bureaucracy (an entire institutionalized
conglomeration of short-sighted halfwits) stick its nose into every
finger-lifting endeavor that might occur to any of the rest of us,
with the aim or preventing it.  The instant you poison or explode or
otherwise damage  yourself, some whiny maladroit will petition his
or her eager public servant to regulate or abolish the politically
correct percentage of the stuff in the list above.  

Me, I think you and others like you should be allowed to maim
yourselves beyond any danger of your adding to the gene pool, so all
I'll say, as a warning to others:  Listen to these two at your own
risk, and don't come crying to me or fat mama government when the
sudden experience of your gonads going up in flames instantly and
fully illuminates the dark, huddling figure of your own damn folly.

With affection,

Mike

>I don't often get outbreaks so all I can tell you is that I tried it
>and it didn't burn off my private parts or cause inflammation where
>none existed.

>I'm not promoting this as a cure...I'm just experimenting.  I'm not
>against using scrip medicines so please no flames from the 'go to your
>doc, he knows best' people OK?

>Where can you get lemon balm?
drew - 08 Nov 2004 14:35 GMT
> Me, I think you and others like you should be allowed to maim
> yourselves beyond any danger of your adding to the gene pool, so all
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>
> Mike

I would just add that many of you who listen to so-called "medical
experts" should be equally skeptical of the substances they would have
you apply or ingest.

While I am not a physician, I am a medical professional and I have
seen lists of medications that are taken orally (not topically) that
exceed the number of ingredients above and include substances far more
toxic than anything listed above.

Also if you care to look at the ingredients of the junk food that many
eat you will find an equally impressive list of ingredients.  Many
feed this stuff to their children without any thought to what may
happen to their health.

So...Mr. Affectionate Mike, go blow it out your herpetic a.s.
M.L.S. - 08 Nov 2004 14:55 GMT
>> Me, I think you and others like you should be allowed to maim
>> yourselves beyond any danger of your adding to the gene pool, so all
>> I'll say, as a warning to others:  Listen to these two at your own
>> risk, and don't come crying to me or fat mama government when the
>> sudden experience of your gonads going up in flames instantly and
>> fully illuminates the dark, huddling figure of your own damn folly.

>> With affection,

>> Mike

>I would just add that many of you who listen to so-called "medical
>experts" should be equally skeptical of the substances they would have
>you apply or ingest.

By all means.  Especially if one of them grabs ten ingredients down
from the shelves, mixes them up in a blender, and tells you to smear
the resultant concoction on yourself just before he runs behind the
partition.

>While I am not a physician, I am a medical professional and I have
>seen lists of medications that are taken orally (not topically) that
>exceed the number of ingredients above and include substances far more
>toxic than anything listed above.

But, presumably, those substances were evaluated by professionals
and tested by others before they were marketed.  You, yourself, in
your previous post, admitted that you had no idea of the possible
interactions between the substances you were mixing:

"How stable it is and how stuff like benzoyl peroxide will react
with salicylic acid and sulphur...I do not know."

>Also if you care to look at the ingredients of the junk food that many
>eat you will find an equally impressive list of ingredients.  Many
>feed this stuff to their children without any thought to what may
>happen to their health.

Hey!  I love junk food.

>So...Mr. Affectionate Mike, go blow it out your herpetic a.s.

I love you, too.

Mike
drew - 09 Nov 2004 06:03 GMT
> By all means.  Especially if one of them grabs ten ingredients down
> from the shelves, mixes them up in a blender, and tells you to smear
> the resultant concoction on yourself just before he runs behind the
> partition.

I didn't TELL you to do anything, you jerk.  I openly admit that I am
experimenting in case you can't read.  If you can't handle that, stick
to writing sympathy cards.

> >While I am not a physician, I am a medical professional and I have
> >seen lists of medications that are taken orally (not topically) that
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> "How stable it is and how stuff like benzoyl peroxide will react
> with salicylic acid and sulphur...I do not know."

Yeah.  I don't know if the original ingredients will be as effective
together as individually or if they will somehow combine to create
something that will be either ineffective or an irritant.  Maybe it
will be very effective.  There is no way of knowing this unless I try
it.  I'm not going to wait for the drug companies to try it.  No big
deal.  If it stings, I wash it off.  If it works, I'll use it.  I
don't give a sh.t what you do or don't do.  If you have something to
add, let's hear it.  Otherwise keep your snotty, wimpy comments to
yourself, you weak-kneed piece of sh.t.

> >Also if you care to look at the ingredients of the junk food that many
> >eat you will find an equally impressive list of ingredients.  Many
> >feed this stuff to their children without any thought to what may
> >happen to their health.
>
> Hey!  I love junk food.

I guess that means I don't have to tell you to eat sh.t.  You already
do.
M.L.S. - 09 Nov 2004 06:35 GMT
>> By all means.  Especially if one of them grabs ten ingredients down
>> from the shelves, mixes them up in a blender, and tells you to smear
>> the resultant concoction on yourself just before he runs behind the
>> partition.

>I didn't TELL you to do anything, you jerk.  I openly admit that I am
>experimenting in case you can't read.  If you can't handle that, stick
>to writing sympathy cards.

Mea culpa pianissimo.  I thought I tried to convey that I didn't
care what you did to yourself, but that those who read here of your
intrepid exploits should not be so gung ho or cavalier or care free
within the considerations of their own well being.  It's all well
and good for you and Perl to trade homemade remedies, but there are
a lot of people with access to this place who don't know you two are
the kind of amateurs that wind up in small type headlines near the
bottom of the front page of the paper.

>> >While I am not a physician, I am a medical professional and I have
>> >seen lists of medications that are taken orally (not topically) that
>> >exceed the number of ingredients above and include substances far more
>> >toxic than anything listed above.

>> But, presumably, those substances were evaluated by professionals
>> and tested by others before they were marketed.  You, yourself, in
>> your previous post, admitted that you had no idea of the possible
>> interactions between the substances you were mixing:

>> "How stable it is and how stuff like benzoyl peroxide will react
>> with salicylic acid and sulphur...I do not know."

>Yeah.  I don't know if the original ingredients will be as effective
>together as individually or if they will somehow combine to create
>something that will be either ineffective or an irritant.  Maybe it
>will be very effective.  There is no way of knowing this unless I try
>it.  I'm not going to wait for the drug companies to try it.  No big

The drug companies are WAY BEYOND THAT KIND OF EXPERIMENTATION.
Don't you know that yet?  Combining off-the-shelf ingredients is kid
stuff.  And dangerous.  If you want to cure or ameliorate herpes you
are going to have to create a NEW compound, and you CAN'T do it by
mixing things that you buy at the RX.  It's IMPOSSIBLE.  Period.

>deal.  If it stings, I wash it off.  If it works, I'll use it.  I
>don't give a sh.t what you do or don't do.  If you have something to
>add, let's hear it.  Otherwise keep your snotty, wimpy comments to
>yourself, you weak-kneed piece of sh.t.

Yeah, okay, maybe YOUR only danger is giving yourself a slight rash,
but other intrepids, feeling encouraged, might hit on something that
leaves a more lasting impression.  My only thrust in all this is
that if you don't know what you're doing, don't be preachin' about
it.  And like I said before, when you go eggs up, some do gooder
will come along and try to outlaw whatever sequence of events
allegedly contributed to your disgrace, negatively impacting on the
freedom of everyone NOT inclined to nominate themselves for a Darwin
Award.

>> >Also if you care to look at the ingredients of the junk food that many
>> >eat you will find an equally impressive list of ingredients.  Many
>> >feed this stuff to their children without any thought to what may
>> >happen to their health.

>> Hey!  I love junk food.

>I guess that means I don't have to tell you to eat sh.t.  You already
>do.

Beets.  Eat beets.  Have fun.

Mike
drew - 09 Nov 2004 17:04 GMT
It's all well
> and good for you and Perl to trade homemade remedies, but there are
> a lot of people with access to this place who don't know you two are
> the kind of amateurs that wind up in small type headlines near the
> bottom of the front page of the paper.

You are a drama queen.  It's a big bad world out there, Mikey.  Better
warn everybody about everything that might happen to them.  Geez, I
hear if you eat too many hot peppers, you might get a sore tummy.
Beware of fresh vegetables, Mike. Danger! Danger!

> The drug companies are WAY BEYOND THAT KIND OF EXPERIMENTATION.
> Don't you know that yet?

No.  Enlighten me.  Is this an assertion or something you know to be
fact?  What exactly are the drug companies doing?

Combining off-the-shelf ingredients is kid
> stuff.  And dangerous.

You do it everytime you cook a meal, Mike.  Yes, it can be dangerous,
so be careful.  That's your message.  We hear you.  Now shutup.

If you want to cure or ameliorate herpes you
> are going to have to create a NEW compound, and you CAN'T do it by
> mixing things that you buy at the RX.  It's IMPOSSIBLE.  Period.

This is you preachin' now, not me.   Impossible, you say?  Who gave
you this  information?  God?

> Yeah, okay, maybe YOUR only danger is giving yourself a slight rash,
> but other intrepids, feeling encouraged, might hit on something that
> leaves a more lasting impression.  

Are you really all that concerned or are you just flaming for the hell
of it?  Do you have anything useful to add?

My only thrust in all this is
> that if you don't know what you're doing, don't be preachin' about
> it.

Who's preaching here besides you?

 And like I said before, when you go eggs up, some do gooder
> will come along and try to outlaw whatever sequence of events
> allegedly contributed to your disgrace, negatively impacting on the
> freedom of everyone NOT inclined to nominate themselves for a Darwin
> Award.

So you are trying to say that people are not competent to use their
own judgement.  They should not exercise their freedom because they
might make the wrong decision.  They might hurt themselves so don't
try anything different.  Only trust the authorities. Trust
MacDonald's.   That's your gospel, Mr. Preacher Mike.

>  
> >> >Also if you care to look at the ingredients of the junk food that many
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  
> >> Hey!  I love junk food.

I am supposed to listen to someone who willingly poisons his body with
junk food.  You're a joke, Mikey.
Perl Molson - 16 Nov 2004 13:16 GMT
M.L.S. <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message

> Beets.  Eat beets.  Have fun.
>
> Mike

Finally you've said something valuable.

Perl von Molson
cwbrh - 19 Nov 2004 19:58 GMT
WOW! that was fun reading!

well, i'm new to the Herpes world (however, still awaiting my test results
and hoping for a big negative)...but in the meantime, i'm in A WHOLE
F*CKING LOT OF PAIN!  not to mention Thanksgiving is next week and my
birthday is the week after (YAY! Happy birthday to me!).  anyways, i am on
Valtrex which hasnt shown results yet and being this is my first time, i'm
not sure what to expect.  

How long does an average outbreak last?

I've also been put on Lidocane ointment, but that sh*t stings like a
mo-fo.  so...i've been "mixing up my own concoctions" at home.  after
reading as much as i could into Herpes, Shingles, yeast infections, even
diaper rash...i came up with a couple of things (safe to use on babies)
that help me most.

1. after a shower, i dry off with a blow dryer and then apply cornstarch.
just basic otc Johnson&Johnson's 100% cornstarch.  that soothes instantly
when you apply it to a freshly washed area.  any other time, i've noticed
it gets pasty and hard to wash off, and can irritate more than soothe.

2.  after consulting my sister about how she relieves diaper rash pain
from my nephews, she let me in on a secret that she mixes up herself.
instead of Desitin or other diaper rash ointments, she uses a 50/50 mix of
Lotrisone and Cortisone 10. (OUCH...i just sneezed) so, i drove to her
place in desperation last night, eager to try ANYTHING, and i got home,
mixed up a pea size amount of each onto a cotton pad (i spread it around
to mix the 2 together).  the results...well, i thought it would sting like
crazy, and it did at first, slightly.  i think mostly because it was really
cold.  but it felt great.  i was able to sleep for more than a couple
hours.  not only that...i woke up this morning after having only used it
once and my swelling had reduced somewhat.  not significantly, but more
than the night before.  my sister told me that she would use this
"concoction" on my nephews when they had a diaper rash and if she applied
it 3 times a day then the rash would be gone within 24 hours.  she said it
works every time but can be costly (it's about 15 bucks for both tubes -
which is still less than my Lidocane that i wont use)  i dont see it as
that expensive in comparison to other products out there.

anyways, this is what i've been doing for me.  it is working best and if i
f*ck myself up then oh well...it's making me feel better right now.  i
guess i should say something like "dont try this at home" or "consult your
doctor first"...but really, havent we all done something liek this out of
desperation...whether we admit it or not.  besides, if i could get a hold
of a nurse in a reasonable amount of time, then i probably would have
consulted someone about this first.

oh well...i'll just keep on keeping on...
Kate
Perl Molson - 21 Nov 2004 02:59 GMT
Oh, dear...
you certainly talk about a bunch of things that I am not really familiar with
such as Lidocaine, Valtrex, Litrosone, Cortisone etc.
Sorry I will have to pass these things for now.
Maybe there are any other folks in the group familiar with them?

Like I've said before, don't forget the ice cubes for pain relief.
Maybe, if you have Zoster, a cream containing capsaicin it's the best choice.
I can't tell if you have it from here though; try also
capsules containing chondroitin sulphate and glucosamine,
they will deal with the joing in the facial area where the pain is.
In conformity with my personal research on the topic, mentioned in this group,
chondroitin consumption will also help directly
to repair the herpes damage.

Also try tea that has nutmeg and feverfew.
The pain in the jaw area caused by trauma together with Herpes Zoster (and
tooth cavity infection I reckon in my case)
can be debilitatig; one of the worst type of pain.
'Been there; don't want to go there again!

Hey, Kate, good luck and let us know how things work for you.

Cheers,

Perl von Molson

> WOW! that was fun reading!
>
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> oh well...i'll just keep on keeping on...
> Kate
cwbrh - 22 Nov 2004 21:34 GMT
Thanks for the reply Perl!

Well, i got my test results back on Friday.  Seems that i have HSV1.  in
fact, i even know exactly how i got it looking back now.  a couple months
ago, my bf had a cold sore on his mouth.  i remember we were really
careful about not kissing/touching eachother while he had it, but i would
almost bet that either a few days before or after the sore was visible, we
must have engaged in oral sex and the virus made contact.  i am relieved to
know that it's HSV1 and not 2 as i've read that HSV1 most likely becomes
dormant after a first outbreak because of a natural immunity your body
builds.  i'd like to know from other people's personal experiences if this
is true or not.

regardless, i feel much better since last week.  remember i mentioned
Lotrisone and Cortisone?  actually, the correct name is Lotrimin.
Lotrimin is found in the athlethe's foot section of your grocery store and
cortisone is near the bandaids and ointments.  I began using the 50/50
mixture of the 2 and have had GREAT results.  i feel so much better
already that it's unbelievable.  The irritation and tingling went away
within the first 24 hours as well as the swelling.  I have been using the
mix for 4 days now and have consulted my doctor about using the 2
together.  she said the only problem that i have to worry about is that
they are steroid creams so they will thin my skin if i use them too much.

this is how i used the Lotrimin and Cortisone 10 Plus:
after urinating, i'd cleanse my skin with a disposable cleansing cloth
(Pond's disposable facial cleansers is what i used.  they're very mild and
they're already moist like a baby wipe).  then i'd put a pea size drop of
each of the Lotrimin and Cortisone onto a cotton ball or cotton pad.  i'd
mix the two together and then apply to the blisters.  The first day i
began using this, i used the cream mixture after every time i used the
restroom.  the second day, i used it every other time.  the 3rd day, only
as needed.  today, i put it on after my morning shower and will do so
again before bedtime.

as for the Lidocaine that my doctor prescribed...it's job is to "numb" the
area of the breakout.  I used it once and threw the tube away.  it burns
terribly and did not numb me at all.  and even with my insurance, it cost
me 20 bucks for one tube.

Valtrex is a twice daily pill taken orally for 10 days during the first
outbreak, and then in smaller doses for only 3 days at a time during
recurring outbreaks.  it can also be taken daily for prevention.  here's
the link for more info:

http://www.valtrex.com/about-valtrex/index.htm

in the meantime, i'm doing really great especially after being more
educated about this.  i feel more in control and back on track.  thanks
for the reply again!

sincerely,
kate
beatadje@email.com - 23 Nov 2004 00:48 GMT
Hey, Kate, just to let you know, I am a guy!
But I enjoy reading your posts! ;O)

Anyway, back to the topic, below, I've found a post in one of the sites
when searching for the "Lotrimin" in "google".
That doctor tells that, contrary to what it was known, that
quote "steroids weaken the immune system and trigger or spread herpes"
you can read his opinion; that is because, the Cortisone is a steroid
as
I reckon?

I did not tried any of the prescription drugs and I do not plan to do
it; so
I can't tell much about it; here are a bunch of folks that are
more into it for sure.

Perl von Molson

Subject: Is there topical treatment for lingering herpes lesions?
Topic Area: Misc.
Forum: The Dermatology Forum
Question Posted By: dave2000 on Friday, April 30, 2004

I'm 37 yr old male, very active and healthy, and was diagnosed with
genital herpes 10 weeks ago when I started a primary outbreak of
lesions in the pubic area. I was on 1g/day Valtrex (for suppressive
therapy because my girlfriend was diagnosed with hsv-2) prior to the
primary outbreak and have been on 3g/day for 10 weeks since the
outbreak began. The lesions were classic herpes lesions with a second
crop and they healed in 6 weeks, leaving a couple 1/4" scars. The
problem is that there is one lesion (or group of very small ones, not
sure if it is a lesion at all because it never had a puss head but it
must be herpes due to timing of occurence) about 1/4" diameter at the
tip of my penis that has not healed in the 10 weeks. The skin is very
dry, a little flakey, harder than the surrounding skin. It has been
about 4 weeks since the other lesions have all healed and this one
remains. I have had eczema on my penis (mostly on the shaft not tip)
for years (it seems caused from friction) and have used 1% or 1.5%
hydrocortizone once or twice daily to control it. I have read from a
managing herpes book written by MDs that steroids in hydrocortizone can
inhibit the immune system and healing herpes lesions so I have not
tried hydrocortizone on the lingering lesion. What over the counter
and/or perscription topical ointments would you suggest trying in order
of your preference? I would like to research your recommendations and
take that info. with me when I go see a dermatologist. Or if topical
therapy won't help, what other options are there, other oral drugs? Can
you recommend oral options as well for me to investigate further and
discuss with my doctor that perscribed Valtrex? Thanks

Answer Posted By: Derm-M.D.-ASR on Friday, April 30, 2004

Although the books say that steroids weaken the immune system and
trigger or spread herpes, that is more of a theoretical consideration
than a real-life one. You will most likely be able to use either a
steroid or one of the new nonsteroid creams (Protopic, Elidel), if the
dermatologist feels that's what's needed. I do agree that what has
persisted isn't herpes, though. Meantime, just use a bland moisturizer
and treat the area as gently as you can.

Best.

Dr. Rockoff

http://www.medhelp.org/perl6/dermatology/messages/32872a.html

> Thanks for the reply Perl!
>
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> sincerely,
> kate
cwbrh - 29 Nov 2004 18:45 GMT
Hello Perl!
Glad you like my posts...i'm very glad to have found this website as it
has been a wealth of information and help for me.  and i'm sorry about the
misunderstanding about you being a guy.  my bad...i apologize.

Thanks for the post about the steroid cream from the doctor.  I have used
Elidel before (as mentioned in the post), but on my back and arms as i
also have eczema.  I have noticed that with Elidel, the area heals but
after use of Elidel ceases, then the area becomes rashy again. I'm happy
that I have had success with the products i have used, though i have been
concerned if the blisters will re-appear once i discontinue use.  that
does not seem to be the case yet, but only time will tell.

may i ask?...are you HSV1 or HSV2?  I am really curious to speak to
someone that is HSV1 about their experiences.  I have so many questions.

thank you!
kate :)
Perl Molson - 09 Nov 2004 20:02 GMT
> > they work either way; for prevention there are a wide variety of other
> > dietary and exercise related methods, but that's not what you're
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> is and how stuff like benzoyl peroxide will react with salicylic acid
> and sulphur...I do not know.

Well, it's your experiment ;O) How do you understand this formula?
I've read somewhere about aspirin used in a topical formula for
herpes, I reckon; I although, never use aspirin myself and not intend
to do so; rather
willow bark or meadowsweet herb or other herbs that contain
salycilates.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682753.html
here is a description about the clotrimazole and I'm aware of all the
other components you want to use.

benzoyl peroxide -- (a white crystalline peroxide used in bleaching
(flour or oils or fats) and as a catalyst for free radical reactions)
more in here:
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a601026.html

> I don't often get outbreaks so all I can tell you is that I tried it
> and it didn't burn off my private parts or cause inflammation where
> none existed.
>
> I'm not promoting this as a cure...I'm just experimenting.

I am, actually, looking for a cure. I have a feeling there is a cure
it just needs
to be discovered. Not using lysine as a supplement or topical
it is my personal theory; the reason is so you let your body being
exposed
to viruses and letting it cope using its high defence mechanisms.
Once you use lysine or prescription drugs sucn as acyclovir, your body
will not use its potential at its fullest to overcome the viral
infection.

Another issue is dealing with the viral patterns in their fragmented
mechanisms; there are several symtoms associated with the herpes
virus; for example, if you have a tinggling sensation before the
virus has an O.B. use homeopahtic pill Rhux Toxicodendron
and the tinggling sensation will never reappear whenever the
prodrome will appear again.

If you've got muscle tenssion around the back of the neck (top of the
spine) areas, deal with it to strengthen it, for example do this
simple exercise such as holding your hands at the back, stretched
together, one hand holding the other and then reverse it with the
other hand.

A new pattern that the virus will reveal, I've figured,
it is the weakening of the tiny vessels of blood inside the nose.
Did you ever experienced some sort of fragility of those arteries
before an OB
or before you've got a cold?

Now, I'm thinking of dealing with this problem by taking pottasium
supplements
vitamin C and antianemia herbal tea.

Thus, through the identification of the symptoms herpes specific, one
by one, the herpes will lose the battles, one by one along its way
towards an O.B. and in the and the war against herpes will be won.

When/(I hope it will never happen to have another O.B. of course) I'll
feel that I might have another cold sore coming, I will  try the
homeopathic pill "Arsenicum Album"
http://www.abchomeopathy.com/r.php/Ars

I'm not
> against using scrip medicines so please no flames from the 'go to your
> doc, he knows best' people OK?

Don't be discouraged by a "Mickey Mouse" that will try flamming in
here.

>  
>
> Where can you get lemon balm?

You've got to look around; I recommend Polish stores for European
herbs (medicinal teas)
and Vietnamese stores for Asian herbs, although they can carry
imported herbs as well. They seem to have a great variety of herbs in
the tea form. Health food
stores carry less exotic herbs and more herbal pills; these later
stores have
great nice looking packages but the content its somewhat mediocre;
they are very
pricey, too.

Lemon balm in the form of a cream, which is supposedly the best
formula
used in Europe, I could not find it for purchase yet. Only in tea
form.

Perl von Molson
drew - 10 Nov 2004 06:05 GMT
> > Thanx.  mixed 2mls of creams with 8%sulphur, and 2% salicylic acid,
> > 3mls of 5% benzoyl peroxide, clotrimazole 1%, 1ml (in case yeast is
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> willow bark or meadowsweet herb or other herbs that contain
> salycilates.

Depending upon your age, ASA may be recommended.  I am a man of a
certain age; ie close to 50 so trifles such as herpes should be less
of a concern than myocardial infarction due to coronary artery
occlusion.  In my case the virus has no chance unless my tortoise-like
epidermis is compromised and that only happens when yeast overgrowth
inflames the skin.  It is for a significant other that I  am
concerned.  Low PH is necessary to prevent candida; and candida is the
trigger for me, hence the ASA.

ASA is a miracle drug.  Don't hesitate to add 80mg/day to your regimen
if you are approaching middle-age.

Sulphur is an age-old remedy for inflammations of the skin.  As the
virus cannot survive in the presence of oxygen, peroxide (H202) will
provide the surface oxygenation that inhibits viral viability.  As you
are aware Melissa Sp. is effective against herpes viruses.  I don't
know about the lysine.  I suspect it is more effective orally.  It can
probably be left out and is probably at worst, ineffective.  The other
ingredients are found in other anti-herpetic topical preparations;
algae and cat's claw in particular seem to be common to most
preparations that I have seen.  The same can be said of zinc, an
ingredient in many topical ointments.

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/medmaster/a682753.html
> here is a description about the clotrimazole and I'm aware of all the
> other components you want to use.

Clotrmazole is an effective anti-fungal preparation.

> I am, actually, looking for a cure. I have a feeling there is a cure
> it just needs
> to be discovered. Not using lysine as a supplement or topical
> it is my personal theory; the reason is so you let your body being
> exposed
> to viruses and letting it cope using its high defence mechanisms.

So you will not be satisfied unless you no longer test positive for
antibodies?  If you have no symptoms, are you not effectively cured?
Yes, I know, there is that issue of viral transfer.  Of course there
is a cure.  Probably more than one.



> If you've got muscle tenssion around the back of the neck (top of the
> spine) areas, deal with it to strengthen it, for example do this
> simple exercise such as holding your hands at the back, stretched
> together, one hand holding the other and then reverse it with the
> other hand.

I've never had any symptoms other than an occasional minor skin
irritation and mental depression.  Unfortunately I am infectious.

> Thus, through the identification of the symptoms herpes specific, one
> by one, the herpes will lose the battles, one by one along its way
> towards an O.B. and in the and the war against herpes will be won.

If I have no symptoms, I will happily provide a home for benign
viruses.

> Don't be discouraged by a "Mickey Mouse" that will try flamming in
> here.

I'm a pugilist by nature. ;--)

> >  
> >
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> used in Europe, I could not find it for purchase yet. Only in tea
> form.

Some vendors claim to have this as their main ingredient in topical
preparations.  I wonder where they get it.

Drew
Perl Molson - 14 Nov 2004 20:59 GMT
> > they work either way; for prevention there are a wide variety of other
> > dietary and exercise related methods, but that's not what you're
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> 3mls of 5% benzoyl peroxide, clotrimazole 1%, 1ml (in case yeast is
> involved too), colloidal silver 6ppm,
I've taken a couple of times an ayurvedic paste, that contain "silver
foil"
together with a bunch of ayurvedic herbs; I don't know if that's
considered colloidal silver or not.

4mls, vitamin C, 250 mg

vitamin C in high ammount can trigger OB I've read somethere
I've also read the opposite that is to use vitamin C as much as
your tollerance of the intestine allows you to when having an OB

,
> selenium 100 ug,

selenium poisoning when way too much selenium its been taken orally
which is not the case here as topical I use selenium as a pill
quite often. Even combined with zinc in a paste such as your paste you
mention here, only your formula is more complex (indeed, a good ideea,
considering
that the paste I've used will not do a great deal by itself; it needs
other stuff as well).

zinc as gluconate, 50mg,

Zinc gluconate? Zinc I've recall, it's best used in the combinations
such as zinc sulfate , like in the formula I've used, that is
"Lipactin"
please see below ( on top of this, I've used at least 2 other topical
formulas
that contain zinc, such as zinc oxide, from a diaper rush ointment for
babies
(Yes! that's true, I've read somewhere about it, using this stuff for
cold sores
as topical unguent or for any other herpes sores) also zinc chloride
in
"orajel" formula - I've wrote about it before if you search under my
username,
it's a compund in a formula that carry benzocaine, used to bring the
skin together when having a cold sore, in a gel formula; it works ok
but I think
lipactin it's much more efficient for that matter)

LIPACTIN®
Novartis Consumer Health
Heparin Sodium - Zinc Sulfate
Symptomatic Treatment of Herpes Simplex I

Action And Clinical Pharmacology: Lipactin is composed of heparin and
zinc for topical application. Topical application of heparin produces
accumulation of the heparin molecules in the corium of the skin while
insignificant amounts are absorbed through the skin. Oral
administration of heparin is associated with negligible anticoagulant
effect as heparin is immediately metabolized in the gastrointestinal
tract and not absorbed from aqueous solution.

Absorption of zinc through broken skin when applied in the
concentrations used in Lipactin does not produce significant increases
in serum and tissue concentrations of zinc.

Clinical studies have indicated Lipactin significantly reduces the
duration of pain associated with HSV I infections when compared with
placebo. There is also a statistically significant increase in the
rate of healing of perioral and lip lesions when compared to placebo
preparations.

One study compared Lipactin to placebo in 54 patients with Herpes
labialis. In the Lipactin treated group (n=23), 96% had resolution of
at least 2 of their initial symptoms within 3 days. This compared to
the placebo group (n=31) in which only 45% of patients had resolution
of 2 or more symptoms within the first 3 days. The same study
demonstrated that 83% of the patients in the Lipactin group were
completely healed within 7 days, compared to 26% in the placebo group.

Indications And Clinical Uses: For the relief and management of
symptoms due to lip and perioral infections of Herpes Simplex Virus
type I. This includes Herpes labialis, Herpes febrilis, fever blisters
and cold sores.

Early initiation of therapy, within 3 days of the onset of signs and
symptoms of infection or re-infection, has been found to produce
faster healing than treatment commenced after 3 days of symptoms.

Treatment should be continued until healing is complete or to a
maximum of 14 days, whichever comes first.

Contra-Indications: In individuals who are hypersensitive to heparin
sodium, zinc sulfate or parabens. tag_WarningWarnings

Manufacturers' Warnings In Clinical States: For external use only. The
gel is not for ophthalmic use.

Children and Pregnancy: Safe use of the gel in children or in pregnant
women has not been established. Use only as directed by a physician in
children and pregnant women.

Precautions: If the symptoms of the infection persist or become more
severe or wide-spread with treatment, use of the medication should be
discontinued and a physician consulted.

Adverse Reactions: In a few cases, a mild transient burning sensation
has been experienced at the site of application.

Isolated cases of local hypersensitivity reactions have been reported;
in such cases, use of the product should be discontinued.

Dosage And Administration: Apply Lipactin to the affected area(s) 3 to
6 times a day. A sufficient quantity of the gel should be applied to
adequately cover all lesions and a margin of healthy skin surrounding
them.

Therapy should be initiated as early as possible following the onset
of signs and/or symptoms, i.e. tingling, burning, vesiculation etc.
Treatment should be continued until healing is complete or to a
maximum of 14 days, whichever comes first.

Availability And Storage: Each g of clear, colorless, odorless gel
contains: heparin sodium 160 USP units and zinc sulfate 5 mg.
Nonmedicinal ingredients: glycerin, methyl parahydroxybenzoate,
polysorbate, propyl parahydroxybenzoate, sodium carboxymethylcellulose
and water. Alcohol- and bisulfite-free. Tubes of 3 g.

grape seed extract 50 mg,
used this as well. I still don't know is this from the grapefruit
seeds
or from the grapes' seeds.

> cat's claw bark 500 mg,

I've used this very recently as infussion.

spirulina, 500 mg,
used as well

olive leaf, 500 mg,

olive leaf seems to work best for canker sores.

St.
> John's Wort,

used, too as infussions

lysine. mentioned above

> I'm not a chemist, I'm not a physician.  All I'm doing is mixing
> together some things that I know work, and a bunch of other stuff that
> other people have written about.  It mixes together ok.  How stable it
> is and how stuff like benzoyl peroxide will react with salicylic acid
> and sulphur...I do not know.

hmmm, sulphur, I don't know much about it and it doesn't sound
to me like something very safe (unless in a certain safe compound
such as MSM or even vegetables like broccoli).

BTW, how did you find sulphur as an ingridient for your experiment?

What I would use is Sulphur as homeopathic pill (hepar sulphuris).
If you read about it and it matches your description I think
it's a great ideea to try it.
I've never tried this yet but it is on my list together with lemon
balm
topical cream for the eventually coming future OB's.
(I kind of changed a bit the pattern in my cure theory
since I'm now starting to take lysine; I've been through several years
of trial for high ammount of arginine consumption with no lysine, in
order to get
my body used to tolerate arginine).

> I don't often get outbreaks so all I can tell you is that I tried it
> and it didn't burn off my private parts or cause inflammation where
> none existed.

So you are saying that the OB was like a cut in the lips or other
areas?
Cracked skin or so? Without inflammated  areas like blisters and such?
That's how for most people including myself an OB was looking like.

> I'm not promoting this as a cure...I'm just experimenting.  I'm not
> against using scrip medicines so please no flames from the 'go to your
> doc, he knows best' people OK?

no worries here, I've actually read that some doctors are
particularilly advicing folks not to take acyclovir and such, thus
letting their bodies
cope with the virus in a more direct way, allowing their immune system
to
develop in its battle against the virus (which in the case of
prescription
drugs would be minimised - not good)
>  
>
> Where can you get lemon balm?

I have found a pharmacy in the city I live, I'll chech it out
tommorow; they supposedly carry such stuff (told by a pharmacist).
I'll let you know when I find the cream.

Perl von Molson
drew - 20 Nov 2004 05:33 GMT
> ,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> such as zinc sulfate , like in the formula I've used, that is
> "Lipactin"

You are right.  It is recommended as zinc sulfate.  I didn't have it
at the time.

>  grape seed extract 50 mg,
> used this as well. I still don't know is this from the grapefruit
> seeds
> or from the grapes' seeds.

Grapefruit seed extract works great against yeast....what I thought I
had in the first place.  Grape seed extract is that; from the grape,
not the grapefruit.  I've never used grape seed extract but I can tell
you, it is a lot cheaper than grapefruit seed extract.

> hmmm, sulphur, I don't know much about it and it doesn't sound
> to me like something very safe (unless in a certain safe compound
> such as MSM or even vegetables like broccoli).

They put a lot of sulphur in acne medication such as Clearasil.  It's
been around for many years.  Quite safe on the skin.  It will dry out
a skin lesion; prevent it from spreading to surrounding skin.

> since I'm now starting to take lysine; I've been through several years
> of trial for high ammount of arginine consumption with no lysine, in
> order to get
> my body used to tolerate arginine).

I've never taken lysine.  I eat lots of seeds and nuts.  Hardly ever
get outbreaks.  But then I had no idea I was treating H...thought I
was treating yeast.

> > I don't often get outbreaks so all I can tell you is that I tried it
> > and it didn't burn off my private parts or cause inflammation where
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Cracked skin or so? Without inflammated  areas like blisters and such?
> That's how for most people including myself an OB was looking like.

Flaking, itching, redness....no blisters.  Responds to anti-fungal
topicals.

> no worries here, I've actually read that some doctors are
> particularilly advicing folks not to take acyclovir and such, thus
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> prescription
> drugs would be minimised - not good)

Had I known, I probably would have gone on prescription
meds....instead I treated it with a strict diet, vitamins and
topicals. No lysine, no acyclovir.  I'm fine now.
> >  

Drew
Perl Molson - 21 Nov 2004 02:47 GMT
> > ,
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> You are right.  It is recommended as zinc sulfate.  I didn't have it
> at the time.

So what was the exact formula where you've found zinc sulfate? Did you
use
Lipactin, too?

> >  grape seed extract 50 mg,
> > used this as well. I still don't know is this from the grapefruit
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> not the grapefruit.  I've never used grape seed extract but I can tell
> you, it is a lot cheaper than grapefruit seed extract.

always good to know; surely good for you anyway, due to its high
antioxidant content.

> > hmmm, sulphur, I don't know much about it and it doesn't sound
> > to me like something very safe (unless in a certain safe compound
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> been around for many years.  Quite safe on the skin.  It will dry out
> a skin lesion; prevent it from spreading to surrounding skin.

Active Ingredients: Resorcinol 2% (Acne Medication), Sulfur 8% (Acne
Medication)
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod.asp?pid=16510&catid=13549&brand=8188&trx=
BS-8188&trxp1=HPFP&trxp2=0&trxp3=16510&btrx=BS-8188


I'll might try this cream (if I'll find it for purchase) out.
The highly important thing about herpes is that, apparently
the acne comes often together with the herpes (or prior to an OB).
It may be from the fats unprocessed by the liver, I reckon.
That's again, a great ideea to try sulphur but, like I've said, MSM
can be another option (maybe better?)

http://www.holista.com/product.aspx?pid=28
For example, this cream, has a hack of a lot of natural ingredients
(such as frankincense, shea butter, beeswax, devil's claw, evening
primrose, rosemary,
peppermint etc) and
I've mixed a couple of teaspoons to my other home-made crem that I've
made.
MSM supposedly helps with the penetration of all this mixture,
allowing
the skin to carry easier the nutrients.

> > since I'm now starting to take lysine; I've been through several years
> > of trial for high ammount of arginine consumption with no lysine, in
> > order to get
> > my body used to tolerate arginine).
>
> I've never taken lysine.  

see below.

I eat lots of seeds and nuts.  

I do, too; I just love eating them if they are fresh in their own
shell and
they seem to be high in Arginine.

Hardly ever
> get outbreaks.  But then I had no idea I was treating H...thought I
> was treating yeast.

When I first went to a doctor I've also got medication to treat
a yeast infection, even though I don't think I had that; it was
genital herpes.
Go figure...doc's...oh well

> > > I don't often get outbreaks so all I can tell you is that I tried it
> > > and it didn't burn off my private parts or cause inflammation where
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Flaking, itching, redness....no blisters.  Responds to anti-fungal
> topicals.

I do have herpes I believe both 1 and 2 (not sure about
the location but I would have to guess both at the either side (mouth
and
genital area); (well I should pretty soon start talking with "I had"
but the 'ASH prescription drugs gang' it's hanging around in the group
and they are an envyous bunch, you know)

So Drew, you are saying you don't think you have herpes?
I can assure you, if someone has a cronic infection, he/she 'll know
it!

> > no worries here, I've actually read that some doctors are
> > particularilly advicing folks not to take acyclovir and such, thus
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> topicals. No lysine, no acyclovir.  I'm fine now.
> > >  

Like I've said in one of my posts (some days ago), I've started taking
Lysine on a
occassional basis.

I've read about another amino-acid, called  L-proline it is supposed
to
be a component (or such) of Arginine? Linus Pauling has had
recommended its use
together with vitamin C and Lysine on a daily basis or such.
I will definitely look-up for this L-proline.

Perl von Molson

> Drew
Katie - 10 Nov 2004 04:36 GMT
I wish you all had been around years ago when I had my initial
out-break and the subsequent not-as-bad ones.  Now, I'm fortunate only
to get the pain in the backs of the thighs and the very mild sores
every now and again -- I'd say, three times a year or so.  I was on
Valtrex at the beginning, but haven't taken that in 5 or so years.
Seem to be doing fine.  I just dose up with aspirin when I get the
pain-in-the-leg going on.  It usually lasts a couple days.

I was diagnosed in '97 when I was in my 30's.  I have a theory that
hormones also play a role in eruptions.  The older I get, the less I'm
plagued by outbreaks.  That's a good thing, as I'm fighting off
symptoms of peri-menopause as best as I can.  You think PMS is bad?
Try it times 10.  My mother AND my daughter both told me what I didn't
realize what was happening to me.  How would you like to feel
homicidal all the time; this isn't including regular road rage.  I
have no husband or live-in or children, so HOW could I have felt so
angry?  My mother & daughter suggested peri-menopause.  Quick was I to
find a solution!  There's a concoction made by GNC called
PhytoEstrogen.  Buy it!  Take it!  It's saved me.  I'm on my 4th
bottle now.  What a difference!!!  I can't imagine going back to how I
felt.

As for breakouts, I believe they just come less after you don't stress
about them coming at inopportune times.  It's just like that big
pimple on your nose that pops up right before a big date as a teen.
There are times, of course, that you all of a sudden get a clue that
you're either in outbreak mode or shedding.  Why else would you get a
pain in the leg?  Nothing else, just that.  As far as I've read,
there's really nothing else but aspirin that helps.  There's nothing
else that keeps our outbreaks at bay.  I'd try any homeopathic
suggestion.  Why take Valtrex every day when I don't have a problem
with outbreaks but a few times a year?
drew - 10 Nov 2004 15:42 GMT
> I wish you all had been around years ago when I had my initial
> out-break and the subsequent not-as-bad ones.  Now, I'm fortunate only
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Seem to be doing fine.  I just dose up with aspirin when I get the
> pain-in-the-leg going on.  It usually lasts a couple days.

Sounds like you've got it under control.

> I was diagnosed in '97 when I was in my 30's.  I have a theory that
> hormones also play a role in eruptions.

Others have forwarded that theory.  It's probably true for many women
(and who knows, maybe for some men also), but if you read the
literature, the official word seems to be that the mentstrual cycle
doesn't affect outbreaks.  Go figure.

The older I get, the less I'm
> plagued by outbreaks.

The herp effects supposedly weaken over time.  All anecdotal reports
and official writing seems to support that.

That's a good thing, as I'm fighting off
> symptoms of peri-menopause as best as I can.  You think PMS is bad?
> Try it times 10.  My mother AND my daughter both told me what I didn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> bottle now.  What a difference!!!  I can't imagine going back to how I
> felt.

Spread the word.  What about oil of primrose?  Isn't that supposed to
help also?

> As for breakouts, I believe they just come less after you don't stress
> about them coming at inopportune times.  It's just like that big
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> else that keeps our outbreaks at bay.  I'd try any homeopathic
> suggestion.  

Sure. Aspirin is good and safe for most people.  You say you'd try any
'homeopathic' suggestion.  Have you tried any?  The way I figure it,
read as much as you can about the products with known anti-herpetic
properties and try a few of the commmercially available products with
ingredients that look promising.  What have you got to lose but a
little hard-earned cash and maybe some herp?  I'm surprised at the
negativity of some in this group with respect to treating their own
problem.   I believe that if you leave the treatment of your ailments
to healthcare providers alone, you will be lucky if you get optimum
relief.  Most physicians (I'll even go out on a limb and say all
physicians) don't have the time to evaluate your specific problem and
prescribe a course of treatment that is necessarily suitable.  It is a
totally black-box approach...disease A gets treatment B.  If that
doesn't work it's "Sorry, nothing can be done for you. Learn to live
with it."  Seldom will you get a physcian to even suggest a change of
diet or the commencement of an exercise program.  Too time consuming.
Too difficult to monitor.  Not very profitable.
Perl Molson - 14 Nov 2004 21:10 GMT
> I wish you all had been around years ago when I had my initial
> out-break and the subsequent not-as-bad ones.  Now, I'm fortunate only
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> suggestion.  Why take Valtrex every day when I don't have a problem
> with outbreaks but a few times a year?

Katie, I cannot reccomend a homeopathic pill since it would not
be adviceble via Internet ( I am not a professional also).
In my case, in order to take one single homeopathic pill, I would
study at least a year to see if it would match the right description
of
my symptoms!

If you consider you are capable of self diagnosting yourself
and self administering such homeopathic pills, you can read
some homeopathic books where they describe them regarding herpes.

Go for it, really. It can do miracles. You just have to match the
right one.
(a pill will be a sugar pill containing the homeopathic substance that
you
will disolve it under your tongue) You have to see if you need 6x or
30x (more
"powerfull that is more dilluted"); also one single pill can do the
job
other times you might need 3 pills a day for 4 days or something like
that;
you see, it depends for each person and I'm not able to tell you what
do you need to take.

You need, in my opinion, to invest some time researching, looking
around,
asking homeopaths or some other knowledgeable people, reading books,
Internet, etc.

Perl von Molson
Perl Molson - 15 Nov 2004 16:48 GMT
> Has anybody in this group experimented with home made anti-herp
> topical or oral remedies?  If so, I would like to know what works for
> you.  There seem to be a lot of products that are non-prescription
> with documented anti-herp effects.  I am concocting my own.  Anybody
> care to trade recipes?

A question for you, Drew.

I've tried all the pharmacies, health food stores in the town I live
and they don't seem to carry Melissa Balm cream.

I can buy the herb though, whether in bulk or tea bags.
Any ideea on how to make your own cream using it? What kind of alcohol
do I require.

P.S. I cannot immagine why there is no Melissa cream for purchase
since I've seen almost all other types of creams (you name the herb they carry
the cream) in town. Weird. Maybe Acyclovir Mafia was taking care of this?
Since it works better than any prescription drugs... ;O)

Perl Molson
M.L.S. - 15 Nov 2004 17:45 GMT
>> Has anybody in this group experimented with home made anti-herp
>> topical or oral remedies?  If so, I would like to know what works for
>> you.  There seem to be a lot of products that are non-prescription
>> with documented anti-herp effects.  I am concocting my own.  Anybody
>> care to trade recipes?

>A question for you, Drew.

>I've tried all the pharmacies, health food stores in the town I live
>and they don't seem to carry Melissa Balm cream.

>I can buy the herb though, whether in bulk or tea bags.
>Any ideea on how to make your own cream using it? What kind of alcohol
>do I require.

>P.S. I cannot immagine why there is no Melissa cream for purchase
>since I've seen almost all other types of creams (you name the herb they carry
>the cream) in town. Weird. Maybe Acyclovir Mafia was taking care of this?

Weeeeeeeeeeeee Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Yeah, sure, Perlie.

But here, let Froogle be your Friend:

http://www.google.com/froogle?q=Melissa+Balm&btnG=Search+Froogle&scoring=p

Or you could invest the money in a new tin foil beany.  ;-)

Mike

>Since it works better than any prescription drugs... ;O)
>
>Perl Molson
Perl Molson - 16 Nov 2004 13:15 GMT
>  
> >> Has anybody in this group experimented with home made anti-herp
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>
> http://www.google.com/froogle?q=Melissa+Balm&btnG=Search+Froogle&scoring=p

I've already found the way to fix the problem.
Making my own home-made cream. It's the best.
Same as the cookies.

> Or you could invest the money in a new tin foil beany.  ;-)
>
> Mike

Is that right?

silver foil actually contain large ammounts of silver ions.

> >Since it works better than any prescription drugs... ;O)
> >
> >Perl Molson
drew - 16 Nov 2004 17:09 GMT
> A question for you, Drew.
>
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> Any ideea on how to make your own cream using it? What kind of alcohol
> do I require.

Do you mean the aqueous extract from lemon balm or something to
dissolve the extract into?

The aqueous extract is probably best for topical application.  If I
find out how to extract it from leaves, I'll post it.

As far as a solvent for dissolving the aqueous extract is concerned, I
have seen benzyl alcohol 1% in commercially available lemon balm
preparations.

Lemon balm apparently will grow like a weed in your backyard...very
opportunistic plant, quite common.
Perl Molson - 17 Nov 2004 18:10 GMT
> > A question for you, Drew.
> >
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> Lemon balm apparently will grow like a weed in your backyard...very
> opportunistic plant, quite common.

I'm fine, I guess, I've found the method from one of my books:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0789467852/ref=sib_dp_pt/102-9121698-9118504#rea
der-link


The book offers a chapters "Making herbal remedies" at page 152 so I
am fine now.
You can find this book easily, whether at a bookstore or library.
There
are pictorials as well on top of some measuring descriptions (cannot
post in here) so I recommend you to check this out if you're
interested too.

Perl von Molson
Perl Molson - 15 Nov 2004 19:58 GMT
> Has anybody in this group experimented with home made anti-herp
> topical or oral remedies?  If so, I would like to know what works for
> you.  There seem to be a lot of products that are non-prescription
> with documented anti-herp effects.  I am concocting my own.  Anybody
> care to trade recipes?

Well, here is a super cream I've made today!:

https://www.feelbest.com/shop/product_display.cfm?itemID=05932302020&subcat=190
if you check that link, I happen to have that particular Calendula
Extract bottle
of an oily cream, that contain:
petrolatum, mineral oil, soybean oil, tocopherylacetate, lanolin,
peanut oil,
calendula officinalis oil, isopropyl myristate, walnut extract, carrot
extract, fragrance;

what I did, I've put in a mixer Prunella Vulgaris, Melissa Officinalis
and Cat's Claw Bark; after making a powder out of these 3 herbs,
I've added to the content of that Calendula Extract and mixed these
together.

I believe this is the BEST ever made cream for treating Herpes!
I've never heared of anything better this!

If having another OB, I will use a cube of ice first, to soothe the
blister(s).
That would require 3-5 minutes ice on/off several times.

After this, I will apply "garlic oil" to the affected area.

In a few hours, I will wash this away and apply the new made cream
called: "Perl von Molson" cream.

This should do it for good( hmmm, maybe cure?).

Perl von Molson
Perl Molson - 21 Nov 2004 02:12 GMT
> > Has anybody in this group experimented with home made anti-herp
> > topical or oral remedies?  If so, I would like to know what works for
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>
> Perl von Molson

On top of these, I've added to the recipe
3/4 of a teaspoon of dried ginger and
1/2 of jalopenio pepper powder. It is supposed to
make the cream more adherent, also it slows down the viral
speed along the axon and it's antiinflamatory, antipain etc.

Found out about it in a home-remedy bood the other day.
This type of cream, which can be made with the mentioned ingredients,
can vary in its whole composition depending of personal preference.
I believe, however, that the cream I've wrote in here the way it is right
now, should be quite powerfull.
Not sure though, if just adding that mixture of lemon balm, P.V., C.C.B.
would be sufficient enough to provide the needed content from these
herbs or they need to be extracted through other means.

Perl von Molson
M.L.S. - 21 Nov 2004 03:13 GMT
>On top of these, I've added to the recipe
>3/4 of a teaspoon of dried ginger and
>1/2 of jalopenio pepper powder. It is supposed to
>make the cream more adherent, also it slows down the viral
>speed along the axon

A)  Who says so?
B)  What difference does it make?
C)  Which of the two propositions in that sentence are you more sure
of?

>                                  and it's antiinflamatory, antipain etc.

Unless it causes inflammation or pain, of course.

>Found out about it in a home-remedy bood the other day.

Well, then, you know it must be true.

>This type of cream, which can be made with the mentioned ingredients,
>can vary in its whole composition depending of personal preference.

Of course it can.  It can do whatever you think it can do.
Depending on personal preference.

>I believe, however, that the cream I've wrote in here the way it is right
>now, should be quite powerfull.
>Not sure though, if just adding that mixture of lemon balm, P.V., C.C.B.
>would be sufficient enough to provide the needed content from these
>herbs or they need to be extracted through other means.

No, I think the simplest approach is the best, don't you?

Mike
beatadje@email.com - 22 Nov 2004 17:56 GMT
yeah, I've added more stuff to it:
I had some powder of Witch Hazel, then powder of Rose and powder of
Walnut leaf( not 100% about this one, bought the powder a couple of
years ago
together with all the other powders from a health food store; it must
be it,
it looks like it and I don't recall purchasing other similar stuff).

then a myoflex cream that contain triethanolamine salicylate 15% w/w in
a greaseless, nonstaining, odorless, vanishing cream base. Nonmedicinal
ingredients: cetyl alcohol, EDTA, lavender oil, propylene glycol,
sodium lauryl sulfate, stearyl alcohol and white wax.
http://www.rxmed.com/b.main/b2.pharmaceutical/b2.1.monographs/CPS-%20Monographs/
CPS-%20(General%20Monographs-%20M)/MYOFLEX.html


I've also added to it, ngredient Information

Active Ingredients: 27% antioxidant Vitamin E (tocopheryl acetate) with
Swiss Alpine herbs (fennel, hops, chamomile, balm mint and mistletoe).
http://www.hbees.com/jalavie30ulr.html

It looks good, this cream; I like it ;O)
has balm mint as you can see( I reckon that should be lemon balm)

Perl von Molson

> >On top of these, I've added to the recipe
> >3/4 of a teaspoon of dried ginger and
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>
> Mike
 
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