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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / January 2005The cold sore that ate Cleveland!
Hi folks! First time poster. Well, the last cold sore I had was 15 years ago, and it was a doozy--about the size of a dime on my lip that wouldn't go away. I was prescribed zorivax ointment (at the time, I didn't think that cold sores could be treated, so I suffered nedlessly for 2 weeks until I saw a doctor for an untrelated condition) and it went away pretty fast. I remember being amazed. Well, after 15 years it's back, and bigger than ever! Same place, same damage. It looked like someone punched me in the lip! I just got the ointment again, and am loading up on lysine, b vitamins, lysine cream, and abreva cream. So, why am I posting? 'Cos this time my whole face kindof hurts, I have a swollen lymph node on my neck on the same side. I'm nervous, 'cos a few years ago, I had bell's palsy. It was on the other side of my face, and they don't think it was herpetic, since I didn't have cold sores or cold beforehand. Condsidering all this, so I need to be scared, or just ride out my fat, crusty lip for a week... How long does it take for treatment of this. I can't remember. Any other tips you guys can give me would be greatly appreciated!! Thanks, Mike A good way to treat this cold sore by killing the active virus that is causing it, thus helping to disinfect it as well so that you will not end up self-infecting elsewhere on your body, or infecting others, can be found here: www.ColdSoreGone.com Viroxyn. Look it up. I hope it helps. Allen > Hi folks! First time poster. Well, the last cold sore I had was 15 > years ago, and it was a doozy--about the size of a dime on my lip that [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Mike This is about the most hilarious post I've seen on the newsgroup yet!! lol :) >A good way to treat this cold sore by killing the active virus To be clear.. there is NO way to wipe out the Herpes Simplex Virus from a person's body. > that is > causing it, thus helping to disinfect it as well so that you will not end > up > self-infecting elsewhere on your body, Once you have antibodies in your system there is no way to cause autoinnoculation. Autoinnoculation is only possible when a person contracts Herpes Simplex Virus for the first time and has no antibodies. Lastly, you can't contract something that you already have OR (let me refraise that) you can't re-get or contract Herpes Simplex Virus over and over again. > or infecting others, can be found Speaking of infecting others.. the stuff you are selling has not been proven AND it does not cut transmission to a non-infected partner in half AND it doesn't reduce asymptomatic shedding OR frequency and intensity of outbreaks. Happy Holidays!! Angela :) www.yoshi2me.com involves cranial nerve #7. HSV sequesters its DNA in nerve cells. the two could very well be related. My inclination would be to seek out a neurology consult. Others may see this as overkill, not the least of which, the insurance company, if one had health insurance. Web www.ColdSoreGone.com > involves cranial nerve #7. > > HSV sequesters its DNA in nerve cells. > > the two could very well be related. This is interesting to me. Do you have a reference for this? It is my understanding that HSV-1 lies dormant in nerve ganglia, and when triggered, travels down the same nerve channel to erupt as a lesion on the lip (if above the belt) - usually in the same place. Is that what you are saying, too? Allen > My inclination would be to seek out a neurology consult. Others may see > this as overkill, not the least of which, the insurance company, if one > had health insurance. Web www.ColdSoreGone.com wrote: > This is about the most hilarious post I've seen on the newsgroup yet!! lol > :) It is? > >A good way to treat this cold sore by killing the active virus > > To be clear.. there is NO way to wipe out the Herpes Simplex Virus from a > person's body. I never claimed that there was a way to do that. When I was referring to the "active virus", I meant the virus that was causing the herpetic lesion. Viroxyn certainly does kill any HSV-1 with which it comes into contact. It is an anti-septic which kills the virus that is causing the lesion by stripping its protective lipid coat. > > that is > > causing it, thus helping to disinfect it as well so that you will not end [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > can't contract something that you already have OR (let me refraise that) you > can't re-get or contract Herpes Simplex Virus over and over again. Thank you for this information. I did not know the information you gave about anti-bodies and auto-innoculation. Sorry for my ignorance. However, as I'm sure you know, herpes is infectious. And if you apply Viroxyn to the HSV-1 virus, you are going to kill it so it will no longer be infectious. That is what it is designed to do, and that is what it does. > > or infecting others, can be found > > Speaking of infecting others.. the stuff you are selling has not been proven > AND it does not cut transmission to a non-infected partner in half AND it > doesn't reduce asymptomatic shedding OR frequency and intensity of > outbreaks. Thanks Angela. But it has been proven to do exactly what I've said it does. And you're right, it has not been proven to do the things you mentioned. Nor does it claim to. Happy Holidays to you, too! Allen >When I was referring to the "active virus", I meant the virus that was >causing the herpetic lesion. Viroxyn certainly does kill any HSV-1 with >which it comes into contact. It is an anti-septic which kills the virus that >is causing the lesion by stripping its protective lipid coat. Hey, Stupid Spammer, read this: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.purelip.com/competitors/viroxyn.shtml Competitive Product Viroxyn® is a Consumer Rip-Off Other than water and rubbing alcohol, the ingredient in the product Viroxyn® is benzalkonium chloride, 0.13%, which is a generic ingredient used in Bactine®, generic topical antiseptics, spermicides, handy wipes, etc. Benzalkonium chloride is widely available in numerous drugstore products and from numerous wholesale distributors. Wholesale, it costs about 15 cents per ML on the open market. (Exhibit A) Advertised and sold online, Viroxyn is an unconscionable consumer rip-off: Marketed with fanciful clinical prose, in reality Viroxyn provides a generic medicine (at a 0.13% concentration) in a miniscule amount of product (0.60 ML), for $37.95. That works out to be $48,653.85 per ML for a generic ingredient that is available for 15 cents per ML anywhere else! (Exhibit A) Somebody call the consumer watchdog groups before our nation goes broke and the global economy collapses! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mike > >When I was referring to the "active virus", I meant the virus that was > >causing the herpetic lesion. Viroxyn certainly does kill any HSV-1 with [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Mike Thanks for the information. It's always good to know what companies with competing products say about you. I'm sure their product is very good for some people. Allen > When I was referring to the "active virus", I meant the virus that was > causing the herpetic lesion. Viroxyn certainly does kill any HSV-1 with > which it comes into contact. It is an anti-septic which kills the virus > that > is causing the lesion by stripping its protective lipid coat. First of all.. you can not kill the Herpes Simplex Virus. The Herpes Simplex Virus Resides in the Ganglia and when it's active travels the nerve pathways to the surface of the skin. Sometimes you can see and feel the symptoms on the surface of the skin and sometimes you can't. There is NO WAY to kill HSV-1 or HSV-2. The only thing you can do is to treat the symptoms in order to shorten the length and severity of a flare up. Also.. your so called herpes product does absolutely NOTHING for asymptomatic shedding or the reduction of transmission. >> > that is >> > causing it, thus helping to disinfect it as well so that you will not [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > it > will no longer be infectious. Excuse me.. what part of what I said earlier did you not understand?? lol You CAN NOT kill the Herpes Simplex Virus. The only time a person is infectious is when the virus is active on the surface of the skin. That is either on the form of an outbreak that you can see and feel OR asymptomatically which you CAN NOT see and feel. > That is what it is designed to do, and that is what it does. No.. it does not!! lol >> > or infecting others, can be found >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Allen Yes.. Happy Holidays Allen.. No matter what you are selling.. your products will NOT and DO NOT KILL the Herpes Simplex Virus. Angela :-) <snip> >Yes.. Happy Holidays Allen.. No matter what you are selling.. your products >will NOT and DO NOT KILL the Herpes Simplex Virus. >Angela :-) Hi Yoshi and Merry Xmas (and all the other holidays, too) to you. The more I look at this Viroxyn thing, the more it looks like a big marketing scam. The product itself is absolutely nothing special. It's active ingredient has been around for years in the most basic of first aid ointments and salves. The ONLY distinguishing thing about it is the price the scammers have put on it. It's AT LEAST ten times too high. Further, if you can actually find the "study" that allegedly documents the efficacy of the stuff, it takes only a slightly practiced eye to see that the thing is complete BS. It's a "study", all right, a study in obfuscation and gobbledegook. The companies behind the thing have undoubtedly spent more on packaging and marketing than they ever spent on *inventing* a "Totally New and Effective Approach" to treating herpes. I'm sure these scumbag's lawyers have combed through all their marketing hype to remove anything that might bring notice from the FDA, etc., but there still might be something in there to make 'em nervous enough to have to contemplate a web-full of worthless elixir-peddlers. I recommend Pepto-Bismol. ;-) Mike ps. It's a funny thing, but the purported address of Quadex Pharmaceuticals, the *inventors* of Viroxyn, is just a few blocks from the address to which the F.D.A. sent its 1999 *Warning Letter* to Allen's company, Scientific Health Products. pps. Whoops. MapQuest says that Quadex's address doesn't exist. I wonder how many companies have fake mail addresses... Web www.ColdSoreGone.com > <snip> > The more I look at this Viroxyn thing, the more it looks like a big [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Mike It is very true that the active ingredient in Viroxyn is a safe and widely available anti-septic. You can find this anti-septic used in many emergency rooms of many hospitals, and it does exist in many other products, as well. It's called Benzalkonium Chloride. Its anti-septic properties are what make it work to kill the virus that it comes into contact with. I can understand that because there are so many ways that people have been betrayed by junk products, then there would be a suspicious reaction when something new came along. But the concept here is very simple, and after selling it and using it and seeing it used by others for over a year now, very effective. It is distributed mostly through healthcare providers, dentists and dermatologists, and others, who, after applying it to their patients, rave about it and re-order from us daily. I do not wish to fight with anyone. But I do believe that people deserve to know about ALL the resources that are available to them, and so I will - respectifully - continue to present the information on Viroxyn that may help others, even if you believe that you would not personally be helped by it. > ps. It's a funny thing, but the purported address of Quadex > Pharmaceuticals, the *inventors* of Viroxyn, is just a few blocks > from the address to which the F.D.A. sent its 1999 *Warning Letter* > to Allen's company, Scientific Health Products. This is quite a charge. Our company did not exist in 1999. There have been no warning letters from the FDA to my company, Scientific Health Products. Where did you get this information? > pps. Whoops. MapQuest says that Quadex's address doesn't exist. I > wonder how many companies have fake mail addresses... Quadex Pharmaceuticals' address and phone number is easily available at www.viroxyn.com and also printed on every package of Viroxyn sold: They are located in Salt Lake City, UT. That should help you find it. Allen >> <snip> >> The more I look at this Viroxyn thing, the more it looks like a big [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> and marketing than they ever spent on *inventing* a "Totally New and >> Effective Approach" to treating herpes. >> I'm sure these scumbag's lawyers have combed through all their >> marketing hype to remove anything that might bring notice from the >> FDA, etc., but there still might be something in there to make 'em >> nervous enough to have to contemplate a web-full of worthless >> elixir-peddlers. I recommend Pepto-Bismol. ;-) >> Mike >It is very true that the active ingredient in Viroxyn is a safe and widely >available anti-septic. You can find this anti-septic used in many emergency >rooms of many hospitals, and it does exist in many other products, as well. >It's called Benzalkonium Chloride. Is there a particular reason that this common antiseptic costs several times more when it's in Viroxyn than when it's in other products? >Its anti-septic properties are what make it work to kill the virus that it >comes into contact with. Yes, that goes without saying. That's why it has been used for so many years in so many other first aid products. How can the people behind Viroxyn suddenly come along and begin calling this age-old remedy a "Totally New and Effective Approach" and charge people ten times what the age-old remedies cost? Is it because of the stigma attached to having a cold sore? >I can understand that because there are so many ways that people have been >betrayed by junk products, then there would be a suspicious reaction when [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >dentists and dermatologists, and others, who, after applying it to their >patients, rave about it and re-order from us daily. Again, is there any particular reason people couldn't buy one of the many other, far less expensive products made with the same stuff from people who aren't spammers and be just as delighted? >I do not wish to fight with anyone. But I do believe that people deserve to >know about ALL the resources that are available to them, and so I will - >respectifully - continue to present the information on Viroxyn that may help >others, even if you believe that you would not personally be helped by it. >> ps. It's a funny thing, but the purported address of Quadex >> Pharmaceuticals, the *inventors* of Viroxyn, is just a few blocks >> from the address to which the F.D.A. sent its 1999 *Warning Letter* >> to Allen's company, Scientific Health Products. >This is quite a charge. Our company did not exist in 1999. If that's true, then I apologize for the mix-up. The other "Scientific Health Products" sold skin care products, also, "Aloe Wonder" and "Herb-A-Derm" among them. >There have been no warning letters from the FDA to my company, Scientific >Health Products. >Where did you get this information? >> pps. Whoops. MapQuest says that Quadex's address doesn't exist. I >> wonder how many companies have fake mail addresses... >Quadex Pharmaceuticals' address and phone number is easily available at >www.viroxyn.com and also printed on every package of Viroxyn sold: >They are located in Salt Lake City, UT. >That should help you find it. The address that I plugged into MapQuest came from that very Viroxyn website. It is possible that there are places MapQuest doesn't know about. There are a couple of other interesting tidbits that I meant to look into today, before I unexpectedly ended up at the auto-mechanic's nice place. I appreciate your responding to my broadsides, Allen, though I think you charge WAY too much for the product, and this still isn't a forum where "sellers" will ever be welcomed. There are 500 others just like you who wouldn't mind putting their two cents in for the sake of their own products, and that would detract from whatever it is we have here. If people want to come here of their own volition and pass themselves off as sincerely giving an honest testimonial on your behalf, that's one thing, but there will always be some skepticism as to their motivation. Viroxyn may actually do what you and the promotional literature claim, but it may not do it any better than the $2.95 spray that contains the same ingredients but doesn't come with the heavy Herpes marketing. Mike > >It is very true that the active ingredient in Viroxyn is a safe and widely > >available anti-septic. You can find this anti-septic used in many emergency [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > several times more when it's in Viroxyn than when it's in other > products? What other products? Whether the cost comes from the Benzalkonium Chloride, or the patented vial from which Viroxyn is conveyed, I don't know. Have you seen the pictures of the vial? It allows you to apply the anti-septic to the area of the outbreak without having to touch it with your fingers. The filter tip, along with the rubbing action, conveys the medication under the surface if the skin more effectively than applying a cream or a spray, no matter the ingredients. And anyway, what is the normal cost to treat a cold sore? Viroxyn is a single application treatment. So one vial treats one cold sore, in most cases. With Viroxyn you spend, in most cases, around $13 to treat a single outbreak. It comes in packages of 3. So one package treats 3 cold sores, in most cases. When you purchase these other products that you are comparing Viroxyn to, how much do you spend - per cold sore? > >Its anti-septic properties are what make it work to kill the virus that it > >comes into contact with. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > times what the age-old remedies cost? Is it because of the stigma > attached to having a cold sore? I honestly don't think it's because of any stigma. When you look at the vial that Viroxyn comes in, there is no other medication that I know of that is delivered that way for cold sores. Are you aware of any treatments that use these same ingredients, and convey the medication deep into the skin - not just on the surface - with a vial like that? What other "age-old remedies" are you comparing Viroxyn to? > Again, is there any particular reason people couldn't buy one of the > many other, far less expensive products made with the same stuff > from people who aren't spammers and be just as delighted? For sure. But what exists presently that is comparable to Viroxyn? I'm really asking, by the way. I want to know - I'm not just arguing. > >> ps. It's a funny thing, but the purported address of Quadex > >> Pharmaceuticals, the *inventors* of Viroxyn, is just a few blocks [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > "Scientific Health Products" sold skin care products, also, "Aloe > Wonder" and "Herb-A-Derm" among them. snip > I appreciate your responding to my broadsides, Allen, though I think > you charge WAY too much for the product, and this still isn't a > forum where "sellers" will ever be welcomed. There are 500 others > just like you who wouldn't mind putting their two cents in for the > sake of their own products, and that would detract from whatever it > is we have here. I understand that now. The work that you and Angela and Perl and others are doing here is very valuable. And I can see exactly what you are saying. I would never want to detract from that. If people want to come here of their own volition > and pass themselves off as sincerely giving an honest testimonial on > your behalf, that's one thing, but there will always be some > skepticism as to their motivation. Viroxyn may actually do what you > and the promotional literature claim, but it may not do it any > better than the $2.95 spray that contains the same ingredients but > doesn't come with the heavy Herpes marketing. > Mike Are you comparing Viroxyn with Bacteen? Just because they both contain B.C.? Any new product must prove itself effective to those who would buy it. And that's very much as it should be. We have been marketing Viroxyn primarily through wholesale distribution to healthcare providers - real dentists, dermatologists and others - and the word of mouth has been tremendous for it. People use it and say things like it's "liquid gold", "the only thing that has worked for me", etc. Dentists re-order and tell other dentists how great it is, and then they order. And on and on. We've been selling Viroxyn mostly through dentists and dermatologists nationwide, I decided to come onto this forum to learn more, and to get the word out to consumers I felt could be helped. So far, it has turned out to be a little rocky, to say the least, and I now see why. But that was my own idiocy more than anything else. I understand very well that not every medication will work perfectly for every single person. Because that is true, then I wanted to make sure that I continued to try to clear things up from my earlier posts, and ensure that all questions about Viroxyn were answered fully. Because it truly would be a shame if this product was not allowed to be offered to the people who may benefit from it. See, I really do believe in this product. I have seen it do too much good for too many people to not stand up for it. So, since I started this, I feel that I need to stay available for any questions you, or anyone else may have. I promise I won't interfere. Would that be okay? Allen > Web www.ColdSoreGone.com >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Its anti-septic properties are what make it work to kill the virus that it > comes into contact with. There is absolutely no way to wipe out the herpes simplex virus from a person's body. Period. Angela  SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ Oh Mike!! Thanks for that feedback and Merry CHRISTmas to you too!! You know.. I think people that really take the time to do their homework eventually realize that anybody claiming to be able to wipe out the virus from a person's body is either delusional or attempting to make tons of money. Sure folks can talk about whatever products they want to but when they say that they have a way to kill the virus for good OR they can't reduce transmission by proven testing OR they claim that their product can eliminate outbreaks forever.. well.. it makes them look like the worst spammers on the face of the earth. Totally and truly makes em' all look pretty bad.. wouldn't you say? Angela :) SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > pps. Whoops. MapQuest says that Quadex's address doesn't exist. I > wonder how many companies have fake mail addresses... > > When I was referring to the "active virus", I meant the virus that was > > causing the herpetic lesion. Viroxyn certainly does kill any HSV-1 with [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > herpes product does absolutely NOTHING for asymptomatic shedding or the > reduction of transmission. Angela, I know that you have helped many many people. Your website is a fantastic resource for people, and the products you sell there, and the information you give out is very helpful. I think you are great. And, for that reason I am very sorry to have had this disagreement with you. But when you say that there is no way to kill HSV-1 or HSV-2, I am not sure that you are understanding exactly what I am saying. You said that "The Herpes Simplex Virus Resides in the Ganglia and when it's active travels the nerve pathways to the surface of the skin." That's right. That's what I've been saying, too. And that's what I meant originally when I said that Viroxyn "kills the active virus". It kills the active virus on the surface, and just under the surface, of the skin during the prodromal stage, and during the stages when there is an outbreak (a lesion). The patented vial conveys the medication deeper into the skin than just the surface, and is able to disinfect the area of the lesion by killing this "active" virus that you mentioned earlier. That's how the pain and itching stops and the lesion heals, in around 70% of cases, in 3 to 4 days. You are correct when you say that Viroxyn does absolutely nothing for asymptomatic shedding. It, again, does not claim to. Viroxyn does have a function. And it can help people. That is all I want to do, too. Just like you. Allen > Excuse me.. what part of what I said earlier did you not understand?? lol > You CAN NOT kill the Herpes Simplex Virus. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No.. it does not!! lol I'm sorry. Again, I did not make myself clear. The active virus on the surface of the skin will not be infectious after it is killed by the anti-septic in Viroxyn. The person will still get other outbreaks, and those will be infectious. Do you understand better what it is I am saying now? I'm sorry for being such a clumsy idiot. Please forgive me. Allen >> > When I was referring to the "active virus", I meant the virus that was >> > causing the herpetic lesion. Viroxyn certainly does kill any HSV-1 with [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > fantastic resource for people, and the products you sell there, and the > information you give out is very helpful. I think you are great. Let me set you straight on this one.. I do not sell or endorse any product on my web site. Period. > And, for that reason I am very sorry to have had this disagreement with > you. > > But when you say that there is no way to kill HSV-1 or HSV-2, I am not > sure > that you are understanding exactly what I am saying. It's what I am saying that you do not comprehend or understand.. There is NO WAY to wipe out the herpes simplex virus from the ganglia. Period. > You said that "The Herpes Simplex Virus Resides in the Ganglia and when > it's > active travels the nerve pathways to the surface of the skin." That's > right. Yes, I know that's right!! lol :) > That's what I've been saying, too. And that's what I meant originally when > I [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Viroxyn does have a function. And it can help people. Then you should say that the product works well to "treat herpes outbreaks" not to kill the herpes virus. Angela SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ > > Angela, I know that you have helped many many people. Your website is a > > fantastic resource for people, and the products you sell there, and the > > information you give out is very helpful. I think you are great. > > Let me set you straight on this one.. I do not sell or endorse any product > on my web site. Period. Got it. > > And, for that reason I am very sorry to have had this disagreement with > > you. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > There is NO WAY to wipe out the herpes simplex virus from the ganglia. > Period. Totally agreed. Always was. > > You said that "The Herpes Simplex Virus Resides in the Ganglia and when > > it's [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Angela Yep. Viroxyn works to treat herpes (HSV-1) "cold sore" outbreaks through an anti-septic, germicidal approach. It kills the germs that cause the outbreak and heals it in 3-4 days, as opposed to much longer for other topical medications. It does not rid the body of the virus: never did, never will. I have personally spoken to hundreds of people who get cold sores, and who treat cold sores, and say that Viroxyn is the best topical medication they have ever used. Allen www.ColdSoreGone.com Allen, The only time I become irate is when there is any implication that the herpes virus will totally "begone" and never to return. It's especially important that your web site have wording on there that does not mislead the public. As for the best topical treatment for herpes outbreaks.. it's better to keep the area clean and dry and to avoid creams and ointments all together. Taking Valtrex to treat a cold sore or fever blister only takes TWO days vs your FOUR days. Merry CHRISTmas!! Angela :-) SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ >> > Angela, I know that you have helped many many people. Your website is >> > a [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > Allen > www.ColdSoreGone.com I take that back!! lol :) The recommended dosage of Valtrex for the treatment of cold sores is 2 grams twice daily for ONE day (taken 12 hours apart). Angela :-) www.yoshi2me.com SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ > Allen, > [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] >> Allen >> www.ColdSoreGone.com > I take that back!! lol :) The recommended dosage of Valtrex for the > treatment of cold sores is 2 grams twice daily for ONE day (taken 12 hours [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > www.yoshi2me.com Valtrex is approved to treat cold sores? I thought that it was a medication to be used on genital herpes and shingles only. That's what their website says. But hey, if it works on cold sores, too, then I think people should see if it works for them. But are you saying that if you take the recomended dosage of Valtrex for shingles and genital herpes, in order to try and treat a cold sore, that the cold sore is gone in 2 days? Does Valtrex claim that? Are there any side effects from taking Valtrex internally, such as nausea, vomiting, etc? Do you have to take Valtrex for the rest of your life? Can you take it while you are pregnant or nursing? What if there was another way that let you NOT have to take a medication internally to treat cold sores? What if one topical treatment stopped the burning and itching from the cold sore within 15 minutes, and healed the cold sore - no scab or anything - within 4 days? Wouldn't that be valuable for some people, too? Allen www.ColdSoreGone.com >> I take that back!! lol :) The recommended dosage of Valtrex for the >> treatment of cold sores is 2 grams twice daily for ONE day (taken 12 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Valtrex is approved to treat cold sores? Ha Ha Ha.. you didn't know!?? lol :-) > I thought that it was a medication to be used on genital herpes and > shingles > only. That's what their website says. http://www.yoshi2me.com/herpes-hpv-ssna.html -- Valtrex Prescribing Information -- by GSK > But hey, if it works on cold sores, too, then I think people should see if > it works for them. Ya think!? lol :-) > But are you saying that if you take the recomended dosage of Valtrex for > shingles and genital herpes, in order to try and treat a cold sore, that > the > cold sore is gone in 2 days? > > Does Valtrex claim that? You need to read the GSK document I have just shared with you. If you read it you will be able to answer your own questions. :-) > Are there any side effects from taking Valtrex internally, such as nausea, > vomiting, etc? Oh come on.. who are you kidding? Doesn't everybody know that as with anything you take to treat something there is going to be the potential for *possible* side effects or allergic reactions!!? Apparently this is not something that you are familiar with.. lol Are you supposed to know an awful lot about Cold Sores and Feveral Blisters?? aka: Oral Herpes > Do you have to take Valtrex for the rest of your life? Nope. > Can you take it while you are pregnant or nursing? Yup! I did. :-) > What if there was another way that let you NOT have to take a medication > internally to treat cold sores? Now you are grasping at straws. The next thing you are going to tell us is that the stuff you sell only has to be taken for one day. hmm.. very interesting Allen. > What if one topical treatment stopped the burning and itching from the > cold > sore within 15 minutes, and healed the cold sore - no scab or anything - > within 4 days? > > Wouldn't that be valuable for some people, too? What if.. What if.. Allen.. you need to do your homework before you attempt to take me on. Angela ;-) PS I think it's time to call your site: www.AllenBeGone.com :-) SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ > > What if there was another way that let you NOT have to take a medication > > internally to treat cold sores? > > Now you are grasping at straws. The next thing you are going to tell us is > that the stuff you sell only has to be taken for one day. hmm.. very > interesting Allen. Well, Andrea. Yes. That's what I'm saying. Viroxyn is a single application topical treatment in 70% of cases. In some cases you need to apply a second dose, which can also be done on the very same day as the first dose. But in most cases, it's a single application. You open the vial applicator and rub all the medication into the lesion, and into the skin around the lesion, or area of tingling in the "tingling" stage, and that's it. In most cases, the itching and burning from the cold sore stops in 15 minutes and the cold sore is healed - no scab, nothing - in 3.6 days. That's Viroxyn: www.viroxyn.com Different from Valtrex, which is also an excellent product for some people. But Viroxyn is not an anti-viral, it's a germicidal. So none of the side effects of taking an internal medication applies to Viroxyn, and none of the risks of anti-virals, either. There is no conflict here. Each medication has different benefits and limitations. Valtrex is fantastic. So is Viroxyn. > What if one topical treatment stopped the burning and itching from the > > cold [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Allen.. you need to do your homework before you attempt to take me on. Your experience and knowledge, and helpfulness, is very apparent. I continue to learn from you, and others, too. Thanks for responding. Your humble servant, Allen :> www.ColdSoreGone.com LMAO.. Now you are my *Humble Servant?* lol :-) If that's the case I now hear-by command you to stop spamming.. lol I noticed that you went from a 3-4 day treatment down to a 1 day treatment ever since I burst your bubble with the Valtrex to treat Cold Sores Facts. Allen.. you aren't doing your product justice because the product is not a herpes antiviral medication that can cut transmission in half, reduce flare ups OR asymptomatic shedding by about 95%. There is no comparison Allen. People all over the internet know this.. :-) Hang in there and Merry CHRISTmas!! ~Angela www.yoshi2me.com >> > What if there was another way that let you NOT have to take a >> > medication [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > Allen :> > www.ColdSoreGone.com Angela writes: > I noticed that you went from a 3-4 day treatment down to a 1 day treatment > ever since I burst your bubble with the Valtrex to treat Cold Sores Facts. Viroxyn was always a single application treatment, in most cases. It was never presented as a 3-4 day *treatment*, it was always stated that it *healed* the cold sore in 3-4 days, in most cases. *Healed* in this case means Cold Sore Gone, no scab left. Our website has always said that, too. Allen www.ColdSoreGone.com Allen, It's getting old debating this with you. It's clear that you are here to sell your product and will do and say anything to accomplish this goal. I'm done debating this with you and I think most people are smart enough to figure you out all by themselves. Merry CHRISTmas and Happy New Year!! Angela - Who has no desire to continue this debate any longer lol :-) SignatureSTD Message Board: http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Picking Up the Pieces: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ I have a few viles of this stuff (Viroxyn). My wife works in the medical field and it was given to her by a dentist friend who swears by it for cold sores. I have not had any cold sores in over a year so I haven't been able to test it out. I used to get sores at least 5 or six times a year. I went on a low carb diet to lose weight for a cruise and after I lost the weight I continued to stay away from bread, pasta, rice, potatoes, soda, and other foods that have bad carbs or too many carbs. Anyway, a few very interesting things happened. I stopped falling asleep or getting tired after meals, my Asthma symptoms decreased, a wart growing on my elbow went away, and I stopped getting sores on my mouth. Now I eat a little bread (whole wheat only), a little pasta, and a little rice, but not every day and not several plate fulls like before. I eat muesli for breakfast (I mention this because it has nuts), as well as peanuts and chocolate whenever I feel like it, and I stopped taking lysine. I did gain the weight I lost (25 pounds) on the cruise by basically eating like a pig, which was stupid, and I have not gone back on induction because I didn't like how it made me feel. Instead, I go to the gym six days a week for weight training and cardio, I do a 3 day split with cardio in between. People are noticing the difference and I feel great. Anyway, I think I learned some important things about how to eat, or at least what not to do, and it's been about 14 months since I last had a sore. It's as if I woke from a nightmare because no matter what I did, diet, rest, or anything else, I always got a sore and no one could help me except for applying the latest cream. Once in a while I wake up in the middle of the night thinking I have a lump or tingling on my lip and I run to the mirror, but I do that less and less because I'm starting to accept that I may not get another sore ever again. Even if I got a sore today, I can live with 1 sore every 14 months. After 20 years of missed meetings, missed events, calling in sick and hiding from the world whenver I had a sore, which was at least 5 times a year, I am slowly starting to feel like my old self again. I cannot promise that anyone else will benefit from what has worked for me, but I think it's worth a try considering that the alternatives are drugs and creams. > Allen, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Picking Up the Pieces: > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ does herpes spread all over the body >does herpes spread all over the body Not usually. Maybe in some terribly immune-compromised people, or someone with some rare disorder, but otherwise, no. It *is* possible to introduce the herpes virus almost anywhere in the body, like in a cut on your finger, but it won't spread without being purposely or accidentally transported. And the likelihood of accidental transportation (sometimes refered to as self-innoculation) decreases the longer one has the disease. Hope that helps. Mike |
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