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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / June 2004Valerian counterbalancing the herpes anxiety trigger , maybe?
Everywhere you read about herpes issues, you can see folks motivating their stress as the major cause for OB's. It seems to me, that this herb, "Valerian", may be the perfect fit for this problem. From my experience, I can make a very clear association between the particular type of stress that is related with the triggering of an OB and the effect of Valerian upon the cancelling of such forms of stress. Perl Molson Valerian, Valeriana officinalis W. Fred Shaw, L.Ac., Dipl.Ac. (edited for relevant details by P. Iannone). PHARMACOLOGY AND MEDICAL USES The active chemical constituents of valerian are primarily the valepotriates (valtrate, isovaltrate and dihydrovaltrate), a group of chemically unstable iridoid triesters possessing sedative activity (9, 13, 18), with fewer side-effects than the diazepam class of tranquilizers (such as Valium), and reportedly are not potentiated by alcohol (1). [snip] Aqueous extracts of valerian also contain enough GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid - a principal neurotransmitter inhibitor of the central nervous system) to account for [3H]GABA release in synaptosomes, with an anti-depressant effect (5, 6). The effect of valerian extract on the central nervous system has been confirmed in comparitive studies in which valerian extract and imipramine (a tricyclic anti- depressant) reversed reserpine-induced hypothermia in mice, a test which suggests anti-depressant actions (8). Valerian extract has demonstrated moderate sedative effects in comparison with diazepam (Valium) and chlorpromazine (7). Anti-convulsive properties of the valerian extract are described as "weak" (7). The "mild" myorelaxant action of valerian is attributed to the valepotriate component of the herb (12). The valepotriates isovaltrate and valtrate, and the essential oil compound valeranone were observed to suppress the rhythmic contractions in a closed part of the guinea-pig ileum in vivo (16). The inhibition of muscle contractions by the valium chemicals valeranone and didrovalate were as potent as papaverine (16). This herb also contains essential oils, including valerianic acid, isovalerianic acid, borneol, camphene, pinene and sesquiterpenes (2, 3). The sesquiterpenes also contribute to the sedative effect of this herb, but to a lesser degree than the valepotriates (11). Additional constituents include volatile alkaloids, iridoids, glycosides and tannic acid. 5 Santos MS; Ferreira F; Faro C; Pires E; Carvalho AP; Cunha AP; Macedo T. The amount of GABA present in aqueous extracts of valerian is sufficient to account for [3H]GABA release in synaptosomes [letter]. Planta Medica, 1994 Oct, 60(5):475-6. 6 Santos MS; Ferreira F; Cunha AP; Carvalho AP; Ribeiro CF; Macedo T. Synaptosomal GABA release as influenced by valerian root extract- -involvement of the GABA carrier. Archives Internationales de Pharmacodynamie et de Therapie, 1994 Mar-Apr, 327(2):220-31. Abstract: The effect of an aqueous extract obtained from the roots of Valeriana officinalis was investigated on the uptake and release of GABA in synaptosomes isolated from rat brain cortex. Aqueous extract of valerian inhibited the uptake and stimulated the release of [3H]GABA, either in the absence or in the presence of K+ depolarization. The release was Na(+)-dependent and independent of the presence of Ca2+ in the external medium. It is concluded that valerian extract releases [3H]GABA by reversal of the GABA carrier, which is Na(+)-dependent and Ca(2+)-independent. This increase in [3H]GABA release appears to be independent from Na(+)-K(+)- ATPase activity and the membrane potential. 9 Lin LJ; Cordell GA; Balandrin MF. Valerian-derived sedative agents. I. On the structure and spectral assignment of the constituents of valmane using the selective INEPTnuclear magnetic resonance technique. Pharmaceutical Research, 1991 Sep, 8(9):1094-102. Abstract: The valepotriates, a group of chemically unstable iridoid triesters possessing sedative activity, contain various ester groups at the C-1, C-7,and C-11 positions. Using the selective INEPT NMR technique and employing asuitable polarization delay for long-range coupling, it was possible to achieve the assignment and location of the ester groups directly, without ambiguity, and without chemical modification. Six valepotriates isolated from Valmane tablets served as examples to demonstrate the utility of this NMR technique. During the course of this work, the "acevaltrate" fraction was shown to be a mixture of 1-alpha-acevaltrate (3) and 7-beta-acevaltrate (4), the structures of valtrate (1) and didrovaltrate (2) were confirmed directly, and two new valepotriates, 5a and 5b, were obtained as an inseparable mixture and characterized. 11 Houghton PJ. The biological activity of Valerian and related plants. Journal of Ethnopharmacology, 1988 Feb-Mar, 22(2):121-42. Abstract: A comprehensive review of the constituents of the *** Continued in next message... *** http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=valtrate&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&s elm=003734EA.fc%40pop.com&rnum=1 If you want to dope yourself up instead of living life, go right ahead. ar > Everywhere you read about herpes issues, you can see > folks motivating their stress as the major cause for OB's. [quoted text clipped - 105 lines] > > *** Continued in next message... *** http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=valtrate&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&s elm=003734EA.fc%40pop.com&rnum=1 > If you want to dope yourself up instead of living life, go right ahead. > > ar Actually, that is exactly, what people do, when they are taking prescription drugs for keeping herpes under control. Herbal medicine and other alternative medical approaches are not permanent speaking about timely matters. There is no "suppresive naturistic treatment", if you like. Suppresive therapy means strictly drugs in this case. Through using alternative methods, the goal is the CURE. The way I see a cure for herpes, (and I've mentioned this before several times) is a few steps of different treatments of the various symptoms, that herpes are related to. In this case, that is the use of tea made from valerian officinales root (valerian), my supposition is, right now, that it can make our body cope a great deal( if not completely, as I hope), succesfully with the triggering issues related to stress. I repeat, a treatment - that is part of the general cure which can be extended for several years including various treatments vor different purposes - will last only a limited period of time. For example, when I used to have tingling symptoms caused by herpes, both genitally and labial, by taking homeopathic 'Rhux Toxicodendron', for around 10 days, I have never experienced any more tingling symptoms, since. Another example of a symtom caused by herpes was some very clear, steady, sort of agitation in my mental and psychological state and tension in the top of the spine, several days prior to an OB, even if the OB was almost unnoticeable. Valerian seems to be an eventual answer for it. I need several months to confirm this. Such examples of symptoms can be identified and dealt with in similar ways such as I did with several of them. I will mention them with other occasions when I can fit them into a better description (that's not the purpose of this topic that resumes mostly to Valerian issues). And don't forget, Ar, treating a particular symptom means cure of that disease that have produced the symptom, through alternative methods, whether the treatment will take weeks or months. Indeed, herpes can become succesful only in a diseased body. If the body is depleted or it has too much of something, then the defence mechanisms are not able to fight against the herpes and the herpes will take over using an effective pattern repetitiously. Once the treatment has been succesful, the pattern the herpes had been using it will become history and the symtoms will dissapear and of course, with it the disease that caused it. Herpes is allowed to work its way through a chain of broken, deffective body defence mechanisms or deficiencies and depletions from cells and all the rest; we must reinforce these areas and mechanisms. With the use of prescription drugs, you are stucked with them. Perl Molson > > Everywhere you read about herpes issues, you can see > > folks motivating their stress as the major cause for OB's. [quoted text clipped - 107 lines] > > > http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=valtrate&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&s elm=003734EA.fc%40pop.com&rnum=1 Perl, Why don't you just switch to a raw, vegan diet? Then you won't ever have to worry about herpes again. ar > > If you want to dope yourself up instead of living life, go right ahead. > > [quoted text clipped - 180 lines] > > > > > > *** Continued in next message... *** http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=valtrate&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&s elm=003734EA.fc%40pop.com&rnum=1 > Perl, > > Why don't you just switch to a raw, vegan diet? Then you won't ever have > to worry about herpes again. > > ar Right, right! C'mon, give me a break now. You didn't seem to dare making such an afirmation before as I recall. First of all, a vegan diet is something extremelly complex. In order to be able to provide enough proteins tons of enzymes, oligoelements and all the rest of nutrition that is vital for a healthy body/mind, someone that is following a vegan diet would have to be higly knowleageble. Foods such as tofu, mushrooms and others that have high protein content would have to be eaten on a daily basis. As far as I've read, eating tofu will make your brain cells become older much faster then otherwise. Additionally, such a diet will make someone overweight( another long story). The bottom line, such a raw/vegan diet does not fit me. On top of that, the depression can be most certainly one of the causes of people following this above mentioned diet. There is more to add but I don't see it related with the group. If you wish to add your comments go ahead. Perl Molson > > "Grant" <hatetheviruses@hiding.com> wrote in message > news:<8d2dndoz7cTj1yHd4p2dnA@adelphia.com>... [quoted text clipped - 184 lines] > > > > http://groups.google.ca/groups?q=valtrate&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&safe=off&s elm=003734EA.fc%40pop.com&rnum=1 Hi Perl, You don't know a whole lot about a raw food diet. First, I've mentioned it plenty of times here. Theory: diseases and viruses, etc, live in an unclean body. Because the body is loaded with toxins, these diseases have a place to live. Clean up the body and the disease goes away because the body will simply not allow it to live there anymore. Many people on a raw food diet have cured themselves of some pretty amazing things. I've been eating this way for just about three years and have been fairly surprised at how many of my so called "incurable" diseases have just gone away. > C'mon, give me a break now. It's amazing to me that you will make outrageous claims about the herpes virus but still not recognize that importance of proper diet. > You didn't seem to dare making such an afirmation before as I recall. As mentioned above, I have spoken here about my diet before. I've mentioned it to you before, too, by the way. > First of all, a vegan diet is something extremelly complex. No, not complex at all. > In order to be able to provide enough proteins tons of enzymes, > oligoelements > and all the rest of nutrition that is vital for a healthy body/mind, > someone > that is following a vegan diet would have to be higly knowleageble. Raw fruits and veggies are full of all the proper enzymes to create all the protein a person actually needs to be healthy. There are quite a few raw food athletes and body builders so obviously, protein is not a problem. My work-outs became far more productive once I switched to this diet. > Foods such as tofu, mushrooms and others that have high protein > content > would have to be eaten on a daily basis. No. You are completely wrong. Raw foodists don't eat soy. As a matter-of-fact, soy is fairly bad for you. Mushrooms are also not eaten too much. For those of us that wish to have additional protein, we eat some nuts and seeds. > As far as I've read, eating tofu will make your brain cells become > older > much faster then otherwise. Additionally, such a diet will make > someone overweight( another long story). At what point do you think that tofu is raw???? We don't eat that food. It's not a natural food for the body. Overweight? Well, as I said, we don't eat soy. But I've lost 47 pounds... > The bottom line, such a raw/vegan diet does not fit me. That's fine. But the fact is that you may get a whole lot more benefit from this diet than all that mumbo jumbo you are talking about. > On top of that, the depression can be most certainly one of the > causes of people following this above mentioned diet. Depression is often cured when people switch to this diet. > There is more to add but I don't see it related with the group. Sure it relates to this group. A healthy diet for your body will help you to keep those outbreaks away. > If you wish to add your comments go ahead. I did. Thank you for giving me permission. ar > Hi Perl, > > You don't know a whole lot about a raw food diet. I agree. I know there are books out there. It's just that I can't see myself chewing on a bunch of carrots or other such vegetables. They don't taste right. The metabolism would not be able to deal with such a diet ( in my case). I guess I burn out too fast the food, sometimes, I maybe sometimes I do not. That would be hard to go with. First, I've mentioned it > plenty of times here. > Theory: diseases and viruses, etc, live in an unclean body. Because the > body is loaded with toxins, these diseases have a place to live. Well, through exercise, we can burn out those toxins. Clean up > the body and the disease goes away because the body will simply not allow it > to live there anymore. True. Many people on a raw food diet have cured themselves > of some pretty amazing things. That's true. Even miracle cures. I've heared and read a lot about it. I've been eating this way for just about > three years and have been fairly surprised at how many of my so called > "incurable" diseases have just gone away. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > As mentioned above, I have spoken here about my diet before. I've mentioned > it to you before, too, by the way. I know you did mention these before. Instead, every time I would use the term "cure", you would defend it as impossible, 'with all your being' (along with other posters, of course). A cure, in my definition, is having herpes unnoticeable to say the least. In other words, not to bother me, ever again. > > First of all, a vegan diet is something extremelly complex. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > protein a person actually needs to be healthy. There are quite a few raw > food athletes and body builders so obviously, protein is not a problem. I need to get more info about it, but, it would be hard to believe, a body builder raw foodist My > work-outs became far more productive once I switched to this diet. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > No. You are completely wrong. Raw foodists don't eat soy. As a > matter-of-fact, soy is fairly bad for you. Well, that one I didn't know; I thought that they do eat large amounts of soya and tofu. Mushrooms are also not eaten too > much. For those of us that wish to have additional protein, we eat some > nuts and seeds. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > That's fine. But the fact is that you may get a whole lot more benefit from > this diet than all that mumbo jumbo you are talking about. The stuff I am talking about are ideas about how the virus behaviour/patterns/etc can be controlled. I do try to have such a healthy diet, as much as possible. > > On top of that, the depression can be most certainly one of the > > causes of people following this above mentioned diet. > > Depression is often cured when people switch to this diet. Maybe, only if under such a diet, for a limited amount of time. > > There is more to add but I don't see it related with the group. > > Sure it relates to this group. A healthy diet for your body will help you > to keep those outbreaks away. OK, it all sounds good, but what you will do if you will have days when you have no access to such a great diet? I don't think it is that hard to think of examples in here. That is the difference I was talking about, when, there is not such a dependency of the OB free and favorable conditions such as diet, weather, sleep deprivation physical/mental exhaustion, etc. You know what I mean, Ar? (ahhhhhh, where is my veggie juice????!!! I need it, NOWWWWWW!!!!!) (No, I mean, this, I am not being sarcastic; sorry if you get offended by it, I know you have to keep under control other problems). > > If you wish to add your comments go ahead. > > I did. Thank you for giving me permission. It was meant rather as an invitation, to add your comments. > ar Perl Molson Hi Perl, Check out these websites: http://www.thegardendiet.com/storm.html http://www.rawfood.com/brodie.html http://matthewgrace.homestead.com/bio.html Those are a few links to raw food body builders. There are a few other sites for raw food athletes. > I agree. I know there are books out there. > It's just that I can't see myself chewing on a bunch of carrots > or other such vegetables. There's a lot more involved than that. Fruit smoothies, shakes, "ice cream," gourmet meals, etc. > > Theory: diseases and viruses, etc, live in an unclean body. Because the > > body is loaded with toxins, these diseases have a place to live. > > Well, through exercise, we can burn out those toxins. Yes. But if you continue to put the toxins back in the body, then you will never win the detox game. What I hear most of the time is that it takes 1 month to detox every year of bad food. I have no idea how true that is. But, the object is to stop adding to your toxin load. > I know you did mention these before. > Instead, every time I would use the term "cure", you would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > least. > In other words, not to bother me, ever again. We've discussed this with you before. Your use of the word "cure" is inaccurate and it leads people to the wrong conclusion. A cure would mean that they would no longer have herpes and not be able to pass it on to anyone. That kind of a cure is still unavailable to us. When you post your theories here, Perl, you have a responsibility to the new folks to not lead them on to believe that a cure exists. It doesn't. > I need to get more info about it, but, it would be hard to believe, > a body builder raw foodist It is the most natural and pure diet for a human to eat. :) The body functions very efficiently on a raw food diet. > The stuff I am talking about are ideas about > how the virus behaviour/patterns/etc can be controlled. > I do try to have such a healthy diet, as much as possible. Okay. (snipped discussion about how this diet will create depression and I commented that many are cured of their depression on this diet.) > Maybe, only if under such a diet, for a limited amount of time. That is an incorrect statement. There is a lot of emotional detox that needs to happen as well. Our emotions can create a lot of trouble with our health. So, a full physical and emotional detox is needed for true health. > OK, it all sounds good, but what you will do if you will > have days when you have no access to such a great diet? > I don't think it is that hard to think of examples in here. I've had this very problem up here in Vermont. I eat a lot of greens and whatever fruit I can find - bananas and oranges mostly. I don't really like apples that much. I also supplement with flash pasteurized juices to get more fruit in my diet. I will be moving back to Florida in the fall because I can't go another winter up here. Personally, I do a lot of traveling so I don't always have access to fresh produce. That is one of the reasons why I am not 100%. > That is the difference I was talking about, > when, there is not such a dependency of the OB free and > favorable conditions such as diet, weather, sleep deprivation > physical/mental exhaustion, etc. ok > You know what I mean, Ar? > (ahhhhhh, where is my veggie juice????!!! > I need it, NOWWWWWW!!!!!) I often feel this way! If I don't have lettuce every day I get very cranky. :) ar > Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Those are a few links to raw food body builders. There are a few other > sites for raw food athletes. I've checked them out. They didn't seem very informative; that's allright. There are out there books, I've noticed several books related. I have a book called "The Complete Encyclopedia of Vegetables & Vegetarian Cooking" by Roz Denny, Christine Ingram http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1901289036/qid=1086587680/sr=1-1/r ef=sr_1_1/103-0590282-8743024?v=glance&s=books I will probably stick with a diet that includes meet and consider trying to increase the vegetarian/raw diet more often. Actually I was on my way there, already, it just takes time to get to learn more about these things. The truth is that, more we become interested in such healthier diets, in time, we will be accounted to eat better. I can tell you this for sure, for example, when I used to drink lots of coffee, I almost became addicted to it; I've started drinking teas and more I've learned about teas, more I sticked with teas instead of switching back to coffee. Now I only drink 1 coffee in the morning and the teas are fantastic. More we learn about health, even healthier we want to become. Don't you agree with it? > > I agree. I know there are books out there. > > It's just that I can't see myself chewing on a bunch of carrots > > or other such vegetables. > > There's a lot more involved than that. Fruit smoothies, shakes, "ice > cream," gourmet meals, etc. And of course, a lot to learn, for that matter... > > > Theory: diseases and viruses, etc, live in an unclean body. Because > the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > month to detox every year of bad food. I have no idea how true that is. > But, the object is to stop adding to your toxin load. It must be true what you just wrote here regarding the toxins. As per the benefit of a vegetarian diet versus a non-vegetarian diet, I cannot pronounce myself with it. Think about the fact that, us, human race, were hunters for most of our existance, several hundreds of thousands of years. Switching to such a free of meat diet would seem unnatural, don't you think, from this perspective? To be even more conclussive, think about the benefits of walking and running that contributes to our health; well, here you go, those hunters have built such genes in our bodies so that we are acustomed to such a lifestile rather then being sedentary. Does it makes sense to you, Ar? > > I know you did mention these before. > > Instead, every time I would use the term "cure", you would [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > theories here, Perl, you have a responsibility to the new folks to not lead > them on to believe that a cure exists. It doesn't. Of course. > > I need to get more info about it, but, it would be hard to believe, > > a body builder raw foodist > > It is the most natural and pure diet for a human to eat. :) The body > functions very efficiently on a raw food diet. Please read above about the hunters in the human evolutionary history. > > The stuff I am talking about are ideas about > > how the virus behaviour/patterns/etc can be controlled. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > needs to happen as well. Our emotions can create a lot of trouble with our > health. So, a full physical and emotional detox is needed for true health. Well, this is a much more complex subject; I will point out that, several substances needed by the nerves, brain etc for a proper functionality, such as melatonin, endorphines, some hormones and others, are being ingested through meet as far as I know. Other things, like iron, calcium, cooper, etc are assimilated at a better quality from meat then from other foods. > > OK, it all sounds good, but what you will do if you will > > have days when you have no access to such a great diet? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > don't always have access to fresh produce. That is one of the reasons why I > am not 100%. Yeah, everywhere there are some inconveniences, as far as I'm concern. I don't believe in the "land of plenty" type of places. Pluses and minuses can be somehow compensated if fortunate enough. > > That is the difference I was talking about, > > when, there is not such a dependency of the OB free and [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I often feel this way! If I don't have lettuce every day I get very cranky. > :) Lettuce, huh? I know what you mean. It sounds like a good plan to eat a lettuce every day. I think I shoud try that, too. Perl Molson P.S. I am looking forward to see what opinion you and others have regarding that diet that our genes seems to have inherited for eons. > ar Hi Perl, I actually have my degree in human evolution. So, yes, I know all about hunting/gathering/the shape of our teeth, etc. However, if you study more than our teeth, you will see that our intestines are not shaped the same as a carnivore's. But instead, our intestines are shaped more like an herbivore's. What this means, to me, is that even though we may be able to stay healthy on an omnivore diet, our bodies are still made for ingesting and digesting plant food. And the other issue is that the meat and animal products that we get today are NOT the same as our ancestors ate...Heck, they aren't even the same as our parents ate. In today's world, when we eat cheese or meat or eggs, we are ingesting antibiotics, hormones, chemicals, pesticides, and a whole bunch of other stuff. The animals we eat are not healthy. How can we be healthy ingesting them? So, there are really two different avenues of discussion here. Three if you want to get into the ethics of eating animals and how they are treated, etc. The bottom line for me is: I was sick when I ate animals and now I don't and I'm not sick anymore. I think that says it all right there. I believe that the high incidences of illness in today's youth is because of the crap in our food. I think that you should read "Fit For Life" by Harvey Diamond. He has some really good, basic information that would really help you to understand these things better. He can also help you to better understand how to properly eat animal products, along with a mostly raw diet. "Perl Molson" <beatadje@email.com> wrote in message > > Those are a few links to raw food body builders. There are a few other > > sites for raw food athletes. > > I've checked them out. They didn't seem very informative; that's > allright. There are other sites that are more technical. Those sites were just to show you that there are people who are raw food vegans and who are still able to form muscle and be healthy. > I will probably stick with a diet that includes meet and > consider trying to increase the vegetarian/raw diet more often. > Actually I was on my way there, already, it just takes time to get to > learn more about these things. I think that if you ate 70% raw fruits and veggies and then ate 30% organic meat/animal products, you might find that you can really do some wonders for your body. > The truth is that, more we become interested in such healthier diets, > in time, we will be accounted to eat better. This is true. Once you know the truth, it's hard to go back to eating the foods that are making our population so ill. > I can tell you this for sure, for example, when I used to drink lots > of coffee, I almost became addicted to it; I've started drinking teas [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > back to coffee. Now I only drink 1 coffee in the morning > and the teas are fantastic. Yep. Caffeine is really baaaaad for your body. > More we learn about health, even healthier we want to become. > Don't you agree with it? 100% > > Yes. But if you continue to put the toxins back in the body, then you will > > never win the detox game. What I hear most of the time is that it takes 1 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > think, > from this perspective? This was addressed above. The bottom line being that there is nothing natural about the animal products we have available to us today. > To be even more conclussive, think about the benefits of walking and > running [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Does it makes sense to you, Ar? Exercise is so important to our overall health!! Raw foodists are all about exercise as well. And this is the area that I am weakest at. :( > Well, this is a much more complex subject; I will point out that, > several substances needed by the nerves, brain etc for a proper [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Other things, like iron, calcium, cooper, etc are > assimilated at a better quality from meat then from other foods. I do not believe this to be true. But it's okay to disagree. :) > Lettuce, huh? I know what you mean. > It sounds like a good plan to eat a lettuce every day. > I think I shoud try that, too. A salad a day will do wonders for your body. :) ar Oh, I also wanted to say that there are charts somewhere on line....that compare certain body organs with carnivores, herbivores, and humans. The direct comparison is very eye opening. ar > Oh, I also wanted to say that there are charts somewhere on line....that > compare certain body organs with carnivores, herbivores, and humans. The > direct comparison is very eye opening. And if I remember my development lectures still argued over somewhat viciously in the scientific community particularly over how much of a feature present relates to herbivory etc...you try doing an evolution course where one lecturer is a NeoDarwinist, one a cladist, one into punctuated equilibrium and then try and write an answer that covers you no matter WHO marks it ;) That was umm nervous.... Tim -- When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568 Very true, Tim. Information can be manipulated and used to support almost point of view. I'm just waiting for a time machine to be invented so I can just go back and see for myself. ar > > Oh, I also wanted to say that there are charts somewhere on line....that > > compare certain body organs with carnivores, herbivores, and humans. The [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart > ICQ: 5178568 > > Oh, I also wanted to say that there are charts somewhere on line....that > > compare certain body organs with carnivores, herbivores, and humans. The [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Tim Well, here at ASH is an open debate, there is no fear of losing your job or something similar when saying stuff that hasn't been heared before. The only limit here is our own inhibition. Perl Molson > Oh, I also wanted to say that there are charts somewhere on line....that > compare certain body organs with carnivores, herbivores, and humans. The > direct comparison is very eye opening. > > ar It's called omnivores. Perl Molson > > Oh, I also wanted to say that there are charts somewhere on line....that > > compare certain body organs with carnivores, herbivores, and humans. The [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Perl Molson I have no idea what you are talking about. ar Does anyone ever? lol Angela :) www.yoshi2me.com > I have no idea what you are talking about. > > ar > Does anyone ever? lol > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > ar Angela, you wrote this on your website: "I have devoted my free time to helping others realize that they are not alone" I think you are going a bit too far, sometimes. Perl Molson You wouldn't be the last person that ever said that but then again I don't expect all people to be pleased with the work that me and others are trying to do by helping people and squashing the REAL myths associated with this std. Best Wishes Perl - Angela  Signaturewww.yoshi2me.com www.herpesonline.org www.wartsonline.org New Message Board: www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php My Blogger: www.yoshi2me.blogspot.com > Angela, you wrote this on your website: > "I have devoted my free time to helping others realize that they are not alone" > > I think you are going a bit too far, sometimes. > > Perl Molson The forum you've got it's pretty good as a format. I like it. Well, course, now you need more users to sign up. How did you get this forum? There are myths and also there are things that must be understood in order to cope succesfully with herpes. The treatments, prevention and all the rest can very and for some of the treatments, there are different approaches regarding some issues. For example, you folks that take prescription drugs such as valtrex, acyclovir etc, are avoiding a diet with high arginine content? Do you care to stay without stress or other factors that will keep your immune system higher, or once you take those medicines you don't care much for such avoidance of triggering factors? In my case, without using prescription drugs, I don't care much for the type of food I eat, from an arginine/lysine content perspective; I don't care much for the emmotional stress factors, since they don't seem to affect me, I do not care much for staying without fatique or having energy exhaustion, lack of sleep etc. I don't avoid cold/heat, wind, humidity, sun exposure, and lots of others that anyone can name it. Perl Molson > You wouldn't be the last person that ever said that but then again I don't > expect all people to be pleased with the work that me and others are trying [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > > > Perl Molson > The forum you've got it's pretty good as a format. I like it. > Well, course, now you need more users to sign up. No offense Perl - but I've decided that if you have a half way decent post with some half way decent opinions I will actually take the time to indulge you in a response. > How did you get this forum? If you look at the bottom of the front page you'll see the little phpbb link. It's a free forum. Anybody can put one together if they want to OR you can find one that's already put together and go from there . . . I'm not too worried about users signing up. If folks are interested and they like what they see they might give it a whirl. If not - then I'm sure they will find something that works for them. That's how it goes, eh? > There are myths and also there are things that > must be understood in order to cope succesfully with herpes. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > prescription drugs such as valtrex, acyclovir etc, > are avoiding a diet with high arginine content? No, I don't watch what I eat or eat what I watch Perl. Unlike others diet doesn't play a role in my herpes at all. Remember, everybody that has herpes is different. We do not all need the same things in order to combat this std. So when you hear somebody's story different from yours or mine - that's ok too. > Do you care to stay without stress or other factors > that will keep your immune system higher, or once you take those > medicines you don't care much for such avoidance of > triggering factors? I'm not too worried about triggers because they don't affect me because I don't really have anything specific that will trigger a flare up. I do get prodomes though . . . but then again after almost nine years of having genital herpes my flare ups have decreased quite a bit. AND I am no longer on suppression. I don't watch my diet, etc. It's just different for me. I have great ease taking the Valtrex when I do get flare ups and other than that - life is hunky doory. > In my case, without using prescription drugs, > I don't care much for the type of food I eat, from an arginine/lysine [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I don't avoid cold/heat, wind, humidity, sun exposure, and lots of others > that anyone can name it. Well - I can (for once) relate to what you just said . . . L-lysine never worked for me and my flare ups . . . chocolate I LOVE and eat whenever I want to . . . Coffee I drink daily (no cream or sugar) . . . popcorn doesn't bother me . . . special diets don't cause me to have flare ups . . . Valtrex works for me when I do have flare ups . . . and that's ok if what's good for me doesn't mesh with what you think is good for you. Angela Signaturewww.yoshi2me.com www.herpesonline.org www.wartsonline.org STD Message Board: www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php Prodromes, flare-ups, these are things that doesn't sound good in my 'book'. I don't want to say anymore stuff regarding the prescription therapy, that is your choice and others, in dealing with the viral problems, its fine for me. I've choosen a different approach, that is unconventional, naturistic theraphy, because I believe in it. In one day I will be able to say that the method I use have cured me from herpes, the time will tell. The injury that I've got on my left side of my jaw at one time, kind of postponed the problems I was supposed to get solved by now with my labial herpes. I'm getting there, though. If it will be for good, it will meet my expectations fully. That's what I am hoping for. And I am very optimistic about them. Meanwhile, good luck with your forum; I don't see there "guest" option, for people that want to lurk around the forum, before they sign up. Perl Molson > > The forum you've got it's pretty good as a format. I like it. > > Well, course, now you need more users to sign up. [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Angela > Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > stay healthy on an omnivore diet, our bodies are still made for ingesting > and digesting plant food. Interesting issue. Hmmm, we are omnivores but our bodies are made for ingesting of the plant foods. Never heared of this one before. Thanks for pointing it out, though. And the other issue is that the meat and animal > products that we get today are NOT the same as our ancestors ate...Heck, > they aren't even the same as our parents ate. In today's world, when we eat [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I believe that the high incidences of illness in today's youth is because of > the crap in our food. That's true about colorants, flavourings, pesticides, hormones and things like that( I've posted a related topic in ASH with the herpes thriving in such an environment, because the body cannot defend itself being poisoned with chemicals), let's not forget the recreational drugs, alcohol, cigaretts, lots of people use. Those are incomparably worse. > I think that you should read "Fit For Life" by Harvey Diamond. He has some > really good, basic information that would really help you to understand > these things better. He can also help you to better understand how to > properly eat animal products, along with a mostly raw diet. OK, I will, if I find that book in the store or at the library. > "Perl Molson" <beatadje@email.com> wrote in message > > > Those are a few links to raw food body builders. There are a few other [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > meat/animal products, you might find that you can really do some wonders for > your body. Organic meat/ animal products are quite expensive, you know. But, yeah, occasionally would be allright. > > The truth is that, more we become interested in such healthier diets, > > in time, we will be accounted to eat better. > > This is true. Once you know the truth, it's hard to go back to eating the > foods that are making our population so ill. Well, I would rather call it, once you figure out what foods are making you feel healthier. Whether if it's truth or not, it is a different side of the coin. What makes you feel better on a short term, doesn't necessarily apply to long term plans. > > I can tell you this for sure, for example, when I used to drink lots > > of coffee, I almost became addicted to it; I've started drinking teas [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Yep. Caffeine is really baaaaad for your body. In high quantities, yes. In small quantities, you would not believe that, it can be extremelly beneficial for at least a dozen of reasons. I recommend you to read more about coffee. > > More we learn about health, even healthier we want to become. > > Don't you agree with it? [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Exercise is so important to our overall health!! Raw foodists are all about > exercise as well. And this is the area that I am weakest at. :( Here we arrived to a very large area of discussion. Right now I am focussing in this group, my attention towards other issues and not the physical exercise and such. > > Well, this is a much more complex subject; I will point out that, > > several substances needed by the nerves, brain etc for a proper [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > I do not believe this to be true. But it's okay to disagree. :) A very controversial topic. It is relative to each individual, depending upon lots of factors, such as metabolism, energy consumption etc. > > Lettuce, huh? I know what you mean. > > It sounds like a good plan to eat a lettuce every day. > > I think I shoud try that, too. > > A salad a day will do wonders for your body. :) I'm sure it will. Perl Molson > ar "Perl Molson" <beatadje@email.com> wrote in message > Interesting issue. Hmmm, we are omnivores but our > bodies are made for ingesting of the plant foods. > Never heared of this one before. Thanks for pointing it out, though. No...YOU believe we are omnivores. :) There are others that believe we are meant to be vegetarians. The point being that if you point to teeth (or any other part of the anatomy) and say we are meant to eat meat, then you need to be prepared to have someone point to another part of the anatomy and say, "no, here is proof that we are herbivores." > That's true about colorants, flavourings, pesticides, hormones and > things like that( I've posted [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > people use. > Those are incomparably worse. No, not really. You are underevaluating the danger of what's in our food today. > Organic meat/ animal products are quite expensive, you know. > But, yeah, occasionally would be allright. You simply can't put a price on health, Perl. I was spending well over $100 a month in prescription meds and over the counter meds. Now I use none of those things (except one thyroid med). So, my food may cost more but I'm no longer spending money on medications. And I haven't had a cold in over two years. > Well, I would rather call it, once you figure out what foods are > making you > feel healthier. Whether if it's truth or not, it is a different side > of the coin. Not "feel" healthier - "Be" healthier. > What makes you feel better on a short term, doesn't necessarily apply > to > long term plans. Yes, this is true. But there are quite a few 20 year long raw food vegans that look fantastic. I still have a ways to go.. > > Yep. Caffeine is really baaaaad for your body. > > In high quantities, yes. > In small quantities, you would not believe that, it can be > extremelly beneficial for at least a dozen of reasons. > I recommend you to read more about coffee. No need to read up on coffee. I already have. There's not a whole lot to say about it that's good. The articles written about the benefits of caffeine are written by people addicted to it. :) ar Anyhow, Ar, since you consider that eating a healthy diet will keep you from having any herpes OB's, what does these really mean? Were you eating nuts and seeds and other high in arginine foods, such as oranges, as well, from the beginning, that were included into your new, healthier diet ( I remember you mentioning something around 3 years ago)? I read you've said you are eating nuts, seeds, for the benefit of their high proteins content. Were you eating these high arginine containing foods since you've started this diet? Are you saying that even if having such a diet, you did not get any OB's considering you were not taking any prescription drugs and you did not care for any antivirals such as the alternative stuff? Perl Molson > "Perl Molson" <beatadje@email.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > ar Hi Perl, Before my diet change, I was allergic to oranges. I am no longer allergic oranges and eat a lot of them. I also was allergic to nuts but now I can eat them. However, they do not agree with me still so I do not eat them. I have not ever taken any of the medications. I had very few outbreaks before the diet change as well. I've had one outbreak in the last three years - since changing my diet. My point is that eating a healthy diet will keep your immune system functioning optimally. And THAT is the best way to keep your herpes at bay. ar > Anyhow, Ar, since you consider that eating a healthy diet will > keep you from having any herpes OB's, what does these really mean? [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > > > ar AND I would just like to add to what ar stated that it's important for each person to figure out what type of diet and exercise will work for them. If you can control your herpes through diet and exercise that's the way to go! If not - then you have to do what is best for you, your body, and your situation. Angela :) Signaturewww.yoshi2me.com www.herpesonline.org www.wartsonline.org New Message Board: www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php My Blogger: www.yoshi2me.blogspot.com > Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > ar I see, so basically you are a raw-veggan; you said you get your proteins for your diet from nuts and seeds; but you are not eating nuts. Even though you are a raw-veggan, you still eat 30% meat, that is organic meat. Well, Ar, I think it's a bit missleading but anyway, that's fine. The immune system is the most important factor to keep the herpes at bay, but I am wondering if just by eating a healthy diet itself would do it. I think it depends what we consider as the diet; after all, all those antivirals are considered to be food supplements and are over the counter, they are also natural, so I guess it would fit your description. I read you are posting at alt.support.thyroid and I am wondering how do you think your thyroid problem is affecting the herpes problem or vice-versa. The thyroid is one of the organs involved in the proper functionality of all the hormonal and metabolic processes. Forgive me, that I am asking you this question, Ar, but, have you ever smoke pot(marijuana) (or other recreational drugs or cigarrets, alcohol)? It's pretty scary, to think that you've blamed the food's poor quality for your problems. God bless, Perl Molson > Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 104 lines] > > > > > > ar Perl, Here is a serious problem...you don't understand anything we say to you! I am a raw foodist. I have not eaten meat in over three years. My diet consists of primarily raw fruits and raw veggies. I do still eat some grains - which are cooked. I do not eat nuts and never claimed to eat nuts. You asked about protein and I told you that some people eat more nuts and seeds for extra protein. I do not, however, feel the need for extra protein. > I see, > so basically you are a raw-veggan; you said you get your proteins for [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Well, Ar, I think it's a bit missleading but anyway, that's fine. Do you understand where you misunderstood now? I have not misled you in anyway. > The immune system is the most important factor to keep the herpes at > bay, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > counter, they are also natural, so I guess it would fit your > description. A healthy diet, plenty of rest, and exercise are what is needed for a healthy immune system. I have never heard anyone claim that antivirals were a food supplement! Where would you possibly come up with THAT? And they certainly aren't natural. Again, I think your misunderstanding of the English language is to blame here. > I read you are posting at alt.support.thyroid > and I am wondering how do you think your thyroid > problem is affecting the herpes problem or vice-versa. There is no connection between the two. > The thyroid is one of the organs involved in the > proper functionality of all the hormonal and metabolic processes. > Forgive me, that I am asking you this question, Ar, but, have you ever > smoke pot(marijuana) (or other recreational drugs or cigarrets, > alcohol)? It's pretty scary, to think that > you've blamed the food's poor quality for your problems. Never once have I used any drugs. I have never smoked pot. I have never smoked a cigarette. I drank half a glass of wine once when I was in college. It sounds to me as if you are making stuff up now to try to find some other way to excuse the fact that you don't want to believe that you are damaging your body by the stuff you are putting in to it. You are trying to find made up faults in other people and trying to jump to conclusions where there are no conclusions. My health problems are directly related to the food I ate prior to changing my diet. I think this is evidenced by the fact that when I changed my diet, most of them went away. It is scary that you live in such a state of denial. ar It's time to move on - huh ar ? Hang in there - Angela :) Signaturewww.yoshi2me.com www.herpesonline.org www.wartsonline.org STD Message Board: www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php My Blogger: www.yoshi2me.blogspot.com > Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > seeds for extra protein. I do not, however, feel the need for extra > protein. > Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > seeds for extra protein. I do not, however, feel the need for extra > protein. Oh, ok. > > I see, > > so basically you are a raw-veggan; you said you get your proteins for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Do you understand where you misunderstood now? I have not misled you in > anyway. Yeah, that's fine; sorry for the missunderstanding. > > The immune system is the most important factor to keep the herpes at > > bay, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > certainly aren't natural. Again, I think your misunderstanding of the > English language is to blame here. Since antivirals such as Olive Leaf, Reishi Mushrooms, Myrrh, etc are not under the FDA as antivirals officially, they are sold as food suplements in various stores. They are natural. You say you did not take any of these suplemments (or never did so)? > > I read you are posting at alt.support.thyroid > > and I am wondering how do you think your thyroid > > problem is affecting the herpes problem or vice-versa. > > There is no connection between the two. I understand there is no direct connection, but, what I mean is because someone has tyroid problems, it cannot take certain vitamins antivirals or some food as someone without this problem would do? > > The thyroid is one of the organs involved in the > > proper functionality of all the hormonal and metabolic processes. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ar Thanks for answering. I am not making stuff up, but there are so many folks out there that they take certain recreational drugs, are smokers, drinkers etc and neglect the warnings they receive, regarding their consumption. I have also avoided completelly such bad stuff. (half a glass of wine? believe me, there are nuns out there, they've been drinking more alcohol than yourself during the religious ceremonies, to say the least. lol) Perl Molson Hi Perl, Glad we cleared up the confusion. "Perl Molson" <beatadje@email.com> wrote in message > Since antivirals such as Olive Leaf, Reishi Mushrooms, Myrrh, etc > are not under the FDA as antivirals officially, they are sold as food > suplements in various stores. They are natural. You say you did not > take > any of these suplemments (or never did so)? Oh! I don't consider those antivirals. No, I do not take supplements. I learned a long time ago that most of them make me sick. I have trouble just taking vitamins and tend to stay away from them. > > > I read you are posting at alt.support.thyroid > > > and I am wondering how do you think your thyroid [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > because someone has tyroid problems, it cannot take certain vitamins > antivirals or some food as someone without this problem would do? For thyroid stuff, we argue mostly about whether or not iodine is good or bad (depends on what caused your thyroid disease in the first place). They also recommend taking B12 because thyroid problems can cause problems with absorption in the gut. But I can't take B12...And they recommend that we stay away from the goitergens - broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage. These are all fine when cooked - just not when raw. And, of course, stay far away from soy. > Thanks for answering. I am not making stuff up, but there are so many > folks out there that they take certain recreational drugs, are > smokers, > drinkers etc and neglect the warnings they receive, regarding their > consumption. > I have also avoided completelly such bad stuff. I'm glad to hear it. :) > (half a glass of wine? believe me, there are nuns out there, they've > been drinking more alcohol than yourself during the religious > ceremonies, to say the least. lol) :) I was a strange kid...everyone else was trying to score some beer and all I wanted to do was get home and back to whatever book I was reading. ar Herpes Sitz Bath 3 Drops Bergamot Oil 3 Drops tea tree Oil 2 Drops Eucalyptus Oil 2 Drops Geranium Oil 20 Minites in Bath or Direct Applicator 1 Ounce jojoba oil 6 Drops bergamot oil 4 Drops myrrh Oil 3 Drops Tea Tree Oil 2 Drops Clary Sage Oil Lovely Smells Psychologically assists treatment, other treatements inlcude Gamma-Interferon and Interleukin Cytokines from Products Like Dr Auers Immuno Boost and Cell Food, (most Effective treatment of All), Zinc Tablets also kill the virus on Direct Handy for direct Application, I did all of these treatment in conjunctoin with one another, sorted, for God sakes just make sure you treat your partner as well. > "Perl Molson" <beatadje@email.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > > ar >Everywhere you read about herpes issues, you can see >folks motivating their stress as the major cause for OB's. >It seems to me, that this herb, "Valerian", may be the perfect >fit for this problem. From my experience, I can make a very >clear association between the particular type of stress that >is related with the triggering of an OB and the >effect of Valerian upon the cancelling of such forms of stress. So now there's a "particular type of stress" that triggers outbreaks? Forgive me if I suggest that you are singularly ill-equipped to make such distinctions, Perl, and that others, whose outbreaks might be triggered by stresses of other particular types, may want to seek professional medical consultation before they self-medicate with "chemically unstable iridoid triesters possessing sedative activity". Mike > >Everywhere you read about herpes issues, you can see > >folks motivating their stress as the major cause for OB's. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Mike Definitelly, I advice as I always do in here, folks not to follow my ideas literally. There are out there homeopaths, naturists, acupuncturists etc ready to give you their proffesional advise. The fact that I am posting in here is the way everyone can post their ideeas; most of the matherial is available a click away, on the Internet. You can read this stuff either here or elsewhere. Posting this stuff allows you and others to add their opinions. The group seems pretty active almost on a daily basis and I have no knowledge of something similar where there are more specific, techical discussions; besides, it seems that posting here increases my interest in trying to understand the virus and finding the right treatments. Now, about that type of stress I have mentioned to be one of the causes or related to the triggers ( anyway, part of the symptoms associated with herpes OB and such), it is hard for me to explain its particularity. It seems that it works for me and that's about it at least for now. I always base my ideeas on intuition and I can tell whether something works or not. When you see a clear improvement and dissapearance of the particular symptoms of the diseases, it is clear that the treatment have worked out. Like I've said, I see herpes problem a sum of diseases. (you can read that answer for Ar, I have pointed out a few other issues there) Perl Molson <snip> >I always base my ideeas on intuition and I can tell whether something >works or not. That ain't science. It's something deserving of something other than praise. Figger it out. Mike Well, I'm just plain crazy... I got more stress coming outa my ears than earwax... and I got a lot of earwax. I'm think'n I'm screwed. > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mike Mike, there are millions out there that have been cured from "incurable diseases", through the use of folk remedies and other alternative methods or "magic", if you wish. Intuition is part of the human intelligence. If a certain method works, in order for it to work, there is no need for anyone to know how it works as deep as at a mollecular level or even deeper. Intuition, together with trial and error has been used for millenia in curing diseases. Once you get cured, then you can start to try to understand how that cure has worked from a scientific point of view. Valerian is known to have been treated the following conditions: Anxiety/tension, muscle aches, cramps, spasms, neuralgia (nerve pain), stress, insomnia. Traditionally has been used as a sedative and an anti-nauseant,as well as for gastrointestinal and urinary symptoms. Valerian's mechanism of action is (partially, of course): Because of valerian's historical use as sedative, anti-convulsant, migraine treatment and pain reliever, most basic science research has been directed at the interaction of valerian constituents with the GABA neurotransmitter receptor system. These studies remain inconclusive and all require independent replication. The mechanism of action of valerian in general, as a mild sedative in particular, remains unknown. Valerian extracts appear to have some affinity for the GABA A (benzodiazepine) receptor, but this activity does not appear to be mediated by valerenic acid, but rather by therelatively high content of GABA itself. There is also some suggestion of an anti-pyretic (agent that causes fever) or anti-inflammatory effect of valerian extracts. etc etc these above text I've taken from some medical journals. There are too many to be mentioned in here, from the lack of time. Mike, think about all these and meditate upon them. Caution! Don't take valerian if operating a motor vehicle or a hazarduous machinery. Perl Molson >> >I always base my ideeas on intuition and I can tell whether something >> >works or not. >> That ain't science. It's something deserving of something other >> than praise. Figger it out. >Mike, there are millions out there that have been cured from >"incurable diseases", through the use of folk remedies and >other alternative methods or "magic", if you wish. That's patently false, Perl, even if your use of quotes is meant to suggest that the enclosed terms are to be differently defined depending on whether one lives in the 13th or 21st centuries. That the, for instance, bubonic plague was once thought "incurable" and now isn't, has nothing to do with folk medicine or magic. Your faith in the less explicable aspects of mumbo jumbo is touching, however. >Intuition is part of the human intelligence. Under particular circumstances, intuition can be indispensible, but to be successful it must almost always be guided by great intellegence and even greater experience. Gary Kasparov makes great use of intuition while playing chess, but it is unlikely his intuition would serve him at all well in designing a drug to cure HSV. However, I suspect that you, Perl, are as confused about the term "intuition" as you are about everything else. For you it seems to devolve to some kind of faith in a largely antique sort of pre-science. >If a certain method works, in order for it to work, >there is no need for anyone to know how it works >as deep as at a mollecular level or even deeper. There is a difference between asserting that something works and proving that it actually does. >Intuition, together with trial and error has been used for millenia >in curing diseases. It seems obvious (at least to me) that the success rate of such *cures* was rather abysmal until scientists pasted their eyeballs onto the actual creatures (bacteria, fungi) and agents (viruses) that are the root cause of disease. Now, thanks to the obvious superiority of science over folk medicine and "magic" all kinds of diseases are indeed treatable and curable. Our life spans, in the Western world, are now double what they were a century ago, and folk medicine and magic had nothing to do with it. <snip> Mike > > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > it is unlikely his intuition would serve him at all well in > designing a drug to cure HSV. Now, you are a philosopher... > However, I suspect that you, Perl, are as confused about the term > "intuition" as you are about everything else. For you it seems to > devolve to some kind of faith in a largely antique sort of > pre-science. Indeed, I have beliefs in such unconventional treatments, that's right. The modern medicine is rather a more efficient way of treating on a large scale, globally if you will and not necessarily,a way of using better treatment for each individual case. > >If a certain method works, in order for it to work, > >there is no need for anyone to know how it works > >as deep as at a mollecular level or even deeper. > > There is a difference between asserting that something works and > proving that it actually does. Of course there is a difference; my priority is to get cured and then to eventually figure out how it has happened. Like I've said this before, if it will happen I'll know it and most certailnly I'll know why, considering that I am following closelly and carefully, all that I'm doing. > >Intuition, together with trial and error has been used for millenia > >in curing diseases. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Western world, are now double what they were a century ago, and folk > medicine and magic had nothing to do with it. Disease, pain and all the other problems caused by and related to herpes, that is, on a short and long term, had really given me the motivation to prioritise, into what is more important, to treat myself or to deny any alternative methods and wait for the stuperior scientifically proven methods (they have deep rooted origins in the alternative stuff for the most part, anyway). I've choosen the first, currently available option (available to myself, considering my spectacular experience into understanding certain fields of unconventional medicine). Perl Molson > <snip> > > Mike |
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