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S-Unit - 11 May 2004 02:04 GMT
Hello everyone. First off, I'm a new visitor to the group, for obvious
reasons, however
I would like to thank you all for your valuable contributions; it's helped
me with my
situation.

Turns out I probably contracted HSV (1 or 2) from a girl who never disclosed
this interesting
tidbit of information. I guess it's God paying me back for my lust,
anyhow...

Here's the story, provide any insight you wish, but I just need to get some
relief by telling the
story. After having sex with this woman 5+ times since mid-March. From very
early in this relationship,
being a very paranoid person, was in fear that I had contracted something
after a small bump formed on
the shaft of my penis. I went to the doctor and he basically gave me the
whole (you would know it
if you had it) deal. Ever since then, up until this week, I had a feeling
that something was wrong, but I
didn't know whether it was founded or not. I still don't know what the
genital issue is.

This past week after finding a bottle of Valtrex in her bathroom, and after
having sex, I asked her if she
had herpes. Her response was no, I was comforted, and after visiting the
Valtrex website I find out that
yes, it's quite possible she's taking them for cold soars, not herpes. What
a relief, right? No.

Today I noticed a pimple-like bump, which may in fact be a pimple (since I
have acne problems), in the
center of my upper lip. That was scary enough, but this afternoon I noticed
what seems to be a cold
soar on the underside of my lip. I called her, and she tells me that she had
the oral type of herpes.

I'm going to the county health department tomorrow to get at least a
semi-conclusive test to give myself
piece of mind, one way or the other. Wish me luck! I've pretty much resigned
myself to the fact that I have
at least oral herpes. I just wanted to ask you guys, and maybe encourage
people who are here and are not
sure whether or not they have it, to go get tested.

Like I said, I have been worried about this for about almost two months, and
it's caused headaches, worry,
and a poor quality of life. You don't want to go through that! Waiting only
makes things worse because
either A) you can pass it on to other people or B) you worry like hell and
you can't even enjoy the things
you should!

As a side note, in a rush to ward off any possible outbreak before my
results are conclusive, I baught myself a
bag of dietary supplements. Lysine (500MG tablets), Zinc (22.5 per tablet),
and Vitamin C (1,000MG tablets).
I am willing to try this because if I have herpes, I don't care what the
hell I try, because like I've read here, different
things work for different people. And for those who could provide some help
or guidelines on the supplements,
I would appreciate it.

Thanks,
--Snowy
M.L.S. - 11 May 2004 05:28 GMT
>Hello everyone. First off, I'm a new visitor to the group, for
>obvious reasons, however I would like to thank you all for your
>valuable contributions; it's helped me with my situation.

Hello S-Unit, and welcome to the group.  Glad it's been a help to
you.

>Turns out I probably contracted HSV (1 or 2) from a girl who never
>disclosed this interesting tidbit of information. I guess it's God
>paying me back for my lust, anyhow...

You slept with God??!?  Wow.    ;-)

>Here's the story, provide any insight you wish, but I just need to
>get some relief by telling the story. After having sex with this
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>know whether it was founded or not. I still don't know what the
>genital issue is.

>This past week after finding a bottle of Valtrex in her bathroom,
>and after having sex, I asked her if she had herpes. Her response
>was no, I was comforted, and after visiting the Valtrex website I
>find out that yes, it's quite possible she's taking them for cold
>soars, not herpes. What a relief, right? No.

'Er, no.  I mean, yes.  Valtrex is only for one thing.  What a lot
of people call "herpes" is just cold sores on the genitals, but
whether a person has outbreaks on the skin around their lips or in
the genital region, it's the same thing: either herpes simplex 1 or
herpes simplex 2.

>Today I noticed a pimple-like bump, which may in fact be a pimple
>(since I have acne problems), in the center of my upper lip. That
>was scary enough, but this afternoon I noticed what seems to be a
>cold soar on the underside of my lip. I called her, and she tells
>me that she had the oral type of herpes.

Yep.  It's not really very unusual, though.  Most adults in the U.S.
have oral herpes.  Most people who have it don't realize it though,
because, for them, it never causes outbreaks.  You, yourself, could
have had it for a long time, and it only lately decided to pop out.
Or, of course, you could have gotten it from kissing the girl.

>I'm going to the county health department tomorrow to get at least
>a semi-conclusive test to give myself piece of mind, one way or
>the other. Wish me luck! I've pretty much resigned myself to the
>fact that I have at least oral herpes. I just wanted to ask you
>guys, and maybe encourage people who are here and are not sure
>whether or not they have it, to go get tested.

Good luck, and I hope your test comes back negative, and that you've
just got a regular pimple.

>Like I said, I have been worried about this for about almost two
>months, and it's caused headaches, worry, and a poor quality of
>life. You don't want to go through that! Waiting only makes things
>worse because either A) you can pass it on to other people or B)
>you worry like hell and you can't even enjoy the things you
>should!

Good advice.  If more people got tested, and more importantly, went
in with their potential partners to get tested, there would a lot
less heartbreak in the world over things like herpes.

>As a side note, in a rush to ward off any possible outbreak before
>my results are conclusive, I baught myself a bag of dietary
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>those who could provide some help or guidelines on the
>supplements, I would appreciate it.

You've already got the usual supplements, so you're doing pretty
good.  Stay active and eat right, and try to avoid stress, and
chances are herpes will end up being nothing more than a minor
intermittant annoyance.

>Thanks,
>--Snowy

Take care,

Mike
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 11 May 2004 08:24 GMT
S-Unit posted:
>after visiting the Valtrex website I found out that
>>yes, it's quite possible she's taking them for cold
>>soars, not herpes. What a relief, right? No.

>'Er, no.  I mean, yes.  Valtrex is only for one thing.

Except Shingles. That's one other thing it's used for.

>What a lot
>of people call "herpes" is just cold sores on the genitals, but
>whether a person has outbreaks on the skin around their lips or in
>the genital region, it's the same thing

Exactly.
And as far as the way it behaves, i.e. prodrome, outbreaks,
subclinical shedding, etc, it's the same there too. Only the locations
are different.

M2
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 11 May 2004 17:23 GMT
M.L.S. writes:
>>'Er, no.  I mean, yes.  Valtrex is only for one thing.
M2slo2cht writes:
>Except Shingles. That's one other thing it's used for.

Just had another thought. Do you (or anybody else here) know what they
use these days to treat kids with Chicken Pox?  I have no idea but
just wondered if maybe they'd treat it with the Acyclovir antivirals.
You don't hear much about Chicken Pox (or at least I don't) anymore.

M2
Tim Fitzmaurice - 11 May 2004 22:48 GMT
> M.L.S. writes:
> >>'Er, no.  I mean, yes.  Valtrex is only for one thing.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> just wondered if maybe they'd treat it with the Acyclovir antivirals.
> You don't hear much about Chicken Pox (or at least I don't) anymore.

Well there is a vaccine around now and has been for about 5 years I
think. its been mandatory in some places in the US for going to state
funded schools and its encourgaed in some places in the UK.

In kids chickenpox is usually a relatively benign disease that prevents
you being an adult risk - where its a LOT nastier all too often. For those
kids where it gets out of hand and you start getting complications or the
worry of complications, or adult chickenpox or shingles then they can
kick in the antivirals.

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 26 May 2004 21:20 GMT
M2 writes:
>Except Shingles. That's one other thing it's used for.

That was in response to discussion about what Valtrex is used for. So
far it's herp1&2 oral & genital, and Shingles. And now, for what it's
worth, I've read someone on another discussion group saying that
"Apparently Valtrex is an acceptable treatment for lymphadenopathy".

I have no idea what lymphadenopathy is <shrug> but just thought I'd
mention it.

M2
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 26 May 2004 21:27 GMT
M2 writes:
>for what it's
>worth, I've read someone on another discussion group saying that
>"Apparently Valtrex is an acceptable treatment for lymphadenopathy".

Hold the phone!!
I may have spoken to soon.
Seems now there's an authoritative response to the above statement on
said discussion group that seems a bit skeptical lol!

M2
Tim Fitzmaurice - 31 May 2004 21:16 GMT
> M2 writes:
> >Except Shingles. That's one other thing it's used for.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> I have no idea what lymphadenopathy is <shrug> but just thought I'd
> mention it.

Its any disease process that affects the lymph nodes - pretty much any
herpesvirus can make them swell and so treating it would reduce the
lymphadenopathy associated.

There are some pretty aggressive disease states where that sort of effect
is the focus of the disease process and the major presentation - unless
that is herpesvirus related (eg HHV6, EBV and so on) and caught early
enough before it becomes self perpetuating independant of the virus then
its not going to have any effect...if you start seeing immunoblastic or
angioimmunoblastic lymphadenopathy you are talking about fairly nasty
diseases with a lot of research work and not the same as 'the glands are
up' as with herpesviruses

THey could also have seen Valtrex works with EBV, seen lymphadenopathy as
a symptom and also seen the phrase benign lymphadenosis (an old term for
mono) and miced things up to make 5 from 2 and 2 (malignant lymphadenosis
is an old term for lymphoma and fairly close to mix)

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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S-Unit - 11 May 2004 17:04 GMT
One other thing I'd like to add.

Incase you don't know, many cities and counties
provide free examinations. You don't have to schedule an
appointment, you just walk in, and you pay nothing!

-- S

> >Hello everyone. First off, I'm a new visitor to the group, for
> >obvious reasons, however I would like to thank you all for your
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>
> Mike
Grant - 11 May 2004 10:36 GMT
Hi Snowy,

Sorry to hear that this girl is a wee bit ignorant.  Please make sure that
she understands that oral herpes is herpes.  It's still a sexually
transmitted disease.  She probably has no idea that she can pass it on to
someone else's genitals through oral sex.

ar

> Hello everyone. First off, I'm a new visitor to the group, for obvious
> reasons, however
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> Thanks,
> --Snowy
 
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