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Except4 HSV - 24 Apr 2004 20:46 GMT
This is my first post to this or any other group regarding HSV.
Anonymity has been important until now.

I guess I have been relatively lucky in terms of symptoms.  But I am
having no luck in finding a mate.  I have been trying to date with HSV2
for the past five years. After a few months with a girlfriend, I try to
have the conversation. All too many otherwise great women have passed on
the option to advance the relationship.  And I just can't proceed
without the disclosure - probably the best way to irreparably damage a
relationship is to give an STD.

Anyway, getting on to my question, it seems to me that there has to be a
better way.  Where do I meet women who already have HSV2?

I have searched Google for HSV dating sites, and there are many.   The
few that I have tried seem to have only a few available matches, despite
living in metro Phoenix, the fifth largest city in the US.    Am I
missing something?  What sites are there that might be best?  Do I have
to subscribe to all of them?  Are there any other ways to meet women
with HSV?

Any help would be appreciated.
Grant - 24 Apr 2004 22:57 GMT
I'm sure you checked out Antopia.  It's the largest site, I think.

Have you done a search for "herpes" or "HSV" on Match.com?  Some people put
it in their profiles.

I've only been divorced for a little over a year but so far, all the guys
I've gotten close to have herpes and none of them were found on a herpes
site.  One had type 2 and the other two had type 1.  The point being, don't
limit yourself to herpes dating sites.  I can understand why you want to but
I don't think it's a good idea.

Good luck.
ar

> This is my first post to this or any other group regarding HSV.
> Anonymity has been important until now.
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>
> Any help would be appreciated.
kristen - 25 Apr 2004 04:24 GMT
All the sites have shallow men who want some perfect chic with herpes.
AtlantaGuy - 25 Apr 2004 06:12 GMT
> All the sites have shallow men who want some perfect chic with herpes.

Interesting, I found the perfect chic with herpes on one of those sites,
and then I married her.

But I'm not shallow so I guess I don't count.
AtlantaGuy - 25 Apr 2004 06:56 GMT
> This is my first post to this or any other group regarding HSV.
> Anonymity has been important until now.
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>
> Any help would be appreciated.

Hey Man, my advice is to quit looking for a mate.

Just hang out.  Make friends.  If you hang out on yahoo groups and such
where you can chat with people (hopefully many of them female) you will
eventually meet someone you would like to get to know better.  But in
the process you will make friends with lots of other people and realize
that you are not alone.

You'll meet someone eventually either online or offline, either who does
or does not have herpes.  But the key is to chill and be comfortable
with yourself.  It sounds like you have been taking this herpes thing
really seriously.

My big wake up call was when a teenage girl messaged me and all I could
think of was "damn, at least I didn't have to deal with this crap in
high school."

I met my wife 3 years ago on a Yahoo! group, the name of which I cannot
recall, because I joined about 40 of them.  But whenever you're logged
in, it shows you as logged in, and people can message you or you can
message them.  A nice thing about the Yahoo groups is that you don't
have to pay for them like with some of the personals sites.

Also, some of them are regional, but you should also keep yourself open
to people outside of your area.  Even if you can't move, maybe you will
meet someone who can move to you.

And remember, you are still a human being.  You can date women you meet
offline.

Go make friends.  You'll meet the right girl sooner or later.
kristen - 25 Apr 2004 16:14 GMT
I have tried NON herpes sites as well...and as soon as they see my pic,
they find an excuse.  And in REAL life....everyone in this town jokes
that  I have herpes...so how in the hell can I find anyone?
So, you are lucky and I am not. Thats life...single life forever for me.

ABB
"Anybody But Bush"
FredFlintstone - 25 Apr 2004 19:09 GMT
Hello Kristen

Well I'm a male and I'm on MPwH.  Can't find any women in Calgary Alberta,
mostly because I don't match their long "wish list".  I'm far from being
shallow and all I'm looking for is someone who I find attractive ... average
actually (I hate that word).  And whom is adult enough to allow each one of
us to remain the individuals that we are, without trying to change the other
person.  Yet still want to be with the other person and enjoy each other's
company ... oh and did I mention communication?

Can't find her locally, so I guess that I'll remain single too.  Why are all
the realistic ads there from women in the USA ... god I need to get out of
this crappy country ... lol.

Have a great day!!!
Art
AtlantaGuy - 26 Apr 2004 01:26 GMT
> I have tried NON herpes sites as well...and as soon as they see my pic,
> they find an excuse.  And in REAL life....everyone in this town jokes
> that  I have herpes...so how in the hell can I find anyone?
> So, you are lucky and I am not. Thats life...single life forever for me.

First thing I would suggest is to move... preferably to a place where
you can have some anonymity... but whatever suits you.

Complaining about being where you live or about being alone doesn't make
a lot of sense when you are the one who makes that choice.

I assure you that there is a guy out there for you... if you want to
find him.

> ABB
> "Anybody But Bush"

Right there with ya on that one.
kristen - 26 Apr 2004 04:26 GMT
Its expensive to move..I am hoping to get back into radio...so I will be
career happy and a chance to get out of this darn place. RIght now, my
finaces will not allow me to move.

ABB
"Anybody But Bush"
AtlantaGuy - 26 Apr 2004 06:26 GMT
> Its expensive to move..I am hoping to get back into radio...so I will be
> career happy and a chance to get out of this darn place. RIght now, my
> finaces will not allow me to move.

Well, in the meantime, if you hear any guys joking about you having
herpes, you have my permission--as a male of the species--to kick them
in the balls so they can know what it feels like.

OK, a male herpes outbreak doesn't actually feel like getting kicked in
the balls, but it's close enough to teach them a lesson.
Except4 HSV - 27 Apr 2004 06:16 GMT
Thanks for the responses.  I have not checked antopia, nor did I know
that match.com would allow a search term herpes.  What is MPwH?  It is
interesting that one responder did join some 40 services.

The comment that I seem to be uptight about this is, I think, a stretch.
Actually, I have done a great deal of well qualified research.  What I
have learned is that I am not alone - that between 20 and 25 percent of
adults are infected, according to NHANES data, that one half are
completely (or very minimally) symptomaic and, so, unaware of the gift.

And of the half that come to diagnosis, only half of these will admit
openly to it when queried.  Simple math then calculates that only one
one out 16 to 20 adults are in a positon to date others with herpes.
This means the playing field is pretty well narrowed.  Who in their
right mind would volunteer to join this club, either through a sexual
relatonship or marriage, even if the relationship were overflowing with
the most committed love, and the national divorce rate didn't exceed 50
percent.

Which brings me to an important point.  Genital herpes is much more than
blisters.  It is frequently accompanied by emotional and pychiatric
illness, including isolation, desparation, anger, depression and worse.
It takes a lot to keep it all togeher.

And, so, a note to Kristen, and others like her.  I believe it is very
important to fight agaainst the cynicism, because it only gets worse
from there.  For what it's worth, I don't believe that all enrollees on
HSV dating sites could be shallow looking only for perfect matches.
They are trying to find a way back to a more normal life, and that has
to count for alot.  I wouldn't consider myself shallow, rather, pretty
well read and cultured, Ivy league educated and holding an MD degree.
I'm not trying to brag.  I'm sure there have to be lots of special
people out there with HSV, even at one out of twenty.  I know I don't
want to stay single forever.

And so, back to my original question.  What are some of the other
relatively well known HSV dating sites?  I'll join 40 if I have to.
Chat rooms don't seem to be very practical, at least for me, but I'll
try anything.  What chat rooms would you all recommend?  Are there any
local, regional or national groups or meetings?

Thanks again.
Tim Fitzmaurice - 27 Apr 2004 09:06 GMT
> Actually, I have done a great deal of well qualified research.  What I
> have learned is that I am not alone - that between 20 and 25 percent of
> adults are infected, according to NHANES data,

NHANES III puts the average at 20.8 for the population as a whole.

> that one half are
> completely (or very minimally) symptomaic and, so, unaware of the gift.

This number is usually considered to be 80-90% unaware. NHANES III had
8469 HSV2 positive people in it. 1800 were unaware of having the disease,
140 were not and knew (ie answered yes to the question 'Have you ever had
genital herpes' - and this is a confidential questioning system so the
false answering rate plunges). There is a paper or two out on improved
self-detection and reporting with education so that might adjust the
numbers. But then Education about this disease is one thing thats
considered a need (and for both clinical professionals and the general
public alike).

Now remember this is HSV2 - NHANES looked at that, NOT HSV1 genital herpes
which accounts for about 1/3 of new cases in the US.

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
ICQ: 5178568
Grant - 27 Apr 2004 10:17 GMT
MPwH = Meeting People With Herpes.  It's the largest site.  Take a look at
it.

I was married to a non-infected man for 17 years.  As far as we know, he
never contracted herpes from me.  So, I honestly don't believe what you
wrote about people not willingly wanting to get involved with a herpes
infected person.

ar

> Thanks for the responses.  I have not checked antopia, nor did I know
> that match.com would allow a search term herpes.  What is MPwH?  It is
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>
> Thanks again.
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 27 Apr 2004 12:21 GMT
>I have not checked antopia, nor did I know
>that match.com would allow a search term herpes.

Match.com has "Keyword" capability that allows you to search any term
you can think of. I just searched "Man looking for Woman, ages 18-99,
anywhere in the US, keyword herpes" and pulled up seven pages of hits
(approx 70 profiles). Granted, it pulled up a few "no herpes" in some
wish lists, and a few profiles that didn't mention herpes at all
(don't know why that happened) but even taking those out would leave
50-60 profiles.

>What is MPwH?

That's antopia. It's a "for profit" site and one of the more well
established ones. It's fairly popular.

>And of the half that come to diagnosis, only half of these will admit
>openly to it when queried.  Simple math then calculates that only one
>one out 16 to 20 adults are in a positon to date others with herpes.

My math works like this.
1 in 5 are infected genitally, meaning 20 out of 100.
80% don't know, so now we're at 4 out of 100.
Of the 4, half are either in denial or in a closet so tightly locked
they never see the light of day. That leaves 2 out of 100.
Of the 2, only half have a computer and know how to use it.

>This means the playing field is pretty well narrowed.

You ain't jes a whistlin' Dixie.

>Who in their
>right mind would volunteer to join this club,

I personally know several discordant couples. And so far, they're
remaining discordant because they're well informed, have open
communication, and practice a bit of caution. The way they look at it,
if worse comes to worse, it's really not that big of a deal. Not life
threatening, not progressive, doesn't lead to any other illnesses,
frequency and severity decrease over time whether you treat it or not,
and if you're one of the 80% who are asymptomatic, how bad can THAT
be? The way I see it, if everyone knew the truth about genital herpes,
it would be seen in the same light as oral herpes which is the same
thing in a different location but a non-issue for most people.

>Which brings me to an important point.  Genital herpes is much more than
>blisters.  It is frequently accompanied by emotional and pychiatric
>illness, including isolation, desparation, anger, depression and worse.
>It takes a lot to keep it all togeher.

Another important point.  All of the aforementioned emotional and
psychiatric maladies are caused by the social stigma. Not by the
virus. Cure the social ignorance/stigma and you've cured 99% of a
herpster's problems.

>And so, back to my original question.  
>What are some of the other
>relatively well known HSV dating sites?

I think MPwH has the most members in the most locations, although some
areas of the country aren't represented very well if at all.
AfterH.com and Purpledoor.com are a couple of others.

>Chat rooms don't seem to be very practical,

Some people do chat and nothing else. Personally, I don't care for it.

>at least for me, but I'll try anything.

No harm in trying it.

>What chat rooms would you all recommend?

Can't help much there, but Yahoogroups has hundreds of groups, some
with chat rooms and all with message boards, several of which might
suit you depending on your location and/or interests. I think MSN has
something similar.

>Are there any
>local, regional or national groups or meetings?

Yep. Lots of those too. Here are a couple of lists:
http://www.atlantahclub.com/nhe
http://www.geocities.com/national_h_party/

M2
AtlantaGuy - 29 Apr 2004 00:00 GMT
> Thanks for the responses.  I have not checked antopia, nor did I know
> that match.com would allow a search term herpes.  What is MPwH?  It is
> interesting that one responder did join some 40 services.

Whoah... I wasn't talking about 40 herpes dating sites.  I was talking
about 40 yahoo groups.  And that might have been an exaggeration.  My
feeling about pay sites is that, if I have to pay... so does everyone
else.  That means there are fewer people on there.

Having herpes doesn't place you in that small of a group.  I don't see
why you should have to pay just to meet people.  Some of the sites may
be worth the money, but try the free ones first.

The Yahoo groups are totally free, with a lot of people on them,
interested in various things.

Some of them are swingers groups, some of them are purely social.  You
can usually tell what you're getting into by the name of the group.

Note: My wife told me that she was frequently messaged by guys who were
twice her age, who wanted her to go to "parties".  Understand what the
females are dealing with when you go to these sites.  Your username
should reveal something about you... something that might show a common
interest or something.

As a normal person, who isn't just "out to get laid quick" you will have
an advantage above the other males.
kristen - 29 Apr 2004 03:23 GMT
herpes is not a gift. I never asked for it and I dam well want a refund.

ABB
"Anybody But Bush"
Pain Devine - 21 May 2004 03:13 GMT
> ABB
> "Anybody But Bush"   <<<<<<<<<<<<< Hippe!

> herpes is not a gift. I never asked for it and I dam well want a refund.
>
> ABB
> "Anybody But Bush"
 
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