hello all, i've been living with herpes hsv2 for about 18mo now, and
am getting desperate for some answers. sorry this is going to be a
long message but i am hoping there are some real people who also have
hsv2 on this group and will be able to offer their personal opinions
and advice.
some background: as i said, had hsv2 for a while during which time my
health has steadily detoriated. initially it was just the 'textbook'
herpes outbreaks - blisters which healed over a few days. despite my
initial shock and horror at having herpes, i soon realized it was
possible to live a very normal life with these periodic outbreaks.
however, my whole genital region (penis, thighs, bum) then started to
get very sensitive and i had a constant burning sensation in my skin,
to the extent that it is uncomfortable to sit or wear long pants for
long periods of time. i figured this was due to herpes affecting the
nerves in that region (much like i think shingles does) and waited for
it to improve, but i have now had these symntoms for more than a year.
i then started to get rashes (not blisters) on my inner thighs. the
rash starts with a small red dot, which would rapidly expand into a
bigger circle. the outer edge of these circles have red bumps which
dry out, only to be replaced by more bumps in a wider circle (does
that make sense?). these rashes are initially very itchy, then get
sore especially if friction occurs (such as when walking in jeans).
they typically last for a few weeks altho recently i seem to have them
all the time. has anyone else experienced this, and if so, is it due
to the herpes virus?
about 6months ago i also started to have periodic fever flushes
throughout the day, which progressed to the stage where my body now
constantly feels it is overheating. i sweat constantly, even in
freezing weather, and find it very difficult to function in hot
conditions. not only is this uncomfortable but is also seriously
starting to affect my career as i cannot wear suits w/o sweating
intensely. to makes matters worse, the constant flushes have caused me
to develop bad acne, which is doing nothing to improve my
self-confidence.
i've read herpes is a 'heat-casuing' disease - anyone else experience
this?
the point being, everything i've read and every doctor i've spoken to
(and there have been MANY), says herpes is a periodic disease with
outbreaks every now and then, and periods of feeling fine inbetween.
in my case, i feel sick all the time, whether it's my skin burning or
my rash or my body feeling very hot. i've been to an allergist
(results = allergic to nothing), dermatologists (said my symptons
aren't due to herpes), urologists (said similar thing), an infectious
diseases specialist (had no idea what was wrong), even a neurologist
(since herpes affects the nerves) - all to no avail. doctors seem to
understand the textbook case but nothing further.
in terms of treatment, i am taking 500mg valtrex daily and have tried
just about every other suggested 'treatment' out there. i've applied
various essential oils (tea tree, lavender, thyme, h balm, melissa
balm), tried antifungal and cortisone creams, taken various supplments
(melissa again, st johns wort, echinacea for immune support, lysine,
etc), tried acupuncture, cut out all red meat, caffine, alcohol,
candy, etc - none of which help much. i exercise daily & besides the
above symptoms, am perfectly healthy. i've had blood tests for all the
major diseases (aids, lupus, autoimmunity, etc) and all thankfully
negative.
so now i am at a loss. the last few weeks my symptons have been
particularly bad and i'm not sure how to stop the steady progression
of the disease (assuming herpes is causing my symptoms). my theory is
that (a) my nerve endings are extremely sensitive due to the virus and
that is causing the skin problems (burning, rash) and (b) my body is
constantly fighting the virus which is causing the excess internal
heat (much like you get a fever when fighthing the flu).
i would love to know whether anybody out has herpes and is
experiencing similar symptons, and if so, please please do you have
any suggestions.
obviously, any advice whatsoever would be most appreciated.
Grant - 24 Apr 2004 01:15 GMT
Hi. I'll do my best to address your concerns. Keep reading below:
"curvadelrio" <curvadelrio@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> however, my whole genital region (penis, thighs, bum) then started to
> get very sensitive and i had a constant burning sensation in my skin,
> to the extent that it is uncomfortable to sit or wear long pants for
> long periods of time. i figured this was due to herpes affecting the
> nerves in that region (much like i think shingles does) and waited for
> it to improve, but i have now had these symntoms for more than a year.
This sounds like herpetic neuralgia. I have it too. Mine goes from the
bottom of my foot all the way up to the groin area. I can control it with
large doses of ibuprofin. But others need a stronger pain med. Do you have
the symptoms only when you are about to have an outbreak?
> i then started to get rashes (not blisters) on my inner thighs. the
> rash starts with a small red dot, which would rapidly expand into a
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> all the time. has anyone else experienced this, and if so, is it due
> to the herpes virus?
This does NOT sound like anything herpes related. I would suggest seeing a
doctor to have this problem looked at. It could be an allergy, a yeast
infection, etc.
> about 6months ago i also started to have periodic fever flushes
> throughout the day, which progressed to the stage where my body now
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> to develop bad acne, which is doing nothing to improve my
> self-confidence.
The constant flushing might be causing rosacea. There are medications for
that. (Can look like acne, but isn't). Fever flushes can be caused by lots
of things. For me, it was caused by allergies. The constant sweating is
unusual.
> i've read herpes is a 'heat-casuing' disease - anyone else experience
> this?
I've never heard of any of this being caused by herpes.
> the point being, everything i've read and every doctor i've spoken to
> (and there have been MANY), says herpes is a periodic disease with
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> (since herpes affects the nerves) - all to no avail. doctors seem to
> understand the textbook case but nothing further.
I'm glad you've been to the doctors. But, you aren't seeing the right ones.
:)
Did the allergist test you for ALL allergens? Including food? What about
chemicals? How about testing your thyroid? None of those doctors will do
much for you as far as checking yeast (Candida). How about seeing an
accupuncturist?
> in terms of treatment, i am taking 500mg valtrex daily and have tried
> just about every other suggested 'treatment' out there. i've applied
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> major diseases (aids, lupus, autoimmunity, etc) and all thankfully
> negative.
Okay. Thanks for filling in the blanks.
> so now i am at a loss. the last few weeks my symptons have been
> particularly bad and i'm not sure how to stop the steady progression
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> constantly fighting the virus which is causing the excess internal
> heat (much like you get a fever when fighthing the flu).
Herpes is not causing this. Herpes is only part of the problem. Herpes is
an opportunistic virus. If your body is having a problem, the herpes will
happen. You need to find the actual cause.
> i would love to know whether anybody out has herpes and is
> experiencing similar symptons, and if so, please please do you have
> any suggestions.
You said you tried changing diets. But how long did you stick to each
change? Detox can be pretty heavy for some people and take months to get
through. In other words, a few weeks isn't enough to notice a difference.
I think that you need to look to more alternative doctors. Try a
naturopath. I am interested in hearing what the problem actually is.
Good luck.
ar
curvadelrio - 24 Apr 2004 19:49 GMT
thanks for the advice.
>This sounds like herpetic neuralgia
very possible. just read up about it quickly and apparently it
gradually improves over time. i have time so going to wait and see
what happens. also i'm trying to take as few medicines as possible so
for now am not going to go the ibuprofin route.
>This does NOT sound like anything herpes related. I would suggest seeing a
>doctor to have this problem looked at. It could be an allergy, a yeast
>infection, etc.
i'm relieved you think it's not herpes.
>The constant flushing might be causing rosacea. There are medications for
>that. (Can look like acne, but isn't). Fever flushes can be caused by lots
>of things. For me, it was caused by allergies. The constant sweating is
>unusual.
rosacea .. hmm, possible, will return to dermatologist and see what he
thinks. alto think if i can treat the cause (flushing, overheating,
sweating, etc) then the acne/rosacea will clear up by itself.
>Herpes is not causing this. Herpes is only part of the problem. Herpes is
>an opportunistic virus. If your body is having a problem, the herpes will
>happen. You need to find the actual cause.
exactly. the fact that you think there is another cause is a huge
help. will carry on investigating .. these things take time and
hopefully will find something along the way. will also look into alt
healers altho the cost is what has made me hesitant up to now (my
medical insurance won't cover).
thanks again, will let you know of any news. gm
LK - 24 Apr 2004 13:37 GMT
>i then started to get rashes (not blisters) on my inner thighs. the
>rash starts with a small red dot, which would rapidly expand into a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>all the time. has anyone else experienced this, and if so, is it due
>to the herpes virus?
This sounds like it might be a kind of fungus infection like ringworm.
Maybe a strategy would go to a different dermatologist and put down
herpes in medical history but address the rashes and this problem
without talking about HSV2.
Check for again allergies. Skin contact allergies, switch to a very
mild detergent or even an "organic" detergent. Stop using colognes,
after shaves, no shaving in the genital region, wearing looser
clothing (which you may have mentioned).
It's possible that there could be another environmental trigger for
some of what is going on. He you moved recently or changed jobs?
Some people develop sensitivities to materials or chemicals released
by new construction or other changes and once that happens your body
reacts to everything.
Get friends and co-workers to tone down the perfumes. Go through your
clothes and try more natural fibers. How are you storing your
clothes? What kind of cleaning products do you use? Are chemicals
being used on the lawns of your neighbors or parks you frequent?
I have higher tolerance for perfumes and things since I now take beta
blockers for my heart, which means I don't feel dizzy or pass out from
the strong smells.
There are environmental websites that deal with allergies and
sensitivities and you'll be shocked at some of the symptoms common
modern products cause in some people.
You may want to try a herbal healer, a Naturopath(?) and embark on a
process of elimination of various contacts with whatever.
Keep a journal of what you eat, where you have been, what you did,
what you wear, what soaps and detergents you use and note any changes,
symptoms. It will take an investment of time to get some answers.
LK
curvadelrio - 24 Apr 2004 20:00 GMT
> This sounds like it might be a kind of fungus infection like ringworm.
possible, looks like it's time to go back to the dermatologist.
> Check for again allergies. Skin contact allergies, switch to a very
> mild detergent or even an "organic" detergent. Stop using colognes,
> after shaves, no shaving in the genital region, wearing looser
> clothing (which you may have mentioned).
unfortunately i've tried most of these. i've changed all toiletries to
organic versions and that didn't seem to help. i have a strong feeling
the outer symptoms (rash, heat, etc) are due to internal problems
(virus, some other internal issue?). similar idea to chinese medicine
.. the health of the skin is a reflection of the health of the
internal organs. which is part of the reason why skin diseases
(herpes, acne, psoriosis, eczema) are so difficult to treat.
> It's possible that there could be another environmental trigger for
> some of what is going on. He you moved recently or changed jobs?
> Some people develop sensitivities to materials or chemicals released
> by new construction or other changes and once that happens your body
> reacts to everything.
yes, definitely might be environmental related altho recently went on
month long beach vacation to see whether my condition improved and it
didn't. maybe i need more than 1mo to clear the toxins out my system?
> I have higher tolerance for perfumes and things since I now take beta
> blockers for my heart, which means I don't feel dizzy or pass out from
> the strong smells.
beta blockers? will have to read up about these.
> You may want to try a herbal healer, a Naturopath(?) and embark on a
> process of elimination of various contacts with whatever.
> Keep a journal of what you eat, where you have been, what you did,
> what you wear, what soaps and detergents you use and note any changes,
> symptoms. It will take an investment of time to get some answers.
yes, thanks for all the good advice. will continue investigating and
keep you informed. gm
Grant - 24 Apr 2004 20:57 GMT
"curvadelrio" <curvadelrio@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> yes, definitely might be environmental related altho recently went on
> month long beach vacation to see whether my condition improved and it
> didn't. maybe i need more than 1mo to clear the toxins out my system?
A month to clear out your system?
If it is an allergy, then it will clear up quickly. If it's a toxin in your
body then it can takes months or years. I think you're "supposed" to
estimate one month of detox for every year that you used the toxin.
However, if you are continuing to put toxins into your system, then the
detox will not happen. The only way to properly detox your body is to stop
contact with all toxins - that means begin with a diet high in organic raw
fruits and raw veggies and then go from there.
ar
Except4 HSV - 27 Apr 2004 06:55 GMT
What you desribe could all be related to HSV. The skin lesions can vary
considerably, from single to multiple red nodules, close together of far
apart, painful or completely insensitive. Some lesions can be single or
clusters - small or large - of blistes which may or may not rupture.
Some lesions may ulcerate and heal very slowly, and even leave scars.
although most often will not.
Any local infection may lower immunity and allow other opportunistic
infections. The expanding lesion you describe sounds like tinea, caused
by a skin yeast or fungus. This is best treated with topical
medication. Lamisil is one of the best and is available over the
counter. Just be sure to use it faithfully two or three times a day,
and continue for two weeks after it appears resolved - the yeast lives
in the deeper layers of skin, and if not completely eradicated, will
return promptly.
Forget about the beta blockers. Wrong drug for the job, except perhaps
if you suffer lots of stress. A side effect of this class of drug is to
blunt the body's response to adrenaline, the stress hormone. The are
many better pharmaceuticals for stess. Better yet, if you're stressed
out, try alpha (or transcendental) meditation, on a regular basis. It
works, and has been scientifically shown to block the response to
adrenaline and stress. And you can combine mental imagery to thwart the
virus. This therapy is used in the leading cancer centers as an adjunct
to conventional chemo and radiation therapis, and it works.
Regarding diet, there are many with HSV who are sensitive to foods with
high quantities of histidine, an amino acid which is essential for the
synthesis of new HSV virus particles responsible for outbreaks. The
list of such foods is long, and includes shrimp, nuts, coffee, broccoli
and many others. Some benefit from lysine tablets, as lysine competes
for histidine binding sites, and may slow replication of the virus.
Lastly, the rash on the face does sound lke rosacea. There are various
triggers for this type of acne, including emotional stress, sunlight and
spicy food. Avoid the triggers. There are topical antibiotics which
are available by presciption. You may have to try several (for at least
a few weeks to check for response) before finding one that works for
you. There is also a photo-facial treatment which is quite effective
and durable, but a bit expensive, and not usually covered by insurance.
As a bonus, it does take years off the complexion. Just be sure to find
an experienced and respectable practitioner.
Hope this helps. All of the above represents real medical advice, no
hype or voodoo.
Except4 HSV - 27 Apr 2004 07:01 GMT
PS A simple and very effective way to control painful or
hypersenisitve areas is to apply Listerine. No joke. Lasts for several
hours. I prefer the green variety, but others prefer the original
smelly stuff.