I'm dating a woman who picked up herpes from her ex some years ago.
I've tried to be supportive, but I'm having some difficulty and I have
some questions.
She's pretty much ashamed and doesn't want to talk about it, and so
I've not been able to find out whether she's on any suppression
therapy or what, and it seems rude to just rifle through her medicine
cabinet. Any suggestions on ways to broach the subject gently? If
she's not, obviously I can't make her do it but any ways to try to
convince her?
On the same line, she won't tell me when she's not having an outbreak,
unless she's having them constantly (is that possible?). So our sex
life is pretty nonexistent, and while I'm crazy about her that's
really not an acceptable long-term solution.
My understanding is that oral sex is out, regardless of outbreaks,
both giving and receiving except with a condom or dental dam (either
of which seems kind of yucky). Is that right?
While she was at least honest enough to tell me about the HSV before
we got too intimate, I'm frustrated at how she's clammed up since on
it. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
g
>I'm dating a woman who picked up herpes from her ex some years ago.
>I've tried to be supportive, but I'm having some difficulty and I have
>some questions.
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>I've not been able to find out whether she's on any suppression
>therapy or what, and it seems rude to just rifle through her medicine
>cabinet.
Rude?? Men have been SHOT for less ;-)
>On the same line, she won't tell me when she's not having an outbreak,
>unless she's having them constantly (is that possible?).
Not many people have constant outbreaks. And the longer she's been
infected, the less likely they'll be severe or frequent. Even so,
suppression should help with that.
>My understanding is that oral sex is out, regardless of outbreaks,
Who told you THAT??? Frankly, there are to many ifs, ands, & buts
about herpes to generalize that way. In your case, it depends on what
type(s) she has and where she's infected. Also depends on you! Have
you had a blood test for herpes ... ever? (I'm assuming you've never
had symptoms). Most people infected with herpes (far more than half)
show no recognizable symptoms. And with 25% (or more) of the adult
population infected, that's a LOT of infected people that think
they're herp negative. So it wouldn't hurt for you to find out your
status for sure with a blood test because you are *half* the risk
assesment equation. Next, you need to know exactly where *she's*
infected and with which type.
Let's just say for example, you're both positive for type 1oral (like
the vast majority of the population), and she's positive for type 2
genital (like 25%). In that situation, the risk of transfer via oral
sex is pretty dang minimal whether giving or receiving. Once you've
had type 1 long enough for your immune system to protect against it,
it's unlikely you'll get it again in a second location. So you're good
to receive oral sex and so is she. As far as type 2 is concerned, it
doesn't transfer very easily to the oral area. Not to say it's
impossible, but it's highly unlikely. So you're good to go there.
Granted, transfer risk is alway much higher during an outbreak so
you'll have to just forego any kind of sex then. But otherwise, the
risk isn't worth giving it up in my humble opinion.
oh! and even in the unlikely event that a type 2 transfer takes place
to the oral region, the chances of it being a problem are extremely
nil. Statistically, type 2 oral outbreaks seldom if ever occur after
the initial outbreak.
Sooo ... like I said, it just all depends on the situation.
>While she was at least honest enough to tell me about the HSV before
>we got too intimate, I'm frustrated at how she's clammed up since on
>it. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I've proven to myself time and time again, I don't know diddley squat
about women. However, she might benefit from a good support group.
Even an online group can teach her quite a bit about herpes and the
more you know about it the more you realize how ridiculous the stigma
is, and the same about feeling ashamed. Going back through the
archives of this group (on Google) can be beneficial, and if she has
specific questions, tell her to come here and ask.
If it's emotional support and understanding she needs, from a bunch of
upbeat, understanding, and knowledgable girly girls, she might try
joining;
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces
It's a freebie YahooGroup. She can lurk over there if she'd like or
just jump right in with the conversations. There are a few men over
there but it's mostly women and, believe me, there's never a dull
moment. I'll bet she'd love it and at the same time, begin to realize
how "not alone" she actually is.
Anyhow, good luck with the situation. And cudos to you for not buying
into the ridiculous stigma thing that much of the unenlightened
segment of society perpetuates. Keep reading, keep learning, and try
to keep the risk/reward thing in its proper perspective.
M2
Slam - 13 Mar 2004 00:25 GMT
> oh! and even in the unlikely event that a type 2 transfer takes place
> to the oral region, the chances of it being a problem are extremely
> nil. Statistically, type 2 oral outbreaks seldom if ever occur after
> the initial outbreak.
"Extremely nil" or just somewhat low? If someone were to acquire type
2 oral, wouldn't there be a risk that they could pass it onto any
future partners that do not already have herpes? Even without a
visible outbreak, can't shedding occur just as it does for genital
herpes? We know that genital type-2 herpes is frequently passed by
shedding without a visible outbreak; isn't this also possible for oral
type-2? Perhaps this rarely happens, but can you really assert that
the chances are "exteremely nil"?
> and try to keep the risk/reward thing in its proper perspective.
My GF has genital herpes and we don't feel that performing unprotected
oral sex on her is worth the risks at this time. I haven't yet read a
study or seen any evidence that quantified the risks of transmission
in this type of situation.
Grant - 13 Mar 2004 01:04 GMT
Hi Slam,
The decision about whether or not to have oral sex with your gf is all
yours. It's about your comfort zone and no one else's.
However, type 2 is very rare in the oral region but it does happen.
ar
> > oh! and even in the unlikely event that a type 2 transfer takes place
> > to the oral region, the chances of it being a problem are extremely
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> study or seen any evidence that quantified the risks of transmission
> in this type of situation.
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 13 Mar 2004 03:09 GMT
On Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:03:23 -0600, M2slo2cht wrote:
>> oh! and even in the unlikely event that a type 2 transfer takes place
>> to the oral region, the chances of it being a problem are extremely
>> nil.
>"Extremely nil" or just somewhat low?
Extremely low. You are correct, it's not nil which is zero. Neither is
getting hit by lightning on a sunny day at the beach. But it's
extremely low too. Sorry for the slip up.
>Perhaps this rarely happens, but
>can you really assert that
>the chances are "exteremely nil"?
Nope. I was thinking "almost nil" and/or "extremely low" but <shrug>
somehow it came out "extremely nil". But if you ever run across
someone with actual type 2 oral, tell them to please make themselves
available for research. The main reason there haven't been more studys
done on type 2 oral is because it's almost impossible to find someone
to study! It just doesn't occur very often. Over the last few years,
I've run across three or four who claimed type 2 oral but when pinned
down, they all admited they hadn't been tested for it. I guess they
just assumed it for some reason or another.
>I haven't yet read a
>study or seen any evidence that quantified the risks of transmission
>in this type of situation.
Most of what is known comes from very few sources. Mainly just the
experience of a very few doctors who have seen the cases and passed
some info along to interested researchers. You might try asking Terry
Warren over on WebMD. She's as up to date on Herpes research as
anyone, and she can point you in the right direction. Also you can ask
on Picking up the Pieces at yahoogroups. There are some pretty
knowledgable folks over there too. I can quote some of what they say
about it but that won't give you the cites you're looking for. When I
get some time, I'll try to turn something up.
M2
Hi,
Thanks for coming to the group to ask questions.
M2 already gave you great advice.
I just wanted to add that I'm not sure what your gf is worried about. You
already know so the cat is out of the bag and you are still hanging around
with her....I would just make a list of your questions and ask her point
blank. This is YOUR health and body we're talking about, after all.
You need to know what type of herpes she has (1 or 2) and if it was
confirmed by a test or if the doctor just assumed it was 2 because it was
genital.
You also need to know if she is on meds for it and if she would consider
being on meds. You can offer to pay for half the cost of the meds.
You also need to know if you already have herpes. If you've ever had a cold
sore, then you do have herpes. :)
Take care,
ar
> I'm dating a woman who picked up herpes from her ex some years ago.
> I've tried to be supportive, but I'm having some difficulty and I have
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> g
> On the same line, she won't tell me when she's not having an outbreak,
> unless she's having them constantly (is that possible?). So our sex
> life is pretty nonexistent, and while I'm crazy about her that's
> really not an acceptable long-term solution.
I also have a GF with herpes. I think you will have to convince her to
talk with you openly about this. As someone else said, this is about
your health too. Show her that you need to talk about this for the
good of your relationship together. If you're patient, I'm sure in
time she will open up more to you.
> My understanding is that oral sex is out, regardless of outbreaks,
> both giving and receiving except with a condom or dental dam (either
> of which seems kind of yucky). Is that right?
This isn't quite right. Assuming she has type-2 genital herpes only
(and you do not have herpes), she can perform oral sex on your without
a condom. However if you wish to perform oral sex on her, you would be
at risk of contracting type-2 oral herpes. My girlfriend and I are
careful and I can assure you that you can still have a safe, happy,
and fulfilling sex life. But, I think that trust is very important and
if you GF has trouble opening up about this, then it will continue to
frustrate you and cause problems in the long term.
I wish you luck. I hope you're as happy as my girlfriend and I are.