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Topical use of honey - its content in hydrogen peroxide
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Perl Molson - 15 Jan 2004 23:28 GMT Honey applied topically on the sore will heal the sore very fast.
I can't think of a better choice then honey for that matter.
Manuka honey, wild flower honey etc.
Perl Molson
The Healing Power of Honey
As an infant hidden away in a cave, the Greek god Zeus was kept alive by bees that fed him honey. In return for their hospitality, Zeus gave bees high intelligence. But honey is not just mythological nourishment for the gods. Actual Egyptian medical texts dating from 2600 to 2200 BC mention honey in at least 900 remedies. Many early cultures hailed honey for its sweetness, nutritional value, and its topical healing properties for wounds, sores, and skin ulcers. During wartime, honey was used as an antiseptic for wounds by ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Greeks, Chinese, and modern Germans as late as World War I.
Today, people use honey for cough preparations, to induce sleep, cure diarrhea, and treat asthma. From a scientific standpoint, there have been numerous studies over the last 20 years verifying the power of honey to heal wounds and topical ulcers. An analysis of 40 cases showed that honey used on wounds had a positive effect, with an 88 percent healing rate. Other studies demonstrate the effectiveness of honey in treating Helicobacter pylori, bums, and senile cataracts among others. A recent study showed that commercial honey applied to surgical wounds in mice appeared to impede tumors that researchers attempted to subsequently implant in the mice for cancer research.
Three key ingredients in honey are responsible for its wound-healing capabilities. Honey has high sugar content. Sugar absorbs moisture in wounds, making it difficult for bacteria to survive.
Many kinds of honey are high in hydrogen peroxide, a common household disinfectant. Honey also contains propolis, a compound in nectar that can kill bacteria.
Honey is not just useful as a topical. Manuka honey, produced when bees feed on a type of flower in New Zealand, appears to kill the bacteria that causes stomach ulcers. Honey may also treat diarrhea. Doctors have traditionally used sugar to treat diarrhea as it replaces fluids and essential minerals. A honey solution may prove to be more efficacious because it may also be able to kill problem bacteria.
http://www.naturetech.com/healthyes.html
Facts Supporting the use of Honey in Wound Care The antimicrobial property of honey has been recognised for over 80 years, and has been studied by numerous microbiologists since then7. The high sugar content of honey is itself sufficient to inhibit the growth of bacteria and fungi, but this action is lost when the honey becomes diluted, as when lymph seeps out from a wound or ulcer into a honey dressing. But honey contains other antimicrobial components as well. In most honeys the major antimicrobial activity is due to hydrogen peroxide. This is produced by the action of an enzyme in honey. The enzyme is inactive until honey becomes diluted as honey contains an inhibitor of this enzyme. Thus levels of hydrogen peroxide never get high enough to cause any harm to the wound tissues. It is not possible to get too high a level of hydrogen peroxide produced from honey the rate of production is near flat over a very wide range of concentrations of honey solutions due to the strong inhibition in high concentrations of honey. Honey also effectively gives a "slow-release" delivery of hydrogen peroxide, as the enzyme keeps on producing hydrogen peroxide over at least 24 hours.
The glucose oxidase enzyme in honey that is responsible for the production of hydrogen peroxide, is very easily inactivated by exposure to heat. Even prolonged storage of honey in warm conditions will cause substantial inactivation. The enzyme is also inactivated by exposure of honey to light. There may additionally be some plant-derived antimicrobial action from components of the nectar sources of the honey, but this is usually minor. However, research in New Zealand and Australia has found that some Leptospermum species give honey a high level of antimicrobial activity due to an as yet unidentified plant-derived component8. This is potentially very useful, as an enzyme present in serum and tissues, catalase, breaks down hydrogen peroxide. Thus some (maybe a lot) of the hydrogen peroxide produced from honey on a wound may be rendered ineffective, making the other antimicrobial components of greater importance. Microbiological research on this antimicrobial component has shown that it is particularly effective against Staphylococcus aureus, the most common wound-infecting pathogen. A typical Leptospermum honey, with catalase added to remove all hydrogen peroxide, could be diluted more than fifty times and still completely halt the growth of Staphylococcus aureus9. A similar effectiveness was seen with a typical Leptospermum honey when tested against a collection of strains of multi-resistant S.aureus, and a 10 to 20-fold dilution gave complete inhibition of twenty strains of Pseudomonas isolated from infected wounds11.
Very large differences have been found to occur in the potency of the antimicrobial activity of honeys12. This has been found to be mostly due to differences in the amount of hydrogen peroxide that is produced. But in Leptospermum honeys, very large differences also occur in the plant-derived antimicrobial component8. Therefore, it is important that honey to be used as a wound dressing, has had its antimicrobial activity tested to ensure that it is at a high level.
http://www.medihoney.com.au/the_antimicrobial_activity_of_honey.htm
http://www.google.ca/search?q=honey+are+high+in+hydrogen+peroxide&num=100&hl=en& ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1
Angela - 16 Jan 2004 02:28 GMT To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to heal a visible and active herpes outbreak. Also, honey has not been proven to reduce shedding or transmission when it comes to treating herpes.
Angela www.yoshi2me.com
> Honey applied topically on the sore will heal the sore > very fast. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Perl Molson M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 03:16 GMT >To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's >messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to >heal a visible and active herpes outbreak. Also, honey has not been proven >to reduce shedding or transmission when it comes to treating herpes. For the best healing properties, the honey Perl cited, which comes from New Zealand and Australia, should be combined with phyllo dough, spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make a nice baklava. Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over.
Mike Soja
Grant - 16 Jan 2004 10:46 GMT Hi Mike,
Just thought I'd let you know that I, personally, don't like baklava and really resent your bad information and your bad advice that it will make you feel better all over.
Just kidding. Well, not about the part where I said I didn't like baklava. I really don't. Blech.
ar
> >To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's > >messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mike Soja M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 15:27 GMT >Hi Mike,
>Just thought I'd let you know that I, personally, don't like baklava and >really resent your bad information and your bad advice that it will make you >feel better all over.
>Just kidding. Well, not about the part where I said I didn't like baklava. >I really don't. Blech. AR! Not like Baklava??? Oh, my. There goes our big fat Greek wedding. ;-)
Actually, I like it, but it makes my teeth hurt. Too sweet. So I don't eat it. It was all I could think of on the spur of the moment that used a lotta honey. I'm more of a maple syrup kinda person.
Did you know that maple syrup from certain kinds of trees (maple trees, I think) has been used for hundreds of years to treat an affliction called morning hunger? Yep, put it on your pancakes.
And, if this cold wave keeps up, the syrup harvest might even add up to something this Spring.
take care,
Mike
>ar > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> Mike Soja Grant - 16 Jan 2004 23:54 GMT "M.L.S." <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message >
> Did you know that maple syrup from certain kinds of trees (maple > trees, I think) has been used for hundreds of years to treat an > affliction called morning hunger? Yep, put it on your pancakes. My god, Mike!!! What will they think of next!! I've heard that there are maple trees up here and I see things that the locals call "sugar house." But it is all a mystery to me.
ar
Tim Fitzmaurice - 16 Jan 2004 11:19 GMT > >To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's > >messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make a nice baklava. > Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over. Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around honey so its a personal thing >
Tim -- When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568
M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 15:33 GMT
>> >To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's >> >messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make a nice baklava. >> Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over.
>Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a >week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around >honey so its a personal thing > Wow, I don't know that I'd ever heard of that. What kind of antibodies? What are they attacking?
I was wondering, is most honey pasteurized these days? Maybe you get a less refined product in England and the continent? There must be all kinds of variable things in raw honey. Bee parts, comb parts, honey equipment processing parts.
Can you drink Mead?
Take care,
Mike
Tim Fitzmaurice - 16 Jan 2004 17:00 GMT > >Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a > >week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around > >honey so its a personal thing > > > Wow, I don't know that I'd ever heard of that. What kind of > antibodies? What are they attacking? Gut IgA is the type of antibody. It causes a assive but local response in the smooth muscle of the gut with predicatable results from the spasms...why it last s so long is a bit vague but having sat down with 3 postdocs and one prof in my last year of Bachelors study when I was doing immunology that was the conclusion they reached. The length could be due to certain cytotines that kick off and remain or longer term binding by the antibody. Skin contact doesnt affect me at all, nor theoretically would iv or wound contact since the reaction is strictly localised.
THe most likely allergens are pollen and the big sugars Im told. Since I dont have hayfever or grass/pollen allergies at all this leaves the sugars - which may also act as superantigens they say....
It takes a pretty predicatble 90mins to 2 hours to build up and it has an unmistakable feel to it which usually lets me get home if Im not distracted by anything.
All in all they called me weird.....
> Can you drink Mead? Now there is a story there.....a very messy night where seeral people didnt believe me on the issue and slipped me some - didnt believe me when I started going slightly out of it later (I had been on the organic scrumpy which they decided was what was affecting me) - but did beleive me the next morning as I was still being ill at 20 minute interval and remained that way for 48hrs and slowly recovered over the next 4 days....
THe answer is no - and I had swallowed a mouthfull of mead in the example above....its pretty sensitve now and gets worse each time it kicks off either longer recovery, more violent reaction or less needed to get it going.
Tim -- When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568
M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 17:55 GMT
>> >Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a >> >week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around >> >honey so its a personal thing >
>> Wow, I don't know that I'd ever heard of that. What kind of >> antibodies? What are they attacking?
>Gut IgA is the type of antibody. It causes a assive but local response in >the smooth muscle of the gut with predicatable results from the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >the antibody. Skin contact doesnt affect me at all, nor theoretically >would iv or wound contact since the reaction is strictly localised.
>THe most likely allergens are pollen and the big sugars Im told. Since I >dont have hayfever or grass/pollen allergies at all this leaves the >sugars - which may also act as superantigens they say....
>It takes a pretty predicatble 90mins to 2 hours to build up and it has an >unmistakable feel to it which usually lets me get home if Im not >distracted by anything.
>All in all they called me weird.....
>> Can you drink Mead?
>Now there is a story there.....a very messy night where seeral people >didnt believe me on the issue and slipped me some - didnt believe me when >I started going slightly out of it later (I had been on the organic >scrumpy which they decided was what was affecting me) - but did beleive me >the next morning as I was still being ill at 20 minute interval and >remained that way for 48hrs and slowly recovered over the next 4 days....
>THe answer is no - and I had swallowed a mouthfull of mead in the example >above....its pretty sensitve now and gets worse each time it kicks off >either longer recovery, more violent reaction or less needed to get it >going. Sounds really horrible. Do you have to be careful about breads and cereals where sometimes people use honey in place of some of the sugar?
You're not allergic to bee stings, are you?
Mike
Tim Fitzmaurice - 18 Jan 2004 13:39 GMT > Sounds really horrible. Moderately so - I doubt its particularly pleasant for those around me.
> Do you have to be careful about breads and > cereals where sometimes people use honey in place of some of the > sugar? Here in the UK honey is considered enough of a luxury that anything with it in is clearly labelled, if not promoted actively so cereals are easy. Honeyed bread is pretty rare here.
Most of Europe is usually the same - though get down to Greece and Turkey and Id have to be a bit more careful (nougat for instance from Greece is all to often honeyed). The US is pretty similar actually, though there are a few more things more routinely honeyed it is still labelled at least in the 5 areas Ive been to and Australia seemed the same. THe Far East its pretty rare to see much honey. North Africa on the other hand is a nightmare - its as or more common than sugar and used routinely as a sweetener and not usually labelled or promoted since its so standard (Egypt last August was the last time I ran into the stuff - despite finding out which desserts had honey I still got caught out - presumably somone used the tongs to grab a dessert with honey on it and then put it back in amongst the non honeyed ones).
Part of the problem is that Ive spent so much time avoiding the stuff that I can't actually tell when its present - don't know the taste...
> You're not allergic to bee stings, are you? Not at all - my dad is the same on the stuff and he has had enough bad experiences that the smell of the stuff is now enough to trigger an immediate psychosomatic response (I'll not get that far I don't think...so my guess is we share a failure in a pathway to shut down a relevant clone of white blood cell).
Tim -- When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568
M.L.S. - 19 Jan 2004 05:03 GMT <snip>
>Part of the problem is that Ive spent so much time avoiding the stuff >that I can't actually tell when its present - don't know the taste... Well, I guess I won't call you Honey any more. ;-)
Mike
Angela - 16 Jan 2004 21:08 GMT Ha - Ha - Ha!!!
I should pull out our family's baklava recipe and share it with you guys!!!
:) Did I ever tell you guys that I have Greek blood flowing through my veins?
*Hugs*
Angela www.yoshi2me.com
PS That would be Angeliki in Greek!
> For the best healing properties, the honey Perl cited, which comes > from New Zealand and Australia, should be combined with phyllo dough, > spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make a nice baklava. > Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over. > > Mike Soja Grant - 16 Jan 2004 23:57 GMT Well, I'm Greek, Angela. And my mother's Baklava is known throughout the lands. She has passed the secret on to my sister and every year in December they make freezers full of the stuff to give away as gifts. I'm not sure what the secret is...but I think it is simply that they don't use honey...
ar
> Ha - Ha - Ha!!! > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > > Mike Soja Angela - 17 Jan 2004 05:05 GMT You're Greek? :)
I had NO idea!! :)
What part of Greece is your Mom from?
:) Angela
> Well, I'm Greek, Angela. And my mother's Baklava is known throughout the > lands. She has passed the secret on to my sister and every year in December > they make freezers full of the stuff to give away as gifts. I'm not sure > what the secret is...but I think it is simply that they don't use honey... > > ar Grant - 17 Jan 2004 10:36 GMT Angela,
My mom was born in the Greek part of Boston. :) But my grandfather was from Spetsus (an island whose name I can not spell) and my grandmother was from a small mountain village.
ar
> You're Greek? :) > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > > ar Angela - 17 Jan 2004 21:09 GMT My mom was born and raised in Thessaloniki Greece which is the second largest city in Greece. I have an Aunt, Uncle, and two cousins in Thessaloniki. I also have an Aunt, Uncle, and three cousins in Kavala which is directly across from the island of Thasso. Kavala is beautiful as well. I can understand Greek people when they are speaking to each other and if you ask me something in Greek then usually I can answer you in English. I also have another Aunt but she lives in Louisiana. It was a family of two boys and two girls and the girls eventually got married and moved to the states . . .
I have a killer recipe for Spanakopita . . . which is one of my favorites!!!
*Hugs*
Angela
> Angela, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > > > > ar Grant - 18 Jan 2004 03:42 GMT I love spanakopita. But cooked spinach tends to make me sick. :( My mother and her brother speak Greek. But my sister and I never learned. :(
ar
> My mom was born and raised in Thessaloniki Greece which is the second > largest city in Greece. I have an Aunt, Uncle, and two cousins in [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > > > > > ar Patrick - 19 Jan 2004 00:21 GMT >I love spanakopita. But cooked spinach tends to make me sick. :( My >mother and her brother speak Greek. But my sister and I never learned. :( I love Greek spinach pastries. Does anyone have the recipe for that?
:) - pat
M.L.S. - 19 Jan 2004 05:11 GMT >>I love spanakopita. But cooked spinach tends to make me sick. :( My >>mother and her brother speak Greek. But my sister and I never learned. :(
>I love Greek spinach pastries. Does anyone have the recipe for that? >:) Yeah, I could go for that recipe, too. It'll be part of the Spinach Cure that is sure to become famous someday. ;-)
Mike
Grant - 19 Jan 2004 10:39 GMT Ah yes...the infamous Herpes Spinach Cure....
I would post my mom's recipe but she won't give it to me. We'll have to wait for Angela to post hers.
ar
> >>I love spanakopita. But cooked spinach tends to make me sick. :( My > >>mother and her brother speak Greek. But my sister and I never learned. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Mike M.L.S. - 19 Jan 2004 15:27 GMT >Ah yes...the infamous Herpes Spinach Cure.... Well, spinach *is* good for you. Or maybe I should be more careful. I was going to mention the Iron and all those Vitamins A and C, but I didn't do so well with Iodine or Honey. We *do* know that Popeye rarely had any outbreaks. ;-)
>I would post my mom's recipe but she won't give it to me. We'll have to >wait for Angela to post hers. That's just not right. I think you should ask her again, and tell her it's in the interest of Science!
Take care,
Mike
Grant - 19 Jan 2004 16:38 GMT "M.L.S." <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> That's just not right. I think you should ask her again, and tell her > it's in the interest of Science! I'll get right on that.
ar
Tim Fitzmaurice - 19 Jan 2004 16:39 GMT > >Ah yes...the infamous Herpes Spinach Cure.... > > Well, spinach *is* good for you. Or maybe I should be more careful. > I was going to mention the Iron and all those Vitamins A and C, but I > didn't do so well with Iodine or Honey. We *do* know that Popeye > rarely had any outbreaks. ;-) Erm isnt most ofthe iron bound up as oxalates and so no use to the body ni spinach???? Dimly remembering a factoid here - though for some reason rhubarb is floating around close to this as well - not sure ifthats because it has bound iron or is also high in oxalate...would need to check this one
Tim -- When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568
Angela - 19 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT Pat,
I have a recipe but I don't have it typed out . . . sorry. I might have some time later on when Fiona is taking a nap but I can't make any promises.
Angela www.yoshi2me.com
Devericson - 20 Jan 2004 14:06 GMT Baklava, Spanoptika cure for herpes? Would you be putting this on with a hot wooden spoon for 100 days? It would need a lot of honey, I think I will stick with Acyclivor. Dev.
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