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Topical use of honey -  its content in hydrogen peroxide

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Perl Molson - 15 Jan 2004 23:28 GMT
Honey applied topically on the sore will heal the sore
very fast.

I can't think of a better choice then honey for that matter.

Manuka honey, wild flower honey etc.

Perl Molson

The Healing Power of Honey
   

   As an infant hidden away in a cave, the Greek god Zeus was kept
alive by bees that fed him honey. In return for their hospitality,
Zeus gave bees high intelligence. But honey is not just mythological
nourishment for the gods. Actual Egyptian medical texts dating from
2600 to 2200 BC mention honey in at least 900 remedies. Many early
cultures hailed honey for its sweetness, nutritional value, and its
topical healing properties for wounds, sores, and skin ulcers. During
wartime, honey was used as an antiseptic for wounds by ancient
Egyptians, Assyrians, Greeks, Chinese, and modern Germans as late as
World War I.

   

   Today, people use honey for cough preparations, to induce sleep,
cure diarrhea, and treat asthma. From a scientific standpoint, there
have been numerous studies over the last 20 years verifying the power
of honey to heal wounds and topical ulcers. An analysis of 40 cases
showed that honey used on wounds had a positive effect, with an 88
percent healing rate. Other studies demonstrate the effectiveness of
honey in treating Helicobacter pylori, bums, and senile cataracts
among others. A recent study showed that commercial honey applied to
surgical wounds in mice appeared to impede tumors that researchers
attempted to subsequently implant in the mice for cancer research.



   Three key ingredients in honey are responsible for its
wound-healing capabilities. Honey has high sugar content. Sugar
absorbs moisture in wounds, making it difficult for bacteria to
survive.

Many kinds of honey are high in hydrogen peroxide, a common household
disinfectant. Honey also contains propolis, a compound in nectar that
can kill bacteria.

   

   Honey is not just useful as a topical. Manuka honey, produced when
bees feed on a type of flower in New Zealand, appears to kill the
bacteria that causes stomach ulcers. Honey may also treat diarrhea.
Doctors have traditionally used sugar to treat diarrhea as it replaces
fluids and essential minerals. A honey solution may prove to be more
efficacious because it may also be able to kill problem bacteria.

http://www.naturetech.com/healthyes.html

Facts Supporting the use of Honey in Wound Care
The antimicrobial property of honey has been recognised for over 80
years, and has been studied by numerous microbiologists since then7.
The high sugar content of honey is itself sufficient to inhibit the
growth of bacteria and fungi, but this action is lost when the honey
becomes diluted, as when lymph seeps out from a wound or ulcer into a
honey dressing. But honey contains other antimicrobial components as
well. In most honeys the major antimicrobial activity is due to
hydrogen peroxide. This is produced by the action of an enzyme in
honey. The enzyme is inactive until honey becomes diluted as honey
contains an inhibitor of this enzyme. Thus levels of hydrogen peroxide
never get high enough to cause any harm to the wound tissues. It is
not possible to get too high a level of hydrogen peroxide produced
from honey – the rate of production is near flat over a very wide
range of concentrations of honey solutions due to the strong
inhibition in high concentrations of honey. Honey also effectively
gives a "slow-release" delivery of hydrogen peroxide, as the enzyme
keeps on producing hydrogen peroxide over at least 24 hours.

The glucose oxidase enzyme in honey that is responsible for the
production of hydrogen peroxide, is very easily inactivated by
exposure to heat. Even prolonged storage of honey in warm conditions
will cause substantial inactivation. The enzyme is also inactivated by
exposure of honey to light. There may additionally be some
plant-derived antimicrobial action from components of the nectar
sources of the honey, but this is usually minor. However, research in
New Zealand and Australia has found that some Leptospermum species
give honey a high level of antimicrobial activity due to an as yet
unidentified plant-derived component8. This is potentially very
useful, as an enzyme present in serum and tissues, catalase, breaks
down hydrogen peroxide. Thus some (maybe a lot) of the hydrogen
peroxide produced from honey on a wound may be rendered ineffective,
making the other antimicrobial components of greater importance.
Microbiological research on this antimicrobial component has shown
that it is particularly effective against Staphylococcus aureus, the
most common wound-infecting pathogen. A typical Leptospermum honey,
with catalase added to remove all hydrogen peroxide, could be diluted
more than fifty times and still completely halt the growth of
Staphylococcus aureus9. A similar effectiveness was seen with a
typical Leptospermum honey when tested against a collection of strains
of multi-resistant S.aureus, and a 10 to 20-fold dilution gave
complete inhibition of twenty strains of Pseudomonas isolated from
infected wounds11.

Very large differences have been found to occur in the potency of the
antimicrobial activity of honeys12. This has been found to be mostly
due to differences in the amount of hydrogen peroxide that is
produced. But in Leptospermum honeys, very large differences also
occur in the plant-derived antimicrobial component8. Therefore, it is
important that honey to be used as a wound dressing, has had its
antimicrobial activity tested to ensure that it is at a high level.

http://www.medihoney.com.au/the_antimicrobial_activity_of_honey.htm

http://www.google.ca/search?q=honey+are+high+in+hydrogen+peroxide&num=100&hl=en&
ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&newwindow=1

Angela - 16 Jan 2004 02:28 GMT
To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's
messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to
heal a visible and active herpes outbreak. Also, honey has not been proven
to reduce shedding or transmission when it comes to treating herpes.

Angela
www.yoshi2me.com

> Honey applied topically on the sore will heal the sore
> very fast.
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>
> Perl Molson
M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 03:16 GMT
>To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's
>messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to
>heal a visible and active herpes outbreak. Also, honey has not been proven
>to reduce shedding or transmission when it comes to treating herpes.

For the best healing properties, the honey Perl cited, which comes
from New Zealand and Australia, should be combined with phyllo dough,
spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make  a nice baklava.
Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over.

Mike Soja
Grant - 16 Jan 2004 10:46 GMT
Hi Mike,

Just thought I'd let you know that I, personally, don't like baklava and
really resent your bad information and your bad advice that it will make you
feel better all over.

Just kidding.  Well, not about the part where I said I didn't like baklava.
I really don't.  Blech.

ar

> >To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's
> >messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to
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>
> Mike Soja
M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 15:27 GMT
>Hi Mike,

>Just thought I'd let you know that I, personally, don't like baklava and
>really resent your bad information and your bad advice that it will make you
>feel better all over.

>Just kidding.  Well, not about the part where I said I didn't like baklava.
>I really don't.  Blech.

AR!  Not like Baklava???  Oh, my.  There goes our big fat Greek
wedding.  ;-)

Actually, I like it, but it makes my teeth hurt.  Too sweet.  So I
don't eat it.  It was all I could think of on the spur of the moment
that used a lotta honey.  I'm more of a maple syrup kinda person.

Did you know that maple syrup from certain kinds of trees (maple
trees, I think) has been used for hundreds of years to treat an
affliction called morning hunger?  Yep, put it on your pancakes.

And, if this cold wave keeps up, the syrup harvest might even add up
to something this Spring.

take care,

Mike

>ar
>
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>>
>> Mike Soja
Grant - 16 Jan 2004 23:54 GMT
"M.L.S." <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message >
> Did you know that maple syrup from certain kinds of trees (maple
> trees, I think) has been used for hundreds of years to treat an
> affliction called morning hunger?  Yep, put it on your pancakes.

My god, Mike!!!  What will they think of next!!  I've heard that there are
maple trees up here and I see things that the locals call "sugar house."
But it is all a mystery to me.

ar
Tim Fitzmaurice - 16 Jan 2004 11:19 GMT
> >To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's
> >messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to
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> spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make  a nice baklava.
> Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over.

Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a
week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around
honey so its a personal thing >

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 15:33 GMT

>> >To those of you that are newly diagnosed with herpes and reading Perl's
>> >messages for the first time ... remember that honey has not been proven to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make  a nice baklava.
>> Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over.

>Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a
>week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around
>honey so its a personal thing >

Wow, I don't know that I'd ever heard of that.  What kind of
antibodies?  What are they attacking?  

I was wondering, is most honey pasteurized these days?  Maybe you get
a less refined product in England and the continent?  There must be
all kinds of variable things in raw honey.  Bee parts, comb parts,
honey equipment processing parts.

Can you drink Mead?

Take care,

Mike
Tim Fitzmaurice - 16 Jan 2004 17:00 GMT
> >Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a
> >week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around
> >honey so its a personal thing >
>
> Wow, I don't know that I'd ever heard of that.  What kind of
> antibodies?  What are they attacking?  

Gut IgA is the type of antibody. It causes a assive but local response in
the smooth muscle of the gut with predicatable results from the
spasms...why it last s so long is a bit vague but having sat down with 3
postdocs and one prof in my last year of Bachelors study when I was doing
immunology that was the conclusion they reached. The length could be due
to certain cytotines that kick off and remain or longer term binding by
the antibody. Skin contact doesnt affect me at all, nor theoretically
would iv or wound contact since the reaction is strictly localised.

THe most likely allergens are pollen and the big sugars Im told. Since I
dont have hayfever or grass/pollen allergies at all this leaves the
sugars - which may also act as superantigens they say....

It takes a pretty predicatble 90mins to 2 hours to build up and it has an
unmistakable feel to it which usually lets me get home if Im not
distracted by anything.

All in all they called me weird.....

> Can you drink Mead?

Now there is a story there.....a very messy night where seeral people
didnt believe me on the issue and slipped me some - didnt believe me when
I started going slightly out of it later (I had been on the organic
scrumpy which they decided was what was affecting me) - but did beleive me
the next morning as I was still being ill at 20 minute interval and
remained that way for 48hrs and slowly recovered over the next 4 days....

THe answer is no - and I had swallowed a mouthfull of mead in the example
above....its pretty sensitve now and gets worse each time it kicks off
either longer recovery, more violent reaction or less needed to get it
going.

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
ICQ: 5178568
M.L.S. - 16 Jan 2004 17:55 GMT

>> >Not me - Id be face down worshipping the porcelain alter for about a
>> >week..some pleasant antibodies on my gut lining tend to kick off around
>> >honey so its a personal thing >

>> Wow, I don't know that I'd ever heard of that.  What kind of
>> antibodies?  What are they attacking?  

>Gut IgA is the type of antibody. It causes a assive but local response in
>the smooth muscle of the gut with predicatable results from the
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>the antibody. Skin contact doesnt affect me at all, nor theoretically
>would iv or wound contact since the reaction is strictly localised.

>THe most likely allergens are pollen and the big sugars Im told. Since I
>dont have hayfever or grass/pollen allergies at all this leaves the
>sugars - which may also act as superantigens they say....

>It takes a pretty predicatble 90mins to 2 hours to build up and it has an
>unmistakable feel to it which usually lets me get home if Im not
>distracted by anything.

>All in all they called me weird.....

>> Can you drink Mead?

>Now there is a story there.....a very messy night where seeral people
>didnt believe me on the issue and slipped me some - didnt believe me when
>I started going slightly out of it later (I had been on the organic
>scrumpy which they decided was what was affecting me) - but did beleive me
>the next morning as I was still being ill at 20 minute interval and
>remained that way for 48hrs and slowly recovered over the next 4 days....

>THe answer is no - and I had swallowed a mouthfull of mead in the example
>above....its pretty sensitve now and gets worse each time it kicks off
>either longer recovery, more violent reaction or less needed to get it
>going.

Sounds really horrible.  Do you have to be careful about breads and
cereals where sometimes people use honey in place of some of the
sugar?  

You're not allergic to bee stings, are you?

Mike
Tim Fitzmaurice - 18 Jan 2004 13:39 GMT
> Sounds really horrible.

Moderately so - I doubt its particularly pleasant for those around me.

> Do you have to be careful about breads and
> cereals where sometimes people use honey in place of some of the
> sugar?  

Here in the UK honey is considered enough of a luxury that anything with
it in is clearly labelled, if not promoted actively so cereals are easy.
Honeyed bread is pretty rare here.

Most of Europe is usually the same - though get down to Greece and Turkey
and Id have to be a bit more careful (nougat for instance from Greece is
all to often honeyed). The US is pretty similar actually, though there are
a few more things more routinely honeyed it is still labelled at least in
the 5 areas Ive been to and Australia seemed the same. THe Far East its
pretty rare to see much honey. North Africa on the other hand is a
nightmare - its as or more common than sugar and used routinely as a
sweetener and not usually labelled or promoted since its so standard
(Egypt last August was the last time I ran into the stuff - despite
finding out which desserts had honey I still got caught out - presumably
somone used the tongs to grab a dessert with honey on it and then put it
back in amongst the non honeyed ones).

Part of the problem is that Ive spent so much time avoiding the stuff
that I can't actually tell when its present - don't know the taste...

> You're not allergic to bee stings, are you?

Not at all - my dad is the same on the stuff and he has had enough bad
experiences that the smell of the stuff is now enough to trigger an
immediate psychosomatic response (I'll not get that far I don't think...so
my guess is we share a failure in a pathway to shut down a relevant clone
of white blood cell).

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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M.L.S. - 19 Jan 2004 05:03 GMT
<snip>

>Part of the problem is that Ive spent so much time avoiding the stuff
>that I can't actually tell when its present - don't know the taste...

Well, I guess I won't call you Honey any more.   ;-)

Mike
Angela - 16 Jan 2004 21:08 GMT
Ha - Ha - Ha!!!

I should pull out our family's baklava recipe and share it with you guys!!!
:)

Did I ever tell you guys that I have Greek blood flowing through my veins?

*Hugs*

Angela
www.yoshi2me.com

PS That would be Angeliki in Greek!

> For the best healing properties, the honey Perl cited, which comes
> from New Zealand and Australia, should be combined with phyllo dough,
> spices, a few nuts, and some lemon juice, to make  a nice baklava.
> Eat one piece every day and you'll feel better all over.
>
> Mike Soja
Grant - 16 Jan 2004 23:57 GMT
Well, I'm Greek, Angela.  And my mother's Baklava is known throughout the
lands.  She has passed the secret on to my sister and every year in December
they make freezers full of the stuff to give away as gifts.  I'm not sure
what the secret is...but I think it is simply that they don't use honey...

ar

> Ha - Ha - Ha!!!
>
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> >
> > Mike Soja
Angela - 17 Jan 2004 05:05 GMT
You're Greek? :)

I had NO idea!! :)

What part of Greece is your Mom from?

:)

Angela

> Well, I'm Greek, Angela.  And my mother's Baklava is known throughout the
> lands.  She has passed the secret on to my sister and every year in December
> they make freezers full of the stuff to give away as gifts.  I'm not sure
> what the secret is...but I think it is simply that they don't use honey...
>
> ar
Grant - 17 Jan 2004 10:36 GMT
Angela,

My mom was born in the Greek part of Boston.  :)  But my grandfather was
from Spetsus (an island whose name I can not spell) and my grandmother was
from a small mountain village.

ar

> You're Greek? :)
>
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> >
> > ar
Angela - 17 Jan 2004 21:09 GMT
My mom was born and raised in Thessaloniki Greece which is the second
largest city in Greece. I have an Aunt, Uncle, and two cousins in
Thessaloniki. I also have an Aunt, Uncle, and three cousins in Kavala which
is directly across from the island of Thasso. Kavala is beautiful as well. I
can understand Greek people when they are speaking to each other and if you
ask me something in Greek then usually I can answer you in English. I also
have another Aunt but she lives in Louisiana. It was a family of two boys
and two girls and the girls eventually got married and moved to the states .
. .

I have a killer recipe for Spanakopita . . . which  is one of my
favorites!!!

*Hugs*

Angela

> Angela,
>
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> > >
> > > ar
Grant - 18 Jan 2004 03:42 GMT
I love spanakopita.  But cooked spinach tends to make me sick.  :(  My
mother and her brother speak Greek.  But my sister and I never learned.  :(

ar

> My mom was born and raised in Thessaloniki Greece which is the second
> largest city in Greece. I have an Aunt, Uncle, and two cousins in
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> > > >
> > > > ar
Patrick - 19 Jan 2004 00:21 GMT
>I love spanakopita.  But cooked spinach tends to make me sick.  :(  My
>mother and her brother speak Greek.  But my sister and I never learned.  :(

I love Greek spinach pastries. Does anyone have the recipe for that?
:)

- pat
M.L.S. - 19 Jan 2004 05:11 GMT
>>I love spanakopita.  But cooked spinach tends to make me sick.  :(  My
>>mother and her brother speak Greek.  But my sister and I never learned.  :(

>I love Greek spinach pastries. Does anyone have the recipe for that?
>:)

Yeah, I could go for that recipe, too.  It'll be part of the Spinach
Cure that is sure to become famous someday.  ;-)

Mike
Grant - 19 Jan 2004 10:39 GMT
Ah yes...the infamous Herpes Spinach Cure....

I would post my mom's recipe but she won't give it to me.  We'll have to
wait for Angela to post hers.

ar

> >>I love spanakopita.  But cooked spinach tends to make me sick.  :(  My
> >>mother and her brother speak Greek.  But my sister and I never learned.
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>
> Mike
M.L.S. - 19 Jan 2004 15:27 GMT
>Ah yes...the infamous Herpes Spinach Cure....

Well, spinach *is* good for you.  Or maybe I should be more careful.
I was going to mention the Iron and all those Vitamins A and C, but I
didn't do so well with Iodine or Honey.  We *do* know that Popeye
rarely had any outbreaks.  ;-)

>I would post my mom's recipe but she won't give it to me.  We'll have to
>wait for Angela to post hers.

That's just not right.  I think you should ask her again, and tell her
it's in the interest of Science!

Take care,

Mike
Grant - 19 Jan 2004 16:38 GMT
"M.L.S." <msoja9@newsguy.com> wrote in message
> That's just not right.  I think you should ask her again, and tell her
> it's in the interest of Science!

I'll get right on that.

ar
Tim Fitzmaurice - 19 Jan 2004 16:39 GMT
> >Ah yes...the infamous Herpes Spinach Cure....
>
> Well, spinach *is* good for you.  Or maybe I should be more careful.
> I was going to mention the Iron and all those Vitamins A and C, but I
> didn't do so well with Iodine or Honey.  We *do* know that Popeye
> rarely had any outbreaks.  ;-)

Erm isnt most ofthe iron bound up as oxalates and so no use to the body ni
spinach???? Dimly remembering a factoid here - though for some reason
rhubarb is floating around close to this as well - not sure ifthats
because it has bound iron or is also high in oxalate...would need to check
this one

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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Angela - 19 Jan 2004 17:31 GMT
Pat,

I have a recipe but I don't have it typed out . . . sorry.
I might have some time later on when Fiona is taking a nap but I can't make
any promises.

Angela
www.yoshi2me.com
Devericson - 20 Jan 2004 14:06 GMT
Baklava, Spanoptika cure for herpes?
Would you be putting this on with a hot wooden spoon for 100 days?
It would need a lot of honey, I think I will stick with Acyclivor.
Dev.
 
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