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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / February 2004Triggering an outbreak
If I already have genital HSV1 and my girlfriend already has oral HSV1, will she trigger an outbreak for me if she gives me oral while she has an outbreak? If you have genital type 1, you can not get genital type 1 again. Any form of "rough" sex can be a trigger for some people. But that has nothing to do with whether or not your partner is having an active outbreak. ar > If I already have genital HSV1 and my girlfriend already has oral > HSV1, will she trigger an outbreak for me if she gives me oral while > she has an outbreak? No. You don't keep passing herpes if that is what you mean. Angela www.yoshi2me.com > If I already have genital HSV1 and my girlfriend already has oral > HSV1, will she trigger an outbreak for me if she gives me oral while > she has an outbreak? I thought you could spread it to new areas... even on yourself... so why not be able to spread it from person to person? For example... if both you and your partner happened to only have HSV1 on the mouth, theoretically either of you should be able to give it to each other on the genitals, no? > No. You don't keep passing herpes if that is what you mean. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > HSV1, will she trigger an outbreak for me if she gives me oral while > > she has an outbreak? >I thought you could spread it to new areas... even on yourself... so >why not be able to spread it from person to person? That's true, but the original question was whether sexual activity would trigger a recurrence of the disease that had already been acquired. For some people sex, or rough sex, can be a trigger, but new outbreaks don't equal a whole new infection, just a new outbreak. >For example... if both you and your partner happened to only have HSV1 >on the mouth, theoretically either of you should be able to give it to >each other on the genitals, no? Yep, though it is thought that such transfers become less and less likely the longer one has had the oral HSV. Take care, Mike >> No. You don't keep passing herpes if that is what you mean. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > HSV1, will she trigger an outbreak for me if she gives me oral while >> > she has an outbreak? On 2/18/04, 3:00pm, derek wrote: >I thought you could spread it to new areas... even on yourself... That's possible if you're newly infected, before your body has had time to develop antibodies which can take 3-4 months. But once your body is geared up to fight the virus, the chance of spreading it around to other areas is very slim. >so >why not be able to spread it from person to person? Same thing. Once the other person's immune defense is geared up, they're not likely to become infected in a different location by either themselves or by another person. >For example... if both you and your partner happened to only have HSV1 >on the mouth, theoretically either of you should be able to give it to >each other on the genitals, no? No. Not unless one or both of you has a very recent infection. In which case your body(ies) wouldn't have had time to build up the necessary antibodies to fight the virus. All this assumes you both have a normal immune system. M2 > On 2/18/04, 3:00pm, derek wrote: > >For example... if both you and your partner happened to only have HSV1 > >on the mouth, theoretically either of you should be able to give it to > >each other on the genitals, no? > No. Not unless one or both of you has a very recent infection. In > which case your body(ies) wouldn't have had time to build up the > necessary antibodies to fight the virus. What if one of you has had HSV1 for say a few years (as apparently 50-80+% of the population does), and a new partner does not. Could the new partner become infected genitally from oral sex with the HSV1 partner, and then transfer a genital infection to the original oral HSV1 partner? Is this possible? > All this assumes you both have a normal immune system. Immune systems go through various cycles of resistance, and can get compromised due to lack of sleep, strong weather changes, and during times it is fighting off other ailments (i.e. a common cold). Could such a thing not be possible while the immune system was weakened? >What if one of you has had HSV1 for say a few years (as apparently >50-80+% of the population does), and a new partner does not. Could >the new partner become infected genitally from oral sex with the HSV1 >partner, and then transfer a genital infection to the original oral >HSV1 partner? Is this possible? Yes, it's possible, but the longer the first person has had the oral HSV the less likely it is he'll transfer it to his genitals, whether it's done via a partner or his own fingers. Having a working supply of antibodies cruising the blood stream is a good defense against new infections. The new partner without any previous infection, however, is most at risk for picking up HSV both orally and genitally. The new partner has no antibodies with which to fight the new infection. >> All this assumes you both have a normal immune system. >Immune systems go through various cycles of resistance, and can get >compromised due to lack of sleep, strong weather changes, and during >times it is fighting off other ailments (i.e. a common cold). >Could such a thing not be possible while the immune system was >weakened? It's possible even with a strong immune system, just less and less so the longer one has had the disease. A weakened immune system, or something as simple as a tear or cut in the genital region can up the risks. Take care, Mike On 2/19/04, 9:12am, derek wrote: >What if one of you has had HSV1 for say a few years (as apparently >50-80+% of the population does), and a new partner does not. Could >the new partner become infected genitally from oral sex with the HSV1 Just to be clear, I'm assuming you mean the type 1 partner is infected orally, and is also the one giving the oral sex. In that case, yes, it's possible. About 33% of newly diagnosed genital herp cases are type 1 and most of them are the result of exactly that. That doesn't mean transfer is likely though. Otherwise I would think there would be a *lot* more genital type 1 cases in the world, considering all the type1 oral herpsters giving oral sex around here. It just means it's possible and it happens at times. The individual risk would be determined by quite a few individual factors. >,and then transfer a genital infection to the original oral >HSV1 partner? Is this possible? Not likely. And no more likely than the original partner transfering it to him/herself genitally via autoinnoculation. And if he/she's been infected for a few years, that's not very likely. One other thing, with herpes as with life in general, *anything* is possible. But don't confuse that to mean anything is likely. Transmission is a matter of risk just like the rest of life. When you get in your car to go to work, it's possible you'll be killed along the way. Doesn't mean it's likely. Whether the risk is low or lower depends on quite a few different risk factors. They all come into play, some pushing risk higher, some pushing it lower. You have to take them all into account. Having said that, my response to your original hyothetical situation should have been "not likely" instead of just plain "No". When I said "no", I didn't mean to imply that it's impossible. >Immune systems go through various cycles of resistance, and can get >compromised due to lack of sleep, strong weather changes, and during >times it is fighting off other ailments (i.e. a common cold). >Could such a thing not be possible while the immune system was >weakened? The weaker the immune system, the more it would affect infection risk. Wouldn't necessarily be enough to push it into the "likely" range though, that would depend on numerous other factors. It would, however, tend to push it higher than it would otherwise be. M2 > What if one of you has had HSV1 for say a few years (as apparently > 50-80+% of the population does), and a new partner does not. Could > the new partner become infected genitally from oral sex with the HSV1 > partner, and then transfer a genital infection to the original oral > HSV1 partner? Is this possible? If one partner has herpes and the other partner does not have herpes (assuming both have had type specific herpes testing and know this fact for sure) then it's possible that the partner that doesn't have herpes will get herpes in the future. You can read more about site and type preferences here: http://www.yoshi2me.com/page6.html. > Immune systems go through various cycles of resistance, and can get > compromised due to lack of sleep, strong weather changes, and during > times it is fighting off other ailments (i.e. a common cold). > > Could such a thing not be possible while the immune system was > weakened? Anything is "possible." Angela www.yoshi2me.com > On 2/18/04, 3:00pm, derek wrote: > >I thought you could spread it to new areas... even on yourself... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > body is geared up to fight the virus, the chance of spreading it > around to other areas is very slim. I wanted to add here that it is possible for people to develop antibodies within the first two weeks of contracting herpes simplex. > I thought you could spread it to new areas... even on yourself... so > why not be able to spread it from person to person? Actually, the chance of you spreading herpes simplex to another part of your body after antibodies have developed are rare. > For example... if both you and your partner happened to only have HSV1 > on the mouth, theoretically either of you should be able to give it to > each other on the genitals, no? It's possible but not common. Angela www.yoshi2me.com Again... the title of your post was about "triggers" which doesn't really have anything to do with passing herpes to another person. Angela www.yoshi2me.com |
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