...Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no
outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread
it?
My ex is in denial on the subject.
M.L.S. - 04 Feb 2004 01:21 GMT
>...Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no
>outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread
>it?
>My ex is in denial on the subject.
Nope. Most transferring is probably done when no symptoms are present. It's
that thing called asymptomatic shedding, times when the virus is active and
presenting itself on the skin surface, but there is no visible outbreak.
Asymptomatic shedding is estimated to occur anywhere from one to five per cent
of the days in a year.
Most people with herpes are unaware they have it, primarily because they show no
symptoms, or have such mild symptoms that they're mistaken for something else or
ignored altogether, but everyone with herpes is capable of spreading the
disease, whether they ever have an outbreak or not.
Hope that helps and take care,
Mike
Grant - 04 Feb 2004 01:24 GMT
You can spread herpes through asymptomatic shedding. That means that the virus becomes active and comes to the surface of the skin but it isn't enough virus to create an active outbreak. But the person is still contagious.
When people think that you can't spread herpes unless there is an active outbreak, I just have to ask...how do they think most of us got it? Do they think we would knowingly have sex with someone who is actively having an outbreak???
ar
...Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no
outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread
it?
My ex is in denial on the subject.
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Kristen - 04 Feb 2004 02:08 GMT
thanks..
....my ex said he 'talked' to his doc and he said he couldn't of spread
herpes... has no outbreak, therefore, no herpes...
He lied and is in denial.
He told me no more phone calls, so I gues its up to him...I hope he is
MORE honest to his girlfriend than he was with me, then again, he thinks
you have to have an outbreak to have herpes. I know the facts and feel
better knowing what you said. You reassured my knowledge.
Just sucks having this somedays....:(
Grant - 04 Feb 2004 02:16 GMT
Yeah, we know how it sucks sometimes. :)
By the way, LOTS of doctors tell patients that they can't pass herpes unless they are having an outbreaks. Doctors are part of our problem. They spread a lot of misinformation.
ar
thanks..
....my ex said he 'talked' to his doc and he said he couldn't of spread
herpes... has no outbreak, therefore, no herpes...
He lied and is in denial.
He told me no more phone calls, so I gues its up to him...I hope he is
MORE honest to his girlfriend than he was with me, then again, he thinks
you have to have an outbreak to have herpes. I know the facts and feel
better knowing what you said. You reassured my knowledge.
Just sucks having this somedays....:(
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Paul - 04 Feb 2004 08:03 GMT
>Yeah, we know how it sucks sometimes. :)
>
>By the way, LOTS of doctors tell patients that they can't pass herpes unless they are having an outbreaks. Doctors are part of our problem. They spread a lot of misinformation.
Here in the UK we have special GU medicine clinics for STD problems
etc.
Two doctors I saw there said there was little chance of spreading
HSV-1 (genital) to someone without an outbreak (or 2 weeks after and
outbreak).
And they're supposed to be specialists?! So who's right?
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 04 Feb 2004 11:54 GMT
>Two doctors I saw there said there was little chance of spreading
>HSV-1 (genital) to someone without an outbreak (or 2 weeks after and
>outbreak).
>And they're supposed to be specialists?! So who's right?
Your 2 docs statement sounds accurate to me but it depends on your
definition of "little" I suppose. If they'd said "no chance", then
your two docs would be wrong. Genital HSV1 spreads at a lower rate
than HSV2. And even the HSV2 risk is down in the
1%-10% range depending on a few dozen individual factors.
Soooo ... is that a lot? or a little? <shrug> I dunno.
Just knowing it's possible at *all* is enough to freak some people
out. Anyhow, sounds more like a communication/interpretation prob to
me rather than a right/wrong thing.
M2
Tim Fitzmaurice - 04 Feb 2004 13:34 GMT
> >Yeah, we know how it sucks sometimes. :)
> >
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>
> And they're supposed to be specialists?! So who's right?
Little chance does NOT equate to no chance and they are dealing with a
subset as well so the two statements are apples and oranges to an
extent and don't actually contradict here.. Little chance is actually a
reasonable description though on its own loses a LOT of context, as the
individual risk numbers are small, particularly if you are talking to a
man and doesn't go into poopulation and time related issues. Many people
WILL equate the two and frankly its small mental leaps like this are one
of the hardest issues to deal with translating scientific information
where small differences in terms make a huge difference to layterms where
similar terms are effectively viewed as the same.
Whenever I hear statements like this I always ask 'Were those the EXACT
words' and 'What else was said'. Adding those bits in can make a huge
difference but often people will pick up just certain tidbits. However the
doc does need to try and be sure the entire picture goes over.
Tim
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Tim Fitzmaurice - 04 Feb 2004 10:32 GMT
> ...Not sure if this has been asnswered, but if someone has no
> outbreaks, but has herpes, do they have to have an outbreak to spread
> it?
Nope they do not. Asymptomatic spreading is well established, well known
and probably one of the major sources of spreading of HSV of either type.
Go to www.pubmed.com
Use Asymptomatic shedding HSV as the keywords and see the slew of
data come out.
Tim
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Angela - 07 Feb 2004 22:48 GMT
Kristen,
You can pass herpes even if there are no signs or symptoms.
Angela
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