Perspiration and asymptomatic shedding

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Perl Molson - 21 Dec 2003 01:52 GMT

Ok, Mike,

here is why on the common herpes' activity areas, which
are genitals and lips, it is so hard to get rid of the viruses; one
cause can be,
because there are no existing sweat glands in and around those areas.

Sweat glands may contain antivirals such as tannins and others( I will
try to find out other types, shortly)

Please read the following (in bold is the relevant part):

http://health.howstuffworks.com/sweat1.htm

The Sweat Gland

The average person has 2.6 million sweat glands in their skin! Sweat
glands are distributed over the entire body -- EXCEPT FOR THE LIPS,
nipples and EXTERNAL GENITAL ORGANS. The sweat gland is in the layer
of skin called the dermis along with other "equipment," such as nerve
endings, hair follicles and so on. Figure 1 illustrates what's going
on:

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/skin1.gif

Mike, here is at the above, a picture representing the sweat glands in
the skin.

Can you identify where exactly the herpes virus will shed
asymptomatically?

Thanks,
Perl Molson

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.L.S." <msoja9@newsguy.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.herpes
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Perspiration and asymptomatic shedding

> On 20 Dec 2003 13:31:48 -0800, beatadje@email.com (Perl Molson)
> posted:
>
> >It is so obvious that, through transpiration (perspiration),
> >are being released antivirals, through the skin layers.
>
> Sorry, Perly, but it isn't "obvious" at all. I mean, maybe you know
> something I don't (LOL), but not every substance we put in our mouths
> comes floating out our pores. Life would be pretty messy if that were
> true.
>
> >What would be the real impact on killing the shedding viruses
> >through such a process?
>
> None. Acyclovir works by interfering with the *replication process*
> of the virus *in* the epithelial cells, not by attacking stray viruses
> that happen to be standing around.
>
> After acyclovir is ingested it is processed into various subcomponent
> materials which only work within herpes infected cells. As the herpes
> virus goes to replicate, it grabs one of the acyclovir subcomponent
> enzymes and sticks it into place in the new DNA chain, but that
> antiviral enzyme ends up acting as a terminator in the chain,
> effectively stopping the DNA copying process, and replication is
> aborted, leaving a broken virus.
>
> Viruses that make it to the skin surface have already been replicated,
> and can't replicate *on* the surface, so any acyclovir (or related
> enzymes) there would have no effect.
>
> Antiviral creams work to the extent that they can penetrate the outer
> boundary of the epidermis, where they can be used (if needed) by the
> underlying epithelials, but there is not a lot of evidence that they
> do a lot of good.
>
> (Thanks to Dr Sacks again, for learning me some more.)
>
> >What percentage of the viruses could be affected?
>
> Zero.
>
> >Imagine if someone drinks for a long period of time, antiviral teas and
> >then, a huge ammount of antivirals will be released through
> >the perspiration processes?
>
> Nope. Sorry. But we know soap kills the virus, so maybe go eat a
> bunch of soap until that comes out your pores. Let us know how it
> goes, okay?
>
> Mike

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M.L.S. - 21 Dec 2003 03:12 GMT

>Ok, Mike,

Oh, lordy...

>here is why on the common herpes' activity areas, which
>are genitals and lips, it is so hard to get rid of the viruses; one
>cause can be,
>because there are no existing sweat glands in and around those areas.

Did you forget people get herpes lots of different places? The
fingers. The a.s. The thighs. The toes. Were you not able to make
the distinction between "lips" and "in and around" the lips? Herpes
doesn't usual break out ON the lips, but around them, right where the
sweat glands are.

Oops, another Perly theory borken in pieces.

>Sweat glands may contain antivirals such as tannins and others( I will
>try to find out other types, shortly)

>Please read the following (in bold is the relevant part):

>http://health.howstuffworks.com/sweat1.htm

>The Sweat Gland

>The average person has 2.6 million sweat glands in their skin! Sweat
>glands are distributed over the entire body -- EXCEPT FOR THE LIPS,
>nipples and EXTERNAL GENITAL ORGANS. The sweat gland is in the layer
>of skin called the dermis along with other "equipment," such as nerve
>endings, hair follicles and so on. Figure 1 illustrates what's going
>on:

Everywhere there is hair, there are sweat glands, the "external
genital organs" quote notwithstanding. Check yer lips. Check yer
nipples. Check out all the little hairs that are everywhere on the
human body. Right next to the sweat glands.

>http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/skin1.gif

>Mike, here is at the above, a picture representing the sweat glands in
>the skin.

>Can you identify where exactly the herpes virus will shed
>asymptomatically?

Pretty picture, Perly...

The herpes viruses will be replicated in the epithelial cells which
are the dark pink area (in the picture) just under the orange area, in
the part of the epidermis that isn't the outer layer of dead skin (and
other stuff that is the first line of defense against disease.) When
the epithelial cells get too full of little new viruses they will
explode and viruses will spill out onto the surface of the skin. By
the time that happens it is too late for the antivirals that we
currently know about to do anything. Soap and water is what you need
then. Did you eat the soap like I suggested?

If you go back to the picture and look closely you'll see the little
sweat ducts go completely through the epidermis without dropping off
any sweat. No matter what scrumptious things there are in sweat they
won't have any effect on things that take place inside the epithelial
cells because the sweat glands poke THROUGH that layer. There is no
need for sweat inside the epithelial cells.

And you still have the nutty problem of figuring out what is IN sweat,
and it isn't likely to be any of the antivirals, which are cleaned out
of the body by the kidneys, just like the beer I'm about to go track
down.

Mike

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