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rojer - 01 Jan 2004 02:19 GMT
Hi guys,
Happy new year to all. Still me just changed my email. Here I am
before going out on New Years eve still thinking about H. :) Funny.
Anyways things are pretty much the same with me. Still having painfull
days with just a few days of peace in between.  (for those who may
remember me) I still get them every 3 weeks and last 2 weeks but
without any real visible symptoms. Keeping track now but still
confused about what a symptom may be. I always go on and on......my
questions today are ...1) My fiance still has not developed any
symptoms after 6 months (or that she can tell). if your body gets used
to H over time is it a good chance that after so long she may not
develop them in the future? Percentage wise could someone give me an
idea (talking about hsv1 BTW). and 2) If I came up positive for type 1
and had 2 sores on my lip years ago would it be a good or bad idea to
think about performing oral sex on my fiance since I havent had a sore
in years? When I had them I never knew what it was. I was so nieve
about it I actually thought it was like a big pimple or something.
Now, after reading so much and being a part of this group I now what
it was.
thanks again for always answering my and everyones many questions.
roj
Grant - 01 Jan 2004 10:32 GMT
Hi Rojer,

Happy New Year.  :)

I'm sorry that you're still having so much trouble with your outbreaks.

1) My fiance still has not developed any
> symptoms after 6 months (or that she can tell). if your body gets used
> to H over time is it a good chance that after so long she may not
> develop them in the future?

Yes.  She may not develop them.  I don't remember, though, does she have it
or not?

Percentage wise could someone give me an
> idea (talking about hsv1 BTW).

Sorry.  I don't keep track of numbers.  Perhaps someone else will.

2) If I came up positive for type 1
> and had 2 sores on my lip years ago would it be a good or bad idea to
> think about performing oral sex on my fiance since I havent had a sore
> in years?

That depends on if your fiancee has type 1 or 2.  Or, anything at all.  If
she has type 1 then it doesn't matter  because she already has the virus.
If she has type 2, then it would be up to her to decide if she wanted to
take the risk.  She would have some minimal protection because she already
has the virus.  And if she doesn't have anything, then it is definitely up
to her.  If you take the antiviral meds then that will help to cut down any
risk of shedding.

Take care,
ar
rojer - 01 Jan 2004 15:35 GMT
> Hi Rojer,
>
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> Yes.  She may not develop them.  I don't remember, though, does she have it
> or not?

Yeah, She took the herpes select? test and came out positive for
type1.

> Percentage wise could someone give me an
> > idea (talking about hsv1 BTW).
>
> Sorry.  I don't keep track of numbers.  Perhaps someone else will.

Not looking for specific numbers just an idea.



>  2) If I came up positive for type 1
> > and had 2 sores on my lip years ago would it be a good or bad idea to
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> to her.  If you take the antiviral meds then that will help to cut down any
> risk of shedding.

without any symptoms we are taking an educated guess that she must
have it genitally but no way to know. It's hard to go on with our sex
life becuase of this. So after all I've read I thought that if she
hasnt developed any symptoms after so long that she should be ok for
us to think of getting some normalicy back to our sex life (still
wearing shorts) Also, I read somewhere that there is a debate whether
the introduction of more virus from a person with it TO a person who
already has it (of the sane type) can produce outbreaks on another
part of the body of the same region. Like if I get outbreaks on my
lower buttocks and get introduced to more virus even on the same type
on my thigh that I can develop them now on my thigh. You always say
that it's like being pregnant  and cant get it twice but what do you
think about this? By the way, I have been on Famvir 500 mg 3x a day
and Valtrex 500 2x a day. If I always get this pain and it's in such a
large area (from my lower buttocks to my almost above my knees) its
hard for me as new to this if the meds can help the shedding. I dont
get blisters so I dont know what area she can touch at any given time.


> Take care,
> ar

You to.
Rojer
Grant - 01 Jan 2004 16:08 GMT
Hi Rojer,

If you both have type 1 then you can't get it again as long as you both are
healthy.  If you are sick or have an immune disorder, etc, then it is
possible to reinfect another location with the virus.  (Genital, oral,
hands, etc).  However, after about a year, the chances of a healthy person
reinfecting themselves is very rare.  The body has antibodies running around
in it to keep that from happening.

However, it is more likely that your girlfriend has oral herpes than genital
herpes because it is type 1.

If you have genital herpes you can not get genital herpes of the same type
again.  No matter where your outbreaks are, as long as they are within the
boxer short area, the virus lives in one spot - the nerve ganglia servicing
that area.  Once the virus is in there, it's in there.  And there won't be
another virus type 1 coming to live there.

Because you both have type 1, I guess I'm not understanding what your
concern is.  Give your body time to adjust - it's obviously having a rough
time.  Do what you can to help.  (Diet, exercise, rest, reduction of
stress).

Take care,
ar

"rojer" <tr8yes@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> without any symptoms we are taking an educated guess that she must
> have it genitally but no way to know. It's hard to go on with our sex
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> You to.
> Rojer
r. - 02 Jan 2004 02:57 GMT
OK, let me see if I understand this....

You both have type 1?  You on your face and she has tested but never
shown symptoms?

And your concern is about aggravating the issue, causing outbreaks and
such? Or are you asking that since she hasn't had any symptoms, does
that indicate that she probably won't?

Unless your outbreaks are in um, inopportune places -- for example,
mine are at the top of my labia where friction from sex can aggravate
the area, sometimes causing an outbreak -- then you are probably
overall ok.

Is she more nervous about it or are you .... or is it you both?  What
is your worst case concern?  I say give it a shot and get back to a
normal sex life, going as slow as both partners need.  An outbreak is
not the end of the world....and a healthy sex life is important to a
relationship....but not the end all, be all of it.  Just a nice
bennie.  I hope you get my point.  

I understand having tons of outbreaks.  Since the diagnosis 6 months
ago, I have had them every 2-3 weeks.  I am now, however, after taking
good care of myself, outbreak free for about 45 days.  However, I was
on a higher dose of Valtrex 1000mg daily and I think that probably
really did the trick.  But I do rejoice!  LOL

r.

>> Hi Rojer,
>>
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>You to.
>Rojer
rojer - 02 Jan 2004 17:14 GMT
Hey r.,

> OK, let me see if I understand this....

> You both have type 1?  You on your face and she has tested but never
> shown symptoms?

Not exactly, I have it genitally and I also orally since I remember
getting blisters on my lip 2 years ago but yes, she has tested
positive but no symptoms.


> And your concern is about aggravating the issue, causing outbreaks and
> such? Or are you asking that since she hasn't had any symptoms, does
> that indicate that she probably won't?

Ye. I was asking for some advice about her not having symptoms and
what people would think is a good way to proceed ssince she doesnt
have symptoms and therefore we can only guess as to where she has it.
I know the rules and the way the virus works from reading these forums
and other books but was wondering if she had it with no symptoms does
that usually mean that she wont no matter WHERE she gets it. I had it
orally and have had only 2 blister instances in all the years i can
remember but now that I have it genitally I'm having a hard time with
it. Did I just answer my own question? I think I did.
 

> Unless your outbreaks are in um, inopportune places -- for example,
> mine are at the top of my labia where friction from sex can aggravate
> the area, sometimes causing an outbreak -- then you are probably
> overall ok.


> Is she more nervous about it or are you .... or is it you both?  What
> is your worst case concern?  I say give it a shot and get back to a
> normal sex life, going as slow as both partners need.  An outbreak is
> not the end of the world....and a healthy sex life is important to a
> relationship....but not the end all, be all of it.  Just a nice
> bennie.  I hope you get my point.  

I think I am more nerveous than she is. When you love someone as
deeply as I love my fiance it's hard to think of them in pain. I would
die if I make a mistake and she had it orally with no symptoms and
give it to her genitally and she has to go through the pain I have
been going through. I guess for most people its just..get and
outbreak, a little pain, it goes away and they dont have pain till you
get another outbreak. Right? My worst case is she get's the horrible
pain I deal with almost every single day of my life.

> I understand having tons of outbreaks.  Since the diagnosis 6 months
> ago, I have had them every 2-3 weeks.  I am now, however, after taking
> good care of myself, outbreak free for about 45 days.  However, I was
> on a higher dose of Valtrex 1000mg daily and I think that probably
> really did the trick.  But I do rejoice!  LOL

I take the same dosage of Val now with no real help. I still havent
figured out if the meds are the reason I dont get blisters or it's
just the way it is. I havent been brave enough to stop taking them to
see. I'm scared my pain will be worst if I stop.
Hope one day I'm jumping down the isles too. :)  

> r.
r. - 03 Jan 2004 04:25 GMT
I understand your concern.....=(  I am sorry that something such as
sex and closeness which is supposed to be healthy and enjoyable is
frought with such issues.

I have been in those weeks where the outbreaks hurt....both
emotionally and physically.  

When I was first diagnosed, sex was awkward between my partner and
myself.  It became better over time.  His approach, which is not for
everyone I am sure, is that we plan to be together for a long
time....chance are he has already been exposed before I even was
diagnosed.  We have unprotected sex but not during outbreaks.  Because
of his comfort level with it, I regained a comfort level with it as
well.  

Regarding the potential of never having symptoms if she has none
now...well....that is nothing but a crap shoot to be honest.  I have
only had two sex partners my entire life....I am not sure where I
contracted herpes.  I had been in my current relationship for going on
4 years before I was first diagnosed.  

So either I have it from a 10 year marriage that it is now just
showing up.  Or from this current relationship.  The virus can show up
after years, even decades.  She might never have symptoms....you just
will never know.  Unfortunately, I have nothing better to say.

What I will suggest is to find a way to return to a normal sex
life....because if you are to be married, this is something that you
both will be dealing with for a long time.

Herpes is not the end of the world....it can be painful, yes and
humiliating sometimes too.

Hang in there....
r.

>Hey r.,
>
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>remember but now that I have it genitally I'm having a hard time with
>it. Did I just answer my own question? I think I did.

 

>> Unless your outbreaks are in um, inopportune places -- for example,
>> mine are at the top of my labia where friction from sex can aggravate
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>
>> r.
 
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