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Alex - 05 Jan 2004 23:04 GMT
i've had genetal herpes for about two years now.  i've also given it to my
wife - we both knew i had it but she accepted that we would have to risk it
to be able to continue a normal sex life.  we are in our mid 30's and live
in the UK.

haven't really done much research into herpes but another outbreak today
kinda make you a bit more pro-active :)

i wondered if my symptoms were normal.  i can normally tell an outbreak is
on it's way either by pimples appearing on my forhead which is just midly
annoying (i normally know it will be a mild outbreak if this is the case) or
i have severe pains in my left leg, sometimes buttocks as well and in worst
case it's the entire left side of my body.  it's kinda like very achy
muscles, but not neccessarily where muscles are and it hurts all the times -
i don't have to move.  this pain normally lasts about 24 hours.

then 60% of the time i'll get pimples appear on my penis (normally the same
area as a previous infection) which turn into water filled blisters which
within about 36 hours turn into small scabs that take a couple of days to
just turn into scars which take another week to heal and leave no evidence.
if i'm unlucky the hole cycle can start again immeadiately, other times it's
been a couple of months \o/

we rarely take medication.  occasionally i will take aclevere (SP?) on a
severe outbreak to try prevent a secondary infection and the wife will use
zoviarax (SP once again) cream to sooth the ichyness/pain.

during the inital phases (symptoms and blisters) i feel rather crappy, bowel
movements irregular, headaches for no aparent reason.

is this fairly standard or is there anything else i should look out for ?

are there particular foods or drinks that i should be avoiding?  and if so,
at any particular time?  i saw something about  lysine to arginine ratios
but wasn't totally clear whether i should make a point of eating the foods
at the top of the list and avoiding altogether the foods at the bottom of
the list.  I've heard people mention avoiding wine - which is a shame as i
enjoy the odd glass (well may be bottle(s)) quite regularly.

my wife and i enjoy a fairly active sex life mainly ignoring herpes.  i'll
avoid sex during the blistering stage - so this is about 2 days of the
entire cycle that i won't have sex.  she's pretty much the same.  we don't
use any form of protection other than the female pill.  i have slight
concerns about reinfecting other areas of the body or idead other areas of
the gentals.  it's bad enough being infected in the areas i am on my penis
but i wouldn't want to to effect the entire thing.  so is it possible to
reinfect?

also, we both enjoy oral sex but this time both avoiding if there are any
symptoms at all.  neither of us seem to have cold sores, but is is possible
to transfer type 2 to the mouth via oral sex?

both of us try to not let herpes affect us in anyway as much as possible.
sometimes my symptoms are too painful to want to go anywhere, but apart from
this we generally lead a normal life.  even so, i would rather be rid of
it - what sort of work is being done on a cure?  is there any information or
web sites on companies working on cures?  are there any charity's to make
donations to?

there seems to be a lot of BS written on the net and also a lot of people
answering questions who can recomend miracle cures but it's fairly clear
that they are somehow linked to the product they've recomended which
surprise surprise costs money for the rest of my life :/

any comments though will be appreciated or ignored appropriately ;)

regards,
alex
Grant - 05 Jan 2004 23:37 GMT
Hi Alex,

Keep reading for my comments:

> i wondered if my symptoms were normal.  i can normally tell an outbreak is
> on it's way either by pimples appearing on my forhead which is just midly
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> muscles, but not neccessarily where muscles are and it hurts all the times -
> i don't have to move.  this pain normally lasts about 24 hours.

Well, pimples on your forehead are NOT normal for genital herpes.  Are you
sure you don't have a herpes infection on your forehead?  Not likely, of
course, but it is odd.  I would have to say that whatever is bringing on
your herpes outbreaks is also causing you to break out.  Which then leads me
to think it might be a food reaction - more on that later.

The pains in your leg is called neuralgia and is actually nerve pain.  It
hurts like the dickens - often more than the outbreak itself.  I have found
that taking over the counter pain pills really helps with this.  Some people
have it and some don't.

> then 60% of the time i'll get pimples appear on my penis (normally the same
> area as a previous infection) which turn into water filled blisters which
> within about 36 hours turn into small scabs that take a couple of days to
> just turn into scars which take another week to heal and leave no evidence.
> if i'm unlucky the hole cycle can start again immeadiately, other times it's
> been a couple of months \o/

The pimples on your penis are probably the actual herpes outbreak.  I think
what you described is fairly normal.

> we rarely take medication.  occasionally i will take aclevere (SP?) on a
> severe outbreak to try prevent a secondary infection and the wife will use
> zoviarax (SP once again) cream to sooth the ichyness/pain.

The herpes meds won't do anything to keep you from having a secondary
infection, unless you mean having a back to back herpes outbreak.  The meds
should be taken immediately upon feeling the first pain, itch, etc.  If you
wait too long to take the med, then I doubt it is doing anything but costing
you money.

> during the inital phases (symptoms and blisters) i feel rather crappy, bowel
> movements irregular, headaches for no aparent reason.

Yes, some people go through this.

> is this fairly standard or is there anything else i should look out for ?

All fairly standard.

> are there particular foods or drinks that i should be avoiding?  and if so,
> at any particular time?  i saw something about  lysine to arginine ratios
> but wasn't totally clear whether i should make a point of eating the foods
> at the top of the list and avoiding altogether the foods at the bottom of
> the list.  I've heard people mention avoiding wine - which is a shame as i
> enjoy the odd glass (well may be bottle(s)) quite regularly.

Anything that puts stress on the body could trigger an outbreak.  So, if
alcohol is bothering you, then...there you go.  You might want to cut it out
for a month and see if it makes a difference.

Some people have food as a trigger and others don't.  It is very individual.
Common triggers for herpes outbreaks are caffeine, chocolate, nuts.  Also,
if you are taking any protein powders or vitamins, check for arginine.  You
can avoid the foods high in arginine or just take a lysine supplement to
counteract the arginine.

However, if your diet is poor, then you should work on cleaning it up a bit
and see if that helps with your outbreaks.  Cut out the chemicals and
processed foods and eat more whole foods that you prepare yourself and eat
plenty of fresh fruit and fresh veggies.

> my wife and i enjoy a fairly active sex life mainly ignoring herpes.  i'll
> avoid sex during the blistering stage - so this is about 2 days of the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> but i wouldn't want to to effect the entire thing.  so is it possible to
> reinfect?

No.  Once you have herpes in a location, you have it and can't get it again.
However, the location of where you get your outbreaks can change.  The virus
lives in nerve ganglia that services the genital area.  The nerves from that
ganglia spread out all over the "boxer short" area.  The virus becomes
active and then follows a nerve path to the skin where you have an outbreak.
It can take any one of those nerves but mainly tends to stick to the same
few.  But it means that you can break out anywhere in the "boxer short"
area.

> also, we both enjoy oral sex but this time both avoiding if there are any
> symptoms at all.  neither of us seem to have cold sores, but is is possible
> to transfer type 2 to the mouth via oral sex?

Yes, it is possible but it isn't common.

> both of us try to not let herpes affect us in anyway as much as possible.
> sometimes my symptoms are too painful to want to go anywhere, but apart from
> this we generally lead a normal life.  even so, i would rather be rid of
> it - what sort of work is being done on a cure?  is there any information or
> web sites on companies working on cures?  are there any charity's to make
> donations to?

I don't think there are any charities.  There is some work being done on
vaccines for people who don't have herpes yet.  But so far, nothing for us
who already have it.  The very best thing you can do for yourself is to be
the healthiest you can.  Eat right, exercise, get plenty of rest, and try to
avoid stress.  Anything that makes your immune system stronger will keep
herpes away.   And you can take over the counter pain meds to help with all
that pain.

> there seems to be a lot of BS written on the net and also a lot of people
> answering questions who can recomend miracle cures but it's fairly clear
> that they are somehow linked to the product they've recomended which
> surprise surprise costs money for the rest of my life :/

Yeah, there is tons of garbage on the net.  Don't spend your money on
anything that promises cures!!!  :)  Honestly, the best thing is to do what
I mentioned above: live a healthy life.

Good luck.
ar
M.L.S. - 05 Jan 2004 23:54 GMT
>i've had genetal herpes for about two years now.  i've also given it to my
>wife - we both knew i had it but she accepted that we would have to risk it
>to be able to continue a normal sex life.  we are in our mid 30's and live
>in the UK.

Hi, Alex, and welcome to the group.

>haven't really done much research into herpes but another outbreak today
>kinda make you a bit more pro-active :)

>i wondered if my symptoms were normal.  i can normally tell an outbreak is
>on it's way either by pimples appearing on my forehead which is just midly
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>muscles, but not neccessarily where muscles are and it hurts all the times -
>i don't have to move.  this pain normally lasts about 24 hours.

Those are some annoying symptoms.  First time I've heard of the
pimples on the forehead.  I wonder what causes that?  The neuralgia
seems somewhat more severe than most people get, too.  I'm sure you're
thrilled.

>then 60% of the time i'll get pimples appear on my penis (normally the same
>area as a previous infection) which turn into water filled blisters which
>within about 36 hours turn into small scabs that take a couple of days to
>just turn into scars which take another week to heal and leave no evidence.
>if i'm unlucky the hole cycle can start again immeadiately, other times it's
>been a couple of months \o/

>we rarely take medication.  occasionally i will take aclevere (SP?) on a

Acyclovir?  I think if I were having outbreaks nearly every month I'd
be taking more of that.

>severe outbreak to try prevent a secondary infection and the wife will use
>zoviarax (SP once again) cream to sooth the ichyness/pain.

Zovirax and acyclovir are different versions of the same medicine.

>during the inital phases (symptoms and blisters) i feel rather crappy, bowel
>movements irregular, headaches for no aparent reason.

>is this fairly standard or is there anything else i should look out for ?

Well, we've heard of most of those things over the years, but you seem
to have the fun of enjoying more of them at one time that most people
do.  I'm sure you're thrilled to know that.

>are there particular foods or drinks that i should be avoiding?  and if so,
>at any particular time?  i saw something about  lysine to arginine ratios
>but wasn't totally clear whether i should make a point of eating the foods
>at the top of the list and avoiding altogether the foods at the bottom of
>the list.

http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml

Eat the foods at the top of the table, avoid the ones near the bottom.
The more L-lysine in food (and conversely, the less L-arginine) the
better for you, herpes-wise.  You can buy supplemental L-lysine
tablets, too.  Studies on effectiveness are mixed, but many swear by
it.

> I've heard people mention avoiding wine - which is a shame as i
>enjoy the odd glass (well may be bottle(s)) quite regularly.

Yeah, it's a tough call, but as serious as the herp seems for you it
might be worth it to try foregoing for a while.  For purely scientific
purposes, you know.

I have a feeling that if there is a trigger in wine it's those damn
sulfites, and in my (very amateur) experience some wines seem to me
fuller of that crap than others.  Maybe steer for fruity instead of
the full rich tannins.

>my wife and i enjoy a fairly active sex life mainly ignoring herpes.  i'll
>avoid sex during the blistering stage - so this is about 2 days of the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>but i wouldn't want to to effect the entire thing.  so is it possible to
>reinfect?

It's thought that the risk for reinfection (or autoinnoculation -
spreading the disease to a new part of the body) is fairly low if
you've had the disease for more than a year or two.  Still, it
wouldn't hurt to be more careful around times of active outbreaks as
that is when the skin is just teeming with new viruses.  I think I'd
abstain for at least a little more than two days in an outbreak cycle,
too, just to be on the safe side.  Theoretically, the body is starting
to make new viruses when you get those pimples and doesn't really stop
until after the blisters pop and healing begins.

>also, we both enjoy oral sex but this time both avoiding if there are any
>symptoms at all.  neither of us seem to have cold sores, but is is possible
>to transfer type 2 to the mouth via oral sex?

It's possible, but fairly rare.  Most adults have HSV1 orally, whether
they know it or not, which seems to confer a certain amount of
immunity against acquiring HSV2 there.

>both of us try to not let herpes affect us in anyway as much as possible.
>sometimes my symptoms are too painful to want to go anywhere, but apart from
>this we generally lead a normal life.  even so, i would rather be rid of
>it - what sort of work is being done on a cure?  is there any information or
>web sites on companies working on cures?  are there any charity's to make
>donations to?

Save your money, or buy more Acyclovir with it.  It's unlikely you can
find a place that will actually put your donation to herpes research,
though I'm sure you can find lots of people who will promise to do so.

>there seems to be a lot of BS written on the net and also a lot of people
>answering questions who can recomend miracle cures but it's fairly clear
>that they are somehow linked to the product they've recomended which
>surprise surprise costs money for the rest of my life :/

>any comments though will be appreciated or ignored appropriately ;)

>regards,
>alex

Hey, take care.  I hope your outbreaks slow down or ease up.  Stay in
touch.

Mike
Alex - 06 Jan 2004 21:27 GMT
> i've had genetal herpes for about two years now.  i've also given it to my
> wife - we both knew i had it but she accepted that we would have to risk it
> to be able to continue a normal sex life.  we are in our mid 30's and live
> in the UK.

[snip]

> any comments though will be appreciated or ignored appropriately ;)
>
> regards,
> alex

thanks both of you for your comments.

>Well, pimples on your forehead are NOT normal for genital herpes.  Are you
sure you don't have a herpes infection on your forehead?

i'm not sure what it is but it seems to coincide with a normal outbreak on
my penis and it's only something that started happening since i contracted
herpes.  it's only really noticeable up close, so mainly me, and doesn't
bother me in anyway.  i use it as an indication of a small outbreak on it's
way although it doesn't always work.

my symptoms and outbreaks do all sound rather bad when all written down
together but the neuralgia that effects half my body is in extreem cases (i
know i'm for a really bad outbreak when it happens) rather than the norm.  i
guess neuralgia is the pain i have in my penis just before an outbreak as
well.  thanks for putting a word to the pains i get :)

it's kinda nice to know that you think my symptoms are rather bad - at least
i now know that it's unlikely to ever get worse and i cope fairly well with
what i have.  i've read other forums on the net where people seem to be
absolutely devistated and unable to come to terms with herpes and seriously
let it affect their lives.  i / we believe we barely let it effect our lives
except maybe avoiding sex during an outbreak.  this probably totals 4 or 5
days in a bad month (for me - my wife isn't as badly affected as i am).

it seems that i should take more Acyclovir when i sense symptoms.  Problem
here in the UK is that I can't get it over the counter and currently my Dr.
doesn't know I have herpes and I think i'd prefer that, so that it doesn't
get on my medical record - which can be asked for by employers and insurance
etc.  I recently bought a couple of packets in Majorca while on holiday and
it cost me around $40 !!! i can get it free by visiting a STD clinic, but
this is really a PITA :(

from what you've both written it's probably my lifestyle that causes the
frequency of my outbreaks (and the original infection :( ).  My diet
(although i'm not over weight at 6'2" and 14 stone), drinking and little
excercise.  Do i compromise that for fewer outbreaks.  not at the moment i'm
not - maybe in a couple of years :)

I'll keep popping by to the ng now that i know it's here.

Regards,
Alex
spud - 06 Jan 2004 22:21 GMT
Alex

Living in the UK does give you one advantage when it comes to medication.
You can get Acyclovir 2x100mg daily free from the NHS.  All you have to do
is visit your local GU Clinic. They will NOT tell your doctor if you don't
want them to (you dont even have to give your real name if you are that
bothered). And you will find a helpful, non judgemental and supportive
environment. Expect a longish wait on your initial visit, I did; now I drop
in for 5 mins every 4 to 6 weeks to pick up a fresh supply and have a quick
2 minute chat with the doc.

Spud
Alex - 06 Jan 2004 22:55 GMT
> Alex
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Spud

agreed, except that the most local one to me is a 10 mile drive, costs £5
for parking and is as busy as hell.  dropping in for a 5 min "chat" and pick
up free goodies often means a wait of nearly an hour - even if i've made an
appointment :(
 
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