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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / December 2003Dear Joanne
Hopefully you have read my latest posts on herpes and pregnancy. Honestly, the baby is not at risk until the time of birth. The baby doesn't come into contact with the virus until that time. And only then the virus would have to be active and present on the surface during labor and delivery. If you are paranoid or skeptical then go ask Terri Warren. Angela www.yoshi2me.com >Hopefully you have read my latest posts on herpes and pregnancy. Honestly, >the baby is not at risk until the time of birth. The baby doesn't come into [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Angela >www.yoshi2me.com Ya know, Angela, I pray you are right. The midwife I am seeing who has 25+ years experience is telling me otherwise. Which is why I am going to dump her. Apparantly my situation is a rare one per the midwide. This might be a stupid question, but can you just take an antiviral drug to keep your outbreaks down? I believe they are safe to take when pregnant. ar > >Hopefully you have read my latest posts on herpes and pregnancy. Honestly, > >the baby is not at risk until the time of birth. The baby doesn't come into [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > going to dump her. Apparantly my situation is a rare one per the > midwide. Ar, That's what I am doing. I started suppression with Valtrex in mid November. I take 500 mg daily. Back in June or July when I was experiencing a flare up I treated it with Valtrex. It was gone within two or three days. My doctor had me take the meds for one week. I'll be sure to keep you guys posted and let you know how things turn out with my labor and delivery story and herpes ... etc. Angela > This might be a stupid question, but can you just take an antiviral drug to > keep your outbreaks down? I believe they are safe to take when pregnant. > > ar >This might be a stupid question, but can you just take an antiviral drug to >keep your outbreaks down? I believe they are safe to take when pregnant. > >ar She put me on Valtrex after she saw the lesion inside my cervical canal. I will remain on it. But, according to her the damage may already be done. She said we will have to just wait and see if the baby is born with congenital herpes. Well, that's 21 weeks away and I am going a bit crazy with worry. Most of you still don't get what she told me, you seem to think I don't know the facts. I have researched this probably more than anyone on this earth. I will tell you again what the midwife's concern is. I don't expect any replies, I just want to explain again so that it is understood once and for all. I went to the midwife because I had a lot of pain with a recent outbreak. She did a speculum exam and said she saw a lesion on my cervix and that it is very rare to see that. She used some tool (a tenaculum?) and opened the lip of my cervix and saw another lesion in the cervical canal. The cervix is the mouth of the womb, so this means the lesion is about one centimeter or less from the amniotic sac containing the baby. Her concern is that the virus can travel up the very short distance and penetrate the amniotic sac (bag of waters). The placenta filters toxins coming from the bloodstream, it cannot regulate what climbs up the neck of the womb. (this is where I think Angela is getting confused). Last, the midwife said most women do not get lesions in the cervix, so she is especially concerned for my baby in utero with the virus being so close to the baby. Obviously I have no choice but to wait 21 weeks and see if my baby will die or not. In the meantime I will find a new care provider. >Most of you still don't get what she told me, you seem to think I >don't know the facts. I have researched this probably more than >anyone on this earth. Then what are you doing asking technical medical questions in a support group for? You should be seeking professional help in your own real life community instead of asking "How does the herpes virus work?" like some dumbass. Go away. Mike >>Most of you still don't get what she told me, you seem to think I >>don't know the facts. I have researched this probably more than [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Mike I'd tell you to go away, but that won't work because after searching you on google, it appears you are addicted to usenet. You have about a million posts on a million groups and it appears you love to start arguments with tons of people. I will leave this group now, good luck with your herpes, I hope you find a woman someday who will accept you for who you are, herpes and all. You really shouldn't be so judgemental of other people, you are no prize, Mike. >>Go away. >I'd tell you to go away, but that won't work because after searching >you on google, it appears you are addicted to usenet. You have about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >for who you are, herpes and all. You really shouldn't be so >judgemental of other people, you are no prize, Mike. The ability to exercise one's judgement is one of the most profound aspects of being intelligent and conscious. I wouldn't bet a nickel on your judgement. Considering the evidence of your posts, it is difficult to discern whether you possess any. Ta ta. Mike In defense of Mike I will say that no matter how many groups he has visited (which is no crime by the way) . . . at least he knows his herpes facts and can participate in a positive way to help folks that actually do listen and do check out the valid links that are provided. This is a herpes support group Joanne. If you are not getting what you would believe to be adequate support then you need to seek help elsewhere. Angela Joanne, Mike has a point. If you care about your unborn child then you will seek medical attention and perhaps get a second opinion. I would go to an OBGYN SPECIALIST or a PEDIATRIC INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST and stay away from the midwife. If you've already made up your mind and you intend on doing nothing I'm hear to remind you that you are not going to change my mind on any of this . . . it's up to you to take care of yourself and your unborn child. The object is not to convince the newsgroup . . . the object is to convince yourself and do what's right for you and your baby. It's time to move on. Angela Joanne, I'm not "confused" about any of this . . . your midwife is the one that is confusing you. The baby is well protected. Something else I was thinking about as I read your post is the fact that your midwife didn't even bother to do a culture on the lesions that she supposedly saw. She was already there deep inside doing this exam so why the heck didn't she do a culture that would confirm or deny that it was herpes? She claims that what she saw were herpes lesions but unfortunately it doesn't do a whole heck of a lot of good to be diagnosed by site and I can't believe you took her word for it without getting a second opinion or at least demanding that she do a culture. Now ... I've already explained to you that you are confused about how the virus travels and when and where the baby could be at risk but you are still stuck on this midwife that you said yesterday you were considering getting rid of. Your posts are really starting to contradict your story and I'm having difficulties believe that your story is even legit. Either dump your midwife and get a second opinion or enjoy your pregnancy and move on. Stop obsessing and creating things as you go along . . . Angela >Joanne, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Angela I did dump the midwife but until I can get an appointment with an OB, her words still stick in my mind. What difference would it make anyway if she did a culture, according to you and others here, the virus won't travel up, right? ANyway, I'm tired of arguing. Good luck. Sounds like your midwife doesn't know a whole heck of a lot about herpes. If it will make you feel better . . . keep searching out the answers you are looking for. Talk to Terri Warren over on WebMD. She has lots of herpes experience and happens to know the top herpes researchers across the country. It doesn't hurt to keep searching for the facts. I won't knock you for that at all. Angela > Ya know, Angela, I pray you are right. The midwife I am seeing who > has 25+ years experience is telling me otherwise. Which is why I am > going to dump her. Apparantly my situation is a rare one per the > midwide. >Sounds like your midwife doesn't know a whole heck of a lot about herpes. >If it will make you feel better . . . keep searching out the answers you are [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Angela I want this baby to live, so the midwife's diagnosis is making me neurotic. I don't want to lose the baby. Mike does not seem to get that, but he has not experienced the joy of a child, but that's okay. People who don't want children shouldn't have them. >>Sounds like your midwife doesn't know a whole heck of a lot about herpes. >>If it will make you feel better . . . keep searching out the answers you are >>looking for. >>Talk to Terri Warren over on WebMD. She has lots of herpes experience and >>happens to know the top herpes researchers across the country. It doesn't >>hurt to keep searching for the facts. I won't knock you for that at all. >I want this baby to live, so the midwife's diagnosis is making me >neurotic. I don't want to lose the baby. Mike does not seem to get >that, but he has not experienced the joy of a child, but that's okay. >People who don't want children shouldn't have them. Good grief. You were neurotic to start with. You've been neurotic and distraught in your every appearance on Usenet. Pity the people you live with. Go away. Mike >>>Sounds like your midwife doesn't know a whole heck of a lot about herpes. >>>If it will make you feel better . . . keep searching out the answers you are [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Mike It's no surpise you are not married. You seem like such a joy to be around. So extremely helpful and caring........NOT! >It's no surpise you are not married. You seem like such a joy to be >around. So extremely helpful and caring........NOT! Hmmm, sounds like someone's judgement is being manufactured by someone's neurosis and pooped out through someone's emotions. The most helpful thing I can suggest is that you get professional care for your alleged baby. Nothing else I or anyone else can say here will mean anything unless you do that. If you don't want to believe that the immune system does a dandy job of protecting the fetus, even under the alleged condtions you've described, that's your business, but everyone here except for (supposedly) you knows that the risks to your baby are extremely low. Naturally, you'd rather believe someone who (allegedly) "is very negative about this disease." Have a nice day. Mike Joanne, You are making yourself neurotic. If you would spend more time on getting a second opinion instead of posting to this newsgroup I might have a little sympathy for you. At this point it's clear that posting is more important than seeking medical attention for you and your unborn child. We've been having this discussion for several days and I would have hoped you would have had some sort of update on what you have done by way of seeing other docs or specialists. If you don't want to lose your baby then do something important to contribute to that instead of trying to convince the entire herpes newsgroup that what you think you know about herpes is correct information. It's time to move on Joanne. Angela > I want this baby to live, so the midwife's diagnosis is making me > neurotic. I don't want to lose the baby. Mike does not seem to get > that, but he has not experienced the joy of a child, but that's okay. > People who don't want children shouldn't have them. >Joanne, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Angela Once again, Angela, a person can do more than one thing at a time. It is possible to call prospective doctors to check for openings and post to a newsgroup all in the same day. It's called multi-tasking. Don't you DARE accuse me of not caring for my unborn child (like you did in another post). I've been calling OB's for several days now trying to find one that suits me and takes my insurance. Enjoy your baby and get some sleep before she comes. The night feedings are a killer on sleep, but it's worth it. |
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