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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / January 2004Asymptomatic shedding- symtomatic visually only, possibility?
I haven't heared anyone talking about such a situation where in herpes labialis for example with no symptoms present, such as ulcers, tingling etc will instead, be present at a closer look on the lips some persistent white dots blisters-like, that do not seem to cause any of the mentioned symtoms. They can persist there for weeks even months or years with or without the OB's. Basically it is just a texture of the skin for the unexperienced. For someone that is aware of herpes asymtomatic shedding, it can be a clear sign of the symtomatic shedding in the lips. Does any of you have any knowledge about it? Perl Molson P.S. What would be the most effective treatment of the asymtomatic shedding so that the visible texture will dissapear in matter of hours or days? Non- prescriptions ONLY please! (Not interested in Acyclovir, Valtrex, Famvir, Pencyclovir and other such pills). DMSO, Myrrh pure oil, Rose Pure Oil, St. John's Wort oil, you name it. I'd like to see a top most effective treatment of such visible "non-symtomatic, except visually"-symptoms, one day; I have only my own top of treatment for symtomatic herpes (symtoms like a start of an OB and such) >I haven't heared anyone talking >about such a situation where in herpes labialis for example [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >even months >or years with or without the OB's. Where did you get that from, Perl? It's a little tough trying to decipher your less than competent use of the language, but are you trying to say that asymptomatic episodes aren't aysmptomatic? >Basically it is just a texture of the skin >for the unexperienced. >For someone that is aware of herpes asymtomatic shedding, >it can be a clear sign of the symtomatic shedding in the lips. How can something be both symptomatic and asymptomatic at the same time? Is Perl confused again? >Does any of you have any knowledge about it? No, and I bet you don't, either. >Perl Molson >P.S. >What would be the most effective treatment of the asymtomatic >shedding so that the visible texture will dissapear in matter of hours >or days? I recommend Valtrex and Acyclovir (Zovirax). http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_valtrex.pdf In controlled studies Valtrex CONSISTANTLY reduces the frequency and severity of outbreaks in people with multiple outbreaks per year. It also CONSISTANTLY reduces the likelihood of shedding and SUBSTANTIALLY lowers the risk of transferring the virus to an uninfected partner. http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_zovirax.pdf "Double-blind, placebo-controlled studies in patients with frequent recurrences (6 or more episodes per year) have shown that orally administered ZOVIRAX given daily for 4 months to 10 years prevented or reduced the frequency and/or severity of recurrences in greater than 95% of patients." Take care, Mike > >I haven't heared anyone talking > >about such a situation where in herpes labialis for example [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > How can something be both symptomatic and asymptomatic at the same > time? Is Perl confused again? Asymptomatic shedding can become symptomatic shedding as soon as you realize that some clusters (with white dots in the middle) are eventually part of the herpes' activity in the lips. Even though, the clusters are not, eventually the generators of a new OB. How would you call the newly noticed clusters, then? I'd say asymtomatic shedding if there are no OB's Perl Molson > >Does any of you have any knowledge about it? > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Mike >> How can something be both symptomatic and asymptomatic at the same >> time? Is Perl confused again? >Asymptomatic shedding can become symptomatic shedding as >soon as you realize that some clusters (with white dots in the middle) >are eventually part of the herpes' activity in the lips. Now you want to define "asymptomatic" on the basis of whether or not you happen to *notice* an outbreak? 'Tis a bit subjective of you, Perl, not quite your usual rigorous self. Are you feeling okay? >Even though, the clusters are not, eventually the generators of a new OB. What do you think these "clusters" are then, if not an "OB" itself? Is a cluster not a symptom in Perl's world? >How would you call the newly noticed clusters, then? It is impossible to make a diagnosis over the internet, but in your case, Perl, I'm going to guess that the white clusters on your lips are scar tissue from some of the dafter experiments you've conducted on yourself. No charge. >I'd say asymtomatic shedding if there are no OB's Have you met Joanne? She's a very nice girl, but just a little mixed up (like you!). You two ought to get together and dream up more picky technical questions that don't mean squat to anyone needing support. Here's a conjecture for you: If you get a big enough magnifying glass I bet you can turn any asymptomatic episide into a symptomatic one. Is that the scientific breakthrough you've been looking for???? Mike Perl, Do you know what asymptomatic shedding is or what that means? Asymptomatic shedding is when the herpes virus travels to the surface of the skin, is in it's active state, and there are no signs or symptoms. A person that is going through asymptomatic shedding does not know that it's happening because they can not see or feel the active virus. The only thing that I know of that will reduce asymptomatic shedding in the 90th percentile is to take Valtrex. As for over the counter products and/or solutions or "natural" remedies ... you are definitely on your own. Nothing over the counter that I know of has been tested or proven to reduce herpes flare ups or asymptomatic shedding. Good Luck! Angela www.yoshi2me.com > Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Angela > www.yoshi2me.com Valtrex's side effects include testicular shrinkage, kidney and liver failure, famvcyclovir's (famvir) side effects include cancer in conformity to a book called "Prescription Alternatives", just some examples from what I recall since I've skimmed the book. http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0071413189.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071413189/qid=1071044781/sr=1-1/r ef=sr_1_1/104-7316647-4720725?v=glance&s=books#product-details As for over the counter natural remedies that will reduce asymptomatic shedding there are several quite effective items; it takes a while to discover which would be the most efficacious. Something such as Myrrh, St. John's Wort or Rose pure oil. Perl Molson >Valtrex's side effects include testicular shrinkage, kidney and liver >failure, On what basis are such claims made? Does the book you mention below give a way to contact the authors? <gone looking> Mike >famvcyclovir's (famvir) side effects include cancer in conformity to >a book called "Prescription Alternatives", just some examples from [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Perl Molson > >Valtrex's side effects include testicular shrinkage, kidney and liver > >failure, > > On what basis are such claims made? They're on the label. http://www.fda.gov/cder/foi/label/2003/020550s019lbl.pdf Not so much the testicle thing, but --- if you have kidney problems. Patients with kidney problems may have a higher chance for getting side effects or more kidney problems with VALTREX. Your healthcare provider may give you a lower dose of VALTREX. --- What are the possible side effects of VALTREX? Kidney failure and nervous system problems are not common, but can be serious in some patients taking VALTREX. Nervous system problems include aggressive behavior, unsteady movement, shaky movements, confusion, speech problems, hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that are really not there), seizures, and coma. Kidney failure and nervous system problems have happened in patients who already have kidney disease and in elderly patients whose kidneys do not work well due to age. --- Other less common side effects include painful periods in women, joint pain, depression, low blood cell counts, and changes in tests that measure how well the liver and kidneys work --- I suspect that words like 'dimwit' don't really encourage a spirit of open inquiry. ion >--- >I suspect that words like 'dimwit' don't really encourage a spirit of >open inquiry. >ion Welcome to the groups alter ego: alt.assassination.character -- What are the possible side effects of VALTREX? Kidney failure and nervous system problems are not common, but can be serious in some patients taking VALTREX. Nervous system problems include aggressive behavior, unsteady movement, shaky movements, confusion, speech problems, hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that are really not there), seizures, and coma. Kidney failure and nervous system problems have happened in patients who already have kidney disease and in elderly patients whose kidneys do not work well due to age. <<<<<<<<< Ouch, I'll just stick to the herpes. >-- >What are the possible side effects of VALTREX? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >patients whose kidneys do not work well due to age. ><<<<<<<<< >Ouch, I'll just stick to the herpes. The vast majority of people taking Valtrex will never experience any of those symptoms. You're more likely to suffer allergies to seafood than to have problems with Valtrex. (I just made that up but would bet $20 on it.) ;-) Mike > >-- > >What are the possible side effects of VALTREX? [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Mike Speaking of sea food, have you ever tried 'kelp tea'? Perl Molson >Valtrex's side effects include testicular shrinkage, kidney and liver >failure, >famvcyclovir's (famvir) side effects include cancer in conformity to >a book called "Prescription Alternatives", just some examples from >what I recall >since I've skimmed the book. >http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0071413189.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0071413189/qid=1071044781/sr=1-1/r ef=sr_1_1/104-7316647-4720725?v=glance&s=books#product-details >As for over the counter natural remedies that will reduce asymptomatic >shedding >there are several quite effective items; it takes a while to discover >which would be the most efficacious. >Something such as Myrrh, St. John's Wort or Rose pure oil. I've found one address for Dr Earl Mindell, and have written but don't expect to get an answer. But the esteemed Doctor seems to have made the QUACKWATCH List! ;-) Here's a Quackwatch review of one of his books: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/NegativeBR/hbible.html "Earl Mindell, co-founder of Great Earth Vitamin Stores, has added another biblical work to his collection (Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible, Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible for Kids, and Earl Mindell's Pill Bible). This new volume bears the same relationship to authentic herbal information that tales of the Old and New Testaments simplified for children have to the Revised Standard Version. Yet even that analogy does not apply perfectly, because biblical stories retold for juveniles are usually faithful to the original. This herbal is characterized by numerous sins of commission and omission, as well as by a large number of weasel words like "possible benefits," "may help," "often used," "long used," "have relied on," "touted as," "is believed." Such constant equivocation should cause a careful reader to question the validity of any of the information. Pharmacist Mindell states that he owes his lifelong interest in herbs to a college course called Pharmacognosy 101. Pharmacognosy is the science of medicines from natural sources. As a professor in that discipline, I must say it is unfortunate that he did not go on to Pharmacognosy 102." --Varro E. Tyler, Ph.D. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Hmmm, Earl is co-founder of Great Earth Vitamin Stores... Fancy that. I bet he makes a tidy living scamming dimwits like Perl Molson. Mike |
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