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DMSO and Herpes

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Rich - 14 Nov 2003 18:15 GMT
Hello,  I have been watching and learning much from this group.  I have had
herpes for 17 years, and never used any type of medication.  At first it
was out of fear and ridicule from the medical field.  I had some bad
encounters when I was diagnosed.  Now I only break out 3 of 4 times a year
on my genital area (male).  However, during my most recent out break I
tried something on a whim.  I currently use *DMSO* for my shoulder.  I have
chronic shoulder pain,and was told by a sports physician to rub DMSO on my
shoulder prior to and after my work-outs.  My shoulder never felt better.  

So, when my last out-break came about I decided to give DMSO a try.  Right
before the blisters reared their ugly little heads, I applied a very small
amount of DMSO to area they normally appear.  I followed this with more
application each morning and evening.  The end result was; I only have a
small read area appear, with no white blister type heads.  I did not have
any of the normal discomfort of a regular out-break.

Now, I am not saying this was a cure to my herpes, however, I did have much
less discomfort.  I will continue to use it on future out-breaks, as this
may have been some kind of fluke.

DMSO can be purchased at most health food stores, or at a much better price
on-line. I spent about $7. There are some side effects to using DMSO; My
suggestion is to apply a small amount to a less sensitive area first, so
the body can become accustomed to the product first.  In the beginning, for
me, when I used DMSO on my shoulder it would really itch for a short time,
but now after about 6 months I have no sensation at all.  Some people claim
to taste garlic after applying DMSO, and other claim to have headaches.  I
have experienced neither.  My suspicion is that many people may use to
much.  I only use a very small amount.

I only put this out as info, as I like to know what works for others.  If
anyone has experience with DMSO I would like to hear about them.
Grant - 14 Nov 2003 19:36 GMT
Thanks for sharing that information.

ar

> Hello,  I have been watching and learning much from this group.  I have had
> herpes for 17 years, and never used any type of medication.  At first it
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> I only put this out as info, as I like to know what works for others.  If
> anyone has experience with DMSO I would like to hear about them.
Angela - 16 Nov 2003 18:06 GMT
Actually . . . there is additional information on DMSO in the links section
over on www.yoshi2me.com . DMSO is *not* considered safe by any means.

Hang in there . . .

Angela
Tim Fitzmaurice - 17 Nov 2003 17:15 GMT
> Actually . . . there is additional information on DMSO in the links section
> over on www.yoshi2me.com . DMSO is *not* considered safe by any means.

It depends significantly on what you use and how you use it. The guy was
talking about topical use, rather than the rather commonly suggested
internal use. Bear in mind that it is the solvent (at 10% stremgth not
neat I will add) for at least one listed herpes med, for an ocular
indication. It is commonly used in research as a drug solvent.

My worries at that point would be far more focussed on what grade of DMSO
was being used (as any impurties are also going to wash over the skin
barrier in the solvent) as the primary issue. My next main worry would be
how much use it would actually be in comparison with other OTC meds.

It has got some issues (particularly the huge 'don't go buy it from
the hardware store in the industrial solvent grade' one) but the ones he
was pointing out (atheletic use) is one that has bounced been around, it
certainly used in equine medicine and although that area is a little
quirky its also a very hard nosed industry and side effects will get
noticed in the 10 million dollar horse. There was a lot fo interest in the
compound and its safety record in the late 70s and early 80s where a lot
of work got done. Hmm, ought to go do a trawl and see what stuff has
pulled out recently I guess....

Tim
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Angela - 18 Nov 2003 00:35 GMT
Hey thanks for the heads up Tim! I really appreciate it very much.

:-)

Angela
www.yoshi2me.com

> > Actually . . . there is additional information on DMSO in the links section
> > over on www.yoshi2me.com . DMSO is *not* considered safe by any means.
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> When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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Perl Molson - 20 Nov 2003 15:13 GMT
How about trying MSM instead; both MSM and DMSO contain
sufphur compounds, they are pretty much similar; MSM is
very safe with no side effects.
You can try the same procedure with it instead.

I have very recently discovered MSM with Epson Salts, Bath Theraphy.

Man, this is real stuff!

Perl Molson

> Hello,  I have been watching and learning much from this group.  I have had
> herpes for 17 years, and never used any type of medication.  At first it
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> I only put this out as info, as I like to know what works for others.  If
> anyone has experience with DMSO I would like to hear about them.
M.L.S. - 20 Nov 2003 16:08 GMT
>How about trying MSM instead; both MSM and DMSO contain
>sufphur compounds, they are pretty much similar; MSM is
>very safe with no side effects.

Is that Doctor Molson's final word on the subject?  No side effects?

If people taking MSM experience nausea, dizziness, or cramps, does
Doctor Molson recommend they just ignore those symptoms?

If people are taking other blood thinning medications, does Doctor
Molson say it's okay, not to worry?

Or is Doctor Molson just a pimp for every fad that lights up his
eyeballs and the personal safety of others be damned?

Just curious.

Mike
Perl Molson - 20 Nov 2003 23:41 GMT
> >How about trying MSM instead; both MSM and DMSO contain
> >sufphur compounds, they are pretty much similar; MSM is
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>
> Mike

Don't be silly.
Of course, if you abuse taking a huge ammount of MSM you can
have such blood thinning problems, but if you take reasonable ammounts
I doubt this will happen; and actually here was about not ingesting
the
MSM pill but taking it topically which is most likely less
probable to cause your mentioned problem.

I the case of Acyclovir and other similar ones,
firstly, by taking it, you do not allow your immune system to
cope with the virus becoming more capable in time,
secondly we do not know how that genetic type of alteration
will impact the body on the long term or under a large ammount of
medicines taken and thirdly, we do not know how the liver will be able
to deal with
it on the long run to point out only a few examples.

Perl Molson
M.L.S. - 21 Nov 2003 00:52 GMT

>> >How about trying MSM instead; both MSM and DMSO contain
>> >sufphur compounds, they are pretty much similar; MSM is
>> >very safe with no side effects.

>> Is that Doctor Molson's final word on the subject?  No side effects?

>> If people taking MSM experience nausea, dizziness, or cramps, does
>> Doctor Molson recommend they just ignore those symptoms?

>> If people are taking other blood thinning medications, does Doctor
>> Molson say it's okay, not to worry?

>> Or is Doctor Molson just a pimp for every fad that lights up his
>> eyeballs and the personal safety of others be damned?

>> Just curious.

>Don't be silly.
>Of course, if you abuse taking a huge ammount of MSM you can
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>MSM pill but taking it topically which is most likely less
>probable to cause your mentioned problem.

You "doubt", "most likely", "less probable".  In other words, you
don't really know.  And of course, despite your claim that you weren't
talking about "ingesting" the stuff, your simple-minded enthusiasm for
the largely untested product could easily have left someone with the
impression that there are, in your own words, "no side effects" no
matter how the stuff is used.

>I the case of Acyclovir and other similar ones,
>firstly, by taking it, you do not allow your immune system to
>cope with the virus becoming more capable in time,

Poppycock.  You don't know what you're talking about.

>secondly we do not know how that genetic type of alteration
>will impact the body on the long term or under a large ammount of

There is no "genetic type of alteration".  You're spewing nonsense.

>medicines taken and thirdly, we do not know how the liver will be able
>to deal with it on the long run to point out only a few examples.

Acyclovir and Valtrex don't affect the liver at all.  You're either
very confused or have no morals and don't care what you say in the
support group.

And for that matter, all the crap you say about Acyclovir can be said
about DMSO and MSM, but somehow, in the squirrelly world you've
created for yourself you're willing to uncritically swallow any mumbo
jumbo that comes along while turning up your nose at that which can be
proven.  The elevator doesn't go quite to the top floor, eh, Perl?

Mike
Tim Fitzmaurice - 27 Nov 2003 13:23 GMT
> I the case of Acyclovir and other similar ones,
> firstly, by taking it, you do not allow your immune system to
> cope with the virus becoming more capable in time,

ACV et al do not completely eliminate virus shedding...so they aren't
going to be eliminating virus activity. That means it can still activate
to challenge the immune system

> secondly we do not know how that genetic type of alteration
> will impact the body on the long term

There are a number of long term studies of exactly this type. They were
required for the indication for suppressive therapy. Data for people who
have been on ACV for periods of years is available.

or under a large ammount of
> medicines taken and thirdly, we do not know how the liver will be able
> to deal with
> it on the long run to point out only a few example

Again the long term studies haven't raised a liver issue. Toxicity issues
long term tend to be high doses, or iv, and the kidneys. Renal patients
are an issue and so is good hydration....unless you are a horse in which
case any ACV and you may be staring at a kidney problem where it
crystallises but I haven't seen that sort of neigh-sayer here yet :)

Most of the issues you are raising are being looked at or have been in
detail. Most will be in index medicus listed journals which means a trawl
in pubmed will find them

Oh and as a side note - please don;t go and find a bunch of papers and
reproduce them here wholesale. Without sensible commenting and questions
it becomes impossible to trawl through the morass of irrelevant detail of
a paper and discuss the issues correctly and it also fails the fair use
issues in copyright (which since you recently reproduced in full past
and future colleagues of mine who mayish to be able to hand out the
reprints of their papers that they had to pay for, or have people go to a
relevant database and see their work in context of related papers rather
than have people have the full text splashed in random in newsgroups with
no added question, discussion etc becomes an issue).
Trimming out the irrelevant bits, quoting relevant bits and asking
questions around them etc etc is both easier to work with and answer and
not a breach of copyright either. Abstracts do exist for a reason since
they tend to have this sort of paraphrasing built in (and in the UK are
freely reproduible as well). Structure your questions round them.

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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Guy - 27 Nov 2003 15:39 GMT
<snip>:
...unless you are a horse in which
> case any ACV and you may be staring at a kidney problem where it
> crystallises but I haven't seen that sort of neigh-sayer here yet :)

<snip>

Thanks for my laugh of the day!!!!

"Neigh-sayer" indeed!

roflmao

Hang in
-G
Tim Fitzmaurice - 21 Nov 2003 16:48 GMT
> How about trying MSM instead; both MSM and DMSO contain
> sufphur compounds, they are pretty much similar; MSM is
> very safe with no side effects.

They don;t contain, they are sufur compounds. MSM is simply oxidised
DMSO, an event that occurs in the body with DMSO anway.
As such its pretty similar, but without the garlic smell (usually
attributed to the compound produced by reduction of DMSO, dimethyl
sulphide)...as I understand it its not as good a penetrant
though, so DMSO has aways been the clinical compound of choice.

TIm
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