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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / November 2003I Tried The DermaSeptic.
Hi I'm a new user of this group. I noticed a few of you out there were maligning the good folks at DermaSeptic. STOP! While not one to gush, I have to say this is one of the things that will get us close to stopping this gross, painful, persistent scourge. It DOES work. It's not 100%, as nothing is. It clearly eliminated the pain of the lesion when applied, BUT that pain does return after awhile. It Markedly reduces Time to scab (TTS). YOu know after it forms and is all soft, and it looks like it's about to break. It CAN and will help you abort a cold sore (in the right conditions) It take a little getting used to. But again, IT DOES work, just use it in an arsenal and you should do okay. If you like to email me let me know, I'd be happy to discuss with anyone. There's more to the story too. Customer service at the company ROCKS! I don't remember reading anything about this. But this is why we need people to stick around the newsgroup - so they can talk about their experiences. :) ar > Hi I'm a new user of this group. I noticed a few of you out there were > maligning the good folks at DermaSeptic. STOP! [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > There's more to the story too. Customer service at the company ROCKS! > I don't remember reading anything about this. But this is why we need > people to stick around the newsgroup - so they can talk about their [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > > > It DOES work. It's not 100%, as nothing is. I was noting one of M.L.S's articles. He seemed pretty miffed at the notion that there MAY be something out there. From here on Mike is behind the ">" > Does silver have properties that proper delivery makes efficacious? Yup, do a google search for "antimicrobial silver concept" > How many electrodes does one go through in a year? I went through one. well, Not really, I just started to wonder when it would begin to wear out. So I went to the website, I couldn't find the place to order supplies! WTF!? So I emailed them. Klearsen asked me to call them toll-free. I was having an OB at the time after having the unit for about a year and a half. I tried to use it and the DermaSeptic went haywire. "Oh, I'm screwed," I thought. But they replaced the whole thing, with a new battery, and 2 new electrodes, in nifty little plastic wrapping too! AND sent me all that at no charge. Not even S&H! > Why does DermaSeptic *look* like the epitome of a fly-by-night > bidness? I don't know why they appear that way to you Mike. I'd imagine we're all a little jaded by the empty promises made by all the snake-oil hawks, not to mention the Doctors and Pharma companies and their "stuff." I actually appreciate the lack of pretense and fluff at Klearsen's web site. This is the web Mike, a Mom and Pop could look like SONY.com with the right programmer. > Have any of our faithful readers tried the thing? They do claim to > have a money back guarantee... I'd be interested to hear if that's > true. True as the sore on my lip! I didn't ask for it, but I bet they would've sent me a refund check in a few days had I asked. The way they helped me when I called them was a plain ol' pleasant surprise. Top notch customer service. > And while I think I should have more questions, somehow I feel > depleted. Perhaps I need a new lithium ion batt'ry. Walgreens has 'em. they're the same one as is in my remote-entry FOB. cheap too! like $1.69 > Take care, buy with caution.> > Mike take a chance, lose the lesion! <---hey I kinda like that! Jay >> I don't remember reading anything about this. But this is why we need >> people to stick around the newsgroup - so they can talk about their >> experiences. :) >> ar >> "JB" <avngneer@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> > It DOES work. It's not 100%, as nothing is. >I was noting one of M.L.S's articles. He seemed pretty miffed at the >notion that there MAY be something out there. Miffed? I didn't have to even mention the advertisment for the Dermaseptic gadget that I saw in one of the flight magazines during a trip, but I thought it would interest the group and so I presented it, looked up the website, and gave my opinion. >From here on Mike is behind the ">" Ah, these are the questions I asked back in August. >> Does silver have properties that proper delivery makes efficacious? >Yup, do a google search for "antimicrobial silver concept" I just did, with the added words HSV and herpes, and the only thing halfway pertinent that turned up was something with the loud disclaimer that the claims are best considered "Dubious". http://www.nutritionfarm.com/glossary/reports/dubcollsilvrep.htm So instead of making other people do your Google searches for you, why don't you just lay it out for them? >> How many electrodes does one go through in a year? >I went through one. well, Not really, I just started to wonder when it >would begin to wear out. So I went to the website, I couldn't find the >place to order supplies! WTF!? So I emailed them. Klearsen asked me to >call them toll-free. I was having an OB at the time after having the >unit for about a year and a half. I tried to use it and the >DermaSeptic went haywire. "Oh, I'm screwed," I thought. What do you mean, it "went haywire"??? >But they replaced the whole thing, with a new battery, and 2 new >electrodes, in nifty little plastic wrapping too! AND sent me all that >at no charge. Not even S&H! Why not? Your $100 will pay for several of those gizmos. >> Why does DermaSeptic *look* like the epitome of a fly-by-night >> bidness? >I don't know why they appear that way to you Mike. Well, you could ask me and I'd tell you. Let's start with the blurb on their home page under their corportate logo: "Klearsen makes products that eliminate the illness - not just treat the symptoms." Underneath that is listed: Cold Sores Fever Blisters Herpes Genital Herpes Warts Genital Warts Is Klearson implying that the Dermaseptic gadget *eliminates* herpes and gential warts? Does that seem responsible to you? Not to me. I *know* that their gadget does no such thing. But they are hoping that suckers like you and Perl and millions of others will believe them and spend their money. Then, proceeding to any one of the pages related to the listed topics above and all you'll find there is emotional crap designed to prey further on the sensibilities of the ignorant and uninformed (and scared.) There is absolutely nothing of medical or scientific value stated on those pages. The stupid "Scientific Testing" link (included on every other page to lend that little air of authority) leads to a page filled with the kind of gobbledygook that will keep Perl enthralled for weeks, but which, upon simple inspection, says absolutely NOTHING about HSV, herpes, HPV, warts, or even viruses. It's a complete sham, dressed up in the faux jargon of sci-med speak and presented only as window dressing for the unsuspecting. That's why I think the company is circumspect! > I'd imagine we're >all a little jaded by the empty promises made by all the snake-oil >hawks, not to mention the Doctors and Pharma companies and their >"stuff." I actually appreciate the lack of pretense and fluff at >Klearsen's web site. How much are they paying you? There is nothing at the site BUT pretense and fluff. >This is the web Mike, a Mom and Pop could look like SONY.com with the >right programmer. >> Have any of our faithful readers tried the thing? They do claim to >> have a money back guarantee... I'd be interested to hear if that's >> true. >True as the sore on my lip! I didn't ask for it, but I bet they >would've sent me a refund check in a few days had I asked. The way >they helped me when I called them was a plain ol' pleasant surprise. >Top notch customer service. Since you didn't ask for a refund, and they didn't give you one, you can hardly say that you know they honor their guarantee. Perhaps their guarantee *is* as true as the sore on your lip, or perhaps it's as true as the sore you claim is on your lip, comprende? >> And while I think I should have more questions, somehow I feel >> depleted. Perhaps I need a new lithium ion batt'ry. >Walgreens has 'em. they're the same one as is in my remote-entry FOB. >cheap too! like $1.69 >> Take care, buy with caution.> >> Mike >take a chance, lose the lesion! <---hey I kinda like that! Yeah, let's hope the check doesn't bounce. Mike Whoa, Mike, Sorry I pissed you off man. I found something that works for me. I thought I would share it with the group. > >I was noting one of M.L.S's articles. He seemed pretty miffed at the > >notion that there MAY be something out there. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trip, but I thought it would interest the group and so I presented it, > looked up the website, and gave my opinion. You're right. It is impossible to glean emotional content from text. It is especially hazardous to attempt to ascertain that content in newsgroups and on the web. I stand corrected, please accept my apologies. > >From here on Mike is behind the ">" > > Ah, these are the questions I asked back in August. I Just joined the board today, I make it a habit to look back in the boards that I join to get a sense of who's who. I had you pegged as a straight-shooter, and someone of good clarity of thought. I'm sure this will not change. > >> Does silver have properties that proper delivery makes efficacious? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So instead of making other people do your Google searches for you, why > don't you just lay it out for them? Nah man, don't add the HSV stuff, It points you away from the pure concept. Here are some of the links I was talking about: http://www.aksteel.com/news/press_release.asp?doc_id=146 http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-05/kc-wog050903.php Those two explain the concept of Ionized silver being used as an antimicrobial agent. Here's a quote I had in my clipboard from when I ordered it. I can't remember where it comes from but the concept is used by EMTs, my brother is a medic in the ARMY reserves, He says they use them in their BURN packs. Anyway, the quote: "Silver has a long history as an effective inhibitor of bacterial growth. People have used silver for centuries to prevent infections and to line vessels intended for long-term water storage. Because silver molecules are inorganic, bacteria cannot develop resistance to it." Ask your Doc about it. > >> How many electrodes does one go through in a year? > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What do you mean, it "went haywire"??? There's an LED that flashes when the circuit is complete (It's hard to explain) but It would just blink like crazy! REALLY Quickly. > >But they replaced the whole thing, with a new battery, and 2 new > >electrodes, in nifty little plastic wrapping too! AND sent me all that > >at no charge. Not even S&H! > > Why not? Your $100 will pay for several of those gizmos. I understand, Mike. I don't blame you for feeling that way. But remember. >I< Tried it. It worked for >me.< If the ChoraPhor works for >ME< I'll post here too. If it doesn't I'll post just as well. > > >> Why does DermaSeptic *look* like the epitome of a fly-by-night > >> bidness? > > >I don't know why they appear that way to you Mike. I should've kept my keyboard shut! : ) > Well, you could ask me and I'd tell you. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the symptoms." > That's why I think the company is circumspect! Point well taken. But remember I started by saying I wasn't a cure. but it DOES WORK! > > I'd imagine we're > >all a little jaded by the empty promises made by all the snake-oil [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > How much are they paying you? There is nothing at the site BUT > pretense and fluff. That's not true. The concept is sound. It's the only thing that was different than the same old tube-of-goo approach. It was something I could do that was ACTIVE. Something I could DO. I have no affiliation with Klearsen Corporation at all. Email me, I'll give you my phone number, we can conference them in and provide proof. K? > >This is the web Mike, a Mom and Pop could look like SONY.com with the > >right programmer. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > their guarantee *is* as true as the sore on your lip, or perhaps it's > as true as the sore you claim is on your lip, comprende? You're right I didn't ask for a refund, so I can only speculate. Positive outlook retracted. But that last part is low man. If I didn't have this damn nasty F#@*in disease, my whole f*&$%in life, I wouldn't BE on this board! I have a web cam and Yahoo Messenger, I can show you my current Outbreak if you want to look, The big ones on my upper lip are the ones I'm using the DermaSeptic on. The smaller ones (3) on my lower lip I'm saving for the ChoraPhor. > >> And while I think I should have more questions, somehow I feel > >> depleted. Perhaps I need a new lithium ion batt'ry. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Yeah, let's hope the check doesn't bounce. There is no check. Geez, man Come ON! I had the feeling that I'd been screwed, I took a chance. Hell yeah I was skeptical, Even if the folks at Klearsen have a dud, They ARE NOT trying to rip people off. I asked why it was $100. I got the obvious R&D cost recoupment answer, WTF? I thought It's worth a try I thought. Please accept my apologies for coming in on your wrong side. Look man, I'm not out to anger anyone, I know this gets a little aggravating. I'm Sorry. Jay >> >Yup, do a google search for "antimicrobial silver concept" >> I just did, with the added words HSV and herpes, and the only thing >> halfway pertinent that turned up was something with the loud >> disclaimer that the claims are best considered "Dubious". >> http://www.nutritionfarm.com/glossary/reports/dubcollsilvrep.htm >> So instead of making other people do your Google searches for you, why >> don't you just lay it out for them? >Nah man, don't add the HSV stuff, It points you away from the pure >concept. >Here are some of the links I was talking about: >http://www.aksteel.com/news/press_release.asp?doc_id=146 >http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2003-05/kc-wog050903.php Neither mentions viruses. Anti-bacterial does not equal anti-viral. >Those two explain the concept of Ionized silver being used as an >antimicrobial agent. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >silver molecules are inorganic, bacteria cannot develop resistance to >it." >Ask your Doc about it. Bacteria are not viruses. Herpes is a virus. Of course, colloidal silver may indeed have some effect against viruses in general, and herpes in particular, but there's nothing more than innuendo been presented about it the last few days. Take care, Mike <big snips> >I understand, Mike. I don't blame you for feeling that way. But >remember. >I< Tried it. It worked for >me.< If the ChoraPhor works for >>ME< I'll post here too. If it doesn't I'll post just as well. You may think I'm being overly critical, but I really am just being my normally skeptical self. Perhaps I've held my tongue too many times over the past few years? ;-) You say you've had the Dermaseptic device for over a year and a half, which I presumes means that you've actively used it for that length of time, and yet, here you are, in the middle of a big outbreak, standing up to say it works??? Maybe you should give us a clearer, more complete version of your herpes history. You are an unusual case to have had it for so long and to still be so at its mercy. >I have no affiliation with Klearsen Corporation at all. Email me, I'll >give you my phone number, we can conference them in and provide proof. >K? That's okay, I was just being presumptious to counter your presumptions about me. >You're right I didn't ask for a refund, so I can only speculate. >Positive outlook retracted. But that last part is low man. If I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >upper lip are the ones I'm using the DermaSeptic on. The smaller ones >(3) on my lower lip I'm saving for the ChoraPhor. 'Er, no, thanks, but feel free to keep us posted on the relative healing times. I have to say, though, that by the time the Choraphor gets to you, even if they overnight it, it's going to be too late for your homegrown clinical trial. The normal healing process is probably *already* under way. >There is no check. Geez, man Come ON! >I had the feeling that I'd been screwed, I took a chance. Hell yeah I >was skeptical, Even if the folks at Klearsen have a dud, They ARE NOT >trying to rip people off. I asked why it was $100. I got the obvious >R&D cost recoupment answer, WTF? I thought It's worth a try I thought. >Please accept my apologies for coming in on your wrong side. >Look man, I'm not out to anger anyone, I know this gets a little >aggravating. I'm Sorry. You're not on my wrong side, JB, I'm just happen to be in the mood to challenge your glib faith in that which I feel is largely beyond substantiation. And, as you admit, I've been right in several of my observations. ;-) Take care, Mike > You may think I'm being overly critical, but I really am just being my > normally skeptical self. Perhaps I've held my tongue too many times > over the past few years? ;-) I know the feeling. > You say you've had the Dermaseptic device for over a year and a half, > which I presumes means that you've actively used it for that length of > time, and yet, here you are, in the middle of a big outbreak, standing > up to say it works??? In my first post I said it's not 100%. I never expected it to be 100%. THERE IS NO CURE FOR HERPES. I know that. (yet) I didn't expect it to completely stop my outbreaks, but it does substantially lower my healing time. Maybe because of secondary actions who knows, it might be mind over matter. > Maybe you should give us a clearer, more > complete version of your herpes history. You are an unusual case to > have had it for so long and to still be so at its mercy. I've had it since as far back as I can remember. My parents have it. As do my brother and sister. Cold sores show up every 3-4 months and take a week or two to heal. Sometimes there's a secondary sore that shows up shortly after. I've always thought there was nothing I could do about them, except carmex, or blistex, so I just went on with my life. I guess I ignored all of the progress that was being made. and only just started trying to actively fight it. and bob's your uncle. JB >> You may think I'm being overly critical, but I really am just being my >> normally skeptical self. Perhaps I've held my tongue too many times >> over the past few years? ;-) >I know the feeling. >> You say you've had the Dermaseptic device for over a year and a half, >> which I presumes means that you've actively used it for that length of >> time, and yet, here you are, in the middle of a big outbreak, standing >> up to say it works??? >In my first post I said it's not 100%. I never expected it to be 100%. >THERE IS NO CURE FOR HERPES. I know that. (yet) I didn't expect it to >completely stop my outbreaks, but it does substantially lower my >healing time. Maybe because of secondary actions who knows, it might >be mind over matter. Or, the thing may actually work. I don't like the company's website, and I tend to doubt the science, but I can't categorically state that the technology can't possibly work. >> Maybe you should give us a clearer, more >> complete version of your herpes history. You are an unusual case to >> have had it for so long and to still be so at its mercy. >I've had it since as far back as I can remember. My parents have it. >As do my brother and sister. Cold sores show up every 3-4 months and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >life. I guess I ignored all of the progress that was being made. and >only just started trying to actively fight it. Yep, there's been a lot learned in just the last few years. And quite a few new products, especially in the ointments line. Abreva comes to mind, but there are others, too. Try the Acyclovir though, episodically, and see what happens. And let us know. Take care, Mike The antivirals seemed to work FASTER than the DS. So if it the choice between it and a course of antivirals I think I'll have to say that the antivirals would get the nod. I may probably still use it but not as a sole remedy. >The antivirals seemed to work FASTER than the DS. So if it the choice >between it and a course of antivirals I think I'll have to say that >the antivirals would get the nod. I may probably still use it but not >as a sole remedy. Thanks for the update, JB. The antivirals are good stuff. For most people they do the job they're supposed to do, and there's just nothing else out there that's been as rigorously tested or with such high rates of effectiveness. Unfortunately or not, they don't grow on trees, and so they aren't free for the taking (but if they grew on trees someone would charge for access to the orchard, too) and so it goes. In the end I hope you're getting some relief. Take care, Mike |
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