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Diva - 06 Mar 2007 19:45 GMT
Hello again everybody.  Haven't been on the site for a while - and the
nice man I had connected with last summer who researched so much about
HSV wound up dropping out of sight for reasons unknown - in case
anybody remembers - or cares! lol

I have decided to start a sexual health thread in the Forums on
plentyoffish.com after being told by another member that those of us
with HSV should only date one another!  There are a whole lot of laws
against saying only [insert oppressed minority here] should date
amongst themselves but I guess the cold sore lobby doesn't have much
of a voice - yet?

Just to clarify, in my earlier posts when I was emphasizing how
similar HSV 1 & 2 are my focus has always been on the lack of stigma
around facial cold sores versus the ridiculous stigma about cold sores
"south of the equator". ( when I was first diagnosed, it seems like I
had an outbreak every time I said the word "herpes" out loud; when I
started to refer to it as "tropical cold sores" the outbreaks became
less frequent)

I lost my copy of one of the best books about herpes - by a Canadian
doctor in B.C. - when I moved so I don't have access to the most
recent figures - from REPUTABLE researchers - about how rare it is to
have asymptomatic viral shedding years & years after the initial
outbreak.  As I recall the risk goes down pretty much exponentially -
but you'd never know that if you listen to those [expletive deleted]
ads for Valtrex!

I know that an initial outbreak of genital herpes can have
debilitating effects on a newborn - I believe it's called neonatal
herpes? - but in this day & age I would imagine that's very rare.  Not
sure if they do c-sections of if expectant moms are put on antivirals
- either way as long as babies are healthy that's all the matters (is
that what the eyedrops given to newborns are for? I forget it's been
so long since I had one!)

It is also my understanding that the complications of HSV1, while
rare, are actually much more severe.  Encephalitis comes to mind - not
sure of others off the top of my head.  Does the virus ever actually
travel "the wrong way" from the basal ganglia - do I have my ganglia
right?

One of the sites on the web, purporting to educate people, suggests
the virus can be transmitted by mutual masturbation.  While I suppose
this could happen in very rare cases, if an open sore on the genitals
contacted an open sore on the finger producing herpes whitlow (sp?)
but I know that I've read the virus is easily killed with soap and
water.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know what information you would like to
see about this virus on the largest free dating site in the world -
even if it means I never get another date! lmao

Thanks.
Yoshi2me - 07 Mar 2007 03:40 GMT
> Hello again everybody.  Haven't been on the site for a while - and the
> nice man I had connected with last summer who researched so much about
> HSV wound up dropping out of sight for reasons unknown - in case
> anybody remembers - or cares! lol

It's not that I don't care. It's just that I honestly don't remember your
story.

> I have decided to start a sexual health thread in the Forums on
> plentyoffish.com after being told by another member that those of us
> with HSV should only date one another!

But, why do they think that people with herpes should have to limit
themselves to dating and loving only those people in the world that have it?
I sure didn't!
http://yoshi2me.com/herpes-telling.html

> There are a whole lot of laws
> against saying only [insert oppressed minority here] should date
> amongst themselves but I guess the cold sore lobby doesn't have much
> of a voice - yet?

Ok, now I'm lost?

> Just to clarify, in my earlier posts when I was emphasizing how
> similar HSV 1 & 2 are my focus has always been on the lack of stigma
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> started to refer to it as "tropical cold sores" the outbreaks became
> less frequent)

That's just downright ridiculous! You do know that, right?

> I lost my copy of one of the best books about herpes - by a Canadian
> doctor in B.C. - when I moved so I don't have access to the most
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> but you'd never know that if you listen to those [expletive deleted]
> ads for Valtrex!

This is what I know about asymptomatic shedding:
http://yoshi2me.com/herpes/viral-shedding.html

> I know that an initial outbreak of genital herpes can have
> debilitating effects on a newborn - I believe it's called neonatal
> herpes?

Well, it depends on the situation. It's the pregnant Mom's that don't know
their status and they contract herpes during the last trimester that have
the most trouble. At least that is what I have always been told.
http://yoshi2me.com/herpes/pregnancy.html

> - but in this day & age I would imagine that's very rare.  Not
> sure if they do c-sections of if expectant moms are put on antivirals
> - either way as long as babies are healthy that's all the matters (is
> that what the eyedrops given to newborns are for? I forget it's been
> so long since I had one!)

No, that is not what the eye drops given to newborns are for. And no, not
all pregnant Moms with herpes have to have c-sections either.

> It is also my understanding that the complications of HSV1, while
> rare, are actually much more severe.  Encephalitis comes to mind - not
> sure of others off the top of my head.  Does the virus ever actually
> travel "the wrong way" from the basal ganglia - do I have my ganglia
> right?

I have no idea what you are talking about. Do you think that you have
herpes? If so, have you had herpes testing done that confirmed this? What
did your doctor tell you?

> One of the sites on the web, purporting to educate people, suggests
> the virus can be transmitted by mutual masturbation.  While I suppose
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> see about this virus on the largest free dating site in the world -
> even if it means I never get another date! lmao

What does herpes dating have to do with this?
http://yoshi2me.com/herpes-dating.html
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 09 Mar 2007 02:27 GMT
>nice man I had connected with last summer who researched so much about
>HSV wound up dropping out of sight for reasons unknown - in case
>anybody remembers - or cares! lol

I remember. Sorry to hear that. On the other hand, that just leaves
you open to possibly meeting a nicer man  ;-)

>I have decided to start a sexual health thread in the Forums on
>plentyoffish.com after being told by another member that those of us
>with HSV should only date one another!

Good for you.  I've never heard of plentyoffish.com but good for you
anyway.

>There are a whole lot of laws
>against saying only [insert oppressed minority here] should date
>amongst themselves but I guess the cold sore lobby doesn't have much
>of a voice - yet?

Laws??  Can't think of one offhand. Unless you consider "political
correctness" a sort of unwritten law. Problem is, there are lots of
peeps in the world who are still totally ignorant on the subject of
herpes. (Joy Behar on the "View" for example) and manage to say some
pretty stupid things.

>seems like I
>had an outbreak every time I said the word "herpes" out loud; when I
>started to refer to it as "tropical cold sores" the outbreaks became
>less frequent)

Ha! We've talked about this one before. Now it's YOUR turn to remember
lol!  (hint: Message-ID: <1qafk15064ifjrfp79d4peu209kepnfkdu@4ax.com>

>I lost my copy of one of the best books about herpes - by a Canadian
>doctor in B.C.

Bet it was "The Truth about Herpes" by Dr Stephen Sacks.  He was
excellent. The Herpes world lost a great researcher when he died.

>about how rare it is to
>have asymptomatic viral shedding years & years after the initial
>outbreak.  As I recall the risk goes down pretty much exponentially

That's true for many people. Not for every individual though.

>but you'd never know that if you listen to those [expletive deleted]
>ads for Valtrex!

You're still put off by those guys??  What'd you think of my reply
when we talked about this last time (another hint: Subject -  Drug
company is at it again! 6/27/06)

>Does the virus ever actually
>travel "the wrong way" from the basal ganglia - do I have my ganglia
>right?

Trigeminal for oral herp and Sacral for genital.
Not sure what you mean by "wrong way".  Once an infection is
established, there's only one way that I know of, and that's out of
the ganglia and up a nerve to the skin.

>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let me know what information you would like to
>see about this virus on the largest free dating site in the world -
>even if it means I never get another date! lmao

I don't know what the largest free dating site in the world IS.  I
know about Match.com though (definitely NOT free). If it's anything
like that, it'd be nice to have some accurate information presented in
such a way as to not scare the crap outta people.

M2
Tim Fitzmaurice - 09 Mar 2007 08:30 GMT
>> Does the virus ever actually
>> travel "the wrong way" from the basal ganglia - do I have my ganglia
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> established, there's only one way that I know of, and that's out of
> the ganglia and up a nerve to the skin.

The ganglion is a bundle just outside the spinal cord and it connects that
way. Assuming that what is meant by going the wrong way, then tes the
virus does appear to go that way...the rate at which you find it having
gone the wrong way increases with age of the individual tested for one
thing - it appears to go the 'wrong' way a more than it causes
problems having gone there IIRC.

Tim
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M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 09 Mar 2007 10:32 GMT
On Thu, 8 Mar 07, M2slo2cht wrote:
>> Not sure what you mean by "wrong way".

>The ganglion is a bundle just outside the spinal cord and it connects that
>way. Assuming that what is meant by going the wrong way, then tes the
>virus does appear to go that way

oh! THAT way?!?!

> it appears to go the 'wrong' way a more than it causes
>problems having gone there IIRC.

aha... so basically, it just gets lost and confused (I know how it
feels)   ;-)

M2
 
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