Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / September 2006
partners of those with herpes
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Robert McDonald - 15 Sep 2006 13:12 GMT Is there research indicating that the transmission rate to uninfected partners will be decreased when the uninfected partner takes an antiviral? If anyone has a reference, it would be appreciated.
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Yoshi2me - 15 Sep 2006 16:43 GMT Actually, I don't believe there is any truth to that at all.
Angela
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> Is there research indicating that the transmission rate to uninfected > partners will be decreased when the uninfected partner takes an antiviral? > If anyone has a reference, it would be appreciated. > > B Robert McDonald - 15 Sep 2006 21:40 GMT Why not?
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> Actually, I don't believe there is any truth to that at all. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> B Yoshi2me - 17 Sep 2006 16:33 GMT First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral for something that they do not have? Research has proven that people with herpes that take the antiviral can reduces their partner's chances of contracting it.. not the other way around.
Angela
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> Why not? > > B Robert McDonald - 18 Sep 2006 16:32 GMT > First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral > for something that they do not have? They don't "have to" take it and I didn't mean to ask whether they "had to."
All of us take many vacinations and don't "have to." My understanding is that taking it renders the taker more resistant to contracting it, thus resulting in the desire but not necessity of taking it. I am trying to verify that. The person who told me this is an M.D.
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> Research has proven that people with herpes that take the antiviral can > reduces their partner's chances of contracting it.. not the other way [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> >> B grant - 18 Sep 2006 17:12 GMT To be honest with you, Robert, if it were true, I think the makers of Valtrex would be advertising that method as a way to protect your partner.
I'm not sure how the antiviral technically works, but it somehow keeps the virus from replicating. That would do nothing towards keeping the virus from getting into your body in the first place.
This would not be the first time a doctor was misinformed.
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>> First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral >> for something that they do not have? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> B Eric - 19 Sep 2006 16:13 GMT > To be honest with you, Robert, if it were true, I think the makers of > Valtrex would be advertising that method as a way to protect your partner. True, they probably would, LOL
> I'm not sure how the antiviral technically works, but it somehow keeps the > virus from replicating. That would do nothing towards keeping the virus > from getting into your body in the first place. Yes, valtrex interferes with viral replication. Furthermore, as I mentioned earlier, once you get infected, herpes pretty quickly sets up latency. Perhaps being on valtrex would help stifle this a little, but the main issue is (and should be) preventing exposure in the first place by supressing ob's, cutting shedding, etc.
> This would not be the first time a doctor was misinformed. I don't know whether I'd go that far. Lots of times it just confused due to terminology, perhaps there was some confusion if the doc said that it is taken prophylactically. Most drugs that are taken prophylactically are taken by the vulnerable person, whereas valtrex is taken by the source partner.
~Eric
Tim Fitzmaurice - 20 Sep 2006 13:20 GMT > First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral > for something that they do not have? Presumably an attempt at prophylaxis - it is the basis for malaria therapy for instance.
Whether it would work or not is a different matter.
The virus life cycle is to infect and then become biologically active by replicating itself - and its only at that point that the drug would interact. Antibiotics tend to actively destroy or prevent growth of an independant entity leaving it vulnerable to immune clearance. The antiviral drugs for HSV are usually there to interrupt replication which is a fair way down the cycle.
Of the licensed compounds its really only Abreva that goes faster by interfering with viral attachment - but even assuming it worked (which Im fairly sure hasnt been looked at and published widely) we are talking lots of smearing and hideous cost!!!. There are some experimental dendrimers that could do the same thing, and allthe microbicides that are being tested as well. Its in the area of some kind of topical microbicide/antiviral that we will see a protective formula of some kind. In some respects the current condom microbicides do the job to an extent.
Back to the mainstream antivirals and whether they would be useable. Ive not seen any human data on it, and the human data for antiviral use by the infected partner being helpful is relatively new in terms of the timescale of this sort of trial.
Ive seen mouse model work looking at early treatment just after infection and the effects on latency do vary quite heavily with the drug involved - and that might be reflected in the expectations of what prophylactic antivirals might or might not do...
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Eric - 16 Sep 2006 16:33 GMT Actually, this is interesting. Taking valtrex as a uninfected person certainly would offer a protective effect, but I doubt it would be nearly as effective as the source partner taking it prophylactically since after exposure HSV moves pretty fast to the nervous tissue to establish latency.
> Is there research indicating that the transmission rate to uninfected > partners will be decreased when the uninfected partner takes an antiviral? > If anyone has a reference, it would be appreciated. > > B Yoshi2me - 17 Sep 2006 16:35 GMT How can Valtrex offer protection to the uninfected from something that they don't even have? That's like taking Tylenol when you don't have a head-ache. Why would you do that?
Angela
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> Actually, this is interesting. Taking valtrex as a uninfected person > certainly would offer a protective effect, but I doubt it would be [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> B Eric - 18 Sep 2006 15:07 GMT Well perhaps that's the wrong way of looking at it. For instance, if you think you have been or possibly could be exposed to anthrax, they start you on prophylactic antibiotics. The antivirals would be taken just to help further minimize the risk, but as I pointed out, I doubt whether it would be nearly as effective as for the source partner taking the antivirals because a herpes infection quickly sets up latency in the infected person. I honestly haven't read much about this topic, so if anyone has anything on it, please share!
~Eric
> How can Valtrex offer protection to the uninfected from something that they > don't even have? That's like taking Tylenol when you don't have a head-ache. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >> > >> B Yoshi2me - 19 Sep 2006 15:46 GMT Taking a herpes antiviral medication is not going to keep you from contracting herpes.
Even on the Valtrex commercials they state that it is still possible to spread herpes even with antiviral usage.
This is why I don't see the benefit of a non-infected partner taking Valtrex.
Save the meds for people that actually have herpes.
I will see what I can dig up for you guys to actually read for yourselves.
Angela :)
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Yoshi2me - 19 Sep 2006 15:55 GMT This is what I found on GO ASK ALICE of Columbia University: http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2492.html
Dear Alice,
I am a gay man, and my on-again, off-again boyfriend has genital herpes on his anus. He currently takes Valtrex to manage his symptoms (his outbreaks occur about once or twice a year). I love him and want to continue our relationship, but I also want to protect myself. Would taking Valtrex (or some other viral suppressing drug) reduce the chances of transmitting the disease to me?
Dear Reader,
Valtrex (valcyclovir) is an anti-viral drug approved for treating initial genital herpes, recurrent genital herpes, and chronic suppressive treatment of recurrent genital herpes. In clearer terms, the drug is used to manage symptoms in individuals with herpes. Recently, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the use of Valtrex to prevent transmission of herpes to an uninfected partner.
It's unclear if your question is whether you yourself should take Valtrex to reduce the risk of transmission. Valtrex is approved for use only by individuals with genital herpes. There is no indication that it has any efficacy as a preventative medication, so the uninfected partner should not take it.
Your partner's use of Valtrex can, most likely, reduce the risk of transmitting herpes to you. There are, however, a few caveats. The FDA approved Valtrex in August 2003 for reducing the risk of heterosexual transmission from an individual with genital herpes to an uninfected partner in combination with safer sex behaviors. This includes using a condom and not having sex during an outbreak when both partners have healthy immune systems. While Valtrex can be used by someone with genital herpes for the management of symptoms, the studies that led to the approval of the drug for transmission risk reduction were conducted only with monogamous, immunocompetant, heterosexual couples. More studies would be necessary, according to the majority of the approval committee, to determine the drug's usefulness against cases of homosexual transmission or in individuals with compromised immunity. You may want to encourage your boyfriend to talk with his health care provider about Valtrex's benefits in reducing transmission risk.
It's important to remember that Valtrex reduces, but does not eliminate, the risk of transmission. An important part of risk reduction with herpes is choosing when to have sex, what kind of sex to have, and using condoms. Other suggestions to reduce the chances that your boyfriend will transmit herpes are explored in some of the Related Q&As below.
Hope this helps,
Angela :)
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Eric - 19 Sep 2006 16:17 GMT Angela,
I have a question for you--HOW would you tell (or would you even tell) potential partners about coldsores? Would you tell before kissing the person? I've asked others this but I never asked you. Be specific here--don't just say that you would tell, that doesn't help me.
Thanks,
~Eric
Yoshi2me - 19 Sep 2006 18:11 GMT I'll see if I can put something together for you Eric.
Be patient with me, ok?
Angela :)
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> Angela, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ~Eric Robert McDonald - 20 Sep 2006 14:46 GMT I found the following in: http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic504.htm
High-dose valacyclovir, penciclovir, famciclovir, and acyclovir have been used for CMV prophylaxis in patients who have received organ transplants. The results have been mixed, depending on the transplant population.
> Well perhaps that's the wrong way of looking at it. For instance, if > you think you have been or possibly could be exposed to anthrax, they [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> >> >> >> B
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