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Robert McDonald - 15 Sep 2006 13:12 GMT
Is there research indicating that the transmission rate to uninfected
partners will be decreased when the uninfected partner takes an antiviral?
If anyone has a reference, it would be appreciated.

B
Yoshi2me - 15 Sep 2006 16:43 GMT
Actually, I don't believe there is any truth to that at all.

Angela

http://yoshi2me.com

> Is there research indicating that the transmission rate to uninfected
> partners will be decreased when the uninfected partner takes an antiviral?
> If anyone has a reference, it would be appreciated.
>
> B
Robert McDonald - 15 Sep 2006 21:40 GMT
Why not?

B

> Actually, I don't believe there is any truth to that at all.
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Yoshi2me - 17 Sep 2006 16:33 GMT
First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral
for something that they do not have? Research has proven that people with
herpes that take the antiviral can reduces their partner's chances of
contracting it.. not the other way around.

Angela

http://yoshi2me.com

> Why not?
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> B
Robert McDonald - 18 Sep 2006 16:32 GMT
> First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral
> for something that they do not have?

They don't "have to" take it and I didn't mean to ask whether they "had to."

All of us take many vacinations and don't "have to." My understanding is
that taking it renders the taker more resistant to contracting it, thus
resulting in the desire but not necessity of taking it. I am trying to
verify that. The person who told me this is an M.D.

B

> Research has proven that people with herpes that take the antiviral can
> reduces their partner's chances of contracting it.. not the other way
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grant - 18 Sep 2006 17:12 GMT
To be honest with you, Robert, if it were true, I think the makers of
Valtrex would be advertising that method as a way to protect your partner.

I'm not sure how the antiviral technically works, but it somehow keeps the
virus from replicating.  That would do nothing towards keeping the virus
from getting into your body in the first place.

This would not be the first time a doctor was misinformed.

ar

>> First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral
>> for something that they do not have?
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Eric - 19 Sep 2006 16:13 GMT
> To be honest with you, Robert, if it were true, I think the makers of
> Valtrex would be advertising that method as a way to protect your partner.

True, they probably would, LOL

> I'm not sure how the antiviral technically works, but it somehow keeps the
> virus from replicating.  That would do nothing towards keeping the virus
> from getting into your body in the first place.

Yes, valtrex interferes with viral replication. Furthermore, as I
mentioned earlier, once you get infected, herpes pretty quickly sets up
latency. Perhaps being on valtrex would help stifle this a little, but
the main issue is (and should be) preventing exposure in the first
place by supressing ob's, cutting shedding, etc.

> This would not be the first time a doctor was misinformed.

I don't know whether I'd go that far. Lots of times it just confused
due to terminology, perhaps there was some confusion if the doc said
that it is taken prophylactically. Most drugs that are taken
prophylactically are taken by the vulnerable person, whereas valtrex is
taken by the source partner.

~Eric
Tim Fitzmaurice - 20 Sep 2006 13:20 GMT
> First of all, why should the uninfected partner have to take an antiviral
> for something that they do not have?

Presumably an attempt at prophylaxis - it is the basis for malaria
therapy for instance.

Whether it would work or not is a different matter.

The virus life cycle is to infect and then become biologically active by
replicating itself - and its only at that point that the drug would
interact. Antibiotics tend to actively destroy or prevent growth of an
independant entity leaving it vulnerable to immune clearance. The
antiviral drugs for HSV are usually there to interrupt replication which
is a fair way down the cycle.

Of the licensed compounds its really only Abreva that goes faster by
interfering with viral attachment - but even assuming it worked (which Im
fairly sure hasnt been looked at and published widely) we are talking lots
of smearing and hideous cost!!!. There are some experimental dendrimers
that could do the same thing, and allthe microbicides that are being
tested as well. Its in the area of some kind of topical
microbicide/antiviral that we will see a protective formula of some kind.
In some respects the current condom microbicides do the job to an extent.

Back to the mainstream antivirals and whether they would be useable. Ive
not seen any human data on it, and the human data for antiviral use by the
infected partner being helpful is relatively new in terms of the timescale
of this sort of trial.

Ive seen mouse model work looking at early treatment just after infection
and the effects on latency do vary quite heavily with the drug involved -
and that might be reflected in the expectations of what prophylactic
antivirals might or might not do...

Tim
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Eric - 16 Sep 2006 16:33 GMT
Actually, this is interesting. Taking valtrex as a uninfected person
certainly would offer a protective effect, but I doubt it would be
nearly as effective as the source partner taking it prophylactically
since after exposure HSV moves pretty fast to the nervous tissue to
establish latency.

> Is there research indicating that the transmission rate to uninfected
> partners will be decreased when the uninfected partner takes an antiviral?
> If anyone has a reference, it would be appreciated.
>
> B
Yoshi2me - 17 Sep 2006 16:35 GMT
How can Valtrex offer protection to the uninfected from something that they
don't even have? That's like taking Tylenol when you don't have a head-ache.
Why would you do that?

Angela

http://yoshi2me.com

> Actually, this is interesting. Taking valtrex as a uninfected person
> certainly would offer a protective effect, but I doubt it would be
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Eric - 18 Sep 2006 15:07 GMT
Well perhaps that's the wrong way of looking at it. For instance, if
you think you have been or possibly could be exposed to anthrax, they
start you on prophylactic antibiotics.  The antivirals would be taken
just to help further minimize the risk, but as I pointed out, I doubt
whether it would be nearly as effective as for the source partner
taking the antivirals because a herpes infection quickly sets up
latency in the infected person. I honestly haven't read much about this
topic, so if anyone has anything on it, please share!

~Eric

> How can Valtrex offer protection to the uninfected from something that they
> don't even have? That's like taking Tylenol when you don't have a head-ache.
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Yoshi2me - 19 Sep 2006 15:46 GMT
Taking a herpes antiviral medication is not going to keep you from
contracting herpes.

Even on the Valtrex commercials they state that it is still possible to
spread herpes even with antiviral usage.

This is why I don't see the benefit of a non-infected partner taking
Valtrex.

Save the meds for people that actually have herpes.

I will see what I can dig up for you guys to actually read for yourselves.

Angela :)

http://yoshi2me.com
Yoshi2me - 19 Sep 2006 15:55 GMT
This is what I found on GO ASK ALICE of Columbia University:
http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/2492.html

Dear Alice,

I am a gay man, and my on-again, off-again boyfriend has genital herpes on
his anus. He currently takes Valtrex to manage his symptoms (his outbreaks
occur about once or twice a year). I love him and want to continue our
relationship, but I also want to protect myself. Would taking Valtrex (or
some other viral suppressing drug) reduce the chances of transmitting the
disease to me?

Dear Reader,

Valtrex (valcyclovir) is an anti-viral drug approved for treating initial
genital herpes, recurrent genital herpes, and chronic suppressive treatment
of recurrent genital herpes. In clearer terms, the drug is used to manage
symptoms in individuals with herpes. Recently, the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) approved the use of Valtrex to prevent transmission of
herpes to an uninfected partner.

It's unclear if your question is whether you yourself should take Valtrex to
reduce the risk of transmission. Valtrex is approved for use only by
individuals with genital herpes. There is no indication that it has any
efficacy as a preventative medication, so the uninfected partner should not
take it.

Your partner's use of Valtrex can, most likely, reduce the risk of
transmitting herpes to you. There are, however, a few caveats. The FDA
approved Valtrex in August 2003 for reducing the risk of heterosexual
transmission from an individual with genital herpes to an uninfected partner
in combination with safer sex behaviors. This includes using a condom and
not having sex during an outbreak when both partners have healthy immune
systems. While Valtrex can be used by someone with genital herpes for the
management of symptoms, the studies that led to the approval of the drug for
transmission risk reduction were conducted only with monogamous,
immunocompetant, heterosexual couples. More studies would be necessary,
according to the majority of the approval committee, to determine the drug's
usefulness against cases of homosexual transmission or in individuals with
compromised immunity. You may want to encourage your boyfriend to talk with
his health care provider about Valtrex's benefits in reducing transmission
risk.

It's important to remember that Valtrex reduces, but does not eliminate, the
risk of transmission. An important part of risk reduction with herpes is
choosing when to have sex, what kind of sex to have, and using condoms.
Other suggestions to reduce the chances that your boyfriend will transmit
herpes are explored in some of the Related Q&As below.

Hope this helps,

Angela :)

http://yoshi2me.com
Eric - 19 Sep 2006 16:17 GMT
Angela,

 I have a question for you--HOW would you tell (or would you even
tell) potential partners about coldsores? Would you tell before kissing
the person? I've asked others this but I never asked you. Be specific
here--don't just say that you would tell, that doesn't help me.

Thanks,

~Eric
Yoshi2me - 19 Sep 2006 18:11 GMT
I'll see if I can put something together for you Eric.

Be patient with me, ok?

Angela :)

http://yoshi2me.com

> Angela,
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Robert McDonald - 20 Sep 2006 14:46 GMT
I found the following in: http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic504.htm

High-dose valacyclovir, penciclovir, famciclovir, and acyclovir have been
used for CMV prophylaxis in patients who have received organ transplants.
The results have been mixed, depending on the transplant population.

> Well perhaps that's the wrong way of looking at it. For instance, if
> you think you have been or possibly could be exposed to anthrax, they
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