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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / August 2006Quick Observation
Alternatives and Prescriptions I think people need to keep an open mind and consider all their options when trying to find out what works best for them. Everybody is different and the virus does different things to different people. I can tell you from experience that extremism on both sides of the coin is not going to work if you're not open to seeing people as the individuals that they are. Communicating a point is one thing but to be completely nasty about it is another. Take choraphor for example My friend Gayla uses Valtrex to treat her outbreaks but for some reason it takes a day or two for the stuff to kick in. So she uses Choraphor to treat her discomfort while she is waiting for her Valtrex to kick in. Is Choraphor a clinically proven alternative to treat herpes - probably not. Does it work for my friend Gayla? She likes to think it does and why not? Every time she uses it her discomfort goes away within a matter of hours. I think she said it stings a bit at first but it really seems to help her get through her outbreak. I don't have a problem with that and nobody else should either. If somebody wants to whip up a home made all natural substance to treat their outbreak and it works for them then so be it - it's their deal. Take Valtrex as the flip side of this discussion Nobody "needs" to take or treat their outbreaks with anything unless they want to. What did people do about herpes before technology came along? I'm sure they rode it out - right? I take Valtrex because I can't take being in even the slightest bit of pain. I'm a woos and can't handle it. So I take Valtrex because it's what works for me. It doesn't work for everybody though I would never presume to say that it does. Is it clinically proven to reduce asymptomatic shedding? Is it clinically proven to reduce the frequency and intensity of outbreaks? Is it clinically proven to reduce transmission by half? Sure it is and I think that's great. But, not everybody is in a situation where they would need to be on suppressive therapy. Not everybody is in the same amount of pain or discomfort with their outbreaks. Not everybody is pregnant looking to prevent an outbreak during labor and delivery. Each person knows what they need to do for their own comfort in dealing with this virus. There is no need to be condescending or hateful when trying to make a point. Ar has always been open to both alternatives as well as prescriptions. She's also always been open and honest about her own experiences with her herpes. She happens to be one of those people that doesn't "need" to take clinically proven, expensive prescription medications for "her" herpes virus. Is she bashing prescriptions when she states the obvious? No, she does not. She simply shares what she knows about herpes and what she has gone through which is all that we can expect from each of us. What's the bottom line here? Just be nice Eric. If you can't be nice - don't post. That's my quick observation, Angela  Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ > Alternatives and Prescriptions > > I think people need to keep an open mind and consider all their options when > trying to find out what works best for them. Everybody is different and the > virus does different things to different people. I agree. I am a big fan of legitimate altternative treatments and natural medicine. > I can tell you from experience that extremism on both sides of the coin is > not going to work if you're not open to seeing people as the individuals > that they are. Communicating a point is one thing but to be completely nasty > about it is another. Nobody is being nasty here. We are all free to express our own opinions about different treatments. > Take choraphor for example Yes, take choraphor for example. You know that wonderful stuff which is marketed as "guaranteed to stop the virus" which you have advertised all over your site. I was just googled this stuff at http://www.herpesdoctor.com/node/204 for anyone interested. Or Dermisil is even better, that stuff says it "eliminates" the herpes virus. Hmmm..LOL > My friend Gayla uses Valtrex to treat her outbreaks but for some reason it > takes a day or two for the stuff to kick in. So she uses Choraphor to treat > her discomfort while she is waiting for her Valtrex to kick in. More power to her. I would never touch the stuff, and we're we just talking about pharmaceutical company advertising? How about telling people their herpes will be "eliminated"? > Is Choraphor a clinically proven alternative to treat herpes - probably not. > Does it work for my friend Gayla? She likes to think it does and why not? > Every time she uses it her discomfort goes away within a matter of hours. I > think she said it stings a bit at first but it really seems to help her get > through her outbreak. I don't have a problem with that and nobody else > should either. Like I said, more power to her. > If somebody wants to whip up a home made all natural substance to treat > their outbreak and it works for them then so be it - it's their deal. If it works for them, no big deal. If they start selling it to other people, it starts to become shady. And when you have a guy who is picking God-knows-what and "slow boiling it clay pots dug out of the ground, like his grandparents did", the bullshit becomes chokingly thick. > Take Valtrex as the flip side of this discussion > > Nobody "needs" to take or treat their outbreaks with anything unless they > want to. What did people do about herpes before technology came along? I'm > sure they rode it out - right? Ok, tell the mom who's pregnant and thinks she might being having an ob that she doesn't need Valtrex. Tell the person with herpes of the eye that they don't need it. Valtrex can save vision and lives, period. Before Valtrex and acyclovir came along, neonatal herpes was extremely risky and not much could be done about it. And if you got herpes in the eye, you most likely went blind from it. People "rode it out" alright. > I take Valtrex because I can't take being in even the slightest bit of pain. > I'm a woos and can't handle it. So I take Valtrex because it's what works [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > make a point. Ar has always been open to both alternatives as well as > prescriptions. Whoa there. Ar isn't even open to statistics and facts. > She's also always been open and honest about her own > experiences with her herpes. She happens to be one of those people that > doesn't "need" to take clinically proven, expensive prescription medications > for "her" herpes virus. Is she bashing prescriptions when she states the > obvious? No, she does not. I'm glad she doesn't need prescriptions. And I'm glad for anyone who doesn't have symptoms severe enough to warrant antivirals. > She simply shares what she knows about herpes and > what she has gone through which is all that we can expect from each of us. And I share what I know about herpes, especially facts and statistics. We're all here to help out.. > What's the bottom line here? The bottom line is don't dare question non-FDA approved, "organic" compounds which claim to do things like "eliminate" herpes, right? Companies who make this stuff are allowed to advertise ridiculously, but companies like Merck are terrible for their marketing...that seems to be what you and Ar are clearly saying. Can you imagine if someone actually believed that choraphor or any of the other ones like it actually could "eliminate" the virus from their body and then went around acting like they were cured? > Just be nice Eric. If you can't be nice - don't post. Just be consistent, Angela. If you are so quick to attack pharmceutical companies for their spending of money on marketing their own medications, you can't give claims of "elimination" or "stopping the virus" a free pass, I don't care how much they pay you to advertise on your sites. > That's my quick observation, Now you have mine too, > Angela ~Eric > Whoa there. Ar isn't even open to statistics and facts. Excuse me? > > Whoa there. Ar isn't even open to statistics and facts. > > Excuse me? You fight me tooth and nail for telling people statistics and facts gleaned from clinical research. You say how much you hate statistics. I'm not saying this in a rude way, you just have expressed to me that you don't care for statistics, that's all. ~Eric I don't care for them either Eric. The only time I like stats is when they are used as guidelines. If somebody told me that my experience wasn't real because that's not what the stats say then I would be pissed off too. You just don't get it Eric. Angela >> > Whoa there. Ar isn't even open to statistics and facts. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ~Eric >> > Whoa there. Ar isn't even open to statistics and facts. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm not saying this in a rude way, you just have expressed to me that > you don't care for statistics, that's all. Reread what you wrote above, Eric. You said I am not open to facts. Not a good move on your part. ar I know Ar... I read that and laughed my butt off. lol :) It just goes to show you that Eric is a tad bit wet behind the ears when it comes to us. He thinks he knows.. but he doesn't really know. *Hugsz* Angela :) Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ >> Whoa there. Ar isn't even open to statistics and facts. > > Excuse me? > I know Ar... I read that and laughed my butt off. lol :) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Angela :) I don't have time to psychoanalyze either of you, I have to figure out what is up with my lip. LOL Honestly, it's silly that we're even arguing over this. I respect your opinions, as much as you both confuse me..LOL ~Eric >I know Ar... I read that and laughed my butt off. lol :) > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Angela :) You're right, Angela. I shouldn't get upset. By the way, saw a new doctor today who says the conventional treatments I've been given are not right. Going to do some alternative thinking. ar Is this new doctor trying to help you with the hypothyroid? I go next week to have my levels drawn again. I don't remember which part I've updated you on but the last time I was checked I had dropped all the way down to a 5.2 Going from 84.3 down to a 5.2 has been scary and interesting all at the same time. I think God I had the courage to ask you about it. Angela :) >>I know Ar... I read that and laughed my butt off. lol :) >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ar > Is this new doctor trying to help you with the hypothyroid? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Angela :) Angela! That's fabulous news!! You are improving so quickly. But going down the scale that fast is bound to cause some problems. :) Remember to be gentle with yourself. And I'm so glad you are so far on your road to recovery. Yes, he's going to help with my thyroid. He said all the right things as far as how most doctors misinterpret the tests, etc. He also acknowledged my fears with the hypermobility. Being undermedicated weakens my connective tissue and muscles and that causes more trouble for my hypermobility. He understands I'm more concerned about that than I am about osteoporosis from being overmedicated. Since my endo lowered my dose in May, I've injured both my feet, both shoulders and my neck. I'm a mess. ar > Angela! That's fabulous news!! You are improving so quickly. But going > down the scale that fast is bound to cause some problems. :) It does cause a lot of problems for me. I can tell when I'm not myself. > Remember to be gentle with yourself. And I'm so glad you are so far on > your road to recovery. I'm just hoping for the best. I know it's going to be a long journey because I have to deal with this disease for the rest of my life. That part sucks but at least I know that things can and could be worse. > Yes, he's going to help with my thyroid. He said all the right things as > far as how most doctors misinterpret the tests, etc. They sure do! Would you believe that I got into it with the nurse that drew my blood the last time? She tried to tell me that my doctor didn't want to see me for another month. I told her that my doctor insisted that I come every two weeks until we get a handle on it. Once we get a handle on it from there is when she drops it down to monthly until we get the next level under control. Besides, who does she think she is? She wasn't there when I had that discussion with my doc.. ya know? I wanted to tell her to mind her own friggin' biz and just take my blood already but I held my tongue. :) > He also acknowledged my fears with the hypermobility. Being > undermedicated weakens my connective tissue and muscles and that causes > more trouble for my hypermobility. It sucks.. doesn't it? I am having trouble with my feet. I think I told you about that one already though.. They do feel better though. I just wish I could go bare-foot more like I used to. > He understands I'm more concerned about that than I am about osteoporosis > from being overmedicated. Since my endo lowered my dose in May, I've > injured both my feet, both shoulders and my neck. I'm a mess. Keep me posted. We can be a mess together. *Hugsz* Angela :) Oh yeah, my feet have been awful. They've been so injured I haven't been able to exercise. I've been in the pool a few days a week but even that hurts. Some nurses should keep their mouths shut. :) But I've met others who were more knowledgeable than the doctor! :) > Keep me posted. We can be a mess together. It's a deal! ar Ok ~ here we go but not for long. Don't get your feelings hurt if I start to ignore your posts. :) >> Alternatives and Prescriptions >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I agree. I am a big fan of legitimate altternative treatments and > natural medicine. Yes, but if somebody wants to pee on their foot to see if it will make that wart on their big toe go away then that's their ball of wax. They are entitled to try whatever it is they want to try as long as it's not going to hurt them. Hopefully people are doing their homework before-hand. When I was a teen I used to dab a little bit of Noxzema on my face every time I got one of those zits that really hurt (I think they are called boils). Anyway, I would go to bed with it dabbed and the next morning it didn't hurt and was almost gone. For me.. the Noxzema was a great alternative and it helped take my pain away. Was it FDA approved to be used as a boil treatment - probably not. Will other teens that try Noxzema for their zits have the same success that I did when I was a teen - probably not. Haven't you ever heard of home-made recipes vs the brands that are sold at the grocery store? If somebody wants to try something it's up to them - wouldn't you agree? >> I can tell you from experience that extremism on both sides of the coin >> is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Nobody is being nasty here. We are all free to express our own opinions > about different treatments. Sure thing ~ but in the earlier threads while I was away you got pretty mean about it. Oh well ~ we just don't look at it the same way so I'll just agree to disagree with you on this one Eric. >> Take choraphor for example > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > is even better, that stuff says it "eliminates" the herpes virus. > Hmmm..LOL Not all sites market the same way. Usually people can tell that if a site claims to zap the virus from your body for good that something is probably up. I know for a fact that the choraphor ads that I have on my site are not from the link that you have provided. Also ~ I don't stand beside all ads on my site. As you know I have the google adsnese banner on my site and do not have any control over what is displayed on that. Google adsense is how I recover my out-of-pocket expensives so that I can keep my site free. It pays for my domain, it pays for hosting, it pays for the graphics, etc. It's nice to be able to have these things provided for me and especially since nobody compensates me to help others. I'm a volunteer. I do it because I want to. I do it because I see the need for it. Back to the subject - usually if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. Each person as a right to try it if they want to. >> My friend Gayla uses Valtrex to treat her outbreaks but for some reason >> it [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > talking about pharmaceutical company advertising? How about telling > people their herpes will be "eliminated"? Why are you so resentful that Gayla's use of Choraphor works for her? She knows that there is no way to eliminate the virus for good. Everybody should do their homework. But just because one site markets it under a false pretense doesn't mean that all the sites that sell choraphor do. >> Is Choraphor a clinically proven alternative to treat herpes - probably >> not. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Like I said, more power to her. Yup ~ more power to her! :) >> If somebody wants to whip up a home made all natural substance to treat >> their outbreak and it works for them then so be it - it's their deal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ground, like his grandparents did", the bullshit becomes chokingly > thick. So what? Maybe there are people that like to try home-made treatments. Don't you like to eat at home or do you prefer to go out to eat? It's all about preference. It's not my cup-of-tea but I'm not going to bash somebody for trying it. Now if it turns out that somebody has wasted their hard-earned cash on something that didn't work for them - than at least they got to find out if it worked or not. Besides... most people can smell a line of bull from a mile away. They don't need you bashing the poor guy to show them that he just might be a snake-oil-salesman. Do you see what I'm saying here? >> Take Valtrex as the flip side of this discussion >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > risky and not much could be done about it. And if you got herpes in the > eye, you most likely went blind from it. People "rode it out" alright. Did you read what I wrote or did you just chew up what I wrote and spit it out? I do believe I stated correctly that not everybody's situation warrants "needing" to be on Valtrex. duh!? >> I take Valtrex because I can't take being in even the slightest bit of >> pain. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Whoa there. Ar isn't even open to statistics and facts. Statistics are flawed Eric. You can't stuff everybody into a box. Statistics are ok to use as a guideline as long as people realize that not everybody is going to fit the statistical mold. Even the best doctor in the world knows this one. >> She's also always been open and honest about her own >> experiences with her herpes. She happens to be one of those people that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'm glad she doesn't need prescriptions. And I'm glad for anyone who > doesn't have symptoms severe enough to warrant antivirals. Me too! :) >> She simply shares what she knows about herpes and >> what she has gone through which is all that we can expect from each of >> us. > > And I share what I know about herpes, especially facts and statistics. > We're all here to help out.. First of all ~ you will be a much more credible advocate when you learn to share your own experiences with herpes instead of trying to tell other people that their experiences don't make sense because it doesn't fit your statistical mold. This is where you need to change Eric. Stats are only guidelines.. they are not to use to twist somebody's question around or to make yourself feel better. If you are trying to help people to make yourself feel better than perhaps it's time to seek counseling. You need to get a handle on this before you attempt to doctor people for real. >> What's the bottom line here? > > The bottom line is don't dare question non-FDA approved, "organic" > compounds which claim to do things like "eliminate" herpes, right? You are trying to make an extreme point here that hasn't come into play at all. You are changing the subject and talking around yourself once again. Everybody has a right to question both alternatives as well as prescriptions. > Companies who make this stuff are allowed to advertise ridiculously, > but companies like Merck are terrible for their marketing...that seems > to be what you and Ar are clearly saying. No Eric.. that is not what we are saying. You are being extreme here.. everybody has a right to market their product in a way that is truthful to their public. If peeing on your foot takes away your wart on your big toe then that is something worth marketing. > Can you imagine if someone > actually believed that choraphor or any of the other ones like it > actually could "eliminate" the virus from their body and then went > around acting like they were cured? Eric Eric Eric ~ again you are changing the subject here. Nobody ever stated that was correct. But, if Gayla uses choraphor and it works for her why should you bash choraphor? Everybody knows there is no way to wipe out the virus completely from your body and I don't believe that me OR AR ever stated that it was possible. >> Just be nice Eric. If you can't be nice - don't post. > > Just be consistent, Angela. You are telling ME to be CONSISTENT? Now THAT's calling the kettle black! lol That's the funniest thing I think I've ever seen you write. lol :) > If you are so quick to attack pharmceutical > companies for their spending of money on marketing their own > medications, you can't give claims of "elimination" or "stopping the > virus" a free pass, I don't care how much they pay you to advertise on > your sites. Who said I was against pharmaceuticals advertising their product? >> That's my quick observation, > > Now you have mine too, LMAO whatever you say Eric. lol :) Angela Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ Angela, I don't need an argument right now. I need advice on what to do with my lip..ok? ~Eric You need to see your doctor. Nobody can diagnose you over the internet. Have your doctor take a look at the sore on your lip. Perhaps he will be able to run tests so you can find out if you really do have oral herpes or not. Good luck, Angela PS If you don't need an argument then quit starting them. Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ > Angela, > > I don't need an argument right now. I need advice on what to do with my > lip..ok? > > ~Eric > You need to see your doctor. Nobody can diagnose you over the internet. Have > your doctor take a look at the sore on your lip. Perhaps he will be able to > run tests so you can find out if you really do have oral herpes or not. How about some advice and help, not a diagnosis..LOL. I think your view of me would change totally if I were to tell you that I was diagnosed with oral herpes. > Good luck, > > Angela > > PS If you don't need an argument then quit starting them. However it got started, it's ended now. ~Eric When were you diagnosed with oral herpes and what tests were run to determine that you do indeed have oral herpes? I about fell out of my chair when I saw that you actually typed on your computer that you have oral herpes. Now THAT is progress! Angela Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ >> You need to see your doctor. Nobody can diagnose you over the internet. >> Have [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ~Eric > Angela, > > I don't need an argument right now. I need advice on what to do with my > lip..ok? > > ~Eric You should be feeling pretty good about the sore on your lip, Eric. Isn't it something like 90% of people have HSV-1? What's there to do? You're more normal now than you were before. ar > You should be feeling pretty good about the sore on your lip, Eric. Isn't > it something like 90% of people have HSV-1? What's there to do? You're > more normal now than you were before. Don't be an idiot. Yeah, I feel just peachy about it. I've known I've had hsv-1 all along. You also know I've honestly been trying to help everyone on here too as best as I know how to. So you can help me figure this out, or you can keep perpetuating a stupid argument..got it? ~Eric And that goes for Angela, too. It doesn't matter how bad you think statistics are or how bad I am at helping people. You know I've been here doing everything I know to help people's fears and pain. And that means so much more than you give me credit for.. ~Eric Stop fighting us Eric. Be as helpful as you can be but don't bash us in the process. Angela > And that goes for Angela, too. It doesn't matter how bad you think > statistics are or how bad I am at helping people. You know I've been > here doing everything I know to help people's fears and pain. And that > means so much more than you give me credit for.. > > ~Eric > And that goes for Angela, too. It doesn't matter how bad you think > statistics are or how bad I am at helping people. You know I've been > here doing everything I know to help people's fears and pain. And that > means so much more than you give me credit for.. > > ~Eric And when someone tries to make you an even better helper, you don't want to hear it. ar > And that goes for Angela, too. It doesn't matter how bad you think > statistics are or how bad I am at helping people. You know I've been > here doing everything I know to help people's fears and pain. And that > means so much more than you give me credit for.. > > ~Eric Which is why we hope to make you an even better advocate. ar Eric ~ You had it coming to you so don't be all bend out of shape if Ar decided to use your own words against you. As for your oral herpes outbreak - what would you like to do? Would you like to ride it out? Would you like to take a clinically proven herpes antiviral? Would you like to try an OTC alternative? The choice is yours. However, if you decide to try a prescription medication that might mean having to have your doc call in the prescription. Didn't you once say that you would never ever do that? Angela >> You should be feeling pretty good about the sore on your lip, Eric. >> Isn't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ~Eric > Eric ~ > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Angela Very nice and compassionate--just say you had it coming right when my lip is all screwed up. I would like to know what it is. If it's still around tomorrow maybe I can get an appt asap to get it checked out. I have no fear of having my doc give me any prescription. I already bought Abreva a while ago and my brother saw it though and freaked out..he said how awful cold sores are and how I'm never ever to share any utensils or towels with him. So you think that only genital herpes carries a stigma? I don't think so. Did you ever stop to think that maybe I rely on stats because I feel like I have to constantly prove to people that having hsv-1 doesn't make me a bad person? Ever think that maybe I use statistics and facts so much because they helped me tell people that I'm not a horrible person because I have a herpes virus? ~Eric Having herpes doesn't make us horrible people Eric. You don't need stats to remind you of that. You hold the keys to your own happiness. You don't need others to validate you. You are a worthy human being and if you're brother wants to be an a.s to you then don't spend too much time with him. Surround yourself with people that could care less what you have and appreciate you for YOU. You already know this.. stop feeling sorry for yourself, k? When are you going to the doctor? Angela >> Eric ~ >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > ~Eric > Having herpes doesn't make us horrible people Eric. You don't need stats to > remind you of that. You hold the keys to your own happiness. You don't need [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > for YOU. You already know this.. stop feeling sorry for yourself, k? When > are you going to the doctor? I'm going to the doctor as soon as I can tomorrow. I just hope it stays around long enough for him to see it.. :-( ~Eric If it doesn't stay around long enough for your doctor to see it then talk to the doctor about what you should do or try the next time you find yourself in this situation. So you've actually had the doctor culture your coldsores in the past to determine that they were indeed oral herpes? Then talk to your doctor about some sort of herpes treatment you can use to treat them when they do pop up. (If that is the route you are wanting to take) What will you do? Angela >> Having herpes doesn't make us horrible people Eric. You don't need stats >> to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > ~Eric > I'm going to the doctor as soon as I can tomorrow. I just hope it stays > around long enough for him to see it.. :-( > > ~Eric Excellent. That's the best thing you can do. ar > Excellent. That's the best thing you can do. > > ar Actually, it's sad, but you have no idea how much I am hoping that it is a cold sore. I don't know because I've never been in the situation, but I think it would be easier to explain to people..I don't know, maybe not. I know come morning it will have magically disappeared though :-( ~Eric What else do you think it might be? ar > Actually, it's sad, but you have no idea how much I am hoping that it > is a cold sore. I don't know because I've never been in the situation, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > ~Eric > Did you ever stop to think that maybe I rely on stats because I feel > like I have to constantly prove to people that having hsv-1 doesn't > make me a bad person? Ever think that maybe I use statistics and facts > so much because they helped me tell people that I'm not a horrible > person because I have a herpes virus? Anyone who thinks you are a horrible person isn't worth your time. That includes your brother. but as you see, the stats aren't helping you feel better about yourself. What you need is some compassion, right? That's what you said in another post. And that's what I've been trying to get across to you. ar >> You should be feeling pretty good about the sore on your lip, Eric. >> Isn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > figure this out, or you can keep perpetuating a stupid argument..got > it? What? You don't like your own advice? What exactly do you want me to say, Eric? I just told you what you tell others. If you think I'm an idiot, think again. ar >> You should be feeling pretty good about the sore on your lip, Eric. >> Isn't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ~Eric Got it, Eric? Your stats don't make anyone feel better when they need help. They aren't even helping you right now. ar |
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