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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / August 2006Eric
You said: " I say this because genital hsv-1 follows the distribution of 40% have 1 ob ever, 50% have 1-2 obs over 1-2 years and then nothing, and only around 10% have more than this, but it sounds highly unlikely that genital hsv-1 would recur with the frequency she is experiencing." Me talking--you did follow-up with a note about being tested. But the above had already done its damage. Because John then said: "Meaning it *probably* is hsv-2 then? Is the frequency of outbreaks she has normal for people who have hsv-2?" Your reliance on statistics confused the matter instead of clarifying it. You said: "Typically, people with hsv-2 experience many more outbreaks, especially in their first year of infection, than do people with hsv-1. I have hsv-1 (positive by blood test) and I'm not even sure where it is!" Me talking--though your statistics may show this is 'typical' it doesn't mean anything for the person who is not typical. And this is where I'm trying to get you to think a bit. There is always the possibility that this girl now feels even more isolated because she probably has type 1 and her herpes are atypical. When, the real fact is that her herpes is not atypical. People with HSV-1 can have just as awful outbreaks as people with HSV-2. This is where I said hogwash, I believe. Your statement above does absolutely nothing to help console someone who is suffering. Your statement above also shows an even bigger divide between the two types when I thought you were interested in putting the type-bigottry away. But Eric just keeps on going: " Of course there are people living with type-2 who have never had an outbreak ever. But the statistics drawn up by medical and clinical researchers have found that 40% never get another ob after their initial, 50% get 1-2 over the next 1-2 years and then nothing, while 10% get any more ob's than the other 2 categories." Me talking--How does this make the person who is an individual feel? Al is in that 10% and there are a lot more people out there who are as well. Again, treating people as individuals is a good way to go. You also said: "John, when all is said and done, if you gave her hsv-1, take comfort in knowing that there really is essentially nothing that can be done to prevent the transmission of this virus, and make sure she knows that having hsv-1 makes her more "normal" than those w/o the virus. This is evident by the up to 90% rate of prevalence. In fact, it is very much controversial as to whether people with hsv-1 even have to tell anyone about it because the virus is so common. In terms of stigma, I don't care what other people have to say, hsv-1 can't hold a candle to hsv-2, and while that's truly unfortunate, it is true." Me talking--Oh, this is where I said hogwash. Yes, there is something that could have been done to prevent the transmission of the virus and you just gave false information. And telling someone who is in pain that she's more "normal" now is insulting. Followed up with your total crap about not telling someone they have HSV-1 because this girl's suffering means nothing, apparently. And then you go on to insult type 1s everywhere by saying that type 1 can't hold a candle to type 2. Basically, telling this girl, well, too bad. Sorry you are experiencing the worst thing in your life, but that's too bad, type 2s have it far worse. And you follow it up by saying it's true. So, you come to this group complaining about Angela and turn around to do exactly what you said you wouldn't do. Great job, Eric. Makes you very trustworthy in my eyes. Ha. Me talking--and then you go on to use ACTUAL WORDS to explain yourself and they sound a whole lot better than numbers which, actually, don't say what you think they are saying. ar > You said: > " I say this because genital hsv-1 follows the distribution of 40% have [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Me talking--you did follow-up with a note about being tested. But the above > had already done its damage. Because John then said: What damage? Saying something is usual or unusual? How is that damage? And you're right, I did follow up with a note about testing because getting a type-specific test or culture is where it's at. > Your reliance on statistics confused the matter instead of clarifying it. Maybe, maybe not. The only really clarifying thing would be a blood test of a culture, certainly nothing you or I could say in terms of what she has. > You said: > "Typically, people with hsv-2 experience many more outbreaks, especially [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > above also shows an even bigger divide between the two types when I thought > you were interested in putting the type-bigottry away. Wrong again. Even to the people who are atypical, they can use the statistics and facts to get an idea of what the future holds in terms of ob's and shedding as well as the potential for spreading the virus. There is always the possibility that any fact that is said could be taken the wrong way. But telling people that they have something which the majority of people have is doing everything possible to minimize the risk of isolation, and that's what I want you to think about. Right now, you don't know enough facts to say whether her herpes is atypical or not, you are speculating. Look, I don't know how to explain this to you, other than to say that there is a difference between viruses. Society says "good virus, bad virus" (ever read the article entitled that?). In rare cases, do people with hsv-1 have frequent symptoms, yes. But you cannot change the facts that more people have type-1, more people are acquainted with the virus and are fearful and view the virus as being even somewhat acceptable because of it's common nature. I hate this fact, because it is so unfair to the hsv-2 crowd. As unfortunate as it is, it's true, and the only thing we can do about it is try to educate people about what hsv-1 and hsv-2 really are. > But Eric just keeps on going: > " Of course there are people living with type-2 who have never had an [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > in that 10% and there are a lot more people out there who are as well. > Again, treating people as individuals is a good way to go. It makes an individual person feel like they are part of a larger community of people w/ H, many of whom have differing symptoms. It allows people to have an idea what they can expect. > You also said: > "John, when all is said and done, if you gave her hsv-1, take comfort in [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > around to do exactly what you said you wouldn't do. Great job, Eric. > Makes you very trustworthy in my eyes. Ha. Really? There is surprisingly very little that can be done to prevent the transmission of hsv-1 as indicated by it's stable majority prevalance. No, telling someone who is in pain and feeling alone and isolated that they aren't and that they are actually in the majority is assuaging their fears. I never said anything about not telling anyone, I said hsv-1 disclosure is controversial, period. No, don't take my words out of context--I said IN TERMS OF STIGMA, hsv-1 can't hold a candle to hsv-2, and then I added IN MY OPINION. I already addressed you concerns about the gap between hsv-1 and hsv-2. Maybe you should read the article I mentioned. > Me talking--and then you go on to use ACTUAL WORDS to explain yourself and > they sound a whole lot better than numbers which, actually, don't say what > you think they are saying. Ok, so when I use words to tell someone "you are not alone" I'm good in your eyes, but when I say "you're in the up to 90% of people" I'm bad? This makes no sense at all. Don't you think it's a little self-centered to tell me I shouldn't be using statistics because you don't like them, meanwhile they may help others a great deal? When I was diagnosed, I needed facts and statistics so that I knew what I was facing. They helped me so much. Just because you don't like them, don't forget we are trying to help others. And they help some people so much... ~Eric Eric, You continue to amaze me with how dense you are when it comes to understanding humans. You can have an entire yahoo group go against you and have similar discussions on this group, yet you still can't understand that you need to do some changing. I read Good Virus Bad Virus about, what, 10 years ago or so? I've been at this a long time. >> Me talking--and then you go on to use ACTUAL WORDS to explain yourself >> and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > helped me so much. Just because you don't like them, don't forget we > are trying to help others. And they help some people so much... What I'm trying to explain to you is that statistics only prove what one person is trying to say. They can be detrimental to someone else. Statistics can point out how abnormal someone really is. By using words, you can actually offer some support. Yes, we are trying to help others and I think your statistics don't. ar > Eric, > > You continue to amaze me with how dense you are when it comes to > understanding humans. You can have an entire yahoo group go against you and > have similar discussions on this group, yet you still can't understand that > you need to do some changing. Grant, I'm going to pretend that you didn't just tell me I was dense. I know you're a good person and you aren't going to use personal attacks like that, even though we are misunderstanding each other's attempts to help. I argued with several members in a yahoo group over telling or not, and after coming here and talking with a great friend, telling is no longer even an issue for me. In my mind it's the right thing to do, period. > I read Good Virus Bad Virus about, what, 10 years ago or so? I've been at > this a long time. I know you've been at this for a long time. And I really do respect your differing opinions and methods. Honestly, I just can't see why you cannot respect mine. You know I'm here to help folks. Even though I look at things differently, our goals are the same. > What I'm trying to explain to you is that statistics only prove what one > person is trying to say. They can be detrimental to someone else. > Statistics can point out how abnormal someone really is. By using words, > you can actually offer some support. Yes, we are trying to help others and > I think your statistics don't. I wish you would have said this many messages ago :-) No, unbiased and peer-reviewed statistics show things the way they TEND to be. Statistics are not judgemental or out to prove anything, not out to make people feel bad or anything like that. Don't read into them too far. People are extremely diverse, and you're going to have short people, tall people. People with blue eyes, brown eyes, green eyes, etc. People of all skin colors. People who have oral herpes and never had an outbreak ever, and people with oral herpes who have very frequent ob's. People with genital herpes who have never had an outbreak, and people with genital herpes who have very frequent ob's. This is the diversity of life, and people who say that people who get frequent oral outbreak's are "abnormal" are just as silly as saying people who have green eyes are abnormal. I understand that nobody wants to feel "abnormal". That's why I push so hard to tell everyone the extremely high prevalance of hsv-1, to stifle the notion of isolation or abnormality. And I do use words to reassure people and help them, and I will continue to try to help people in every way I can.. ~Eric >> Eric, >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > like that, even though we are misunderstanding each other's attempts to > help. It's not a misunderstanding Eric. Do you see how you always manage to talk around the issues? You correspond with us as if we are idiots. Ar saying that you are dense is not a personal attack. Although I'm sure you would like to make it seem as though she is attacking you because that's the only way you can defend your actions. Let's be clear - just stick to the point and stop twisting the discussion around. Your double talk doesn't impress anybody and you are not fooling anybody. I've read through most of these threads and am in awe that you continue to do the same things that you did within Picking Up the Pieces over on this alt.support.herpes newsgroup. People are beginning to understand a little more clearly what the problem is here - as Ar mentioned you do need to do some changing. Why did you attempt to re-join Picking Up the Pieces? Did you think that the other moderators would welcome you with open arms after what you did to make people over there feel as though they didn't know what they are talking about? Picking Up the Pieces has been around since about 1996 and the regulars (moderators) over there have been around for a very long time. We know what we're talking about and we don't need you coming back in to stir things back up. > I argued with several members in a yahoo group over telling or > not, and after coming here and talking with a great friend, telling is > no longer even an issue for me. In my mind it's the right thing to do, > period. Are you still upset about this? Was it that hard to realize that talking about stds before sex is the right thing to do? I'm glad you realized it finally but was it worth all the headaches that you put everybody through? >> I read Good Virus Bad Virus about, what, 10 years ago or so? I've been >> at >> this a long time. Ar ~ That article is sooo old it's not even worth reading any more. Sure it's got a good concept to help people understand how things work but the stats are out-dated and the percentages are so off you need a chisle to scrap off the dust. > I know you've been at this for a long time. And I really do respect > your differing opinions and methods. Honestly, I just can't see why you > cannot respect mine. You know I'm here to help folks. Even though I > look at things differently, our goals are the same. This is where your double talk comes in. You say one thing and then in the same paragraph you contradict yourself. There is no comparison between you and Ar and you Eric don't seem to be as open-minded as you would like us to think. It can't be your way or the high way and it's not up to you to own everybody elses experiences. >> What I'm trying to explain to you is that statistics only prove what one >> person is trying to say. They can be detrimental to someone else. >> Statistics can point out how abnormal someone really is. By using words, >> you can actually offer some support. Yes, we are trying to help others >> and >> I think your statistics don't. Ar is right and what she just said here is a big reason why I'm NOT a fan of statistics. Stats try and put people into categories and that's fine as long as everybody realizes that there is always going to be a few individuals that don't fall into the norm. > I wish you would have said this many messages ago :-) > No, unbiased and peer-reviewed statistics show things the way they TEND [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > frequent oral outbreak's are "abnormal" are just as silly as saying > people who have green eyes are abnormal. I'm assuming that this is what Ar has stated... it's so true. You can't stuff everybody into a box and say this is how it has to be because this is how I view life. It's not right. If this is something that Eric has stated then here is one more contradiction he's playing out. > I understand that nobody wants to feel "abnormal". That's why I push so > hard to tell everyone the extremely high prevalance of hsv-1, to stifle > the notion of isolation or abnormality. Yes, but you use statistics as a license to be justified in wrong-thinking. I've seen you do that so many times throughout your history on the boards Eric. You are insecure about yourself and your own status so you try and focus on somebody elses journey. Why is that? Why can't you own your own experience and leave it as that? Have you decided if you are going to find out what your status is yet or are you too afraid of what the doctors will say when they find out that you may have herpes? Is it THAT big of a deal in the medical community for up and coming healthcare professionals to feel this badly when life happens? How are you going to care for others if you can't even care for yourself? How are you going to help your patients emotionally if you are busy trying to sweep things under the rug by using statistics? You can't put people into categories or you might miss something when they come to you for a diagnosis. > And I do use words to reassure > people and help them, and I will continue to try to help people in > every way I can.. ::: sigh ::: Perhaps it's time to help yourself first? Angela  Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ > It's not a misunderstanding Eric. Do you see how you always manage to talk > around the issues? You correspond with us as if we are idiots. Ar saying [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > over there have been around for a very long time. We know what we're talking > about and we don't need you coming back in to stir things back up. You're not idiots. You just cannot respect anything I say, and that's too bad. Your double talk statement is meaningless..what or where have I done this? I'm in awe of how really close-minded you are. It's so sad. If anyone present a point or data or anything that isn't consistent with your agenda, you attack and undermine. I attempted to rejoin PUPS because I am 99% sure that the red area on the vermilion border (right where the lip joins the kin of the face) is a cold sore. You have also told us in the past that everything was fine and that you would let me rejoin. > Are you still upset about this? Was it that hard to realize that talking > about stds before sex is the right thing to do? I'm glad you realized it > finally but was it worth all the headaches that you put everybody through? I'm not upset about this at all. I'll happily tell people that I get coldsores, no sweat! > Ar ~ That article is sooo old it's not even worth reading any more. Sure > it's got a good concept to help people understand how things work but the > stats are out-dated and the percentages are so off you need a chisle to > scrap off the dust. It's old, but it makes a point about society's treatment of each virus and the difference in stigma. > This is where your double talk comes in. You say one thing and then in the > same paragraph you contradict yourself. There is no comparison between you > and Ar and you Eric don't seem to be as open-minded as you would like us to > think. It can't be your way or the high way and it's not up to you to own > everybody elses experiences. This is where your schizophrenia comes in. Your right, there is no comparison between Ar and me. Right now it looks like my virus is probably located in a different spot. Did you really say "my way or the highway"? LOL LOL..OMG, too funny. You epitomize this phrase, and it's not funny or cute, it's sad. > Ar is right and what she just said here is a big reason why I'm NOT a fan of > statistics. Stats try and put people into categories and that's fine as long > as everybody realizes that there is always going to be a few individuals > that don't fall into the norm. No, people put people into categories and attach stigmas and all that. Stats just show reality. > I'm assuming that this is what Ar has stated... it's so true. You can't > stuff everybody into a box and say this is how it has to be because this is > how I view life. It's not right. If this is something that Eric has stated > then here is one more contradiction he's playing out. Stuffing people into a box? LOL. How is saying that up to 90% of people have HSV-, which is the 100% truth, a contradiction? Can I please have some of your drugs? LOL > Yes, but you use statistics as a license to be justified in wrong-thinking. What? I guess telling people they aren't alone but are in the majority is wrong-thinking, you know right when they are feeling so isolated and alone *rolls eyes* > I've seen you do that so many times throughout your history on the boards > Eric. You are insecure about yourself and your own status so you try and > focus on somebody elses journey. Why is that? Hmm..maybe because I want to help the person? > Why can't you own your own > experience and leave it as that? Have you decided if you are going to find > out what your status is yet or are you too afraid of what the doctors will > say when they find out that you may have herpes? Is it THAT big of a deal in > the medical community for up and coming healthcare professionals to feel > this badly when life happens? If doctors and people in the medical community can't accept herpes then nobody can. > How are you going to care for others if you > can't even care for yourself? How are you going to help your patients > emotionally if you are busy trying to sweep things under the rug by using > statistics? Yep, now telling people that up to 90% of the population becomes "sweeping things under the rug". >You can't put people into categories or you might miss something > when they come to you for a diagnosis. Actually, numbers and statistics are used extremely frequently in determining treatments and pronoses. > > And I do use words to reassure > > people and help them, and I will continue to try to help people in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Perhaps it's time to help yourself first? Perhaps it's time to look in the mirror and wask yourself what is so awful about statistics. Statistics show reality. Your fear and inability to accept statistics shows and inability to accept reality. Repeat after me, up to 90% of people have hsv-1..LOL. ~Eric Eric ~ Respect is something that you have to earn. You want to be respected? Then start fixing your own herpes situation and quit bashing ours. We are entitled to what has taken place in our lives and we don't need you coming along telling us that our life journey is incorrect because it doesn't fit your stats. You believe we are close minded and we believe you are close minded. So what!? And as for PUP - I did say that everything would be ok and that if you could be good you could re-join. Unfortunately for you there are other moderators that don't want to take that chance because of how disruptive you were before. I will always choose the side of a moderator over that of a trouble-maker. You have set yourself up as somebody that is troublesome to the point that nobody wants to put up with your condescending attitudes towards them. So yeah ~ it was decided you would not be returning. Of course that's not to say that you couldn't rejoin under a fictitious name. If you decide to re-join that way there's no stopping you. Go for it. But please realize that we usually boot all the trouble-makers regardless of their handle. Once again.. I never said that statistics were bad as long as you realize that not everybody fits into those statistical molds. Good luck Eric, Angela :) Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ >> It's not a misunderstanding Eric. Do you see how you always manage to >> talk [quoted text clipped - 141 lines] > > ~Eric I do care about both your and grant's herpes situations. I don't care about PUPS. I just want some quick advice on my lip, that's the only reason I wanted to rejoin. ~Eric > Eric ~ > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Angela :) > I do care about both your and grant's herpes situations. I don't care > about PUPS. I just want some quick advice on my lip, that's the only > reason I wanted to rejoin. > > ~Eric And we care about you, Eric. If we didn't, we wouldn't waste so much our time going around in circles with you. But I have no idea what advice you want on your lip. You already know the routine. ar > I do care about both your and grant's herpes situations. I don't care > about PUPS. I just want some quick advice on my lip, that's the only > reason I wanted to rejoin. Hello Eric, I get cold sore like symptoms all the time, such as tingling and burning on the top lip for the most part. I don't get much in the way of cold sores except some red areas. I wouldnt worry about it too much. I don't give my cold sores much thought. I knew that Angela had taken away your PUP membership, but I thought you were back there already. Maybe I saw someone else posting that looked like you. Statistics are good in some ways for getting a general idea of things, but not in other ways. For example, when I first started questioning my herpes symptoms, I talked to a doctor at a clinic. He looked at the red bumps on my inner thighs near my groin and said "Thats not herpes, because herpes looks like clusters of oozing blisters" Then I got tested found out I had it after all, and it came back many many times and always in the same general area and always looked like red bumps. The thing is that statistics say that herpes is clusters of blisters, but it may not be that. It could be a rash, it could be red swollen areas, or red bumps. I don't have the normal outbreak, more the abnormal...red bumps that feel raw to the touch, but thats because I'm my own person. everyone is different. Al Al, Yeah, I have a red area which is doing exactly what yours is. Where do you get them, mine is right where the lip joins the skin of my face, so it looks like my lip extends upwards a bit a little off-center to the right. :-( It's just annoying, that's all. Every now and then it will itch and I don't want to touch it so that gets cute..LOL. Also, I get tingling out into my cheek which is just weird. If I look at it in really good light, like sunlight, it looks like mainly one little area, the skin actually looks kinda clear, possibly another smaller red area next to it on my lip also, but it's hard to tell. You're right, I guess I shouldn't worry about it too much. No, I don't know what Angela is doing. She's frighteningly schizo sometimes, she told me to come back to the group, and then she asked me why I tried to come back when I wanted to ask some quick questions about my lip. I said "because you told me I can come back and I needed some questions answered quick". Whatever. She's very capricious. No, Al, I agree with you on that. Like I said earlier, statistics say how things tend to be, that's all. ~Eric > Hello Eric, > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Al Eric ~ You are such a pain-in-the-a.s! And then you have the nerve to wonder why the rest of the gals don't want you back over there. If you must know... it wasn't my decision not to allow you back into the group. It was another moderator's call and I support her decision 150%. It's very clear based on what you have written below that you are nothing but a trouble-maker. I don't feel sorry for you any more. Angela Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ > No, I don't know what Angela is doing. She's frighteningly schizo > sometimes, she told me to come back to the group, and then she asked me > why I tried to come back when I wanted to ask some quick questions > about my lip. I said "because you told me I can come back and I needed > some questions answered quick". Whatever. She's very capricious. > Eric ~ > > You are such a pain-in-the-a.s! I'm going to take the high ground and say how many times I disagree with you, but I always respect you. > And then you have the nerve to wonder why the rest of the gals don't want > you back over there. Angela, did you not hear me say, "I don't care about PUPS, I just needed questions answered quick"? I don't care why you don't want me there. It just might have something to do with your inability to entertain differing viewpoints or your total inability to respect people who have opinions which differ from yours. I figured you would treat someone emotionally devastated and confused with patience and tolerance. I figured wrong. > If you must know... it wasn't my decision not to allow you back into the > group. It was another moderator's call and I support her decision 150%. Let me make this clear. Angela doesn't support her moderators. If her moderators disagree with her she will call them a "pussy" and tell them to "get the f.ck out", just like she did to me. Talk about over the top. When her neighbors put a letter in her mailbox about the looks of her property, I bet she went around and put letters in all of their mailboxes that read "go f.ck yourself"..LOL. Seriously though, Angela, I want to see you better able to help people and you would be so much better if you had any amount of tolerance of their views. > It's very clear based on what you have written below that you are nothing > but a trouble-maker. It's very clear that you are unforgiving, unyielding, totally intolerant, and absolutely unable to take any modicum of criticism. > I don't feel sorry for you any more. Well maybe you should Angela. I can be tolerant and respectful of your views. All you are is intolerant and belittleling of anything I happen to disagree with you on. As a moderator of a support group, I had honestly expected you to be able to tolerant and patient with people just diagnosed with something as emotional and upsetting as herpes. I think you know how frustrated, confused, and devastated I was at PUPS and I can't for the life of me figure out why you can't look into your heart and see how torn it was when you first found out. I still think you're a good person, you just need to learn to be more tolerant and respectful, especially towards those people who really are "picking up the pieces".. ~Eric > I knew that Angela had taken away your PUP membership, but I thought > you were back there already. Maybe I saw someone else posting that > looked like you. Actually Al ~ I wish it were that simple. It wasn't something I decided to do on my own because I was angry at Eric. I don't take things that personally. :) As the owner/co-founder of Picking Up the Pieces I have an obligation to listen to what the group members want as well as the other moderators. I got quite a few e-mails from people asking me to get him out of there because he was upsetting so many people. Between the moderators that I work with and many of the regulars that contribute their time over there... I had no choice but to honor their wishes. And I don't blame anybody for having wanted Eric out of the group because he was awful to a lot of people, not just me. After that happened Eric expressed to me that he might want to try and come back to the group. At that time, I told him I didn't have a problem with that as long as he wasn't mean and condescending to others. I had no idea that the rest of the moderators felt so strongly that they did not want him back. Had I known how strongly they felt I would have never told Eric he could try again. But let's be real here Al. Eric is a big boy and he can do pretty much whatever he wants. If he really wanted to join PUP only to ask a question then he could have done so at any time under another screen name. No, I think Eric likes to fight and cause problems which is why he continues to talk about me as if I'm not going to read what he says. He's picked fights with so many people and from the looks of his latest posts I don't think he intends to slow down. It's time for everybody to grow up and just do the right thing. Angela Signature"By opening up to a partner and talking about an STD diagnosis you are showing that you respect and care about yourself as well as the other person." Herpes Help http://yoshi2me.com/index.html Shut Up & Post! http://yoshi2me.com/phpbb/index.php Herpes Blog http://herpes-help.blogspot.com/ > But let's be real here Al. Eric is a big boy and he can do pretty much > whatever he wants. If he really wanted to join PUP only to ask a question [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Angela Hi Angela, I know what you mean about fighting in news groups, its not a good thing at all. Especially since we are all in this one because we have herpes and we want to know how to deal with it and offer help to others. You're in your 36? I am 40, most people seem mature enough. I don't like fighting anyway. I am not sure how old Eric is though. Eric: As far as your question about the oral herpes, well mine is mainly a red area that extends from the top lip upward. Its almost always on the top lip. The tingling is usually in the top lip also and sometimes in the cheek or under the nose. It feels like an electrical burning twinge sensation, and sometimes a little itchy feeling. Sometimes it feels like repetative needle like pinches that burn a little also, like 4-5 in a row. Sometimes there is aching or throbbing in the lower lip too. The actual cold sores are minor in what they look like. the symptoms I get genitally are similar in terms of prodrome, but I get more noticible looking lesions in the genital area. Mine are 95% of the time on the left inner thigh near the groin. I dont know, i just never think that oral herpes is that bad. I have had oral, and genital herpes for 11 years and genital hpv. Al |
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