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Al - 11 Jul 2006 06:54 GMT
Hello,

I wanted to share another way to combat itching and soreness from an
outbreak. There is a cream designed for hemroids called Nupercainal and
its sold OTC at any pharmacy in the section with the hemroidal stuff.
Its got a small amount of 1% Dibucaine. I tried it because I am about
ready to climb the walls from this outbreak which is going on a week
and a half probably from the Prednisone I was taking. Strangely this
outbreak decided to come out between the buttocks and its itchy and raw
feeling as heck! My ex girlfriends gynocologist recommended this to her
(because my ex also had genital herpes). It seems to help a little but
not as good as the listerine in my book. The only problem with the
listerine is that it tends to wear off fast. I might try the tea tree
oil another time to see if that makes any difference.

If anyone has any other good anti itch and/or soreness remedies for an
outbreak please share, because right now I am not a happy camper and
this is my vacation of all times for this to happen.

Al
grant - 11 Jul 2006 11:31 GMT
I'm wondering if Benedryl cream would work?  It's for itching, isn't it?
However, I would suggest reading the package very carefully as I'm not sure
if women should use it vaginally.

ar

> Hello,
>
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>
> Al
Tim Fitzmaurice - 11 Jul 2006 12:54 GMT
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to share another way to combat itching and soreness from an
> outbreak. There is a cream designed for hemroids called Nupercainal and
> its sold OTC at any pharmacy in the section with the hemroidal stuff.
> Its got a small amount of 1% Dibucaine. I tried it because I am about

Well this has interesting observations with dibucaine and HSV....first
line says it all....

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=Abstra
ct&list_uids=2556981&query_hl=12&itool=pubmed_docsum


How much use it is in vivo I dont know but it seems interesting to wave at
yer doc and say 'well how about....'

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
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Al - 11 Jul 2006 14:18 GMT
> > Hello,
> >
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> How much use it is in vivo I dont know but it seems interesting to wave at
> yer doc and say 'well how about....'

Okay Tim, well I read the article, so my understanding is that
Dibucaine can cause a higher HSV viral population? That means it would
be worse in the long run. That could explain why my ex was having so
many outbreaks even though she had HSV1 genital. My mother told me to
use Cortisone cream and I let her know that wasnt a good idea! I will
go to CVS and see if the benedryl cream has any cortisone. I am
actually seeing my doctor today for bronchitis, so I'm going to ask
him.

Al
M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 11 Jul 2006 20:25 GMT
>Okay Tim, well I read the article, so my understanding is that
>Dibucaine can cause a higher HSV viral population? That means it would
>be worse in the long run.

This is what *I* read (first line):
"The infectivity of herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) was found to
be markedly reduced by treating virions with the tertiary amine local
anesthetics lidocaine, dibucaine and tetracaine"

.... sounds to me as if they're saying treatment with dibucaine might
be a good thing. At least it might cut down on transmission
(infectivity) risk.
.......................on the other hand, I've read stuff wrongly
before.

M2
Al - 12 Jul 2006 03:14 GMT
> This is what *I* read (first line):
> "The infectivity of herpes simplex virus type 1 (HSV-1) was found to
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>
> M2

Okay thanks. So I would assume that using benzocaine would work about
the same and not only lower the herpes virions and infectivity, but
also remove some of the bothersome itching and irritation. This has
been about the worst itching to date, but using this stuff I feel a
little better.

Al
Tim Fitzmaurice - 12 Jul 2006 07:51 GMT
>>> its sold OTC at any pharmacy in the section with the hemroidal stuff.
>>> Its got a small amount of 1% Dibucaine. I tried it because I am about
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Okay Tim, well I read the article, so my understanding is that
> Dibucaine can cause a higher HSV viral population?

I was flagging the first line of the abstract which dewcribes a marked
reduction in infectivity....

> use Cortisone cream and I let her know that wasnt a good idea! I will
> go to CVS and see if the benedryl cream has any cortisone. I am

Off the top of my head isnt it an allergy cream...that suggests an
antihistamine is likely to be the ingredient to me.

Tim
--
When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
ICQ: 5178568
Al - 12 Jul 2006 15:25 GMT
> > use Cortisone cream and I let her know that wasnt a good idea! I will
> > go to CVS and see if the benedryl cream has any cortisone. I am
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
> ICQ: 5178568

Yes benadryl is an antihistamine, and I think its more for heat rashes
and insect bites etc. I used the Zinc Oxide powder two days now and
noticed a good improvement in comfort. The area is not as itchy today,
but still pretty irritated, so maybe the outbreak is on its way
out...thank God!!!!

Al
grant - 11 Jul 2006 15:17 GMT
What I found interesting was the mention of alkaline PH.  As most of you
know, I'm a vegetarian raw foodist.  That means my diet is mostly alkaline.
Part of the raw food dogma is that disease grows only in an acidic body.
And by keeping your body alkaline, most disease will not be able to
thrive/survive.

Cool.

ar

>> Hello,
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> When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart
> ICQ: 5178568
Al - 11 Jul 2006 16:50 GMT
> What I found interesting was the mention of alkaline PH.  As most of you
> know, I'm a vegetarian raw foodist.  That means my diet is mostly alkaline.
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>
> ar

I do see where it says that PH and CA2 can make for light HSV
particles, but it also says that dibucaine can cause heavy particles so
I am thinking that would mean that if a person with herpes had eaten
yogurt which is high in calcium and had other foods causing a higher
PH, the herpes would reduce, and using anesthetics would increase the
herpes load?

I do tend to eat alot of yogurt, but I am not a vegetarian at all. I do
have alot of acidic foods and being italian and loving pasta and tomato
sauce that can't help.

I asked my doctor about remedies for genital and anal itching today. He
said I should try Cortizone cream, so apparently he is not in the
"know" about herpes. I knew for a fact I wasnt going to get that, so I
went to the store, looked at benadryl cream, and it looked like it
would be good for itching only. Then I went to the womans isle and
looked at something called Vagi-Gard, and this was for itching,
burning, irritation and pain in the vaginal area, so knowing that it
was not for yeast, it seemed almost like this was an OTC for herpes. I
bought it, and tried it and so far so good, and only $3.99! Its got 5%
benzocaine, 0.13% benzalkonium chloride (an alkali i think) and aloe
vera and vitamin E.

Al
grant - 11 Jul 2006 23:40 GMT
Hey Al,

Thanks for that info about the Vagi-Gard.  I've never heard of it.  But a
cheap remedy is always welcome.  Let us know how it continues to work for
you because I know it will be great information for new people who come in
looking for help.

And by the way, a lot of flavored yogurts aren't vegetarian because they
contain gelatin--and that ain't vegetarian.

ar

>> What I found interesting was the mention of alkaline PH.  As most of you
>> know, I'm a vegetarian raw foodist.  That means my diet is mostly
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>
> Al
Al - 12 Jul 2006 03:18 GMT
> Hey Al,
>
> Thanks for that info about the Vagi-Gard.  I've never heard of it.  But a
> cheap remedy is always welcome.  Let us know how it continues to work for
> you because I know it will be great information for new people who come in
> looking for help.

Sure.

> And by the way, a lot of flavored yogurts aren't vegetarian because they
> contain gelatin--and that ain't vegetarian.

I didnt know that it wasnt vegatarian, but I usually get all natural
ones like Lite and Lively, Danon and Yoplait. Strangely I always
thought that high alkalinity would cause a better chance of yeast
infections, but maybe I heard wrong.

Al :)
Al - 12 Jul 2006 05:51 GMT
Hi,

I also wanted to mention that there is a powder that I have called
Caldesene Zinc Oxide powder. Someone in this group recommended it to me
a long time ago. It works pretty well for the itching and keeps the
area dry, but doesnt seem to work as well on the irritation and
soreness. It has a cooling effect like the tea tree oil also. It might
be a thought for someone with alot of itching or irritation down there.
You can get it OTC at any pharmacy I would think.

Al
 
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