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Is it true that there is not always an initial reaction once someone is exposed to herpes?

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bghilliotti@hotmail.com - 17 May 2006 15:51 GMT
Is it true that there is not always an initial reaction once someone is
exposed to herpes?

Have there been cases of people getting exposed to the virus by using a
public toilet whose previous user was having an active outbreak and
left traces of the virus on the inside toilet bowl rim? If the stall
was closed, the virus may have been unexposed to light enough to
survive.

This is the only explanation that I have. My first outbreal was at 13,
way before I had my first sexual experience at 26 (protected) with a
hooker. Fortunately, I have had it only 2 times. It was the second time
that I learned what it was.
grant - 18 May 2006 02:01 GMT
Hi,

That's interesting.

Yes, it is possible to not have an primary outbreak--which is supposed to be
horrible.

How do you know a herpes outbreak is what you had when you were 13?

Have you ever had a cold sore on your mouth?

It would be very, very difficult to get herpes from a toilet seat.  The
conditions just aren't right for the virus to survive.

ar

> Is it true that there is not always an initial reaction once someone is
> exposed to herpes?
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> hooker. Fortunately, I have had it only 2 times. It was the second time
> that I learned what it was.
bghilliotti@hotmail.com - 18 May 2006 14:31 GMT
Had a cold sore? Not to my recollection. This does not mean that I may
have had one when I was very little. I'll say this much...I have not
had a cold sore since I was in grade school.

I first got a genital lesion at about 13, when I was in middle school.
It had an orangey puss like color to it and it grew to the size of
little less than a quater's diameter. There was no tingling, or a
general reddening of the penis skin before the outbreak...it just
happened. These symptoms may have occured when I was sleeping, but I
did not feel them. I did not know what it was, and I was too embarassed
to bring it up with my guardians, so I just kept washing and washing it
and it went away in about 2-3 weeks. I never brought the isssue up,
thinkinh that it was "healed", whatever it was. It left scars. I felt
no pain or burning.

In 1998, ten years later, it broke out in the the same scarred area.
This time there was the tingling and the general reddening of the
penis. Then the orangey puss lesion came back. I said "What the hell?"
and went to a doctor this time. He said you have Herpes 1 because,
according to his words "It tends to stay in the same area and spreads
slower." I was a little shocked to find out that I had herpes. I was
still a vigin then. I had no idea how I got it.

It took about 3 weeks to heal this time. There was no pain this time
either. The scar area grew. After the "main outbreak" there were
several mini outbreaks in the months ahead. By this time I had aot of
that cream stuff, and watching the area closely. As soon as I saw what
appeared to be a miniscule outbreak, I applied, so the scar area did
not get much bigger. They say the cream stuff does not work, (I forgot
it's name), but when I applied it is seemed to stop it in ist tracks.

During the mini outbreak period, I did feel some *very* slight burning,
esp in an area below the top portion of the penis head where it seemed
to breaking out. But I used the cream and stopped it in its tracks.
Then is went away and has not bothered me again.
bghilliotti@hotmail.com - 18 May 2006 14:40 GMT
I just want to add...

So it is possible for people to get it without a "primary outbreak" as
you call it, or an initial outbreak, as I call it.

What percentage of herpes cases are there (estimated) that do not have
a "primary outbreak"?

In this case, is it common for people to get the virus, not know they
have it because of no "primary outbreak", and spread it to other people
in their ignorance? And how many of these people also do not get a
primary outbreak and spread in a similiar fashion?

Tricky little bug. Perhaps it is "evolving". It seems to be aware of
the fact that if the host is aware of its prescence, it will take steps
to prevent it's spread. It needs to continuously spread from host to
host to surrvive in the long run.
grant - 18 May 2006 19:10 GMT
I don't know the percentage but when you consider how many people have
herpes and have no idea...the number must be pretty high.

Yes, you can easily spread it to others even though you don't know you have
it.  It reacts different with everyone and has no bearing on how mild or
severe the person's outbreaks who passed it on.

> Tricky little bug. Perhaps it is "evolving". It seems to be aware of
> the fact that if the host is aware of its prescence, it will take steps
> to prevent it's spread. It needs to continuously spread from host to
> host to surrvive in the long run.

Not sure what you are saying here.  It's not a bug, it's a virus.  Yes, it
could evolve.

ar
Angela S. - 18 May 2006 19:33 GMT
> So it is possible for people to get it without a "primary outbreak" as
> you call it, or an initial outbreak, as I call it.

It's possible for somebody to carry the virus for years and not know it
because they just don't get outbreaks that they can see or feel.

> What percentage of herpes cases are there (estimated) that do not have
> a "primary outbreak"?

I would imagine that we could go with the 90% of people that have genital
herpes and don't know it scenario.

> In this case, is it common for people to get the virus, not know they
> have it because of no "primary outbreak", and spread it to other people
> in their ignorance? And how many of these people also do not get a
> primary outbreak and spread in a similiar fashion?

#1 A person could have no signs or symptoms of an outbreak
#2 A person could have no recongnizable signs or symptoms of an outbreak
#3 A person may not know because herpes isn't included in routine std
testing and they just assume that it was

> Tricky little bug. Perhaps it is "evolving". It seems to be aware of
> the fact that if the host is aware of its prescence, it will take steps
> to prevent it's spread. It needs to continuously spread from host to
> host to surrvive in the long run.

Herpes transmission is pretty clear statistically as to what it is and what
it does and why. I don't necessarily agree with how you have described it
here.

Good luck,

Angela :)

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grant - 18 May 2006 19:07 GMT
I strongly suggest you have an actual herpes blood test done because the
symptoms you describe aren't necessarily related to herpes.

Herpes outbreaks tend not to last weeks.  They also tend to not have just
one sore.  They also tend not to scar.  And I'm not sure if a sore tends to
get that big.  And I don't believe herpes sores contain pus.  And your
doctor doesn't know what he's talking about.

Get a test done.

Herpes is spread through skin to skin contact.  If you have had no
intercourse, no oral sex, etc, then how would it get there?  Did you tell
your doctor this?  If you did not have oral herpes, then you couldn't have
accidently spread it to your genitals.

Have you had three outbreaks?  Or two?  In otherwords, did you have an
outbreak after talking to the doctor and after becoming sexually active?

ar

> Had a cold sore? Not to my recollection. This does not mean that I may
> have had one when I was very little. I'll say this much...I have not
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> to breaking out. But I used the cream and stopped it in its tracks.
> Then is went away and has not bothered me again.
Angela S. - 18 May 2006 19:34 GMT
>I strongly suggest you have an actual herpes blood test done because the
>symptoms you describe aren't necessarily related to herpes.

I totally agree with AR on this..

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http://www.yoshi2me.com/genital-herpes.html

Hope this helps,

Angela :)
Angela S. - 18 May 2006 19:29 GMT
So the doctor told you that you have genital herpes but did the doctor run
any follow-up testing to confirm his visual diagnosis?

Angela

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Angela S. - 18 May 2006 19:27 GMT
> Is it true that there is not always an initial reaction once someone is
> exposed to herpes?

90% of people that have genital herpes don't know that they have it. Is that
what you mean?

> Have there been cases of people getting exposed to the virus by using a
> public toilet whose previous user was having an active outbreak and
> left traces of the virus on the inside toilet bowl rim?

No, you can not contract herpes from a toilet seat.

> If the stall
> was closed, the virus may have been unexposed to light enough to
> survive.

That's not how that works..

> This is the only explanation that I have. My first outbreal was at 13,
> way before I had my first sexual experience at 26 (protected) with a
> hooker. Fortunately, I have had it only 2 times. It was the second time
> that I learned what it was.

So you are saying that you have genital herpes type-1 OR genital herpes
type-2? Which one do you have?

Angela

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