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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / March 2006Peanuts and Outbreaks
Hello, I know that peanuts are considered a high arginine food and I have always had problems with them, but I was wondering if anyone knows just how quickly eating foods high in arginine can trigger an outbreak? The reason is that yesterday I had eaten about 30 peanuts that I took out of the shells. Within about 30 minutes I was getting itching in my genital area only. Mind you I am not allergic to peanuts. I even had a couple of shooting pains there. A couple of hours later I noticed about 2 small blisters down there on the insides of the inner thighs. Now bear in mind that I had just had an outbreak which was going on for a week and a half of prodrome, blisters, then more prodrome and more blisters. Once I had eaten the peanuts the itching became very noticable. I am wondering if this was a coincidence or a triggered event? Can trigger foods cause an outbreak within 30 min to 2 hours from when they are eaten? I am just kind of curious. As far as the outbreak goes, well I think that was due to stress from a break up with my girlfriend, drinking too much coffee, stress from new procedures at work, not getting enough sleep and then the peanuts. Thanks, Al These are very important issues concerning herpes triggers. At my current understanding, the reason why after eating peanuts, or drinking coffee, some folk may develope herpes activity in their bodies in a very short period of time, is due to the hormonal change that is taking place following the consumption of such foods/liquids. Peanuts contain several estrogen compounds, and coffee consumption may increase the level of cortisol in our bodies. In a very short period of time, your nerves may get a signal due to the hormonal changes and thus, the viruses are becoming active. It's the only way I can imagine how such a quick trigger can take place in our bodies. I would recommend also to use peanuts just roasted, due to the mold risk- peanuts may contain mold. Perl von Molson > Hello, > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Thanks, > Al Okay, so you feel that it was the peanuts that caused the herpes trigger? Then I should assume that the itching was due to the herpes? The only reason I was wondering this is because I had intense itching right on the penis shaft skin and only there. Soon I had shooting and somewhat throbbing pains on the head of the penis. See most of my outbreaks are heavy on the prodrome, light on the blisters and bumps. I did have this herpes bump from hell which hurt like anything, but then it healed and was just kind of itchy. This was around the time that I had eaten the peanuts. I wsa just kinda curious about this. Thanks, Al > Okay, so you feel that it was the peanuts that caused the herpes > trigger? Then I should assume that the itching was due to the herpes? > The only reason I was wondering this is because I had intense itching > right on the penis shaft skin and only there. Soon I had shooting and > somewhat throbbing pains on the head of the penis. I don't know if peanuts have caused the trigger, but they have contributed to an increased herpes activity. Itching is due to herpes crawling on the nerves and exciting the nerves. The mechanism through which herpes its being triggered and how the viruses can increase their activity after the consumption of peanuts or other arginine rich foods or other similar triggers (caffeine) is not well understood. Perhaps, even the immune system has hormones incorporated in their immune cells; after the hormonal changes in our bodies are affecting the whole sympathetic nervous system, immune system, the herpes activity eventually is increasing due to these factors. A correlation of all of these is most likely in charge of it. I mean, think about it, in order to be digested, the peanuts need a few hours. If the Arginine alone would be the culprit, it would take a much longer time for the arginine to reach the skin cells that have incorporated herpes viruses, in conformity to the "asymptomatic shedding" theory. On the other hand, a much plausible theory would be that, the hormonal changes caused by such triggers would affect the nerves much faster, thus, the herpes activity is noticed in a more reasonable timely scale accepted. To give an example, in order to understand clearly what may be going on: When drinking coffee, your cortisol level is going up; the nervous system is excited, the immune system's hormonal components are affected, thus the trigger is made and the herpes activity is activated. Perl von Molson P.S. Al, have you tried any of my recommended methods, lately? Or due to the fact that you've taken some prescription drugs (Acyclovir), you don't want to bother with them? > See most of my outbreaks are heavy on the prodrome, light on the > blisters and bumps. I did have this herpes bump from hell which hurt [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Thanks, > Al I've never heard of peanuts causing outbreaks. My problem was when I was first diagnosed, my period brought on my outbreaks. Hello Shesand, Well Peanuts, caffeine as in coffee and chocolate are supposed to have a high ratio of arginine and this can increase herpes replication in some people. You will know that herpes is replicating because you will start to get prodrome and possibly an outbreak. Basically herpes is always ready to come out but the bodys immune system keeps it dormant and under control. When it becomes weak or when herpes has a way to replicate, it spreads and thus you get symptoms. I have already noticed that while coffee and chocolate can give me some increased symptoms, peanuts seem to put me into an outbreak. Also stress is another factor in increased replication in some people. Al Hey Perl, I haven't really tried any of your remedies, other than staying away from arginine foods which i cannot really help sometimes. I have used Valtrex and although it helps I didnt get the full benefit because I never took it for suppression, only for troublesome times. I really don't want to take something else if I can help it. I think I can live with herpes because my outbreaks are manageable now. I'm getting one a month now and they arent that severe at all, unless I am under stress. Al not unless you are alergic to peanuts and don't know it. outbreaks are not triggered by peanuts...it is when your immune system gets low. such as, sick, surgery, stress, etc. No I am not allergic. As a test yesterday I ate alot of peanuts again, about 30 that I took out of the shells. About 4 hours later I had aching and throbbing in the groin and then today some itching and tingling, but I was also under stress from my job and family, plus my girl and I are still in a drama situation and my mothers cat died, and I had consumed alot of caffeine, so who knows. I don't know if i am going to get an OB or just had some activity from the high argining levels and stress that made the herpes move around, but maybe nothing will happen from today on. The last time I got one pimple thing after the symptoms. Today so far nothing more than prodrome. I'll keep y'all posted. > No I am not allergic. As a test yesterday I ate alot of peanuts again, > about 30 that I took out of the shells. About 4 hours later I had [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > the symptoms. Today so far nothing more than prodrome. I'll keep y'all > posted. Al, I know exactly what you're talking about. Peanuts, and caffeine do seem to create such symptoms to some people, including myself. I, for one, would rather be dead than stop eating nuts and drink coffee ;O) so I know what you go through. In time, I got used to it and due to my methods I don't have any problems. It is really a big mistery and a huge frustration for people like you or me to have this arginine factor a causal factor for herpes activity. Aside from the fact that I or other have been dealt succesfully with the mentioned problems, the reason I can understand is causing herpes activity, the ingestion of such foods/drinks, is perhaps a hormonal/(cortisol, immune systems' components hormones, other hormones), or even the fact that these foods/drinks are "heavy" on the liver. Think about the fat in the nuts, or the chemicals in the coffee. Regardless of the skin's dryness, stress, other external factors (cold temperature exposures, UV rays, acidic foods, etc) the mentioned foods/drinks seem to have their own triggering capabilities over the viral activity in our bodies. As an additional measure, I add to my coffee sprinkled cardamom seeds to detoxify the coffee. Nuts must be chewed properly, don't rush when you eat them. A great question would be which adjuvant(helper) for these foods/drinks would help in their digestion? I do not have an answer for that. Probably when nuts are eaten as a dessert, after a meal, would be a better choice. I will have to have a look upon such an issue and maybe try to find some helper foods. Would't that be nice to find a helper food that do the job 100%? Do you want to know something? A while ago, maybe 2-3 years ago, I've tried to see whether after eating yogourt ( high lysine/arginine ratio) I can tollerate easier, eating nuts. My experiment showed my that it did not help at all, no matter how much yogurt I would've eaten. So, it's pretty tricky... Perl von Molson Well I also eat a yogurt once a day and I don't think it made any difference in getting or not getting herpes activity from peanuts and caffeine etc. Now two days later from the peanuts I have two tiny red bumps on the inner thigh right where the throbbing was 2 days ago, but they are just a little itchy. Maybe this was a tiny OB from the peanuts causing an influx in herpes activity? I am boggled by herpes. Al > Well I also eat a yogurt once a day and I don't think it made any > difference in getting or not getting herpes activity from peanuts and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Al That is a "chicken or the egg" type of issue. See Al, it would be easy to imagine that the peanuts are just helping the "boom" of the viral activity. The viral activity might have been there already, the viruses were active (that is out of the latent state, whichever this new state may be, viruses shedding on the skin/mucosa areas, on the neuron's inside surfaces, etc), but in a minimal active state, almost unnoticeable. What comparison shold I give to this situation? Imagine you are camping and have some hot coals (low level of viral activity) from last night's fire; pooring gas (peanuts) over them, the new fire will erupt suddenly. I don't know if that's the best example in your current situation with the peanuts, but I go with it anyway. Now consider that the camping fire will be used over and over again in that very fireplace during a whole season of camping by the campers. Those "happy campers" would not require to restart building a fire in an extinguished fire place, but rather go with the same pattern, as above. Imagine now the moment when the fire must be finally extinguished, with water (?). So you see, Al, you've needed the fire going, no matter what, isn't it, (that being equivalent with the viruses getting out of the latent state = the viruses must come out on the surface sooner or later) Once the viruses are exiting the latent state, nothing but their death can stop them from becoming symptomatically. Again, the fact that you've eaten peanuts and drank coffee is not the trigger but rather helpers into fastening the viral activity processes. Perl von Molson So more likely the day to day and other higher stress levels are the triggers, but the caffeine and peanuts are a catalyst to increase the activity a little more than what would normally be? I have been under alot of stress so that could be why I have higher than usual prodrome that recently happened, then again it could be just the reason that the outbreak occured and the peanuts/coffee just heightened it. BTW I didnt get anymore pimples, but I did have some additional aching in the lower back and hip area today so I am thinking there is still some activity going on. Al > So more likely the day to day and other higher stress levels are the > triggers, but the caffeine and peanuts are a catalyst to increase the > activity a little more than what would normally be? I have been under > alot of stress so that could be why I have higher than usual prodrome > that recently happened, then again it could be just the reason that the > outbreak occured and the peanuts/coffee just heightened it. Try meditation. Also another hugely important think to do is work your abdominal muscles. By doing it, you will strenghten those muscles and implicitly will make it easier for the spine (located on the opposite side, right?). It takes time, though, obviously, but with each approach to the issues, you will improve noticeably the state of your health and make yourself much more defendant of the herpes viral activity. Use a blender and drink various combinations of juices. This is a great way to help the digestion of food, considering both of us have an obvious problems digesting food in one way or another (considering we like to eat foods not easily digestible, such as nuts). That's pretty much what comes to my mind, I kind of feel not many people bring their contribution anymore to this group, namely ASH, it seems like there are just a bunch of salesman type Websites around and that's about it. My idees and a few others' (such as yourself), are still limited, even though powerful. > BTW I didnt get anymore pimples, but I did have some additional aching > in the lower back and hip area today so I am thinking there is still > some activity going on. > > Al These are signs of herpes activity from the sacral ganglia, most likely. Perl von Molson http://wsuonline.weber.edu/gundy/metabolism/default.htm additionally, at the above link, some great video lectures about metabolism, and other related topics > > So more likely the day to day and other higher stress levels are the > > triggers, but the caffeine and peanuts are a catalyst to increase the [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Perl von Molson Well I could try the meditation, but I am not sure how that is going to help. Do you really think that strenthening the stomach and thus the spine will help with herpes? I know that the herpes lies dormant in the lower back, and thats been an area where I start getting achy before an outbreak occurs. I guess I cursed myself. I am back to the back to back outbreaks again! one almost stops and another one starts! Now I have a cluster of painful broken blisters on the pubic area and more coming out on the inner thighs. I am not sure that the peanuts could of done all this, but I have been under alot of work related stress and at home so I could have gotten the outbreak from those factors. I joined a dating room, contacted 75 women in my area, got 10 responses, ended up talking to 4 of them (because the other 6 turned out to be weird) and stupidly told those 4 up front I have herpes. Well out of those 4 one person still wants to see me now. Anyway, I'll keep those remedies in mind, I need to loose weight anyway. I am getting to have a big butt etc! Later, Al > Well I could try the meditation, but I am not sure how that is going to > help. It's a long story; since you're not really interested in pursueing this stuff, it's not point going further with details. Do you really think that strenthening the stomach and thus the > spine will help with herpes? I know that the herpes lies dormant in the > lower back, and thats been an area where I start getting achy before an > outbreak occurs. It's more then that. Think about the lymphatic system. There are nodules located in those areas. An much more; another long story. That's no point in reinventing the wheel. You either do it or you don't. I've offered you a few suggestions. I guess I cursed myself. I am back to the back to back > outbreaks again! one almost stops and another one starts! Now I have a > cluster of painful broken blisters on the pubic area and more coming > out on the inner thighs. Don't worry, they'll go away soon I am not sure that the peanuts could of done > all this That's irrelevant, even if it is the cause; you don't seem to be allergic to peanuts so all you need to do is to overcome the problem peanuts is causing you. There are greater benefits in eating peanuts than in not eating them. , but I have been under alot of work related stress and at home > so I could have gotten the outbreak from those factors. that can't be true; it's just temporary what's happening to you now. If all people would have "work related stress and home related stress and gotten outbreaks from them", no work would had been ever done and we would live now in the Stone Age I joined a > dating room, contacted 75 women in my area, got 10 responses, ended up > talking to 4 of them (because the other 6 turned out to be weird) and > stupidly told those 4 up front I have herpes. Well out of those 4 one > person still wants to see me now. "Only" one? How many do you want to date at once? > Anyway, I'll keep those remedies in mind, I need to loose weight > anyway. I am getting to have a big butt etc! > > Later, > Al See you later Perl von Molson stress and a week immune system are the number one causes of outbreaks > stress and a week immune system are the number one causes of outbreaks Oh yeah? Where did you learn about it? On Angela's Website? Of course, because if the immune system is "week", people will be tempted to use prescription drugs (= more money in Angela's bank account) Get a real grip on the issue, Stan! Perl von Molson stress and a week immune system are the number one causes of outbreaks Well I know I have the stress and I probably have a weak immune system, because recently my genital hpv (genital warts) spread to my left under arm. So I dont know... > Well I know I have the stress and I probably have a weak immune system, > because recently my genital hpv (genital warts) spread to my left under > arm. So I dont know... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2235386227744385595 What is the best way to deal with stress? Deepak Chopra explains how to recognize when ones stress levels are increasing and how to handle the effects. Techniques discussed include focusing on the associated emotions until the feeling begins to dissipate. 1 min 1 sec - Nov 30, 2005 > not unless you are alergic to peanuts and don't know it. outbreaks are > not triggered by peanuts...it is when your immune system gets low. such > as, sick, surgery, stress, etc. I think this theory with " when your immune system gets low" is a myth. There are other factors to be taken in consideration, including the hormonal components of the immune system (but not that it gets low) Perl von Molson > > not unless you are alergic to peanuts and don't know it. outbreaks are > > not triggered by peanuts...it is when your immune system gets low. such [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Perl von Molson a great argument for that is, why I didn't get any colds/flu as I've used to get maybe once a year if not twice, all the years until I've got chronic herpes? If my immune system was low, imagine that, with herpes virus taking a toll on the immuse system, I would have getting even more often colds/flu over these years; as a matter of fact, I haven't had a single minor cold in over 6 or so years. Perl von Molson |
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