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American Journal of Health-System Pharmacy
Copyright (C) 2001 American Society of Health-System Pharmacists, Inc.  All
rights reserved.

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Volume 58(4)             15 February 2001             p 298, 300, 304
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Lysine for management of herpes labialis
[Alternative Therapies]
Tomblin, Frankie A. Jr. Pharm.D.; Lucas, Kristy H. Pharm.D.
Degree Candidate (Tomblin)
School of Pharmacy; tomblin-fa@usa.net
Clinical Assistant Professor (Lucas)
Schools of Pharmacy and Medicine; Departments of Clinical Pharmacy and
Internal
Medicine
West Virginia University; 3110 MacCorkle Avenue; Charleston, WV 25304

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Lysine is one of 10 essential amino acids required for human nutrition.1
Dietary
sources of lysine include meat, cheese, yogurt, brewer's yeast, legumes, and
wheat germ.2 This article examines the literature in an attempt to determine
the
validity of claims that lysine is effective in reducing the frequency,
duration,
and severity of outbreaks of herpes labialis (cold sores) in patients prone
to
frequent recurrences.

Use. Lysine is marketed for use in the prevention and treatment of outbreaks
of
herpes, particularly herpes labialis. Although not curative, lysine is
advertised to decrease the frequency, severity, and duration of cold sores.
Lysine has also been used to aid in the treatment of rheumatoid arthritis,
heroin intoxification, and metabolic alkalosis and to increase the
absorption
and decrease the elimination of calcium.

Pharmacology. Herpes simplex virus (HSV) is highly dependent on the amino
acid
arginine for reproduction.3 Griffith et al.4 reported that high
intracellular
concentrations of lysine (50 ([mu]g/mL [342 [mu]M]) inhibit reproduction of
HSV
in tissue cultures by acting as a competitive inhibitor of arginine.
However,
Park and colleagues 5 found that alysine concentration of 200 [mu]M did not
impede replication. The contradictory findings of these two studies may be
due
to the different concentrations of lysine achieved intracellularly by
different
tissue types (the Griffith et al. study used Green monkey kidney cells, and
the
Park et al. study used trigeminal ganglion cells from albino mice). Thein
and
Hurt's study 6 of 26 volunteers with frequent recurrences of herpes labialis
showed that serum lysine concentrations greater than 165 [mu]M (24 mg/mL)
were
necessary to significantly decrease the recurrence rate. However, the exact
serum lysine concentration required is controversial. FIGURE

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Pharmacokinetics. Extensive pharmacokinetic data for lysine are lacking.
Lysine
is transported across cellular membranes by two transport systems.7 Studies
suggest that lysine is rapidly transported into muscle tissue 8 and that
lysine
concentrations in muscle exceed those of other amino acids, especially at
five
to seven hours after ingestion.9 Free lysine monohydrochloride is absorbed
from
dietary sources at the same rate as lysine, so supplementation would be
likely
to be effective in correcting lysine deficiency.10 Lysine is the most highly
conserved amino acid. This allows humans who consume a nitrogen-balanced
diet (a
diet consisting of 1 g of protein per pound of body weight daily) to have
very
low lysine requirements.11 Catabolism occurs primarily in the liver.

Clinical studies. Lysine's precise role in the prevention and treatment of
herpes labialis outbreaks is unknown. Of seven randomized, double-blind,
placebo-controlled studies reviewed, six showed lysine to be effective for
decreasing the frequency of outbreaks. Only two of the six studies found
lysine
to decrease the severity or duration of an outbreak, however.

The earliest study reviewed was conducted by Milman et al.12 in 1978 to
determine the efficacy of lysine in reducing the duration and severity of
lesions in patients with recurrent herpes labialis. At the screening visit,
patients were randomized to receive L-lysine monohydrochloride or placebo.
The
number of patients assigned to each group was not reported. The patients
were
given 11 500-mg tablets, along with a questionnaire for self-reporting the
duration and severity of lesions. The patients were instructed to take two
tablets at the onset of symptoms and one tablet each morning and evening
thereafter until the 11 tablets were gone. They were also told to record the
duration and severity of their outbreak on the questionnaire. Follow-up
visits
occurred only upon the completion of each 11-tablet treatment course. With
each
follow-up visit, a new packet containing 11 tablets and a questionnaire were
distributed. The number of visits served as a surrogate marker of the number
of
outbreaks occurring during the 48-week study period.

Of the 198 patients accepted for study participation, 79 were excluded
because
they did not return their first questionnaire or returned it incomplete.
Information from the remaining 119 patients was included in the analysis.
The
total number of patients using the first 11 tablets (initial treatment) was
53
and 51 in the lysine and placebo groups, respectively. The total number of
treatments needed in each group was 97 (lysine) and 93 (placebo). The median
recurrence-free interval was 57 and 53 days for the lysine and placebo
groups,
respectively. No statistical analysis was reported, but the study showed no
apparent difference in the duration or severity of herpes labialis outbreaks
between lysine therapy and placebo.

A second trial conducted by the same authors looked at the possible
prophylactic
effect of lysine on outbreaks of herpes labialis.13 This study included data
from 65 patients initially receiving either L-lysine monohydrochloride 500
mg (n
= 31) or placebo (n = 34) twice daily. After 12 weeks, patients were crossed
over without interruption to the alternative agent. The patients used a
questionnaire to record the duration and course of outbreaks. Seventy-nine
patients were admitted to the study, but after 14 (unexplained) withdrawals
and
exclusions, 65 patients remained for analysis. An intention-to-treat
analysis
was not completed. There was no difference in the number of recurrences
during
lysine treatment (91) and during placebo treatment (104) and no difference
in
the frequency or severity of new lesions. Statistical analysis was not
reported.

A 1984 study found conflicting results regarding the efficacy of long-term
lysine supplementation and dietary arginine reduction for decreasing the
frequency of herpes labialis outbreaks.6 The study also examined the
relationship
between serum lysine and arginine concentrations and the frequency of
lesions.
This crossover study compared L-lysine monohydrochloride 1000 mg/day with
placebo. Group A (n = 15) received lysine for the first six months, followed
immediately by six months of placebo. Group B (n = 11) received placebo
followed
by lysine. During the first six-month period there was no significant
difference
in the number of lesions between the two groups (2.6 versus 2.8 lesions per
patient). However, during the second six months the lysine recipients had
significantly fewer new lesions than the placebo recipients (1.8 versus 2.9
lesions per patient) (p pn = 11) received L-lysine monohydrochloride 1248 mg
(four 312-mg tablets) per day for six months and then placebo for six months
without interruption. Group 2 (n = 9) received the same regimen with placebo
first, then lysine. Group 3 (n = 11) received lysine 624 mg (two 312-mg
tablets)
per day for six months and then placebo for six months. Group 4 (n = 10)
received the same regimen with placebo first, then lysine. Of the 47
patients
enrolled, 6 withdrew (1 moved and 5 were eliminated for noncompliance). No
intention-to-treat analysis was performed. This study found no significant
difference between lysine and placebo for either dosage with respect to
healing
time. However, the frequency of outbreaks was significantly lower with
lysine
1248 mg/day (0.89 outbreak per patient per 24-week period) than with placebo
(1.56 outbreaks) (p n = 16) or mannitol capsules (n = 15). The patients took
two
capsules twice a day for three months (1000 mg/day). Eighteen of the
patients
then continued taking one capsule every morning and two every evening for a
total of 750 mg per day for three more months; the other 13 subjects
withdrew
for unexplained reasons. The lysine group had fewer recurrences than
predicted
while taking 1000 mg/day (17 recurrences versus 42.6 predicted). The placebo
group also had fewer recurrences (26 recurrences versus 33.0 predicted).
During
the second three-month period (750 mg/day or placebo) there was no
significant
difference between actual and predicted recurrences (17 recurrences versus
16.8
predicted in the treatment group and 16 recurrences versus 21.8 predicted in
the
placebo group). The clinical significance of the results is unclear, since
this
small study did not compare actual recurrences with lysine against actual
recurrences with placebo. Also, the researchers did not report their method
of
predicting recurrences.

Griffith and colleagues 17 conducted a trial of L-lysine monohydrochloride
1000
mg three times daily for the prevention and treatment of recurrent symptoms
of
HSV infection (either genital or orofacial herpes lesions). Of the 136
subjects
who volunteered, 22 were excluded because they reported fewer than two
outbreaks
in the six months before the study. The remaining 114 subjects were
randomized
to take lysine 1000 mg three times daily (n = 62) or placebo (n = 52). The
patients were asked to record the number, duration, and severity of
outbreaks.
At six months, complete data were available for 34 lysine-treated patients
and
25 given placebo. Seven patients were excluded from the lysine group because
of
concomitant acyclovir use. An intention-to-treat analysis was not performed.
The
number of outbreaks, compared with expectations based on the patients'
experiences in the previous year, was smaller in the lysine group than in
the
placebo group (p p p Dosage. Lysine is usually given orally in the form of a
tablet or capsule. Dosages used for HSV infection in the studies reviewed
ranged
from 250 mg every morning and 500 mg every night to 1000 mg four times a
day.16,20

Adverse effects. Six to 10 g of lysine is consumed daily in the average
adult
diet. Thus, it has been hypothesized that supplementation with 3000 mg/day
will
not cause serious adverse effects.11 Information on lysine's safety is
limited
but serious adverse effects have been reported. In one case, a 44-year-old
woman
developed Fanconi's syndrome, manifested as tubulointerstitial nephritis,
after
taking 3000 mg of lysine daily for five years.21 Abdominal pain and diarrhea
occurred in patients who received 10 g/day for five days.22 Other reports
either
do not provide safety information or state that no adverse effects were
observed.

Contraindications. Lysine supplementation is contraindicated in patients
with
renal disease or hepatic impairment.2 Patients with renal or hepatic disease
may
not be able to eliminate the large amounts of nitrogen produced upon
breakdown
of the supplemented amino acid. No data support the use of lysine in
children or
in pregnant or breast-feeding women.

Interactions. Studies indicate that concomitant use of lysine and calcium
can
increase the absorption and decrease the elimination of calcium.23 Large
doses
of lysine have been reported to increase the toxicity of aminoglycosides by
an
unknown mechanism.2

Conclusion. Lysine's efficacy for herpes labialis may lie more in prevention
than treatment. Studies do not support the use of lysine for decreasing the
severity or duration of outbreaks. Most patients tolerate the supplement
well.
Larger trials are needed to conclusively determine lysine's role in the
treatment of herpes labialis.

Frankie A. Tomblin, Jr., Pharm.D.

Degree Candidate

School of Pharmacy; tomblin-fa@usa.net

Kristy H. Lucas, Pharm.D.

Clinical Assistant Professor

Schools of Pharmacy and Medicine; Departments of Clinical Pharmacy and
Internal
Medicine

West Virginia University; 3110 MacCorkle Avenue; Charleston, WV 25304

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Philadelphia: Saunders; 1998:51.

2. Lysine. In: Burnham TH, Short RM, eds. The review of natural products.
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Louis: Facts and Comparisons; 1998.

3. Tankersley RW. Amino acid requirements of herpes simplex virus in human
cells. J Bacteriol. 1964; 87:609-13.

4. Griffith RS, DeLong DC, Nelson JD. Relation of arginine-lysine antagonism
to
herpes simplex growth in tissue culture. Chemotherapy. 1981; 27:209-13.
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5. Park NH, Pavan-Langston D, Declercq E. Effect of acyclovir,
bromovinyldeoxyuridine,
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vitro. Am
J Med. 1982; 73(1A):151-4. Bibliographic Links

6. Thein DJ, Hurt WC. Lysine as a prophylactic agent in the treatment of
recurrent herpes simplex labialis. Oral Surg. 1984; 58:659-66.

7. Christensin HN. Relevance of transport across the plasma membrane to the
interpretation of the plasma amino acid pattern. In: Leathem JH, ed. Protein
nutrition and free amino acid patterns. New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers Univ.
Free
Press; 1968:40-52.

8. Longenecker JB, Hause NL. Relationship between plasma amino acids and
composition of the ingested protein. Arch Biochem Biophys. 1959; 84:46-59.

9. Uhe AM, Collier GR, O'Dea K. A comparison of the effects of beef, chicken
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10. Flodin NW. Lysine supplementation of cereal foods: a retrospective. J Am
Coll Nutr. 1993; 12:486-500. Bibliographic Links

11. Flodin NW. The metabolic roles, pharmacology, and toxicology of lysine.
J Am
Coll Nutr. 1997; 16:7-21. Bibliographic Links

12. Milman N, Scheibel J, Jessen O. Failure of lysine treatment in recurrent
herpes simplex labialis. Lancet. 1978; 2:942. Letter.

13. Milman N, Scheibel J, Jessen O. Lysine prophylaxis in recurrent herpes
simplex labialis: a double-blind, controlled crossover study. Acta Derm
Venereol. 1980; 60:85-7. Bibliographic Links

14. McCune MA, Perry HO, Muller SA et al. Treatment of recurrent herpes
simplex
infections with L-lysine monohydrochloride. Cutis. 1984; 34:366-73.
Bibliographic
Links

15. DiGiovanna JJ, Blank H. Failure of lysine in frequently recurrent herpes
simplex infections. Arch Dermatol. 1984; 120:48-51. Bibliographic Links

16. Simon CA, Van Melle GD, Ramelet AA. Reply. (Failure of lysine in
frequently
recurrent herpes simplex infection.) Arch Dermatol. 1985; 121:167-8. Letter.

17. Griffith RS, Walsh EW, Myrmel KH et al. Success of L-lysine therapy in
frequently recurrent herpes simplex infection. Dermatologica. 1987;
175:183-90.
Bibliographic Links

18. Black JM, Matassarin-Jacobs E. Medical-surgical nursing: clinical
management
for continuity of care. 5th ed. Philadelphia: Saunders; 1997:667-2211.

19. Walsh DE, Griffith RS, Behforooz A. Subjective response to lysine in the
therapy of herpes simplex. J Antimicrob Chemother. 1983; 12:489-96.
Bibliographic
Links

20. Wright EF. Clinical effectiveness of lysine in treating recurrent
aphthous
ulcers and herpes labialis. Gen Dent. 1994; 42(1):40-2. Bibliographic Links

21. Lo JC, Glenn MC, Rennke H et al. Fanconi's syndrome and
tubulointerstitial
nephritis in association with L-lysine ingestion. Am J Kidney Dis. 1996;
28:614-7. Bibliographic Links

22. Lysine. Natural medicines comprehensive database.
www.naturaldatabase.com
(accessed 2000 Feb 17).

23. Civitelli R, Villareal DT, Agnusdei D et al. Dietary L-lysine and
calcium
metabolism in humans. Nutrition. 1992; 8:400-5. Bibliographic Links

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Angela S. - 10 Oct 2005 16:00 GMT
If you log into Mescape and do a Medscape search on the keywords "lysine for
herpes" you will bring up more information.

Angela ;-)

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Diva - 11 Oct 2005 18:42 GMT
If you read the CPS, you'll find that most heavy-duty pharmaceuticals
have similar results in clinical trials vis a vis the placebo effect.

The nice people who make Zovirax et al don't want us using l-lysine,
they want us to take their product which is a synthetic version thereof!
Angela S. - 11 Oct 2005 19:45 GMT
Uh ~ please show me clinical studies that will prove that L-Lysine reduces
asymptomatic shedding by 95%, reduces intensity and frequency of outbreaks
for patients that have genital herpes type-2, and reduces transmission by
50%.

I have nothing against L-Lysine if somebody out there (anybody at this
point) would show me the proof that L-Lysine was made specifically to treat
herpes simplex virus.

The summary of lysine studies which you can read for yourself on medscape
speak for themselves.

You are trying to copare apples to oranges,

Angela

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> If you read the CPS, you'll find that most heavy-duty pharmaceuticals
> have similar results in clinical trials vis a vis the placebo effect.
>
> The nice people who make Zovirax et al don't want us using l-lysine,
> they want us to take their product which is a synthetic version thereof!
Diva - 11 Oct 2005 21:49 GMT
I'm sceptical of anything coming from the pharmaceutical industry since
learning that the herpes paranoia in the 80's was precipitated by a
drug company marketing strategy!

L-lysine is a naturally occuring amino acid, and your own evidence
demonstrates that the placebo factor is not significantly different
than that of most prescription drugs (including acyclovir).

You're entitled to be "from Missouri", but in a world where doctors
routinely administer shock treatents to psych patients without a clue
as to how badly they will be adversely affected, I'm all for exploring
the source approach, rather than the reprocessed artificially coloured
god-knows-what added pharmacology approach.  Most medicines came from
nature, not the lab!
Angela S. - 12 Oct 2005 00:23 GMT
Hi Diva ~

> I'm sceptical of anything coming from the pharmaceutical industry since
> learning that the herpes paranoia in the 80's was precipitated by a
> drug company marketing strategy!

I would love to read more about this. Do you have anything I can look up?
Also, just because there is negativity in the media and inaccuracies out
there via some companies doesn't mean that all companies are bad. You are
certainly entitled to make your decisions based on whatever you'd like. For
the purpose of keeping this discussion straight there is no proof that
L-Lysine does anything for herpes simplex virus. Furthermore, if I were
leaning more towards a "natural" approach and were looking to go with
L-Lysine I certainly wouldn't take supplements ~ I would be leaning more
towards dietary changes since L-Lysine can be found in foods.

> L-lysine is a naturally occuring amino acid, and your own evidence
> demonstrates that the placebo factor is not significantly different
> than that of most prescription drugs (including acyclovir).

I am making the argument of weighing herpes fighting drugs such as Famvir,
Valtrex, and Acylcor VS. L-Lysine which is not a herpes fighting anything.
You can't compare apples to oranges. Proven herpes antiviral medications
have been proven to reduce asymptomatic shedding, frequency and duration of
outbreaks, as well as transmission to a non-infected partner.

> You're entitled to be "from Missouri",

I'm not from Missouri. I live in Omaha, Nebraska. I'm from Texas originally
but have done extensive travel all over the world due to the fact that my
father was in the Army when I was growing up. (Off Topic: I wouldn't change
that experience for the world.)

> but in a world where doctors
> routinely administer shock treatents to psych patients without a clue
> as to how badly they will be adversely affected, I'm all for exploring
> the source approach, rather than the reprocessed artificially coloured
> god-knows-what added pharmacology approach.  Most medicines came from
> nature, not the lab!

Again ~ you are falling off topic. Your fears are over-riding your
sensibilities as far as comparing apples to oranges.

Hang in there ~ you are certainly entitled to your opinions as I am to mine.
But, until somebody can show me that L-Lysine does the same exact things
that the clinically proven herpes antivirals do I will remain a skeptic of
your input as you are of mine.

Feel free to contact real live herpes research experts who work every day to
find a cure for this virus. They are out there if you take the time to look
them up and read some real literature about herpes. Debate this with them
instead of taking my word for it.

Angela

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Grant - 12 Oct 2005 03:16 GMT
>>> You're entitled to be "from Missouri",
>
>I'm not from Missouri. I live in Omaha, Nebraska. I'm from Texas originally
>but have done extensive travel all over the world due to the fact that my
>father was in the Army when I was growing up. (Off Topic: I wouldn't change
>that experience for the world.)

Hi Angela,

In case you missed the reference, Missouri's slogan is the "show me state."  And
you keep asking for references, etc.  So, therefore...you are entitled to be
"from Missouri."  That's what Diva was alluding to.

ar
Angela S. - 12 Oct 2005 04:38 GMT
Hi Ar,

I would probably know that if I were from Missouri ~ but like I said I live
in Omaha, Nebraska and I'm originally from Texas.

Angela ;-)

>>>> You're entitled to be "from Missouri",
>>
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>
> ar
Grant - 12 Oct 2005 12:42 GMT
>Hi Ar,
>
>I would probably know that if I were from Missouri ~ but like I said I live
>in Omaha, Nebraska and I'm originally from Texas.
>
>Angela ;-)

Hi Angela,

I'm from California.  Didn't you learn that stuff in school?  I guess not.

ar
Angela S. - 12 Oct 2005 14:43 GMT
lol ~ there are more important things to learn in school ~ don't you think?
lol

Angela ;-)

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>>
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>
> ar
Grant - 13 Oct 2005 01:05 GMT
>lol ~ there are more important things to learn in school ~ don't you think?
>lol
>
>Angela ;-)

No.  I thought that was the end all, be all.

ar
Diva - 13 Oct 2005 18:41 GMT
A couple years ago I came really close to picking up the phone when
Sally Jesse had this woman on who was suing her husband for something
like a million or two because he had given her herpes.  I could see it
if he gave her HIV, or even if she had wound up with cervical cancer
from HPV, but that's the kind of b.s. that makes it so difficult for
those of us with this stupid virus to be open about it!  I was using
this phone dating service once, and in my ad I said that I wasn't
looking for casual sex cuz I have herpes - the system administrator
pulled my ad, telling me I couldn't say that word!  Give me a freaking
break - it's that kind of head-in-the-sand mentality that has resulted
in so many non-drug-using heterosexuals contracting HIV!!!  In my
humble opinion, anyway.  Why is it so hard for us to talk about sex
when most of us spend so much of our time thinking about it, trying to
get it, doing it, buying and/or selling it.......
Angela S. - 13 Oct 2005 21:42 GMT
I know EXACTLY what you are talking about Diva. It's frustrating.. isn't it?
A friend of mine signed up for the Perfect Match affiliate program recently
and had placed a couple of Perfect Match ads on her web site. Well her site
happens to be about herpes simplex virus (www.herpesonline.org)... well low
and behold Perfect Match had contacted her and told her to pull the
affiliate ads down because they didn't feel it was appropriate because of
the content on her site. Well as you probably can already tell there is
absolutely nothing wrong with the content on her site. It was probably some
Iggert sitting behind his desk in front of his computer that decided because
the site was about "herpes" she couldn't have the ads up. Likewise ~ I
recently tried to sign up for the new yahoo networking program. This one is
similar to google adsense ~ anyway to make a long story short they wrote to
me and told me that the reason I was declined was because my site had
"sensitive" material on it. (www.yoshi2me.com) What a bunch of baloney, eh?

It's treatment like this that makes me even more determined not to be
ashamed of talking about it or of saying the word herpes. What I decided to
do was take the information and blog about it:
http://workathomemomblog.blogspot.com/2005/10/dont-count-on-yahoo-publisher-netw
ork.html

http://workathomemomblog.blogspot.com/2005/10/i-believe-yahoo-does-violate-its-o
wn.html


I believe that we (the folks that have herpes and know it) have a
responsibility to do everything we can to combat the negative stigma that is
associated with this std. Anyway ~ your note here got me thinking about
what's been happening lately and it makes me even more determined to keep on
keeping on ~ ya know?

Angela ;-)

>A couple years ago I came really close to picking up the phone when
> Sally Jesse had this woman on who was suing her husband for something
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> when most of us spend so much of our time thinking about it, trying to
> get it, doing it, buying and/or selling it.......
Al - 12 Oct 2005 04:52 GMT
Wow! That one went right over my head! I'm from RI, the Ocean
State...luckily there's little pun to be used with RI other than those who
think its part of New York! :o)

> Hi Angela,
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> ar
Tim Fitzmaurice - 12 Oct 2005 16:13 GMT
> I'm sceptical of anything coming from the pharmaceutical industry since
> learning that the herpes paranoia in the 80's was precipitated by a
> drug company marketing strategy!

You've cited one report about a person who then got arrested for blackmail
(yes they handed cash over to the person but thats generally how you catch
them). That in itself screams conspiracy theory to me without getting some
serious details - Ive seen at least one similar website which makes the
same sort of claims so might be the same individual...the detailed reading
of that site was just depressing in terms of how much was spun out of
nothing. So without actually having the details made available it does
seem rather suspect to me - and thats without taking any context of what
was happening in the field at the time.

As to that context, the above statement is contradicted by my experience
in the field whereby the people I have met who were working before that
time were making waves about HSV and herpes incidence before the 80s. Also
a drug company is nto going to be able to pull this off in the UK where they
cannot market direct to the public for anything on prescription, the
scientific community is (like anywhere) going to pressurise the company
for data because if there's one thing guaranteed to get you a hard time
at a conference its being a pharmaceutical company man, the politicians
were desperate to lower cost in the NHS etc etc and yet the opinion about
where herpes was going was the same.

Add to that that the other drug companies with just as much cash would
have (within such a concept) had just as much need to shut down the
hysteria and the fact that the minute someone proves lysine works is the
moment those companies start the production line and sell it by the bucket
- its not as if it isnt pharmaceutical companies making it now then again
the structure falls apart.

So I have to say I disagree with the idea that the hysteria in the 80s was
driven by the drug company with that drug - its not their biggest seller
either so they would have been much better off pushing something else,
the driving idea and warnings were coming equally as strongly from
outside of the drug companies and outside of their influence.

Tim
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M2slo2cht@nospam.invalid - 12 Oct 2005 17:18 GMT
>driving idea and warnings were coming equally as strongly from
>outside of the drug companies and outside of their influence.

Like Time magazine and their "news media" competitors who are always
out to attract the attention of as many magazine buyers as possible,
even if they have to spin the things into mass hysteria, and
irregardless of innocent bystanders (herpsters) who are run over in
the process.
But..... that's the news biz.

M2
 
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