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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / October 2005Treatment vs. cure
I have no ulterior motive to posting other than to offer my "treatment", and it doesn't cost a hundred dollars a bottle. I have no problem with anyone who can validate or invalidate what I am doing. It was inevitable that there would be small-minded skeptics who felt the need to promote themselves as all-knowing and make light of this, when in truth all they can do is regurgitate someone else's work and drop phrases like asymmetric shedding. If you have something to contribute, great, or can validate or invalidate the information, great. Otherwise, keep your cynicism to yourself and shut up. >keep your cynicism to yourself and shut up. oh good grief. It's Saturday morning and I was just messin' witcha. Basically, we hear all sorts of alternative ideas here and I wasn't slamming yours. There ARE some basics that anyone reading needs to be aware of though.... and asymptomatic shedding is a pretty important basic. And, btw, I wasn't joking about potentialy discordant couples asking about transmission risk. If you're sure your partner isn't infected, you could be a help answering some of those. Fair warning though, the next question somebody'll ask is if she's been blood tested. As you may know, most H-positive peeps don't know their status because they've never had an outbreak... and probably never will. Only a blood test will reveal their status. Anyhow, sorry I hit a nerve. I should'a plugged in some smiley faces. M2 Hi Anon, Hmmmm.... I think you're coming down a bit hard on M2. He's probably the nicest person here and he's incredibly supportive and I don't ever remember him slamming an alternative method. Everything he said in his post was correct and, as far as my server can show me, you haven't answered the one question that I also had: what do you do with the pepper juice? Are you talking about drinking it? Or do you put it on the sores? We really can't comment, nor can we try it, until you actually give us that detail. I believe that if you're putting jalapeno pepper juice on your herpes lesions, then yes, it probably does kill the virus. As M2 stated, it's not a cure. But a treatment. There is a big difference there and it's important to keep the terminology straight because there are so many newly infected people desperate for a cure. M2 is not small-minded. Instead, it sounds as if you came here expecting a fight and then created one where it didn't exist. And assymptomatic shedding needs to be mentioned because most people tend to get herpes from a partner that is not having an outbreak at the time. Your juice treatment wouldn't work then, would it? If you're drinking it, then you drink it every day? Or if you put it on the sores, if there isn't a sore to put it on...well, you get the idea. I was with my uninfected partner for 17 years. He has never shown signs of getting herpes from me. I never used the meds. Nor did I use jalapeno peppers. So let me quote you: Otherwise, keep your cynicism to yourself and shut >up. ar Okay, sorry, let's stick to the issue. I cut a pepper in half, squeeze it and use it like a chapstick I never said it was a cure, but possibly a key to a cure. There are some very potent peppers out there that someone else may want to experiment with in a laboratory. As far as the asymptomatic stuff goes, having sex with an uninfected partner puts them at risk, no matter what the state of one's disease. Whether it shows up in some test is a moot point. I'm not here to make judgments, only opening a window. > Hi Anon, > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > ar It's my opinion that anything topical isn't going to cure herpes due to the fact that the virus lives in the nerve bundle in the base of the spine (genital herpes). But as a treatment, it might be just fine. >Okay, sorry, let's stick to the issue. I cut a pepper in half, squeeze it >and use it like a chapstick I never said it was a cure...(snipped) In your original post you said: "My cure is simply the juice from a jalepeno pepper. Yes it burns, but only for a couple of minutes. Believe me, it is worth the minor pain." Apparently, you just forgot to put the quotations around the word "cure." Again, my personal opinion is that women should not try this. It's possible that pepper juice might damage the delicate skin of the vulva and there are vulvar diseases that are pretty awful that have been associated with damaged skin; such as, Lichen Schlerosis. By the way, men can get Lichen Schlerosis as well, known as BXO (can't remember what that stands for), but I'm not sure if it has the same association with damaged skin. ar I agree with this and I would like to add ~ That there are many things that can be used to treat the symptoms of a herpes outbreak. Especially if there is pain involved. BUT ~ there are only a handful of things that will reduce the asymptomatic shedding, reduce the frequency and intensity of outbreaks, and reduce transmission to a non-infected partner by 50%. Pepper Juice as a way to wipe out the virus completely from your body ~ I don't think so. Take Care, Angela ;-) > It's my opinion that anything topical isn't going to cure herpes due to > the fact > that the virus lives in the nerve bundle in the base of the spine (genital > herpes). But as a treatment, it might be just fine. Well, I assume it is the capsacium (sp) in the jalepeno pepper that is doing the deed. It's also found in tobasco sauce. There's a scale of hotness associated with peppers (scoville) and the jalepeno is around 500-1000 on this scale. There are others like the habenero that are a 100 times more potent. Make sure if you try this you do so with a mild pepper. The capsacium triggers a reaction in the nerve endings and yes, it burns. There is a product on the market called Heet that uses capsacium in an ointment form for muscle aches. I haven't tried this but it may be just as effective as using a pepper. You all are very well educated on this virus. Thanks for your input, I do appreciate it. >I agree with this and I would like to add ~ > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> (genital >> herpes). But as a treatment, it might be just fine. Okay, it's capsaicin. Anyway, if you're interested in how I arrived at the idea of using a chili pepper on the herpes sores, it was fairly logical believe it or not. It was due to a related home remedy I read about many years ago. Many home medications are based on symptoms the remedy mimicks. Take the sore throat. It is aggravating to have to swallow painfully every minute for days at a time. Eating medium to hot salsa will produce a similar sensation in the mouth, so try eating a small dish of salsa the next time you have a sore throat. It will be gone in a matter of hours. I haven't had a persistant sore throat in decades. It stands to reason to carry over a similar remedy on burning sores. I did and the results were the same. Now, does salsa "cure" my sore throat? Of course not. I'm guessing it kills off the majority of the virus on the surface and gives the body time to build up an immunity. Let's face it. Nothing cures a viral infection other than our own body's defenses. It is interesting to note that capsaicin does stimulate nerve cells and causes them to give off a substance that is called substance P. This may or may not have a relation to the rapid healing of the sores. Grant says that the virus travels along the nerve pathways, so there is a plausible confluence of cause and effect. > Well, I assume it is the capsacium (sp) in the jalepeno pepper that is > doing the deed. It's also found in tobasco sauce. There's a scale of [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >>> (genital >>> herpes). But as a treatment, it might be just fine. Hi Anon ~ Do you find that this "pepper juice" works for you? Does it take the pain of your herpes outbreaks away? As far as I know I'm not aware of any clinical studies that have been done with pepper juice. Angela ;-)  SignatureThe STD Resource Network - by Those Who Live It! http://www.yoshi2me.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/PickingUpThePieces/ http://www.yoshi2me.com/herpes-h-pals.html > Okay, sorry, let's stick to the issue. I cut a pepper in half, squeeze it > and use it like a chapstick I never said it was a cure, but possibly a key [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > matter what the state of one's disease. Whether it shows up in some test > is a moot point. I'm not here to make judgments, only opening a window. > Hi Anon ~ > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > As far as I know I'm not aware of any clinical studies that have been done > with pepper juice. Zostrix is a topical pain relief compound, its about 0.01% capsaicin which is the burning compound from hot peppers and it works (if I remember correctly) by depleting a compound called Substance P which is part of the pain signal pathways...deplete it and there's nothing to carry the message, so no pain. From reading anon's note my personal money would go on a guess that its most likely that the blister pattern is simply what the virus has settled into in their natural host/virus biology - probably helped by lowering stress as you are not in pain so much and maybe getting the benefit of pain relief in something approximating the above pharmaceutical action. BUt thats a guess.... Tim -- When playing rugby, its not the winning that counts, but the taking apart ICQ: 5178568 > let's stick to the issue. Fair enough. > I never said it was a cure, but possibly a key >to a cure. Fair enough. >As far as the asymptomatic >stuff goes, having sex with an uninfected partner puts them at risk, no >matter what the state of one's disease. True enough. Although there are high risk situations and lower risk ones. Most folk like to know which situation they're in. Unfortunately, that's a tough call on an individual basis. We can get an idea though. >Whether it shows up in some test is >a moot point. Not so. If, for example, your partner who appears to be h-negative, tested out to be positive, she would not be at risk of contracting H from you at all. Zip, zero, nada, risk. And even if she tested negative like you suspect, at least you'd know her status for sure. Otherwise you're just guessing. >only opening a window. Keep on keepin' on. M2 |
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