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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Herpes / September 2005lymphatic system and herpes
Hello Everyone, I saw some posts, I think one from Perl that said that Clivers would help the lymphatic system. I don't know much about this herb, but if it works I may consider it. I do know that when I am having an OB I get aching in lymph nodes all around the body including the under arms, groin, and neck, sometimes causing a stiff neck. Many times fatigue and feverish feelings. I have been cutting down on alot of foods, and I notice that since I cut out chocolate and peanuts, corn and beer, I have had no real bad ones. I am still drinking coffee daily and haven't had the problems from that. I am trying to loose weight so I took away the other foods. When I say bad ones I mean the intense aching, tingling and pain in the back etc. For some reason I am still getting the pimples and sores in that area. So I am thinking that certain foods add to the pain associated with herpes but not necessarily stopping the outbreak, because I still get them regularly. My girlfriend is even disgusted with me, because I get outbreaks so much. She gets 2-3 a year and I get 2 a month. Later, "Tom" Ps...my real name is Al, but I decided to come out of the closet with my herpes status. I am tired of hiding it being afraid of what others think or wondering if people I know will look at me different. Nuts to them! I'm a person no matter what I have. Hi Al, Although, cleavers seem to be the perfect choice for our problems, I did not find any available in stores. As I've wrote in my topic about cleavers, books recommend eating clevers the way you would eat spinach, and not used as an infussion, where the books say it is not as effective. As I've previously said, in my other topic, I've choosen to use beets instead. Yeah, beets. Peal beets and eat it the way you want. Raw or not. Beets do great for the lymphatic system. Another thing, Al Try the following simple exercise, to increase your thymus function (inspired from the book called Meditation as Medicine : Activate the Power of Your Natural Healing Force by M.D., Dharma Singh Khalsa, Cameron Stauth " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/074340064X/ref=sib_vae_dp/103-3817554-065 2621?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books Standing, take a deep breath through your nostrils and hold a little; while holding, take your hands against each other, hold the hands with the tops of the fingers, and pull them against each other as hard as you can; hold for 10 seconds and release. Do this exercise a few times in order to stimulate your thymus. After you've done this, you can eat chocolate, peanuts and whatever else you wish. Do these 2 things, that I've suggested you, and come back and tell me the results. If you currently have an outbreak, I recommend either having a hot bath where you've added some Epson salt in it, or go to a dry hot sauna. P.S. This treatment is for genital herpes. Let me know if you have cold sores, as well. Perl von Molson Hi Perl, Well I guess it cannot hurt, and I like eating beets anyways, so I will try it. I am actually having an outbreak right now. What I have is an elongated fissure above the anus but in between the buttocks. Its sore and a little itchy and red. I belong to Bally's which I just started to get back to. I am using the whirlpool (with salts) and a sauna. I noticed that both seem to be helping my genital herpes problem in terms of the raw irritated feeling I get from the sores and any aching and itching. I am trying to get back into walking and biking to help increase my health. I don't really have a big problem from oral herpes, but I think I have it minimally because I sometimes get little sore blisters on the lips but they are kind of hidden when they come out and small, so its not a big problem. I am kind of afraid that the herpes spread to my nostril, because a couple of days ago I got the same tingling and itching in the left nostril that I get in my genitals and lips, but I didn't get any blisters there. I am not that knowledgeable in biology anymore, what is the thymus? How will this help my herpes? Thanks, Al > Hi Al, > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Meditation as Medicine : Activate the Power of Your Natural Healing > Force by M.D., Dharma Singh Khalsa, Cameron Stauth " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/074340064X/ref=sib_vae_dp/103-3817554-065 2621?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books > Standing, take a deep breath through your nostrils > and hold a little; while holding, take your hands against each other, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Perl von Molson Forgot to mention, regarding the itchiness in your nostrils. Cleanse your nostrils with salted warm water. That is, "snort" some salted warm water (stir a couple of teaspoons of salt in a small paper cup of warm water). This warm water will... exit in your mouth and get rid of it. Salt is hightly anti-viral and anti bacterial. You can use a cotton-swab with witch hazel alcohol solution (your local Wal-Mart sells it). Regarding the exercise I've mentioned about, it is supposed to bring balance to your thymus, spleen, lymph and all the rest of it, related to your body's inability to deal with herpes. Just try it Al, and the results will talk for themselves. The fact that you've got sores in the lymph nodes areas, gives an indicator that with this exercise you will solve this problem. What you do besides my advise its up to you, as you've mentioned, you want to jog and ride bikes. That's of course excellent. My tips offers you the simplest possible methods; these methods take a few minutes off your time. You drink coffee, and that is ok, coffee has anti-herpes properties. It's just that coffee adds up to the level of cortisol, in conformity to some studies. But you seem to be getting over the stress (thus, lowering your colesterol), through exercise (try to keep stretching your upper areas of your body) and breathing (a lot through your nostrils, fresh air), so it should do it. Perl von Molson > Hi Perl, > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > > > Perl von Molson Okay I suppose it is worth a try for the exercise and the beets. I will try it. This outbreak really surprised me! I had almost no prodrome, aside for some mild itching on the lower back and then the next day a sore fissure developing between the buttocks. In another day painful soreness. This one looks like a cut in the middle of swollen skin and redness and it is raw and sore. Maybe tomorrow I can buy some canned beets and things and just try them out. Al > Forgot to mention, regarding the itchiness in your nostrils. > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > > Meditation as Medicine : Activate the Power of Your Natural Healing > > > Force by M.D., Dharma Singh Khalsa, Cameron Stauth " http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/074340064X/ref=sib_vae_dp/103-3817554-065 2621?%5Fencoding=UTF8&no=283155&me=ATVPDKIKX0DER&st=books > > > Standing, take a deep breath through your nostrils > > > and hold a little; while holding, take your hands against each other, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > > > Perl von Molson Go for it, Al. Buy some fresh beets if you can, they are in the season now. Peel them and use a grater. Don't forget to pull your hands against each other very hard and hold for 10 seconds (at the level of your sholder). Do this 3-4 times. That outbreak has surprised you. "Surprise it" back with this treatment. P.S. At my previous post, I've meant cortisol insted of colesterol. Perl von Molson jumping up and down on a trampoline is a great way to clear the lymphatic system. Fresh beets, boiled, is a good way to eat them. Remember that the juice stains so be careful when cutting them, etc. ar > jumping up and down on a trampoline is a great way to clear the lymphatic > system. Fresh beets, boiled, is a good way to eat them. Remember that the > juice stains so be careful when cutting them, etc. > > ar Yeah, I'll keep these in mind. >Okay I suppose it is worth a try for the exercise and the beets. I will try >it. This outbreak really surprised me! I had almost no prodrome, aside for >some mild itching on the lower back and then the next day a sore fissure >developing between the buttocks. In another day painful soreness. This one >looks like a cut in the middle of swollen skin and redness and it is raw and >sore. >Maybe tomorrow I can buy some canned beets and things and just try them out. Hey Al, You've been here long enough to know Perlie has more cures for herpes than politicians have excuses for anything, and every one of them as genuine, but a thought about beets traipsed through my head, and by golly, beets may be good for you. As long as you don't eat too many, probably. But it turns out they're high in L-lysine and relatively low in L-arginine, and that's real swell where I come from. http://www.herpes.com/Nutrition.shtml Ya know? Take care, Mike M. L. S. wrote: > >Okay I suppose it is worth a try for the exercise and the beets. I will try > >it. This outbreak really surprised me! I had almost no prodrome, aside for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Mike Now you see the World of herpes in 2 colors: black and white (arginine and lysine), right? How about taking a 500 mg lysine supplement a day? You don't believe in nutrition, right, Mike? When Al was asking info related to cleavers, that is good for the lymphatic system, I've suggested that beets, conform to various studies, have this type of properties, as well. By coincidence, beets have a high lysine/arginine ratio. This fact has nothing to do with the benefit beets bring to our body when the lymph nodes are inflated. The same can be said about cucumbers, that have a low lysine/arginine ratio, they are one of the top foods for treating herpes, due to its properties (cucumbers are good for skin, kidneys etc.); or blueberries, or even hazelnuts, coconuts, and the list goes on... Perl von Molson >Now you see the World of herpes in 2 colors: black and white (arginine >and lysine), right? >How about taking a 500 mg lysine supplement a day? >You don't believe in nutrition, right, Mike? Nothing beets! a *well-balanced* diet, Perlie. If you want to flip your pancake over every potion that gives you a notion, feel free, but others might reflect that a body needs a lot of things from several sources, and that a full diet of a variety of foods provides more than enough of the essentials to handle everything. Mike >When Al was asking info related to cleavers, that is good for the >lymphatic system, I've suggested that beets, conform to various >studies, have >this type of properties, as well. >By coincidence, beets have a high lysine/arginine ratio. >This fact has nothing to do with the benefit beets bring to >our body when the lymph nodes are inflated. >The same can be said about cucumbers, that have a low lysine/arginine >ratio, >they are one of the top foods for treating herpes, due to its >properties (cucumbers are good for skin, kidneys etc.); or blueberries, >or even hazelnuts, >coconuts, and the list goes on... M. L. S. wrote: > >Now you see the World of herpes in 2 colors: black and white (arginine > >and lysine), right? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Mike True, but in the case of a chronic disease such as herpes simplex, there is more to it than just a simple "full diet of a variety of foods". These alone cannot do the job. It it's about to judge after your definition, even a daily beer would be, perhaps, a fabulous choice (beer has copper and other goodies, right?). In fact, when trying to cure/treat a disease of such an amplitude, there are more then a few issues you need to be aware of, for an extended period of time. Without having the knowledge of what A LOT OF nutrients/herbs/etc carry within them, when used either alone or in combination, you cannot just simply "hit the chinese buffet" and get rid of herpes. That is why the approach toward eliminating herpes must be done following certain patterns extremelly well established. Perl von Molson > >When Al was asking info related to cleavers, that is good for the > >lymphatic system, I've suggested that beets, conform to various [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >or even hazelnuts, > >coconuts, and the list goes on... >In fact, when trying to cure/treat a disease of such an amplitude, >there are more then a few issues you need to be aware of, for an >extended period of time. >Without having the knowledge of what A LOT OF nutrients/herbs/etc carry >within them, >when used either alone or in combination, you cannot just >simply "hit the chinese buffet" and get rid of herpes. >That is why the approach toward eliminating herpes must be done >following certain patterns extremelly well established. You can't "cure/treat" herpes by rummaging around in the back bins of your local healthnut store, Perlie. Mike > >In fact, when trying to cure/treat a disease of such an amplitude, > >there are more then a few issues you need to be aware of, for an [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mike I don't know, maybe that's what you used to do, Mike, got yourself nowhere, and now you're bashing others for doing the right thing. I am, per se an autodidact, and have a reasonably good knowledge level (not expert, in special concerning the do-it stuff, but willing to get near it) in yoga; some of the postures are supposed to correct a lot of the imbalances and problems in the body. I am very hopefull that soon, I will cure myself of herpes. It takes a lot of dedication to achieve such a goal. You cannot just remain laid-back, be a couch potato and expect a cure to happen from just taking cure-free prescription pills or hit the buffet. Perl von Molson >> You can't "cure/treat" herpes by rummaging around in the back bins >> of your local healthnut store, Perlie. >I don't know, maybe that's what you used to do, Mike, got yourself >nowhere, and now you're bashing others for doing the right thing. >I am, per se an autodidact, Your teacher was incompetent. > and have a reasonably good knowledge level >(not expert, in special concerning the do-it stuff, but willing to get >near it) in yoga; some of the postures are supposed to correct a lot of >the imbalances and problems in the body. >I am very hopefull that soon, I will cure myself of herpes. I know you are quite "hopeful", Perlie. I also know that your hope is completely vacuous. >It takes a lot of dedication to achieve such a goal. >You cannot just remain laid-back, be a couch potato and expect a cure >to happen from just taking cure-free prescription pills or hit the >buffet. Mmmmmmmm, buffet. Mike > >> You can't "cure/treat" herpes by rummaging around in the back bins > >> of your local healthnut store, Perlie. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Your teacher was incompetent. Are you envious on my awesome teacher? > > and have a reasonably good knowledge level > >(not expert, in special concerning the do-it stuff, but willing to get [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I know you are quite "hopeful", Perlie. I also know that your hope > is completely vacuous. You know nothing, then. > >It takes a lot of dedication to achieve such a goal. > >You cannot just remain laid-back, be a couch potato and expect a cure [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mike I have a coupon, you want my coupon? A free spring-roll, with a purchase of 5 bottles of Acyclovir. Perl von Molson Well I know, but I just thought I would try something else hoping it would work for me. I am currently taking Valtrex 500 mg at least I will be for a few more days and I am also using Abreva on some sores because I am at the end of an outbreak now. I stopped taking the Lysine but I am taking vitamins and working out or walking. to get in shape. Al > >Okay I suppose it is worth a try for the exercise and the beets. I will try > >it. This outbreak really surprised me! I had almost no prodrome, aside for [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Mike Prescription stuff such as Valtrex and over the counter Abreva are probably the only stuff that I would't want to use, for personal reasons. Lysine is good when taken 500 mg a day. Taking vitamins? Great nutrition, is a better choice. Working out is also on my list when used in moderation. There are other forms of exercise that I prefer to it as a main choice, such as jogging, yoga swimming. I go to the gym as complementary. Walking is great, as long as you have proper shoes/runners; most of the walking trail are now made of concrete. Biking is easier on your feet. Perl von Molson >Prescription stuff such as Valtrex and >over the counter Abreva are probably the only >stuff that I would't want to use, for personal reasons. >Lysine is good when taken 500 mg a day. Lysine *may* be "good" for *some* people. Studies have been somewhat equivocal as to the hard and fast benefits of taking supplemental lysine. It does appear to work for about 30% of people. I happen to think it works for me, but since it's impossible to separate causality from coincidence, I find it reckless to make categorical statements like Perlie does. Mike >Taking vitamins? Great nutrition, is a better choice. >Working out is also on my list when used in moderation. There are other >forms of exercise that I >prefer to it as a main choice, such as jogging, yoga >swimming. I go to the gym as complementary. >Walking is great, as long as you have proper shoes/runners; most of the >walking trail are now made of concrete. >Biking is easier on your feet. Of course, I am talking from my perspective. You also, Mike, seem to have statements like: "It does appear to work for about 30% of people". When I make an assumption, it is because is based on my personal research, and most of the data its been exposed in here at A.S.H. Considering that arginine is one of the major culprits involved in the activity of herpes simplex virus, while lysine works antagonistically, it is wise to follow experts' advice in taking lysine suplemments, as I do. 500 mg of lysine, when taken for a certain ammount of time, cannot do any harm to our bodies, considering it is simply a natural amino-acid, found in most foods. Lysine is an adjuvant to other nutrients/herbs/etc that combined in a certain pattern, do keep herpes simplex activity heading towards null (the goal being a cure, of course). Perl von Molson I am currently taking a Centrum multi vitamin, E, A, C, B6, Zinc, Calcium, and trying to eat better and exercise when I am able to. I will be taking Valtrex 500 mg for 7 days. I was using Abreva on the sores which happen to be on my tailbone area, but the fact that its not working as well as I thought I am using zinc oxide powder on the sores to help it heal faster instead of the abreva. Usually my lesions are hard pimple like things that only feel prickly and itch on the inner thighs. This one in the back is raw and open and draining, like with this wet stuff coming from it. My girlfriend takes valtrex sometimes so she told me I should take it also. Al > Of course, I am talking from my perspective. > You also, Mike, seem to have statements like: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Perl von Molson I don't know, I've just posted an answer to this and it doesn't appear in the email. What I was saying was that I personally do not use any of your stuff you've wrote about so I cannot give you any feed-back. You've choosen this kind of treatment and I can't blame you for doing so. The folk remedies are a complicated task to follow. Perl von Molson > I am currently taking a Centrum multi vitamin, E, A, C, B6, Zinc, Calcium, > and trying to eat better and exercise when I am able to. I will be taking [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > Perl von Molson I hope it works for you. Most of the kind of stuff you plan to take or do is not part of my own type of stuff, so I can't get you any feed-back in there. Perl von Molson Well here are two observations: 1. I found that zinc oxide powder seems to work wonders for drying out the open draining sores that I get on the tailbone area. 2. I found that the valtrex DID make an improvement in preventing an outbreak from happening, because it turns out as I was taking it a prodrome started but nothing more happened. Thanks, Al > I hope it works for you. > > Most of the kind of stuff you plan to take or do is not part of my > own type of stuff, so I can't get you any feed-back in there. > > Perl von Molson > I am currently taking a Centrum multi vitamin, E, A, C, B6, Zinc, Calcium, > and trying to eat better and exercise when I am able to. I will be taking [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Al I don't know, Al, I do not have any problems with the genital herpes or even labial herpes; the only problems I have ocassionally, is some chapped lips in the middle lower lip area. Abreva is quite expensive (18 dollars for 2g) and it is mostly used for cold sores (as you say, it doesn't even seem to work for you, but the only thing is they are meant to be used for cold sores, I reckon). I've dealt succesfully with herpes symptoms and even shedding problems of the virus (as I've wrote several times, using Melissa in Ethanol, and also Spray containing Benzalkonium Chloride namely Bactine). Zinc Oxide? There is a cream used for babies that has it. You can use it on the skin. Vitamins and other suplemments work on the long term. You won't see immediate results by taking them. I will post about the chapped lips treatments in the specific topic "One last issue, cracked lips). Perl von Molson > > Of course, I am talking from my perspective. > > You also, Mike, seem to have statements like: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > > > Perl von Molson |
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