Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / December 2005
Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death
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Alan - 26 Dec 2005 20:04 GMT Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
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!:?) - 26 Dec 2005 23:27 GMT > Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775 > <snip> Thank you. I enjoyed that!
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Alan - 27 Dec 2005 10:04 GMT > > Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775 > > <snip> > > Thank you. > I enjoyed that! Just giving the Gators down in Nude Orleans some inspiring messages. We have to continue the war against terror at all times.
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!:?) - 28 Dec 2005 00:31 GMT >>>Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775 >>><snip> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ Still, it's over 200 years old and it's still a stirring Speech! Love stuff like that!
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Alan - 28 Dec 2005 02:10 GMT > Still, it's over 200 years old and it's still a stirring Speech! > Love stuff like that! I've got the declaration of Independence too, which I declared for Milton Keynes, but then I realised that the Queen is not the problem, the problem is Tony Blair.
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is the their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining in the meantime exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands. He has obstructed the administration of justice, by refusing his assent to laws for establishing judiciary powers. He has made judges dependent on his will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, standing armies without the consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the military independent of and superior to the civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his assent to their acts of pretended legislation. For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock trial, from punishment for any murders which they should commit on the inhabitants of these states: For cutting off our trade with all parts of the world: For imposing taxes on us without our consent: For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of trial by jury: For transporting us beyond seas to be tried for pretended offenses: For abolishing the free system of English laws in a neighboring province, establishing therein an arbitrary government, and enlarging its boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these colonies: For taking away our charters, abolishing our most valuable laws, and altering fundamentally the forms of our governments: For suspending our own legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burned our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large armies of foreign mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty, and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the head of a civilized nation. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be ruler of a free people. Nor have we been wanting in attention to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the nesessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, enemies in war, in peace friends. We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.
So I formally declare myself Independent from Tony Blair and his stupid cabinet.
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!:?) - 29 Dec 2005 01:15 GMT > <snip> Wow more than what I asked for and it was good. Boy if you ever applied yourself as a Speach Writer you'd have a hell of a career
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Waterspider - 29 Dec 2005 01:44 GMT >> <snip> > > Wow more than what I asked for and it was good. > Boy if you ever applied yourself as a Speach Writer you'd have a hell of a > career Um, I don't think Alan wrote that.
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Alan - 29 Dec 2005 10:13 GMT > >> <snip> > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Waterspider Hey, I would have done if somebody hadn't got there first. Why blame me just because I was born too late?
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The woman is severely retarded and now five months pregnant. Experts say she operates at a one-year-old’s level, emotionally and mentally. Living in a special care home in Orlando, Florida, she was raped many times.
How can a retarded woman living in a "special care home" get raped many times?
How sick is that?
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!:?) - 28 Dec 2005 00:41 GMT >>>Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775 >>><snip> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ Got a question for ya. Do you have anything on the Constitution?
It took about 13 years for us to all agree on one and everyone complains the IRAQI's are taking too long. Just wish Iran would stay out of Iraqi Politics!
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Alan - 28 Dec 2005 02:03 GMT > Got a question for ya. > Do you have anything on the Constitution? http://www.lectlaw.com/files/his01.htm
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
It's far too long to get in a newgroup post but the whole thing is on that link along with legal opinions on it too.
HTH
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!:?) - 29 Dec 2005 00:53 GMT >>Got a question for ya. >>Do you have anything on the Constitution? [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ What I meant was the debates that took it 13 years to be accepted.
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Whatsup Doc - 29 Dec 2005 01:39 GMT give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!)
Waterspider - 29 Dec 2005 02:21 GMT > give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!) Yeah, but with your attitude, I can't imagine you getting laid... So, rest in peace.
<evil grin>
Waterspider
Alan - 29 Dec 2005 10:16 GMT > > give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Waterspider ROFLMAO. You're bad!
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Waterspider - 29 Dec 2005 18:32 GMT >> > give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!) >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > ROFLMAO. You're bad! Why thank you, your lordship, but that wasn't me, it was my evil twin. <sweet smile>
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Alan - 30 Dec 2005 13:00 GMT > >> > give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!) > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Spidey Hey, when you talk to me like that I just have to come up with another song.
I come from down in the valley where mister when you're young They bring you up to do like your daddy done Me and Mary we met in high school when she was just seventeen We'd ride out of that valley down to where the fields were green
We'd go down to the river And into the river we'd dive Oh down to the river we'd ride
Then I got Mary pregnant and man that was all she wrote And for my nineteenth birthday I got a union card and a wedding coat We went down to the courthouse and the judge put it all to rest No wedding day smiles no walk down the aisle No flowers no wedding dress
That night we went down to the river And into the river we'd dive Oh down to the river we did ride
I got a job working construction for the Johnstown Company But lately there ain't been much work on account of the economy Now all them things that seemed so important Well mister they vanished right into the air Now I just act like I don't remember Mary acts like she don't care
But I remember us riding in my brother's car Her body tan and wet down at the reservoir At night on them banks I'd lie awake And pull her close just to feel each breath she'd take Now those memories come back to haunt me they haunt me like a curse Is a dream a lie if it don't come true Or is it something worse that sends me down to the river though I know the river is dry That sends me down to the river tonight Down to the river my baby and I
I love that song. My sister-in-law said it was depressing, bit I kinda see it as more in the way of prophetic.
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Waterspider - 30 Dec 2005 18:43 GMT "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote...
>> > (Waterspider) wrote: >> >> "Whatsup Doc" <coinsinwell1111@webtv.net> wrote in ... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hey, when you talk to me like that I just have to come up with another > song. <snip Springsteen>
Yeah, The Boss is the boss, the workingman's troubadour. I'd like to see him and Tracy Chapman do a collaboration. Can you imagine? It would be wild! If you like this kind of stuff, try to find a song called "My Sweet Annette" by the Drive By Truckers. Same kind of stuff, but edgier and (this sounds contradictory but it's true) more subtle. If Springsteen did it, though, it would be #1 in a matter of hours.
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Alan - 30 Dec 2005 19:59 GMT > "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote... > >> > (Waterspider) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Spidey You mean this?
Me and my Annette, we was as fond as we could be We was set to marry in October 33 I set my sights on courtin her, as fine as she could be I never even noticed her best friend Marilee Took a job at the saw mill and I bought my girl a ring Had a pre-wedding party, close friends and family Everything was fine, eatin homemade ice cream I swear I never noticed maid of honor, Marilee My Sweet Annette was left standing at the alter.
Marilee was taken ill, it was several miles from home Back then it wasn? fittin for a girl to leave alone Sweet Annette, she asked me to walk her to the door As innocent as children back before the war My Sweet Annette was left standing at the alter.
Lord have mercy for what we done, Lord have mercy when two people get alone Neither one of us had done anything like that, you see By the next sunset, I had eloped with Marilee,
My Sweet Annette was left standing at the alter.
LOL I like it.
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Waterspider - 30 Dec 2005 20:44 GMT >> "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote... >> >> > (Waterspider) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> > You mean this? Yeah, but you really have to *hear* it to appreciate it. Would you like me to send you an mp3 file?
> Me and my Annette, we was as fond as we could be > We was set to marry in October 33 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm Alan - 30 Dec 2005 21:06 GMT > >> "Alan" <alan@veloceraptor.free-online.co.uk> wrote... > >> >> > (Waterspider) wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Yeah, but you really have to *hear* it to appreciate it. > Would you like me to send you an mp3 file? Yes please ;-) I just found some real good news.
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> > Me and my Annette, we was as fond as we could be > > We was set to marry in October 33 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > > > http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm Waterspider - 30 Dec 2005 23:38 GMT >> > In article <11ravv1biqggfa0@corp.supernews.com>, >> > waterspider@moonlight.net [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Yes please ;-) I just found some real good news. You should have it by now.
Alan - 31 Dec 2005 09:34 GMT > >> > In article <11ravv1biqggfa0@corp.supernews.com>, > >> > waterspider@moonlight.net [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > > You should have it by now. Thank you. I really like that song. I had seen the Drive By Truckers mentioned someplace but I didn't know they were that good.
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Whatsup Doc - 30 Dec 2005 18:39 GMT oh evil one i have no problems in that area.
Waterspider - 29 Dec 2005 02:23 GMT > give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!) Oh yeah, Careful, you'll get torn to shreds in here. You're much safer trolling the nice folks at ash-c.
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Alan - 29 Dec 2005 10:20 GMT > > give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!) > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Waterspider There are trolls in ash-sea? What kind of support newsgroup is that?
Here you get the song of the day:
Won't Get Fooled Again - The Who
We'll be fighting in the streets With our children at our feet And the morals that they worship will be gone And the men who spurred us on Sit in judgement of all wrong They decide and the shotgun sings the song
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again
The change, it had to come We knew it all along We were liberated from the fold, that's all And the world looks just the same And history ain't changed 'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again No, no!
I'll move myself and my family aside If we happen to be left half alive I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky Though I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
There's nothing in the streets Looks any different to me And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye And the parting on the left Is now parting on the right And the beards have all grown longer overnight
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution Take a bow for the new revolution Smile and grin at the change all around Pick up my guitar and play Just like yesterday Then I'll get on my knees and pray We don't get fooled again Don't get fooled again No, no!
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
Meet the new boss Same as the old boss
Lord Cerne Abbas
Humpty Dumpty Bush fell off the Iraq wall. Humpty Dumpty Bush had a big fall. All his spin doctors and all the President's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty Bush together again.
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Waterspider - 29 Dec 2005 18:40 GMT >> > give me pussy or give me death! (i dont want to die!!) >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Won't Get Fooled Again - The Who Thanks for reminding me to play some music. Off to Virgin Radio...
Spidey
> We'll be fighting in the streets > With our children at our feet [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > http://www.insurgent.org/~jhd/kookway.htm
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