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hoofprints - 21 Dec 2005 16:18 GMT
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/518702

What's New in Hepatitis C: Current State of the Field and Future
Directions  CME
Disclosures

David Bernstein, MD  

Introduction
Our overall understanding of the hepatitis C epidemic continues to
improve with new insights being gleaned regarding its prevalence,
transmission, and treatment. Data presented at this year's meeting of
the American Association for the Study of Liver Diseases (AASLD)
generated much excitement and hope for a better grasp of the issues
relevant to this common and potentially devastating disease. According
to the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), it is
estimated that approximately 2.7 million individuals in the United
States are currently infected with the hepatitis C virus (HCV).[1] The
latter is believed to be an underestimate of the true scope of the
disease, as this survey excluded several high-risk populations from its
sampling frame. Dr. Brian Edlin from the Weill Medical College of
Cornell University analyzed data from the US Census, the Centers for
Medicare and Medicare Services, the Bureau of Justice Statistics, and
the published medical literature[2]; on the basis of this analysis, he
estimated that the number of persons currently infected with HCV in the
United States is approximately 3.4 million. This higher estimate only
serves to reinforce the growing importance and need for increased
awareness of hepatitis C.

Treatment With Pegylated Interferon and Ribavirin
Fixed-Dose vs Weight-Based Ribavirin Dosing
The current standard of care for the treatment of previously untreated
patients with chronic hepatitis C is a combination of once-weekly
injection of pegylated interferon plus daily oral ribavirin. The
treatment duration is dependent on HCV genotype, with a 48-week course
of therapy recommended for patients infected with genotype 1 or 4, and a
24-week course of therapy recommended for patients infected with HCV
genotypes 2 or 3.

The WIN-R trial (the largest hepatitis C study conducted in US patients)
compared the use of pegylated interferon alfa-2b 1.5 mcg/kg/week plus
either fixed-dose ribavirin 800 mg/day or weight-based dosing of
ribavirin.[3] Weight-based dosing of ribavirin was administered as
follows: Patients weighing < 65 kg received 800 mg/day; patients 65 to <
85 kg received 1000 mg/day; patients 85 to < 105 kg received 1200
mg/day; and patients 105-125 kg received 1400 mg/day. Treatment duration
was 48 weeks for patients with genotype 1 disease, and the use of growth
factors was allowed. The interesting aspect about this trial is that it
included 225 sites, with many being in local communities and not in
large academic centers where most trials are generally performed. The
study enrolled 4913 patients, making it the largest hepatitis C trial to
date. The overall groups were equally matched for sex and viral load.
The sustained viral response rate for patients with genotype 1 disease
with fixed or weight-based dosing of ribavirin was 29% and 34%,
respectively. The sustained viral response rate of genotype 1 patients
with a high viral load was 32% in the weight-based group and 27% in the
fixed-dose group. The study authors reported that both of these
differences in response rate were statistically significant. Perhaps the
most important result to come out of this study was that patients who
weighed > 85 kg had a dramatically better sustained viral response rate
with weight-based dosing of ribavirin than did those receiving
fixed-dose ribavirin. For patients weighing < 85 kg, there was no
difference between the weight-based dosing scheme and a fixed ribavirin
dose of 800 mg/day. The higher dose of 1400 mg ribavirin was also found
to be safe in patients weighing > 105 kg. Although there were more dose
reductions of ribavirin in the weight-based dosing arm, the rate of
treatment discontinuation was the same for both patient groups.*

Duration of Therapy
Many investigators are now looking at the duration of therapy to
determine whether current recommendations are applicable for all
patients or whether tailored, individualized therapy is a better option
for certain patient groups. During this year's AASLD meeting, Ferenci
and colleagues[4] presented data on HCV-infected patients who were
treated for 24 weeks. In this study, patients with HCV genotype 1 and 4
were treated with pegylated interferon alfa-2a 180 mcg/week plus
ribavirin 1000-1200 mg/day. HCV-RNA levels were measured at week 4 on
therapy. Patients with undetectable HCV-RNA at week 4 were assigned to
complete a total course of 24 weeks of therapy. The overall sustained
viral response rate in this group labeled as "super-responders"
(genotype 1 and 4 patients who were HCV-RNA-undetectable after 4 weeks
of antiviral therapy) was 75%. The sustained viral response rate in the
genotype 4 patients in this group was 100%. Viral kinetics appear to be
very important in predicting response to therapy. We currently evaluate
patients after 12 weeks of therapy to determine virologic response and
use this information to determine whether patients should be continued
on therapy. These current study findings support the notion that early
virologic response at week 4 may help determine duration of therapy.
This concept needs to be further addressed as the implications on
patient quality of life and overall economic costs related to a shorter
duration of therapy are positively influenced by these results.*

Is There a Role for Epoetin Alfa in Reducing the Frequency of Anemia?
Effective treatment of chronic hepatitis C with pegylated interferon
plus ribavirin-based therapy is complicated by the associated side
effects, and this can limit the ability to achieve a sustained viral
response. One of the most common side effects of combination therapy is
the development of anemia, which often requires that the ribavirin dose
be reduced or discontinued early. Many clinicians advocate the use of
growth factors to help improve the anemia to allow patients to complete
the therapeutic course without ribavirin dose reduction. Although this
strategy is widely employed, there have been no data to show that this
strategy leads to an improved sustained viral response rate.

Shiffman and colleagues[5] presented their findings regarding the use of
both high-dose ribavirin and supplemental epoetin alfa in patients
infected with HCV genotype 1. One hundred and fifty patients were
randomized into 3 treatment groups. All groups were treated for 48
weeks. Group 1 received pegylated interferon alfa-2b (1.5 mcg/kg/week)
plus weight-based ribavirin 13.3 mg/kg/day (800-1400 mg/day). Group 2
received pegylated interferon alfa-2b (1.5 mcg/kg/week) plus
weight-based ribavirin 13.3 mg/kg/day (800-1400 mg/day) plus epoetin
alfa 40,000 units per week. Group 3 received pegylated interferon
alfa-2b (1.5 mcg/kg/week) plus weight-based ribavirin 15.2 mg/kg/day
(1000-1600 mg/day) plus epoetin alfa 40,000 units per week. Thirty-four
percent of patients were black and the mean body weight was 82.4 kg. The
sustained viral response rates for groups 1, 2, and 3 were 27%, 24%, and
45%, respectively. The improved sustained viral response rate seen in
group 3 appeared to be secondary to a decreased relapse rate after
stopping therapy. The study authors concluded that a significant
increase in sustained viral response rates can be achieved in hepatitis
C genotype 1 patients if treated with higher doses of ribavirin along
with epoetin alfa to limit ribavirin dose reduction.*

Nonresponders to Interferon and Ribavirin-Based Therapy
The choice of therapy for patients who fail to respond to a previous
course of antiviral therapy with either thrice-weekly interferon or
pegylated interferon plus ribavirin-based treatment is unclear. Given
that the overall nonresponse rate remains at about 50% in all treated
patients, the total number of nonresponder patients is growing.

Gaglio and colleagues[6] looked at the efficacy of re-treatment with
pegylated interferon alfa-2b 1.5 mcg/kg/week and either fixed-dose
ribavirin 800 mg/day or weight-based ribavirin at 800-1400 mg/day for a
period of 48 weeks in patients who either did not respond to standard
thrice-weekly interferon monotherapy, did not respond to standard
thrice-weekly interferon plus ribavirin, or who relapsed following
previous therapy.* They found an overall sustained response rate of
about 20% for re-treatment. The response rate was not improved with
higher-dose ribavirin. However, response rates were higher in patients
with genotype non-1 disease, in patients who had never been previously
treated with ribavirin (ie, who had received interferon monotherapy),
and in relapsers.

Other investigators have evaluated the use of both higher-dose pegylated
interferon and weight-based ribavirin in patients who were previously
treated with interferon plus ribavirin-based therapy but failed to clear
virus from the blood. The RENEW trial[7] randomized patients who had
failed previous interferon and ribavirin-based therapy to 48 weeks of
therapy with pegylated interferon alfa-2b at either 0.5, 1.5, or 3.0
mcg/kg/week plus daily weight-based ribavirin at a dose of 800-1400
mg/day.* Use of growth factors to prevent ribavirin dose reduction was
not allowed. More than 800 patients were initiated on therapy in this
study. Primary endpoint was absence of HCV RNA 24 weeks after treatment.
The sustained viral response in the pegylated interferon alfa-2b 3.0
mcg/kg/week arm was 17%, whereas the sustained viral response in the
pegylated interferon alfa-2b 1.5 mcg/kg/week arm was 12%. Further
analyses showed that patients with bridging fibrosis or cirrhosis, as
well as black patients, were less likely to have a sustained viral
response. Sustained viral response was not related to baseline body
weight. Due to the lack of use of growth factors in this study, rates of
dose reduction were quite high, with 45% of patients requiring
reduced-dose ribavirin in the high-dose pegylated interferon group. This
is an intriguing study and raises the question of whether response rates
would have been higher if growth factors were used to prevent dose
reduction. On the basis of these findings, it seems that a similar study
with the allowance of growth factors to prevent ribavirin dose reduction
is warranted, as demonstrated by Shiffman and colleagues.[5]

Impact of Treatment of Cirrhotic Patients on the Development of
Hepatocellular Carcinoma
The goal of treatment for hepatitis C is viral eradication. In patients
without underlying cirrhosis, we assume that viral eradication will
prevent the progression of hepatitis C-related liver disease and
therefore prevent the development of hepatocellular carcinoma. Thus, the
impact of sustained virologic response on the development of
hepatocellular carcinoma in patients with cirrhosis warrants study.

Bruno and colleagues[8] reviewed the databases of 23 Italian hospitals
and identified a total of 1214 patients with hepatitis C and cirrhosis
who were treated with interferon monotherapy. Sixteen percent (n = 199)
of patients had a sustained viral response (based on HCV RNA
undetectability 24 weeks after stopping interferon) to antiviral
therapy. During the follow-up period of approximately 9 years, 183
patients developed hepatocellular carcinoma. Of these 183 patients, only
12 had demonstrated a sustained viral response to interferon. Overall,
the patients who had a sustained viral response were found to have a
significant increase in life expectancy when compared with
nonresponders.

These findings indicate that achievement of a sustained viral response
in patients with underlying cirrhosis is associated with a decreased
likelihood of developing hepatocellular carcinoma (but the risk is not
eliminated). Therefore, continued screening for hepatocellular carcinoma
in this population is warranted.

New Treatments for Hepatitis C
Due to potential limitations associated with current pegylated
interferon plus ribavirin-based therapy for chronic hepatitis C, the
development of novel oral medications has offered great excitement in
the field. During this year's AASLD meeting, preliminary results with
new, small molecules were discussed. It is important to keep in mind
that the information discussed below regarding these new antiviral
agents represents only the early stages in their evaluation. These novel
molecules will not become commercially available for several years, if
at all, as future large-scale trials must still be performed.

Results of 2 small studies evaluating the use of an oral hepatitis C
protease inhibitor, SCH 503034,* in the treatment of nonresponders to
pegylated interferon were presented during this meeting. In the first of
these studies, Zeuzem and colleagues[9] reported on the utility of SCH
503034 in patients infected with HCV genotype 1 who had failed to
respond to previous pegylated interferon-based therapy. Patients were
treated with either SCH 503034 100 mg twice daily, SCH 503034 200 mg
twice daily, SCH 503034 400 mg twice daily, or SCH 503034 400 mg thrice
daily for a total treatment course of 14 days. SCH 503034 was found to
decrease HCV-RNA viral load and this decrease in viral load was
dose-dependent. This novel protease inhibitor was well tolerated. In the
second study, Zeuzem and colleagues[10] examined the efficacy of SCH
503034 used in combination with pegylated interferon alfa-2b for the
treatment of patients who did not respond to previous treatment with
either pegylated interferon alone or in combination with ribavirin.*
Four of 10 patients treated with the combination regimen became HCV
RNA-negative during therapy. The side-effect profile for combination
treatment was comparable to that of pegylated interferon alone, with
more headaches reported in the group receiving SCH 503034. The results
of these 2 small trials are promising in that SCH 503034 has
demonstrated potent antiviral activity in HCV genotype 1 pegylated
interferon nonresponders. However, larger studies must be performed to
evaluate sustained viral response rates with this novel protease
inhibitor, and the authors report that these studies are currently being
planned.

In another study, O'Brien and colleagues[11] presented data on the use
of the HCV-RNA polymerase inhibitor valopicitabine (NM283)* in hepatitis
C patients with genotype 1 disease who were nonresponders to previous
pegylated interferon plus ribavirin-based therapy. This trial was
conducted as a randomized, open-label, phase 2b study comparing 5
different treatment regimens:

Valopicitabine monotherapy;

Valopicitabine 400 mg/day plus pegylated interferon alfa-2a 180 mcg
weekly;

Valopicitabine 800 mg/day plus pegylated interferon alfa-2a 180 mcg
weekly;

Valopicitabine 400 mg/day increased to 800 mg/day, plus pegylated
interferon alfa-2a 180 mcg weekly; or

Combination pegylated interferon alfa-2a plus ribavirin 1000-1200
mg/day.
Twelve-week on-therapy data were reported. Pegylated interferon plus
valopicitabine at a dose of either 800 mg/day or 400 mg/day increased to
800 mg/day showed a significant reduction in HCV-RNA levels when
compared with re-treatment with pegylated interferon plus ribavirin.
Although these data are encouraging, final assessments cannot be made
until the trial is complete and sustained viral response data are made
available.

Reesink and colleagues[12] presented results from a phase 1b trial
involving the NS3-4A protease inhibitor VX-950.* The study authors
assessed the safety and tolerability of this new agent in the treatment
of both healthy controls and patients with hepatitis C genotype 1
disease for a total of 14 days. .Mean serum alanine aminotransferase
levels normalized in all hepatitis C patients receiving VX-950. All
patients treated with VX-950 had at least a 2-log drop in HCV-RNA level,
with 26 of 28 demonstrating at least a 3-log decline in viral load.
VX-950 was well tolerated by both healthy controls and patients with
hepatitis C. The most common side effects associated with VX-950 were
headache and diarrhea. This very preliminary study offers the hope of
potential efficacy of this new agent in the treatment of hepatitis C.
However, additional investigations are warranted before any assessments
can be made regarding the efficacy of VX-950, as the aim of this phase
1b study was evaluation of safety and tolerability.

Concluding Remarks
It is hoped that the above discussion demonstrates the prominent focus
on chronic hepatitis C infection and its potential treatments provided
during this year's AASLD meeting. On the basis of data presented during
these meeting proceedings, we learned that the prevalence of hepatitis C
in the United States is higher than previously estimated, and that the
current therapies, although effective, can perhaps be made even more
effective. Additionally, findings showed that tailored, individualized
therapy may be the most appropriate strategy for assessing patients with
chronic hepatitis C infection, and weight-based dosing of ribavirin
increases sustained viral response rates in patients weighing > 85 kg.
Much excitement revolved around the new therapies in development for
hepatitis C. Data were presented for several novel and promising
antiviral agents. It must be stressed, however, that these data are only
preliminary, and that there have thus far been no phase 3 studies
performed with any of these agents. Although we remain optimistic about
the potential of these new treatment options, clinicians must view these
data with caution until larger, well-designed, randomized controlled
trials are completed and more information is made available. It may take
several years before these additional data are available. Until that
time, the standard of care for the treatment of hepatitis C remains the
combination of once-weekly injections of pegylated interferon plus daily
oral ribavirin.

*This section mentions off-label uses for some medications. These may
describe clinical uses for medications that have not been approved by
the FDA.

References
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C virus infection in the United States, 1988 through 1994. N Engl J Med.
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Edlin B. Five million Americans infected with the hepatitis C virus: a
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Jacobson IM, Brown R, Freilich B, et al. Weight-based ribavirin dosing
increases sustained viral response in patients with chronic hepatitis C:
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"super-responders"? Preliminary results of a prospective randomized
clinical trial. Hepatology. 2005; 42:218A. [Abstract #56]
Shiffman ML, Price A, Hubbard S, et al. Treatment of chronic hepatitis C
virus genotype 1 with peginterferon alfa 2b, high weight based dose
ribavirin and epoetin alfa enhances sustained virological response.
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Gaglio P, Choi J, Zimmerman D, et al. Weight based ribavirin in
combination with pegylated interferon alpha 2b does not improve
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results in 454 patients. Hepatology. 2005; 42:219A. [Abstract #59]
Gross J, Johnson S, Kwo P, et al. Double dose peginterferon alfa 2b with
weight based ribavirin improves response for interferon/ribavirin
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2005;42:219A. [Abstract #60]
Bruno S, Stroffolini T, Bollani S, et al. Long-term outcome of patients
with HCV-related, Child's class A cirrhosis treated with interferon
alfa: the impact of sustained virologic response on hepatocellular
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#85]
Zeuzem S, Sarrazin C, Rouzier R, et al. Anti-viral activity of SCH
50304, a HCV protease inhibitor, administered as monotherapy in
hepatitis C genotype 1 patients refractory to pegylated interferon.
Hepatology. 2005;42:233A. [Abstract #94]
Zeuzem S, Sarrazin C, Wagner F, et al. Combination therapy with the HCV
protease inhibitor, SCH 503034, plus peg-intron in hepatitis C genotype
1 peg-intron non-responders: Phase 1b results. Hepatology. 2005;42:276A.
[Abstract #201]
O'Brien C, Godofsky E, Rodriquez-Torres M, et al. Randomized trial of
valopicitabine (NM283) alone or with peg-interferon vs. retreatment with
peg-interferon plus ribavirin in hepatitis C patients with previous
non-response PEGIFN/RBV: first interim results. Hepatology.
2005;42:234A. [Abstract #95]
Reesink HW, Zeuzem S, Weegink CJ, et al. Final results of a phase 1b,
multiple dose study of VX-950, a hepatitis C virus protease inhibitor.
Hepatology. 2005;42:234A. [Abstract #96]

 

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Alan - 21 Dec 2005 17:24 GMT
> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/518702
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> inhibitor, and the authors report that these studies are currently being
> planned.

That sounds promising Hoof. Better than suffering that Riba-rage again.

> In another study, O'Brien and colleagues[11] presented data on the use
> of the HCV-RNA polymerase inhibitor valopicitabine (NM283)* in hepatitis
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Some good stuff in there. Thanks for posting it.

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!:?) - 22 Dec 2005 02:24 GMT
> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/518702
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> <snip>

Hi hoof,

Thanks for the info here.
Haven't had a chance to read the whole thing through but am making the
time to do that now.

I wanted to add something I found most Doctors in the field don't seem
to be aware of.

Chemically Induced Hep C.
From the Dye injection in MRI or Cat Scans.
Made big News here when a Local Hospital and an Open MRI discovered it.

They were supposed to stop using that Dye in the 90's but as we have
seem with the Botox this could reoccur since it seems to be forgotten
about.
I've asked several Doctors in the field about it and they look at me
like I'm nuts only to have them come back later to thank me for the
heads up.

Thought you'd like this info.

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hoofprints - 22 Dec 2005 15:42 GMT
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>  From the Dye injection in MRI or Cat Scans.
> Made big News here when a Local Hospital and an Open MRI discovered it.

Can you post a link or something to support.

> They were supposed to stop using that Dye in the 90's but as we have
> seem with the Botox this could reoccur since it seems to be forgotten
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> Thought you'd like this info.

Yes, thank you for the info.

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!:?) - 23 Dec 2005 04:34 GMT
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> Can you post a link or something to support.

No, or, I don't know if it ever got on the Web since it was early 90's.
I remember it from Local TV News Reports.

It was Westerly Hospital in R.I. that it was first reported at in
early 90's for the Dye used in Cat Scans.
It also was in the Providence Journal also called ProJo.com here I
think for a Web Address.
(Don't hit that web site often.)

The open MRI (I don't remember which one) was about 5 years or so
later that I heard in the TV News here.

I asked in the VA Hospital in R.I., R.I. Hospital, Memorial Hospital
Pawt., R.I. and Roger Williams Hospital in R.I. that didn't know of it
until I brought it up to them.
Also Attleboro, Tauton Hospitals and I think it was Bridgewater VA
Hospital I also brought it up with.
Not sure about Bridgewater because the VA sends me all over the place.

From what I've been able to tell it's not the easy type to cure!
Type 2 or 4 I think are the easy ones to cure but you can correct me
if I'm wrong.
I don't know exactly which type of Hep C it is yet, I haven't really
asked, but I know it's not the easy ones.
I have a friend dying of AIDS complicated by Hep C from Viet Nam that
made me aware of this and made me follow this type of News.

I also have a friend at a local TV News Station I could ask for more
info on this subject and will see what he can find if you like.
I'll send a Email to him tonight, will be the first time I've asked a
favor of him so I'm hopeful.

> Yes, thank you for the info.

Glad I brought it up then.
I thought you might already know of it and I was just repeating what
you already knew.

> hoof

Merry Christmas and or Happy Holidays Hoof!:?)

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> I don't know exactly which type of Hep C it is yet, I haven't really
> asked, but I know it's not the easy ones.

This does have a few earmarks of the urban myth.

Waterspider
Alan - 23 Dec 2005 11:21 GMT
> This does have a few earmarks of the urban myth.
>
> Waterspider

But this is no myth is it Spidey? This is *News*

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article334823.ece

Mr Cooke's daughter, Susan Kittredge, said she learned last week that her
father may have been one of the victims of a ghoulish body-parts-for-sale
scam that has been under investigation by the District Attorney's office in
Brooklyn for several months.

Several months? Have they actually warned anybody? Have they told any doctors
that an investigation was going on?


So far, investigators believe they have uncovered about 30 cases where bodies
submitted for burial or cremation in New York were illicitly plundered in an
illegal trade that could be worth billions of dollars. The parts were
allegedly sold to companies that recycle human tissue for use in patients.

When he died, aged 95, and just four weeks after giving up his broadcasts,
cancer had spread to his bones. But prosecutors believe that did not stop the
suspects from surgically extracting bones from his body and selling them on.
They could then have been recycled for dental implants or other bone
reconstructive procedures.

Ms Kittredge told the New York Daily News that she felt "shocked and
saddened" by the morbid revelation and expressed additional dismay that
patients may have unwittingly received bone material from someone who was 95
and cancer-stricken.

"That people in need of healing should have received his body parts,
considering his age and the fact that he was ill when he died, is as
appalling to the family as is that his remains were violated," she said.

According to one source familiar with the ongoing investigation, parts stolen
from dead bodies by members of the ring ranged from skin to cardiac valves as
well as bones, usually the largest ones from legs and arms. To avoid
detection, they would allegedly replace the bones with long PVC pipes or even
broomsticks.

A grisly tale unearthed

The macabre case of the New York body-snatchers surfaced with the help of a
whistleblower, Robert Nelms, after he purchased the Daniel George Funeral
Home in Brooklyn. He and his wife, Deborah Johnson, discovered documents
suggesting that secret body-chopping had occurred on the premises. At the
centre of the investigation, according to police, is a former New York
dentist, Michael Mastromarino, who ran a firm called Biomedical Tissue
Services. Mr Mastromarino allegedly sold Alistair Cooke's bones to
Regeneration Technologies of Florida and Tutogen Medical of New Jersey.
Neither company would comment.

I bet they wouldn't!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4552742.stm

Alistair Cooke's bones 'stolen'

An investigation is under way in New York into allegations that the bones of the
late broadcaster Alistair Cooke were stolen before his cremation.

Cooke, known for the Letter from America he broadcast for the BBC, died almost
two years ago, aged 95.

According to the New York Daily News his bones were stolen by a criminal ring
trading body parts.

They were later sold by a biomedical tissue company now under investigation, the
paper claims.

When Cooke died of lung cancer that spread to his bones in March 2004, his body
was taken to a funeral home in Manhattan.

Two days later, relatives of the iconic broadcaster received his ashes, which
were then scattered in New York's Central Park.

Now they have been told that body snatchers allegedly surgically removed his
bones and sold them for more than $7,000 (£4,000) to a company supplying parts
for use in dental implants and various orthopaedic procedures.

The US attorney general's office in Brooklyn is investigating an elaborate ring
involving funeral directors, surgeons and entrepreneurs.

This is a grim and ghoulish tale which has understandably appalled everyone who
knew Cooke, says the BBC's Guto Harri in New York.

Cooke's stepdaughter, Holly Rumbold, told the BBC's World at One programme she
was outraged by the claims.

"I'm most shocked by the violation of the medical ethics, that my stepfather's
ancient and cancerous bones should have been passed off as healthy tissue to
innocent patients," she said.

"I'm furious, I'm enraged, I'm outraged. My stepfather is not the only one
that's been used for this macabre purpose and people are making billions of
dollars out of it."

Cooke's daughter, Susan Kittredge, also said she was shocked and saddened.

And, as the cause of his death was at least partially bone cancer, she said she
was equally appalled that patients in need of healthy transplant pieces could
have received diseased bones.

The use of cancerous bone for transplant is a violation of the US Food and Drug
Administration's rules, the New York Daily News says. The use of tissue from
very elderly people is also against transplant guidelines.

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1673270,00.html

Family's dismay after Alistair Cooke's bones stolen by New York gang

· Relatives of Letter from America author 'outraged'
· Body parts ring included surgeons and undertakers

Gary Younge in New York and Sam Jones
Friday December 23, 2005
The Guardian

The bones of the late broadcaster Alistair Cooke, whose legendary Letter from
America became one of the BBC's most treasured dispatches, were stolen shortly
before his cremation, it was alleged yesterday.

As his life's work drew tributes from both sides of the Atlantic, a criminal
gang allegedly surgically removed his bones and sold them for more than $7,000
(£4,000) to a company supplying parts for use in dental implants and other
orthopaedic procedures, according to the New York Daily News.

An investigation into the gang, which is alleged to have made millions from
several hundred similar snatches, is being carried out by the Brooklyn district
attorney's office. Last week it called the Cooke family to say that his corpse
had been mutilated and sold.

Speaking last night, Cooke's daughter, Susan Kittredge, described the news as
"appalling".

Cooke, a former Guardian writer, died of cancer in March 2004. His body was
taken to a funeral home in Spanish Harlem on the Upper East side of Manhattan
and was cremated two days later. A few weeks after that his family granted him
his dying wish by sprinkling his ashes from Starbucks cups in Central Park.

"[The] family is shocked and saddened by news that following his death parts of
his body were illegally sold for transplant," said Mrs Kittredge, who lives in
Vermont. "That people in need of healing should have received his body parts,
considering his age and the fact that he was ill when he died, is as appalling
to the family as is that his remains were violated."

She said her mother was on her way from New York to join her, adding: "Mother is
93 and it's as disturbing and confusing and unimaginable for her as it is for
most people."

Cooke's long-time secretary, Patricia Yasek, said the news was "truly appalling"
and too upsetting to talk about. The broadcaster's stepdaughter, Holly Rumbold,
told the BBC that what had been done to his body was "corrupt and evil".

She went on to express frustration and fear that, given that her father had had
bone cancer, any transplant could compound the tragedy.

"I'm most shocked by the violation of the medical ethics that my stepfather's
ancient and cancerous bones should have been passed off as healthy tissue to
innocent patients in their quest for better health," she said.

The criminal gang accused of stealing Cooke's bones is at the heart of an
extensive ring of conspirators, including funeral homes, surgeons and biomedical
companies that has allegedly been in operation for at least five years. The gang
is believed to have sold tendons, ligaments and dental remains. Authorities are
also investigating whether they have sold skin for burn victims and heart valves
and arteries for cardiac patients.

Funeral directors were reportedly paid $500 for a corpse, which would then be
dissected. The relevant body parts were then taken away and PVC pipes used to
fill out the clothed bodies that would go into open caskets. The body parts
would later be separated, frozen and shipped to legitimate companies which would
undertake further processing before final sale and transplant. Meanwhile medical
records, including the age of the deceased and cause of death, would be altered
to make the body parts more attractive to buyers.

Cooke's case is one of hundreds under investigation since the alleged ring was
exposed around 18 months ago.

The Brooklyn district attorney's office said yesterday it had no comment to make
on the case. Letter from America, which began in 1946 and chronicled the
changing nature of US politics, society and culture, became the world's
longest-running speech radio programme. It ran to 2,869 editions over six
decades before Cooke recorded his last report on February 20 2004, a few weeks
before his death.

A BBC spokeswoman said last night: "We share people's extreme revulsion at this
news and our thoughts are with Alistair's family."

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,14173,1673270,00.html

Come on do tell me Spidey? Is this an urban myth when it is all over the British
News? How many people in America have recieved these *infected* body parts?

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> > This does have a few earmarks of the urban myth.
> >
[quoted text clipped - 195 lines]
> British News? How many people in America have recieved these *infected* body
> parts?

And I so see New Jersey is mentioned, so I do hope Elmo hasn't had any of these
parts or dental treatment, but as he doesn't read this newsgroup, he isn't going
to know, is he?

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> > This does have a few earmarks of the urban myth.
> >
> > Waterspider
>
> But this is no myth is it Spidey? This is *News*

I don't find it that far fetched based on the fact that tattoo artists
came under fire for spreading blood borne diseases, and the fact that
some pts. acquired HCV from mass vaccination programs at schools in the
50's and 60's. ( had to do with the type of equipment they used to give
the vax).
Couldn't hurt to look, could it?
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>
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> > > This does have a few earmarks of the urban myth.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Couldn't hurt to look, could it?
> hoof

Anja said the same thing about tattoo artists if you remember Hoof, before she
started slurping *feral* *cave* *dwellers* when she said that the red ink is the
one that spreads the virus. As for school, they lined us up for polio jabs and
just stuck the needle in, wiped it off with alcohol and stuck it in the next in
line. Spidey never ever wants to admit that you are right.

So do we care?

You and I have been here a very long time and we both more about living
with Hep-C than she does. We are the ones who live with it from day to day. They
are the ones who did TX time and time again to get rid of it and now they are
supposedly "cured" they can't go get a life and leave us alone in here. You and
I live with hepatitis and we are the ones this newsgroup was created for. If
others have left and refused to post here any more, is that our problem?

Spidey is not a medical professional and she does not have hepatitis, and do you
or I need her advice?

Hey Hoof, I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, and if the
Professor is still in SPP will you kindly pass on my regards.



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Waterspider - 23 Dec 2005 19:21 GMT
> Anja said <...> that the red ink is the
> one that spreads the virus.

The virus does not care what colour of ink it lives in (it may be
colour-blind, or perhaps just lacks a sense of style). The problem with the
red pigment that some t. artists used contained dangerously high levels of
lead compared to other colours. Some years ago, in Toronto, a tattoo parlour
was closed because they were using housepaint pigments for ink colour.

As for school, they lined us up for polio jabs and
> just stuck the needle in, wiped it off with alcohol and stuck it in the
> next in
> line. Spidey never ever wants to admit that you are right.

I not only agree with this, but had it done to me and frequently point it
out to others, both in usenet and real life.

> So do we care?

Well, obviously you do.

> You and I have been here a very long time and we both more about living
> with Hep-C than she does. We are the ones who live with it from day to
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> If
> others have left and refused to post here any more, is that our problem?

Um, sorry, this group wasn't created for you. Perhaps you should set up a
newsgroup called alt.hepc.nonresponders if you feel that there's too many
people posting here ;)

> Spidey is not a medical professional and she does not have hepatitis, and
> do you
> or I need her advice?

Alan, I have never advised you about anything, and you should know by now
that trying to yank my chain is a waste of time that you will soon grow
bored with.

All the best of the season to you, and to Hoof and the prof.

WS
Alan - 23 Dec 2005 21:43 GMT
Listen! Forget all the crap.

I've now got my place on the Mjollnir (Hammer of Thor).

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We sail on 16th April for Key West. I already have a list of people that I am
going to bring round to my way of thinking. Could you ask Elmo if he wants to be
on my list, because I figure Elmo should be a worthy adversary, unlike the
others. If not I'll buy him a drink anyway.

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Waterspider - 23 Dec 2005 19:09 GMT
> But this is no myth is it Spidey? This is *News*
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article334823.ece
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Brooklyn for several months <snip the rest... if you haven't read it,
> follow the link>

It's certainly based on fact, but the suggestion that the old guy's
"cancerous bones" may have been used for dental implants is pure speculation
and perhaps a bit sensationalist.

What the story illustrates rather nicely is the stupidity of people who have
a rather bizzare attachment to the corpses of their loved ones. Imagine, if
everyone donated their remains to medical science for either study or
transplant, there would be no more business for our modern-day body
snatchers. It would certainly be helpful, too, to all those folks on long
transplant lists.

Spidey
!:?) - 23 Dec 2005 19:18 GMT
> "!:?)" <"!:?)"@invaid.net> wrote >
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
> Waterspider

Then why would the Doctor came back and thank me for the Info when I
saw him weeks later at RW Hospital and Hep C was his Field?:?)

It happened twice here in the 90's.
Once at Westerly Hospital in R.I. and the other 5 or so years later at
an MRI in South Eastern Mass.
Both reported on Local TV News and in the Providance Journal Bulletin.

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Waterspider - 23 Dec 2005 19:27 GMT
>> "!:?)" <"!:?)"@invaid.net> wrote >
>>>>>I wanted to add something I found most Doctors in the field don't seem
>>>>>to be aware of <snip>.

>> This does have a few earmarks of the urban myth.
>
> Then why would the Doctor came back and thank me for the Info when I saw
> him weeks later at RW Hospital and Hep C was his Field?:?)

Because he's polite?

Sorry, but the fact that a doc thanked you for the info does not make it
factual. It very well may be, but I still think it smells a bit like an
urban myth in the making. At this point, no one knows, except the person who
transplanted the "cancerous bones" if in fact (and this is a BIG if) it
happened at all.

Waterspider
!:?) - 23 Dec 2005 20:02 GMT
>>>"!:?)" <"!:?)"@invaid.net> wrote >
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Because he's polite?

He was not the only Doctor to do this.

> Sorry, but the fact that a doc thanked you for the info does not make it
> factual.

It was Reported in the News here and it is factual as the Doctor said
it not only happened but said it wasn't the Type of Hep C Pat had so
he didn't get it from the Hospital.
That was my question as he lived in Westerly and had been Hospitalized
there.
But he got his Hep C from a Transfusion in the early 70's.
Later confirmed by the VA Hospital in Providence.

Just because you say it's not factual don't make it so!

> It very well may be, but I still think it smells a bit like an
> urban myth in the making. At this point, no one knows, except the person who
> transplanted the "cancerous bones" if in fact (and this is a BIG if) it
> happened at all.

I listed at least 3 Hospitals by Name and a Newspaper that ran the Story!
And here are the TV Stations 6 (LNE), 10 (WJAR), and 12 (WPRI and owns
the Providence Journal Bulletin} that ran the Story.
Why would I provide evidence that could disprove the story if it
wasn't true?

And here's the kicker....
It happened here twice, Years apart and reported on Local TV News and
News Papers both times!

> Waterspider

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Waterspider - 23 Dec 2005 21:24 GMT
>>>>"!:?)" <"!:?)"@invaid.net> wrote >
>>>>>>>I wanted to add something I found most Doctors in the field don't
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> not only happened but said it wasn't the Type of Hep C Pat had so he
> didn't get it from the Hospital.

Opps. Sorry, but we seem to be talking about different subjects.

I thought you were talking "Chemically Induced Hep C; From the Dye injection
in MRI or Cat Scans; Made big News here when a Local Hospital and an Open
MRI discovered it."
Alan - 23 Dec 2005 21:54 GMT
> >>>>"!:?)" <"!:?)"@invaid.net> wrote >
> >>>>>>>I wanted to add something I found most Doctors in the field don't
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> in MRI or Cat Scans; Made big News here when a Local Hospital and an Open
> MRI discovered it."

Wassamatter Myrtle? Have you got brainfog or something? You're the one who
hasn't got hep-c if you remember?

Hey Myrtle, after 6 weeks rowing in the Mjollnir (Hammer of Thor) think how fit
I am going to be?

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Somebody with a big mouth is going to crap himself.

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> >>>http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/518702
> >>>
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> I have a friend dying of AIDS complicated by Hep C from Viet Nam that
> made me aware of this and made me follow this type of News.

Sorry to hear about your friend.  I know that a Medical University (
Stanford ??) was conducting a study on Dual DX of HIV/HCV infection. I
haven't kept up with their findings, so I don't know what kind of
success rate they have with trx.

The length of treatment for 2,3,4's is close to 26 weeks duration.
I have 1 A and the other is 1 B and the length of trx. is 48-52 weeks.
Since my liver isn't as compromised as some, I am staying away from trx.
I tried trx. back in 97 when the only medication for HCV was either
Intron-A or Infergen, no other chemicals were given and the success rate
was approx. 16%. The FDA's protocol for trx. no matter which genotype
you had was 6 months.

When I get some time I will run a search on PubMed to see what I can
come up with on the dye, also on Medscape.

> I also have a friend at a local TV News Station I could ask for more
> info on this subject and will see what he can find if you like.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Merry Christmas and or Happy Holidays Hoof!:?)

Merry Christmas to you too!!  
And a Happy, Healthy, New Year 2006.

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!:?) - 23 Dec 2005 19:38 GMT
I haven't got an answer back from my friend at a local TV Station.
I had told him about this before and they may do another story on it
as a follow up to the ones back then.

After the thing with Botox it seemed interesting to him.
With so much else going on locally it may take awhile for it to happen
unless another case pops up.

I had given him several dozen odd stories to air locally and that was
just one of them.

He mostly does Odd Stories like plowing and salting a Road that
doesn't exist or City Funds paying for things like Dinners for
Political Fund Raisers when they are supposed to be used for the Poor
etc...

So I'm hopeful he knows how to dig this better than I.
Also his Station ran the Story back then too so they should still have
the Tape.

>>Merry Christmas and or Happy Holidays Hoof!:?)
>
> Merry Christmas to you too!!  
> And a Happy, Healthy, New Year 2006.

Thank you hoof, you too.

> hoof

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Hi hoof,

I still haven't heard back from my reporter friend, but it's Christmas
and maybe after the Holidays I'll get the info you asked for.

Happy Holidays!

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> > <snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
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Thank you.  I didn't find any information on the dye HCV connection, but
I didn't thoroughly search for it either.  If lawsuits were filed, there
may be case law online.
If I knew the chemical composition of the dye, maybe I could find it on
PubMed, or at least some medical case history 'may' have been published
to a med. journal.

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>>><snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I didn't thoroughly search for it either.  If lawsuits were filed, there
> may be case law online.

Not sure, never heard about any lawsuits.
But there must have been some or they settled out of Court and
therefore no Court Record.
There was no follow up each time this hit the News either.
But it was also like 5 years between the 2 Reports.

TV Station's here that ran it were:
WLNE TV 6, WJAR TV 10, and WPRI TV 12.
TV 12 owns the Newspaper The Providance Journal.
It's web site is projo.com I think.

Not real good at using Google and I miss my other search engines.
Have a program that uses like 25 different ones I really liked but
more into tracing Email, Web Sites etc...

> If I knew the chemical composition of the dye, maybe I could find it on
> PubMed, or at least some medical case history 'may' have been published
> to a med. journal.

Maybe this will help in your search.
Chemically Induced Hep C
That's the term the Doctors used when they got back to me.

> Have a Peaceful, Happy, Healthy New Year 2006!

Thank you, to you and yours too.

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greyhackles - 29 Dec 2005 02:36 GMT
[snipped]
>Maybe this will help in your search.
>Chemically Induced Hep C
>That's the term the Doctors used when they got back to me.

I call "Shenanigans!"

There are plenty of ways, including chemicals, to induce hepatitis. After all,
the term hepatitis means simply "inflammation of the liver".

But chemicals cannot induce *viral hepatitis*. Only virions can do that...

hth

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Waterspider - 29 Dec 2005 03:44 GMT
> [snipped]
>>Maybe this will help in your search.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> But chemicals cannot induce *viral hepatitis*. Only virions can do that...
> hth

Well....  yeah! That's kinda where I was coming from but thought that I
misunderstood the original post. Chemically induced viral hepatitis would be
an oxymoron, would it not?

Spidey
greyhackles - 29 Dec 2005 04:31 GMT
>> [snipped]
>>>Maybe this will help in your search.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>Spidey

That'd be granting it more complexity than deserved.
It's simply nonsense.

/gh
Waterspider - 29 Dec 2005 04:34 GMT
> On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 19:44:52 -0800, "Waterspider"
> <waterspider@moonlight.net>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
> That'd be granting it more complexity than deserved.
> It's simply nonsense.

A-yup.
hoofprints - 29 Dec 2005 17:30 GMT
> >> [snipped]
> >>>Maybe this will help in your search.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> /gh

I suppose the powers that be thought giving NonA/NonB blood to those
needing blood was a bit less complex, and that NonA was the category
which it deserved!!  You know the decision to classify NonA/NonB as
oral/anal contracted vs. Serum B.  Guess which one HCV falls into?
I should know, that is how I got this crap back on Nov. 2, 1977. 2 lousy
pints to 'make me feel better' after miscarrying at 5 months
gestation!!  When i woke up in the recovery room, and saw the IV tube
looking red instead of clear, and 'objected' to the red color, they
knocked me out and gave me another pint!!
An 1981 annual physical picked it up on the labs and it stated
NonA/NonB, and my doctor had no clue what that meant!!
hoof

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> >>
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> Have a program that uses like 25 different ones I really liked but
> more into tracing Email, Web Sites etc...

I have used Dog Pile which does a meta tag search. but my favorite one
for getting 'great' information and that is mostly educational, is alta
Vista.  It is still up and running and the information is far better
than google or any of the other current fad search engines.

> > If I knew the chemical composition of the dye, maybe I could find it on
> > PubMed, or at least some medical case history 'may' have been published
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Chemically Induced Hep C
> That's the term the Doctors used when they got back to me.

hmmmm!! will give that a try.  Thanks.
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