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Waterspider - 05 Jan 2009 04:04 GMT
I am amazed at you people.
Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
one, absolutely no one, can understand that kind of craziness unless they're
in the middle of it themselves or have been to the dark side of the moon and
back. The worst of it is that isolation, that alone-ness, that knowledge
that no matter how loving and caring the friends and family, they just don't
get it and can never understand.
So, we have this newsgroup. Yay. All the dragonslayers on the planet have
access to this little spot, to discuss, to learn, to just hang out with
fellow sufferers. And you all lurk. Or maybe post something of your medical
experience, so very dry and clinical. Well, you might as well get a textbook
and turn off the computer.
Come ON. Make a connection here, throw out a post and who gives a rat's a.s 
what anybody might think, this is 2009, we're not all frightened of the
internet and you're blowing a really good opportunity to make your Great
Adventure a bit more tolerable and meaningful. And you might make a good
friend or two on the battlefield.
Communicate.
Tell us about dropping the f.cking syringe on the floor, about puking in the
middle of the produce aisle at the grocery store, about falling into
full-blown RibaRage at the pharmacy clerk for no reason at all, about hiding
your dirty dishes in the broom closet because your inlaws were coming over
and you were just too thrashed to clean up.
Or, just have a conversation. About global warming, about a hobby, about the
f.cking weather. Because, as you know, it's damned near impossible to have a
normal conversation with someone not on treatment, and you haven't really
got a lot of people around you on treatment.
You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.
Dwight - 05 Jan 2009 05:13 GMT
> I am amazed at you people.
> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> got a lot of people around you on treatment.
> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.

You tell 'um. I just found out I may be going on a cruise again in March
with 30+ relatives. The only reason I bring it up is the last time I was
on tx was in 2004 and I took a cruise with 76 relatives, you know how
hard it is to be nice to that many people while on Riba? When Friday
night came around and having to take a shot while your who-knows-how-far
from land. It was still a great trip and no one was thrown overboard,
what an accomplishment. Well, I'm not on tx this time.

We used to be some what of a family here. We had what seemed like sweet,
or crazy, or even scary aunt and uncle types. We had the cousin that
everyone picked on or was a bully to everyone else. People like brothers
and sisters we tell things to that we wouldn't tell anyone else. You get
the idea. We've had happy times and some pretty sad times here in this
group. We've watched a lot of people move on after successful battles
with the dragon and some that we've lost when they weren't victorious. I
don't post as often as I used to, doesn't mean I don't check in daily to
see if there is that one person I haven't told my story to and want to
let them know that I am here cheering them on and wishing the all the
success that seems to allude me.

Do come on, let's here from everyone. If your still breathing you can
still fight this thing.

Dwight (still rambling after all these years)
Waterspider - 05 Jan 2009 22:34 GMT
>> I am amazed at you people.
>> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
> Dwight (still rambling after all these years)

You understand where I'm coming from on this; thanks for that. Your comment
about Scary Aunt and Uncle kind of says it all, explains why it was so
fullfilling back in the day... the group members were more than pseudonyms,
they were three-dimensional personalities and, love em or hate em, they were
interesting, one and all. I think we all felt not unlike a bunch of
strangers shipped off to fight a war in a foreign land. We got over most of
the personality conflicts and pulled some real good stuff out of the
battlefield. Were you around when Geb showed up in full RibaRage mode? Wow,
a gold-plated troll if there ever was one, pissed everyone off and was my
nemesis for a while. But, as we all got to know each other, he mellowed, I
mellowed and guess what? He actually came to visit me and we're good friends
to this day. One example.

I remember your Riba Cruise, and I remember laughing out loud, reading about
what you were setting yourself up for. That one was in the same category as
Elmo's daughter's wedding, where his ex-wife and inlaws were present. Great
stories, but no one would ever get it, outside of this group. I'm sure you,
on that cruise, and Elmo, at that wedding, were thinking of ash-c and maybe
that's why no one ended up in jail (although their were other riba-incidents
where people did end up in jail... Dez comes to mind).

Anyway, I'm rambling too but, hey, that's what our new batch of
dragonslayers are missing: the connection with others in the same war, on
the same battlefield, that makes the thing doable, enlightening even, rather
than the hell that it is all alone.

Happy New Year, Dwight. Yep, another one. It's all good.
metspitzer - 06 Jan 2009 01:49 GMT
>>> I am amazed at you people.
>>> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
>
>Happy New Year, Dwight. Yep, another one. It's all good.

Just a theory, but they might have took some of the sting out of the
drugs.

The number of FOAD messages seem much lower than a few years ago.
Paul - 06 Jan 2009 07:41 GMT
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:49:08 -0500, metspitzer <kilowatt@charter.net>,

>Just a theory, but they might have took some of the sting out of the
>drugs.
>
>The number of FOAD messages seem much lower than a few years ago.

Not on here but, in my role as a smartarse, there were times I used to
put
1111 0000 1010 1101 at the bottom of a post
It was my addled brain's way of telling someone to FOAD without
actually realising I had done it.
hexadecimal = F0AD
binary equivalent = 1111 0000 1010 1101

It was the drugs that made me do it  :-)
Waterspider - 06 Jan 2009 09:13 GMT
> On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 20:49:08 -0500, metspitzer <kilowatt@charter.net>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> It was the drugs that made me do it  :-)

Is *that* what that was all about???
I thought you were using the barcode on your scrip for a sig line...
chardonnay9 - 05 Jan 2009 13:42 GMT
Did you ever stop to consider that you may be the reason nobody feels at
home here?

I'd surely like to find something better than this. Anyone have any
suggestions for websites to communicate on?

> I am amazed at you people.
> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> got a lot of people around you on treatment.
> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.
Cody - 05 Jan 2009 14:03 GMT
> Did you ever stop to consider that you may be the reason nobody feels at
> home here?

Not my experience. You should have been here back in the godly farting days.

> I'd surely like to find something better than this. Anyone have any
> suggestions for websites to communicate on?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Hepatitis_C_Central/

Cody

>> I am amazed at you people.
>> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>> treatment.
>> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.
Waterspider - 05 Jan 2009 22:19 GMT
>> Did you ever stop to consider that you may be the reason nobody feels at
>> home here?
>
> Not my experience. You should have been here back in the godly farting
> days.

LOL @ "godly farting days!"
And, wow, did we have some persistent and obnoxious trolls! But, it was
certainly entertaining; these days it's kinda sad... nobody's got any fire
in their belly anymore. Have to admit that I enjoy the Professeur dropping
in from time to time to throw an insult at me, and allow me the opportunity
to return it. It makes me smile. After all, what's a family without a few
cranks?

Happy New Year, Cody :-)
Cody - 06 Jan 2009 00:33 GMT
>>> Did you ever stop to consider that you may be the reason nobody feels at
>>> home here?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> certainly entertaining; these days it's kinda sad... nobody's got any fire
> in their belly anymore.

Well, let's see what we can do about that ;-)

> Have to admit that I enjoy the Professeur dropping
> in from time to time to throw an insult at me, and allow me the opportunity
> to return it. It makes me smile. After all, what's a family without a few
> cranks?
>
> Happy New Year, Cody :-)

Happy New Year to you, too, Spidey.

Cody
Waterspider - 05 Jan 2009 22:12 GMT
> Did you ever stop to consider that you may be the reason nobody feels at
> home here?

Me? Me? I thought it was you.
Hahahahah!
Cactus Jammies - 05 Jan 2009 15:29 GMT
I have nothing to report since my last upload, Your Spidership.  Virons
abounding.  Had this weird posting turn up 26 KB when most of them in here
are 1 or 2KB.  From a certain Iron (...) and when I tried to delete it as
usual, it stayed put.  The body of the message had no contents when I opened
it to put the author in my 'persona non gratia' file.  Maybe the pest will
just rust itself off my NNTP server? Oh BTW you sound in this message of
yours that you either have a real bad toothache or a humungous HANGOVER.
Spidey.  (lol)

Cactus Jammies
>I am amazed at you people.
> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> really got a lot of people around you on treatment.
> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.
Waterspider - 05 Jan 2009 22:42 GMT
>I have nothing to report since my last upload, Your Spidership.  Virons
>abounding.  Had this weird posting turn up 26 KB when most of them in here
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>message of yours that you either have a real bad toothache or a humungous
>HANGOVER. Spidey.  (lol)

Hahahah, no Spidey does not have a hangover, or a toothache, she was smiling
lots as she typed on those keys.
Yeah, ole Ironsides is a pain in the arse, keeps reincarnating hisself to
foil the Kill File.
Are you still doing the tye-dye shirts? I never did get around to asking you
how to go about buying one of those suckers. Website? Photos on Flickr or
anywhere?
Best of 09 to ya, CJ. Guess you're even more snowed in than I am here, but
spring is just around the corner. I got a sweet little wood stove this year,
so I'm cosy even when the power goes out.

Spidey

p.s. Any thoughts of giving one of the new peg-ifn+ treatments a go?
Paul - 05 Jan 2009 18:24 GMT
On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:04:34 -0800, "Waterspider" <nospam@all.com>, in
message ID
<xL-dnZb2isdEG_zUnZ2dnUVZ_gednZ2d@posted.deltacablecommunications>, in
the newsgroup alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>I am amazed at you people.
>Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>got a lot of people around you on treatment.
>You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.

Excellent post WS.  I wonder if one of the ribaragers will take it
personally  :-)  .
OK.  My tx was a few years ago but I will get the ball rolling with
one from me.
When I started tx, I had my little bit of self-employed business and a
couple of little part time jobs on a payroll.  One of these was very
early in the morning sorting parcels for a courier company.
Anyway, I started my tx.  I was concerned as I had seen others on it
before me and had witnessed some horrific stuff - as well as some
fairly mild stuff I hasten to add.  I had a lot of anxiety about it
but was determined to do it - especially as I knew I had a good chance
of it working (geno 2).
Anyway, apart from the first week to 10 days when I felt grotty at
times, the first maybe 10 weeks were fairly OK - or so I thought.
However, after about 6 weeks, I decided that I just didn't want to do
this courier job for a while because it was making big inroads into my
fatigue (3.30am starts) and I needed my energy for my business (higher
hourly rate).
Anyway, I took time off and phoned in sick.  After a week or so, I
attempted to get the paperwork from them for a doctor to sign.  While
I was there, I was called into the manager's office (up a load of
stairs and I was struggling a bit for breath at that time as well as
feeling seriously disorientated).  I felt annoyed at having to climb
the stairs but had enough awareness to realise that the guy wasn't
aware of the nature of the illness.  I struggled into the office and
flopped down onto a chair at which he said (sarcastically) "Sit down,
won't you".  Now bear in mind that I was already very pissed off with
this company because they treated their staff like sh.t.  There then
followed an insinuation that I was swinging the lead (malingering,
pretending to be ill to avoid work - you get the picture).  This was
the moment when all those little ribavirin pills chose to give me the
courage to really say (no - shout) what I thought of the place.  I
found out later they heard me out in the yard too.  I told him the
(the manager) couldn't manage a bunk up in a brothel and that the
place was a sh.t hole.  I slammed the door so hard on the way out I'm
amazed the glass didn't break.
Do I get any prizes?  :-)
In retrospect, I do feel a bit sorry for him as he had no idea what
was going on with me.  I did write to him soon after to explain my
stuff.  That letter was also my notice but I wrote that I would be
unable to work in my notice period.
Waterspider - 05 Jan 2009 22:52 GMT
> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 20:04:34 -0800, "Waterspider" <nospam@all.com>, in
> message ID
[quoted text clipped - 82 lines]
> stuff.  That letter was also my notice but I wrote that I would be
> unable to work in my notice period.

As they say, f.ck 'em if they can't take a joke.
Seriously though, it's frustrating that people can't (or won't bother) to
learn that even though you've not got blood streaming out of your eye
sockets, a drip hooked up to your arm and both legs in casts, that you
really are ill and incapable of working. Imo, if they want to be that
closed-minded, they deserve the glass smashed out of all their doors <g>.
The ones I felt sorry for were the poor, unsuspecting souls in the grocery
store lineup or the post office who had no idea that I wasn't well, never
mind taking large doses of personality-altering and reality-bending drugs.
Some poor woman said, "Lovely day, isn't it?" and the Riba-Monster was all
over her! The worst was the nice young man who said, "Excuse me, ma'am, but
you have to pay for that newspaper..." Argh, I still cringe when I think of
that one. And always in a public place, always with a large audience of
innocent bystanders. To this day, there are people who avoid me in this
little community, and I know why...
sojo - 05 Jan 2009 18:51 GMT
Good one Waterspider. I think your comments are valid.

I guess, because I'm shy by nature, I feel if I post too much about how
crappy this whole thing has been and continues to be (now six months
post treatment), it just means I am a spineless whiner. Anyway, I will
try to post more often as I know there are others who may soon be
starting treatment or are in the middle or through it like myself, who
might benefit from my experiences.

The other reason I don't post that much, is that I don't feel I have
learned that much about Hep C. And because of my lack of knowledge I
don't have much to offer. Those of you who post more frequently than I,
continue to amaze me on how much knowledge you have accumulated.
Needless to say, I have learned a lot from this newsgroup and the
support I have found here is what has kept me lurking and occasionally
posting.

So, just to change the topic, did anyone here experience the rather
enhanced reaction to sun exposure that I did? Hard to remember what it
felt like to be in warm weather with the winter we are having, but I did
go to Mexico last spring while on treatment. Probably not the wisest
choice of things to do during treatment, but it seemed like a good idea
at the time. Not sure of how others have made out in the sun, but based
on my experience, please be careful with sun exposure. Basically, in
that hot Mexican sun, I went from being a pale Canadian to a boiled
lobster in what seemed like 5 minutes - that was with SPF 60 sunscreen
too and I was in partial shade. As much as I have always enjoyed Mexico,
trying to deal with a severe sunburn and Heb C treatment at the same
time was hell. I mentioned the sun sensitivity to the nurse at the
clinic after I got back and she said yes, the ribaviran can increase
your sensitivity to the sun. Would have been nice to know before hand,
but I guess I learned the hard way.

Anyway, based on the winter we are having on the snowy wetcoast, talking
about warm sunshine has lifted my spirits somewhat.

Brian

> I am amazed at you people.
> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> got a lot of people around you on treatment.
> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.
Waterspider - 05 Jan 2009 23:09 GMT
> Good one Waterspider. I think your comments are valid.
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> treatment or are in the middle or through it like myself, who might
> benefit from my experiences.

Yes, please do, and they definitely will benefit from your experiences.
Going into treatment, it's really comforting to talk with someone who's gone
through it and lived to tell the tale :-)  Seriously, more than a few of us
had doubts that we would survive it, especially after reading about the
side-effects. Doctors have the information, but they lack the experience to
let us know what to expect. And, sadly, many of them lack the compassion to
bother.

> The other reason I don't post that much, is that I don't feel I have
> learned that much about Hep C. And because of my lack of knowledge I don't
> have much to offer. Those of you who post more frequently than I, continue
> to amaze me on how much knowledge you have accumulated. Needless to say, I
> have learned a lot from this newsgroup and the support I have found here
> is what has kept me lurking and occasionally posting.

Thanks for your compliment to those of us who are happy to share what we've
learned, but always remember that we started off with no more knowledge that
you have. In many cases, we had even less because the medical profession has
learned a lot in just the past few years. Plus public awareness, although
still pretty sad, is much better than it was.

> So, just to change the topic, did anyone here experience the rather
> enhanced reaction to sun exposure that I did? Hard to remember what it
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Would have been nice to know before hand, but I guess I learned the hard
> way.

Yes! I developed this sensitivity too (and my doctor, the idiot, said it had
nothing to do with tx). I don't know if that topic's come up on the board,
but I'd be interested to know why it causes this, if it's the riba or the
peg-ifn, and if there's anything to make it easier other than locking
yourself up in a dark closet. Another unknown side-effect I had was that tx
threw me into premature, almost instant, full-blown menopause. Yippee! You
have not lived until you have experienced Hot Flashes!

> Anyway, based on the winter we are having on the snowy wetcoast, talking
> about warm sunshine has lifted my spirits somewhat.
>
> Brian

You're on the Wet Coast? I think you, CJ and I are the only Canucks in ash-c
these days. I'm in Pender Harbour (www.penderharbour.org), on the Sunshine
Coast and it's been a bitch so far, with way too much snow and cold. I am so
looking forward to spring.
greyhackles - 06 Jan 2009 04:00 GMT
>> Good one Waterspider. I think your comments are valid.
[...]
>> So, just to change the topic, did anyone here experience the rather
>> enhanced reaction to sun exposure that I did? Hard to remember what it
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>peg-ifn, and if there's anything to make it easier other than locking
>yourself up in a dark closet.
[...]

It's the Ribavirin, and the increased sensitivity to UV light was actually
noted in the Product Information sheets that came to me with the jugs of those
damned caps. And - somewhat surprisingly, considering how little else he
seemed to understand about "life on treatment" - my gastro actually warned me
in advance to use plenty of sun block...

Cheers

/greyhackles
sojo - 06 Jan 2009 15:17 GMT
>> Good one Waterspider. I think your comments are valid.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> Coast and it's been a bitch so far, with way too much snow and cold. I am so
> looking forward to spring.

>> Good one Waterspider. I think your comments are valid.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> Coast and it's been a bitch so far, with way too much snow and cold. I am so
> looking forward to spring.

I live down in White Rock, but know the Sunshine Coast quite well as I
lived there off and on thru the 70's. My brother was a teacher at the
high school in Pender Harbour. Robert's Creek was a favourite hang-out
of mine too back in my hippie days.
somewhere else but not here - 06 Jan 2009 00:23 GMT
> I am amazed at you people.
> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> got a lot of people around you on treatment.
> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.

3rd time round, 6 months worth, went clear in 2004. Never really got
mad, just forgetful (the riba pills were +/- every month), brain dead
(decisions were very hard to make), and itchy.patches everywhere (found
a girl who was bloody good with the zinc stuff, but a fair bit randier
than I could deal with right then)
eileen - 06 Jan 2009 05:02 GMT
> I am amazed at you people.
> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> got a lot of people around you on treatment.
> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.

Your name fits you to a T. Your sting is your own enemy, someday, you
wil be sorry.  I have never met anyone like you. You show no virtue,
good conduct or Morality. You have been the most hateful, foul-mouth,
mean and ugliest person here on this and the old sister group. Yet you
have always counted on me never to rip you a new one because I am a
Christian, I have turned my cheek one to many times not answer this
post. Your problems go far deeper than you would admit yourself and
there are many people who have been stung with your venum. I may be
the only one who will post "My truth", but if they stood up like
Chardonay9 and were honest, you would see those whom are afraid of
your venum and maybe even those who don't mention you meaness here
feel better.  I know I won't bother awaiting you degrading reply, I
will live what's left with prayers for you and your kind for a
transformation or shame, whatever floats your boat.
Signing out you hypocrite.
KoJo you made me proud! Ta Ta
Waterspider - 06 Jan 2009 09:39 GMT
On Jan 4, 11:04 pm, "Waterspider" <nos...@all.com> wrote:
> I am amazed at you people.
> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> got a lot of people around you on treatment.
> You've got nothing to lose. Everything to gain.

Your name fits you to a T. Your sting is your own enemy, someday, you
wil be sorry.  I have never met anyone like you. You show no virtue,
good conduct or Morality. You have been the most hateful, foul-mouth,
mean and ugliest person here on this and the old sister group. Yet you
have always counted on me never to rip you a new one because I am a
Christian, I have turned my cheek one to many times not answer this
post. Your problems go far deeper than you would admit yourself and
there are many people who have been stung with your venum. I may be
the only one who will post "My truth", but if they stood up like
Chardonay9 and were honest, you would see those whom are afraid of
your venum and maybe even those who don't mention you meaness here
feel better.  I know I won't bother awaiting you degrading reply, I
will live what's left with prayers for you and your kind for a
transformation or shame, whatever floats your boat.
Signing out you hypocrite.
KoJo you made me proud! Ta Ta

Um..... okay, you're right: I'm a heathen, a blasphemer, taking the lord's
name in vain, fornicating without the blessed sacrament of marriage and then
working on the sabbath. When I die I'll burn in hell for eternity for my
sins. There. Feel better now? But, Jeeze Louise, please stop praying for
me-- can't you see that all your Christian kindness and love is just wasted
on lil ole evil me?
john - 09 Jan 2009 19:47 GMT
> On Jan 4, 11:04 pm, "Waterspider" <nos...@all.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Hi Waterspider,
No you are not a heathen, just an a.shole.Always were and always will
be.The real bummer is you look like a waterspider from the picture on
Elmo's site.It's not a pretty picture.Double bagger.LOLOLOLOLOL
john
Cody - 06 Jan 2009 12:15 GMT
eileen got on her high moral horse and spewed:

>> I am amazed at you people.
>> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Your name fits you to a T. Your sting is your own enemy, someday, you
> wil be sorry.

Ah, the threat of fire and brimstone. Shall we call you Rev. Wright?

> I have never met anyone like you. You show no virtue,
> good conduct or Morality. You have been the most hateful, foul-mouth,
> mean and ugliest person here on this and the old sister group.

How *Christian* of you.

> Yet you
> have always counted on me never to rip you a new one because I am a
> Christian, I have turned my cheek one to many times not answer this
> post.

No one is interested in your cheeks anymore, honey.

> Your problems go far deeper than you would admit yourself and
> there are many people who have been stung with your venum. I may be
> the only one who will post "My truth", but if they stood up like
> Chardonay9 and were honest, you would see those whom are afraid of
> your venum and maybe even those who don't mention you meaness here
> feel better.

Need a hankie?

> I know I won't bother awaiting you degrading reply, I
> will live what's left with prayers for you and your kind for a
> transformation or shame, whatever floats your boat.
> Signing out you hypocrite.
> KoJo you made me proud! Ta Ta

Hate to give you the bad news, dearie, but there is no god, Santa, Tooth
Fairy or Easter Bunny. It's all lies that are told to control the
ignorant masses (you).

Cody
Paul - 06 Jan 2009 14:21 GMT
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 13:15:59 +0100, Cody <mpcodyNUKE@gmailTHIS.com>,

>Hate to give you the bad news, dearie, but there is no god, Santa, Tooth
>Fairy or Easter Bunny. It's all lies that are told to control the
>ignorant masses (you).

So who put that coin under my pillow last year?
eileen - 06 Jan 2009 18:27 GMT
> eileen got on her high moral horse and spewed:
"Cody come down from your high you have the morals of the horse"

> >> I am amazed at you people.
> >> Here you are, most of you struggling with treatment and we all know that no
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> How *Christian* of you.
How Buddhist of you too!

> > Yet you
> > have always counted on me never to rip you a new one because I am a
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> Fairy or Easter Bunny. It's all lies that are told to control the
> ignorant masses (you).
Any adult can pick and choose what to believe, I thinks you protest
too much.
Good-bye little boyi, keep your greasy life just the way it is, it
provides much sympathy for you.

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Cody - 07 Jan 2009 12:11 GMT
eileen got on her high moral horse and spewed the following profanity:

>> eileen got on her high moral horse and spewed:
> "Cody come down from your high you have the morals of the horse"
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>> How *Christian* of you.
> How Buddhist of you too!

Yep.

>>> Yet you
>>> have always counted on me never to rip you a new one because I am a
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>>> feel better.
>> Need a hankie? Your the poo poo  catcher, arent' ya? Just grow up an myob.

Not at all. Where did you get that from?

>>> I know I won't bother awaiting you degrading reply, I
>>> will live what's left with prayers for you and your kind for a
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> Any adult can pick and choose what to believe, I thinks you protest
> too much.

Choosing to believe in a god that doesn't exist is pretty ignorant and
stupid.

> Good-bye little boyi, keep your greasy life just the way it is, it
> provides much sympathy for you.

Again, how *Christian* of you.

Cody
Dwight - 07 Jan 2009 22:52 GMT
> eileen got on her high moral horse and spewed the following profanity:
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>
> Cody

I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
stupid we are for believing in God. I don't try and force my beliefs on
you, why should you try to force your's on me. For the newer people,
this isn't a new issue, it is an old one that I thought we had matured
enough to put behind us. There are some things we will never agree on,
so let's move on. We've got a common enemy, let's concentrate on the
dragon slaying and quit trying to hurt each other.

Dwight
Thomas Wagner - 08 Jan 2009 20:54 GMT
>I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
>thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
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>so let's move on. We've got a common enemy, let's concentrate on the
>dragon slaying and quit trying to hurt each other.

Well... Eileen attacked WS pretty viciously, and then said she would
"pray for her". That looks a bit like a contradiction to me. But maybe
that's just me...

Thomas
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Dwight - 09 Jan 2009 03:22 GMT
>> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
>> thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
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>
> Thomas

Thomas, I wasn't talking about that. I didn't name names, I just don't
appreciate my beliefs being attacked. Eileen went after WS personally,
not her beliefs. Cody went after all Christians, which includes me. As I
said, I wasn't attacking or defending anyone, just wanting to state that
I don't appreciate my beliefs being put down. I thought this group had
evolved past that point, and I haven't given up on that hope. I wish
everyone here the best life they can have, it's too short to spend
bickering.

Dwight
Cody - 09 Jan 2009 12:42 GMT
>>> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or
>>> lack thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant
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> appreciate my beliefs being attacked. Eileen went after WS personally,
> not her beliefs. Cody went after all Christians, which includes me.

Heaven forbid one should attack beliefs instead of someone personally!
Your "logic" says that attacking someone like Eileen did is fine and
dandy along as you don't attack their religion. What a hypocrite you are!

 As I
> said, I wasn't attacking or defending anyone, just wanting to state that
> I don't appreciate my beliefs being put down. I thought this group had
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>
> Dwight

The history of Christianity is filled with bloodshed and war. Catholic
priests abuse young children. The Spanish Inquisition. Sin tax. The
Crusades and an endless list of etceteras. Can you name *anything* good
that has come out of Christianity? Your beliefs are erroneous and
dangerous, as are the beliefs of the Jewish, Hindu and Muslim religions.
They are set up to control sheep like you, Dwight, and you get offended
when they are shown to be what they are? And you better not question
your priest because he's got an invisible ally he can rely on that you
cannot question: god.

Cody
Sara - 09 Jan 2009 15:04 GMT
> >>> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or
> >>> lack thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant
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not going to debate all this with you Cody -- tho Dwight never said
that what Eileen did was OK.  I wish you'd find an appropriate
newsgroup for the views you stated above.

Hey WS -- I was really excited we were comin from the same place for
once.   Too bad a few diehards are not gonna let bygones be, eh?

ah well.  woulda/coulda been nice to go back to discussing Hep-C and
Hep-C related issues again, and maybe even finding new friends here
again....  not to mention reconnecting with some old ones.   Hurts my
heart that some folks are not gonna let it happen -- maybe it is time
to check out CJ's live chat site after all?

Hugs to those who want em....  Dwight your posts were right on.   Top
Cat and you other Heppers who want and need our support, keep in touch
-- many of us do care and we will do our best to be here for you when
you need us.

Sara
Cody - 09 Jan 2009 16:13 GMT
>>>>> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or
>>>>> lack thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant
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>
> not going to debate all this with you Cody --

Then why are you replying to me, then? Course the reason you're not
going to debate me is because you can't. How's your moderated Google
forum going? Lots of members?

Cody
Dwight - 10 Jan 2009 06:57 GMT
>>>> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or
>>>> lack thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how
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>
> Cody

Cody, you really need to learn to read. I never said it was OK for
Eileen to go after WS, I am staying out of that debate. What I asked was
that you quit attacking "MY" beliefs. I know that you don't believe in
God and I'm not going to try to change that, I would like to see you
change your mind, but I'm not going to be the one to try. What you have
described above is the history of mankind not just Christianity. There
are good and evil people of all beliefs, including atheist and Buddhist.
As far as being a so called sheep, what difference does that make to
you? I'm not sure why you hate religion so much, but can we just move on
and not group people together for the sake of hatred? I'm not offended
by your views of Christianity, I'm offended by the way you try to
express them. Everyone should know how we feel on the subject now, so
let's drop it. BTW, not all Christians have a priest.

Dwight
Cody - 10 Jan 2009 12:50 GMT
>>>>> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or
>>>>> lack thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how
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>
> Dwight

The religions today that believe in a god and control their members that
way are the root cause for ALL the wars in the world today. Funny thing
about you Christians: you always bring up your religion and then have a
hissy fit when someone criticizes it. If she had posted without the
Christian references, none of this would have happened.

Cody
john - 09 Jan 2009 19:53 GMT
> >> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
> >> thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
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Here here Dwight i agree with your post.
But screw Waterspider and Cody anyway.They both suck as
people...........
john
Sara - 09 Jan 2009 20:03 GMT
> > >> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
> > >> thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
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Geeze you guys....  all spidey wanted to do was to try to get folks
talking about hep-c again, without all this hostility and name calling
crap.  She didn't do anything to deserve the awful things that have
been aimed at her since her original post on this subject!   I think
someone may have misread what she said....   but go back and see that
she didn't do or say anything that would justify the responses she's
gotten in any of her recent posts!   I can't believe the anger and
ugliness I've seen cropping up in the last few days.  Like a couple
other posters, I'd thought/hoped we'd gotten past all this crap and
were ready to act like civilized adults again.

silly me
Sara
Cactus Jammies - 10 Jan 2009 16:53 GMT
"Sara" <norminfishbait@aol.com> wrote
Geeze you guys....  all spidey wanted to do was to try to get folks
talking about hep-c again, without all this hostility and name calling
crap.  She didn't do anything to deserve the awful things that have
been aimed at her since her original post on this subject!   I think
someone may have misread what she said....   but go back and see that
she didn't do or say anything that would justify the responses she's
gotten in any of her recent posts!   I can't believe the anger and
ugliness I've seen cropping up in the last few days.  Like a couple
other posters, I'd thought/hoped we'd gotten past all this crap and
were ready to act like civilized adults again.

silly me
Sara
////////////////////////////////////////////////
Well Sara, I take exception to the notion of prayer to a third-party God,
too.  And it makes me gag a bit, but I move on.  There are elements within
Buddhism that help one get past the attachment to the 'needs' that my idea
is right and someone else's is wrong.  And if you can get over the fact that
there will always be those types of distractions that seem to snag onto what
You Think defines you, then you can move on, too.  But it take practice and
perseverence as the Ego is very strong in most people.  That is why for
instance, people identify so strongly with having to be right; because they
make judgements that to them, make other people so very wrong.  But you
don't have to play that distractions game.

cheers
Cactus Jammies
topcat - 10 Jan 2009 23:19 GMT
> > >> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
> > >> thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
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John, you are way out of line bud,  put a lid on it.  Ever since I
came to this group, I had nothing but support from WS, Sara, on a lot
others.  It was Eileen who started this name calling and evoking
religion to back her up.  And I have no idea why she attacked WS.  WS
never said anything to her.  Maybe you guys should go debate religion
somewhere else.  I've personally seen more than my share of violence
done to people in the name of 'god', I grew up in a catholic
orphanage, beatings, sex abuse, you name it.  All you need to do is
turn on the tv and see the jews killing the palestinians, and the
shittes hate the muslims and it goes on and on.  At the same time,
i've seen atheists who were  some of the kindest human beings on the
planet.  I have friends who are christians, budhists and muslim.  so
it really doesn't have much to do with your religion as much as you as
a person.  So please, stop the name calling and put downs or go away.
last night was my shot, and today i'm sick again and you are making it
worse.  don't know if anyone else has this reaction, but i've found
that any emotional distress  really agravates this illness.
john - 11 Jan 2009 15:35 GMT
> > > >> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
> > > >> thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
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Topcat as far back as i can remember waterspider has been an
opinionated person on any subject.As far as religion i don't have any
strong believes in any one direction.People like Elmo,greyhackles etc.
on this group were postive sources of info unlike waterspider and cody
who are basically haters.I'm not into stressing you out Topcat sorry
about that, but my views on those two will never change.
topcat - 12 Jan 2009 04:42 GMT
> > > > >> I'm a Christian and have never put anyone down for their beliefs or lack
> > > > >> thereof. It does get tiring to hear someone tell us how ignorant and
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Hey John, it's ok, sorry to be pointing fingers myself.  Hope you are
well, and best to everyone else here.
TC
eileen - 06 Jan 2009 18:17 GMT
> "eileen" <samiamtwo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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No, When are your going to get real, or can't you.  I never said a
word to you about the words in your reply. That crap got old long ago
and you don't know didly about me, just because I'm a christian you
hate God, so then you hate me. What's with that, I never even above
told you that you were going to hell.  I just said you'd be sorry
someday, or have you never said sorry to someone for something they
said. What I was talking about was your personality Myrtle.
One minute your jumping down someones throat, next your kissing up
especialy after one of your rants.  You remind me much of Alan Palmer,
he was once a nice guy. I pity him, and you .
Your so quick to hide from the truth, too bad.  With your knowledge of
HCV you could help everyone, but you don't in fact I've seen people
stung by you.  Just take a few minutes to think about it, or better
yet, go back through some of your postings not your helpful ones but
your nasty ones.
And do me a favor, stop posting things about me, you know nothing
about where I've been, where I went and where I know to go.
Keep playing your games like someone who is in arrested development
and is crying to be led to adulthood.
eileen
 
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