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nospam - 21 Dec 2008 18:26 GMT
My Hepatologist said this was a decent score, can anyone expand on the
test?

thanks

The needle biopsy of liver is in two major fragments with a total length
of approximately 1 cm. Portions of four portal areas are identified,
several of which are widened by lymphoid proliferation. Intralobular
bile ducts are intact. Several portal regions have mild to moderate
interface hepatitis. Plasma cells are not abundant in the portal
regions. Within the lobule, there is a fairly normal cord pattern with
scattered foci of mononuclear cell aggregates typical of mild
hepatocellular necrosis. There is trace fatty change in a few fragments,
and a few hepatocytes have open (so-called metabolic) nuclei. No
stainable Iron is noted and the control is appropriatley positive. The
trichrome stain reveals a few areas suspicious for portal fibrous
expansion, but regenerative nodule formation is not noted. The
PAS-diastase reveals no cytoplasmic globules within hepatocytes. The
orcein stain is unremarkable and the control is appropriately positive.
PAS without diastase is noncontributory. The Knodell score: Periportal
necrosis score 3; Lobular inflammation score 3; Portal inflammation
score 3; Fibrosis score 1; Total score is 10. D/T: JRC/am: 7/18/05 TDC:
OK
greyhackles - 21 Dec 2008 21:57 GMT
>My Hepatologist said this was a decent score, can anyone expand on the
>test?
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>score 3; Fibrosis score 1; Total score is 10. D/T: JRC/am: 7/18/05 TDC:
>OK

From www.hcvadvocate.org/hepatitis/factsheets_pdf/grade_stage.pdf

Knodell
The Knodell score or histologic activity index (HAI) is also
commonly used to stage liver disease. It a somewhat more
complex process, but some experts believe that it is a better
tool for defining the extent of liver inflammation and damage.

It is composed of four individually assigned numbers that make
up a single score. The first component (perioportal and/or
bridging necrosis) is scored 0-10. The next two components
(intralobular degeneration and portal inflammation) are scored
0-4. The combination of these three markers indicates the
amount of inflammation in the liver:
0 = no inflammation
1-4 = minimal inflammation
5-8 = mild inflammation
9-12 = moderate inflammation
13-18 = marked inflammation

The fourth component indicates the amount of scarring in
the liver and is scored from 0 (no scarring) to 4 (extensive
scarring or cirrhosis).

---end of quote---

One problem with the Knowdell score is the "total" can describe a wide range
of actual conditions. Ie: one patient can have a "10" with a significant
degree of fibrosis, while another patient can also have a "10", but have much
less fibrosis, but higher degree of inflammation.

Thus, it is more useful to look at the four underlying metrics that make up
the Knowdell score than the rolled up total. On that basis, looking at your
minimal Fibrosis score, I'd say your hepatologist had fair cause to call this
a decent biopsy result.

That said, the degree of inflammation and portal necrosis are significantly
high. If you haven't tried treatment yet, this biopsy ought to get you off the
fence and into therapy. If therapy with the current standard failed you, you
should be doing everything possible to maintain your current status in the
hope that future therapies will prove successful.

Good luck

/greyhackles

Cheers

/greyhackles
nospam - 22 Dec 2008 00:09 GMT
[snip]

>If therapy with the current standard failed you, you should be doing
>everything possible to maintain your current status in the hope that future
>therapies will prove successful.

Yes, thanks, started the Peg-Intron with Ribavarin in 3/2002 for 46 weeks then
the doc stopped the treatment. After the above biopsy the Hepatologist
suggested trying the Peg-Intron with Ribavarin again, but I can't handle my
job and the treatment this time around so I'm waiting for the Telaprevir.

I stopped drinking about 16 years ago and I'm glad I did because I didn't even
know that I had HCV, otherwise my liver would probably be toast by now.

I'm on a high protein diet and exercise program and I feel great. I'm going
for my annual physical later this month.

I'm taking the workout supplement that contain the following:

Recovery Supplement with Niacin 7mg (3x per week)

Protein with Niacin 4mg and Iron 4mg (1x per day)

Hopefully that isn't to bad for the liver.

thanks
nospam - 27 Dec 2008 19:01 GMT
[snip]

>I'm taking the workout supplement that contain the following:
>Recovery Supplement with Niacin 7mg (3x per week)
>Protein with Niacin 4mg and Iron 4mg (1x per day)

How bad is Niacin for the Liver?

thanks
greyhackles - 27 Dec 2008 22:57 GMT
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>thanks

Apparently, not very, until one gets into some extremely high levels - like in
the *gram* realm.

Niacin is synthesized by the body from dietary proteins found in meats,
fruits, vegetables and grains (example: 4 ounces of cooked chicken will
produce almost 14 mg of Niacin, a handful of peanuts will produce almost 10
mg, and a small bowl of Cheerios 5 mg). Adding single-digit amounts to a
typical diet would seem to be nearing vanishing significance.

btw: Adding *Iron* to the diet of an HCV+ patient is usually contraindicated
by research...

Cheers

/greyhackles
 
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