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Otis T. - 16 Sep 2008 15:11 GMT
I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
million. Is that considered a tremendous amount or can people go much
higher?

He suggested treatment as he says I could have about a 70% chance of
clearing this. Is that correct?

Once treatment begins, how it is given? Is it like one shot a week? Do
you have to go into the doctors every week for it or do you get the
stuff at a pharmacy or what? I am new to this.

Once treatment begins, how bad is it and what are the side effects?
Also, at what point do they usually do blood work to see if the viral
load is going down?

Any other info I forgot to ask would be greatly appreciated and one
last question: are there any new treatments that are currently being
developed that look promising over the next few years or no?

Thanks,
A scared Otis.
Cactus Jammies - 16 Sep 2008 17:02 GMT
Hi Otis,
 A lot of answers depend on which genotype the virus is.  Is it 1a, 1b, 2 a
or b, 3, etc.

unfortuntely you have found right place for good answers, you can look in
hepatitis-central.com  too.

cactus jammies

>I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
> the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Thanks,
> A scared Otis.
Otis T. - 16 Sep 2008 17:34 GMT
I think I have 1a.

Otis

>Hi Otis,
>  A lot of answers depend on which genotype the virus is.  Is it 1a, 1b, 2 a
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>> Thanks,
>> A scared Otis.
Sara - 16 Sep 2008 18:06 GMT
>I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
> the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Thanks,
> A scared Otis.

Hi Otis

I think 4 million is a medium/high viral reading, but it doesn't seem that
bad to me, as I started out over 7 million.  My viral load quickly went down
once on treatment though, and by week 12 I was undetectable and stayed that
way for the rest of the treatment.

Treatment is a combo of interferon and ribavirin -- one shot a week of
interferon and ribavirin pills every day, how many depends on your weight
usually.   I took 6 a day, or 1200 mg.

With today's treatments, I think there is a good chance of clearing the
virus.  If you are a good responder, you'd probably be on treatment for 48
weeks.  Many are now staying on the meds for 72 weeks, and that seems to be
working for a lot of folks who are a little slower to respond to the meds.

There are some promising treatments in the works, but we all think they are
at least a couple years in the future yet.

The current treatment plan is tough -- they are very strong meds and they
definitely take their toll on your body.  Luckily most of the side effects
go away after you are done, and your body goes back to normal.    The side
effects can be brutal, but many many of us have gone there and are glad we
did as we are now virus free and feel like we have a whole new lease on
life -- energy, strength, and an appreciation that we didn't have before :))

My doctors worked very closely with me, helped me get through by providing
the meds I needed as things progressed (anti depressent, anti anxiety meds,
pain meds, meds to build up my red blood count, etc)   And we are here with
some practical advice to help with other side effects as needed, like
reminding you to  DRINK WATER, LOTS AND LOTS OF WATER!   plus lotions for
the itchy dry skin you'll develop, and so on.

It's doable -- and it's not as bad as cancer treatments.    I'd do it again
if I had to, and many of us have done it two or three times.   It's a life
changing experience, at least for the time you are treating the virus, but
IT'S WORTH IT

good luck, and let us know what you decide to do, ok?

OH, and please, ignore people like Chardonnay and IronJustice....   we tend
to draw more than our fair share of crackpots!  There are NO magic cures for
Hep-C, some herbal remedies help with other physical aspects caused by the
disease (but be sure to do your research because there are more BAD things
out there than good!)  but the bottom line is that, for right now at least,
only that combination of interferon and ribaviron can kill that dragon!

Sara
Otis T. - 16 Sep 2008 20:41 GMT
>>I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
>> the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
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>
>Sara

Hi Sara,
 Thank you so much for all your info. I really appreciate it. I am
going to the doctor in a few weeks. I will keep you posted on what
happens.
 Also, once treatment begins and this draggon is fighting for its
life, hopefully a losing battle, will the liver start to repair itself
or no?
 Also, thank you for the heads up on the crack pots within this NG. I
just ignore the crap as I have done for so long. It is people like you
that make it all worth while!

Thanks so much,
Otis
TX-012 - 17 Sep 2008 01:03 GMT
once treatment begins and this draggon is fighting for its
> life, hopefully a losing battle, will the liver start to repair itself
> or no?

Yes.

http://www.vicc.org/liver/treatments/regeneration.php
Sara - 17 Sep 2008 04:26 GMT
>>>I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
>>> the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
> Thanks so much,
> Otis

Re, Otis :)

Yes, my understanding is that your liver will start healing during treatment
and the battle with the dragon.   I remember one dr visit during TX where
the dr told mentioned something about new, pink healthy tissue growing to
replace the damaged stuff, so yeah, knock the daylights out of those viral
beasties and let that liver do some regenerating :)

take care, all my best to ya
Sara
TX-012 - 16 Sep 2008 21:54 GMT
> I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
> the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
> million. Is that considered a tremendous amount or can people go much
> higher?<<

It's considered towards the higher end, but your viral load is not an
indicator of either how damaged your liver is OR how well you will
respond to treatment.

> He suggested treatment as he says I could have about a 70% chance of
> clearing this. Is that correct?<<

I imagine it probably is, but it's hard to know without a lot more
information. Your statistical chance of clearing the virus varies
greatly, depending on genotype ("strain" of the virus), your age,
gender, race, how long you've had hep c for, whether or not you are
overweight, and many other things...

> Once treatment begins, how it is given? Is it like one shot a week? Do
> you have to go into the doctors every week for it or do you get the
> stuff at a pharmacy or what? I am new to this.<<

Most people inject themselves with a long lasting form of interferon
once per week, and take an oral medication (ribavirin) twice per day.
Depending on side effects, you may need to take other medications as
well, but not everyone experiences sides (like significant anemia, for
example) that necessitate those.

I get my interferon (Pegasys) and ribavirin (RibaPak) sent to me in a
cooler box via Fed Ex once per month (the interferon needs to be
refrigerated) along with two other drugs I need to inject to help me
deal with anemia and neutropenia. I get other medications from local
pharmacies.

> Once treatment begins, how bad is it and what are the side effects?
> Also, at what point do they usually do blood work to see if the viral
> load is going down?<<

Typically, your first blood draw is within 2-4 weeks after you start
treatment. Because some people experience severe anemia and/or
neutropenia as a result of treatment, I believe most doctors prefer to
do them about 2 weeks after the start of treatment---the earlier, the
better...

As far as how bad treatment is...uh...

I encourage you to read as many personal accounts as possible, watch
videos online, etc.

Short answer: "it varies."

I am really not sure what the "average" experience is like.

I have found treatment difficult beyond description, and my sides
include anemia, neutropenia, pain, memory problems, brain fog,
insomnia, depression, anxiety, etc.

> Any other info I forgot to ask would be greatly appreciated and one
> last question: are there any new treatments that are currently being
> developed that look promising over the next few years or no?<<

Yes. There are some very promising new drugs which should be on the
market within a few years. Telaprevir, for example.
topcat - 17 Sep 2008 05:21 GMT
> I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
> the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
>> A scared Otis.

Otis, Welcome Aboard!  I can relate to your signature; "scared".  I am
just over 6 months into treatment and when I found this group, I was
more than scared.  so stay in touch here, there's lots of good people
with a wealth of knowledge, watch for posts from Grey, Sarah, Cactus
and a whole lot more.
As for your viral load, sounds about average, I was 6 mil. when
diagnosed.  That's only 1/2 the equation tho.  How is your liver?  did
they do a biopsy? any level of scirosis?  I was lucky, I had no liver
damage.  At week 12 of tx. my viral load was "undetectable".  So,
keep us posted and we'll be there for you.
T.C.
Sara - 17 Sep 2008 06:37 GMT
On Sep 16, 8:11 am, Otis T. <ferrante276-ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
> the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
>> A scared Otis.

Otis, Welcome Aboard!  I can relate to your signature; "scared".  I am
just over 6 months into treatment and when I found this group, I was
more than scared.  so stay in touch here, there's lots of good people
with a wealth of knowledge, watch for posts from Grey, Sarah, Cactus
and a whole lot more.
As for your viral load, sounds about average, I was 6 mil. when
diagnosed.  That's only 1/2 the equation tho.  How is your liver?  did
they do a biopsy? any level of scirosis?  I was lucky, I had no liver
damage.  At week 12 of tx. my viral load was "undetectable".  So,
keep us posted and we'll be there for you.
T.C.

hey tc :)  how ya feelin?   you 'sound' good here, hope you're feeling
pretty decent!
6 months in already, unbelievable!  before you know it, you're gonna be one
of the 'old timers'
who have killed that dragon and is giving advice to the newbies :)

Sara
topcat - 20 Sep 2008 04:39 GMT
> On Sep 16, 8:11 am, Otis T. <ferrante276-ot...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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>
> Sara

Hi Sara, How are YOU doing?!  I think I finally "hit my stride",  my
body seems to have adjusted to the routine.  I finally accepted the
fact that I absolutely HAVE to drink 80oz. water a day, I've cut my
norco back to 1 tab every 4 hours, but only 3 per day, and eating
healthy, sleep lots, avoid stress.  I've managed to get some energy
back, I can actually do a little physical work around the house, I've
been triming bushes in the yard and even roto-tilled up a big patch of
weeds in preparation for laying sod next year.  Anyway, I have some
life after all.  I quit trying to do anti-d's none of them worked for
me.  anyway, nuff on me.  You take care!!
TC
Paul - 17 Sep 2008 23:36 GMT
On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:11:00 -0400, Otis T.
<ferrante276-otist@yahoo.com>, in message ID
<a9fvc41mrh8js5j58pmn5jo92l7m1ehfen@4ax.com>, in the newsgroup
alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>I went to the doctors yesterday and he did some blood work to see what
>the viral load is thus far with my Hep C. It came back about 4
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>Thanks,
>A scared Otis.

Hiya.
You've found a good place to ask this stuff.  The people on this NG
are, for the most part, very well informed.  I don't think I can add
much really to what's been said.  I got very lucky in the hep-c
lottery really.  I had a genotype 2b which meant 24 weeks tx and only
2 x 2 ribavirins per day - in spite of being very overweight.  I also
had one of the lowest viral loads that I've heard of - around 91,000.
However, this did not let my liver off the hook as I had a fair bit of
damage (stage 2 grade 3).  Your 4 million sounds marginally at the
high end of average.
I don't know how the 70% figure was arrived at.  If you have geno 1a,
the odds of clearing are usually pitched a bit lower than that around
50%ish but as has been said, a lot depends on your individual
circumstances.
There are medicines in the pipeline such as Telepravir which I
understand might mean a shorter tx with an improved clearance rate.
There are also interferons (such as Albuferon) that may only need to
be injected 2-weekly and possibly 4-weekly.  I don't think these have
come through final testings yet though I may be a bit behind the
times.  The less frequent interferons are said to reduce side effects
a bit.
As for the side effects - you just don't know what you will get.  I
had a bumpy first two weeks then it settled for a while.  Around 16
weeks it became a real drudge and I was persistently bad tempered.
However, I was very grateful that I suffered no sleep loss (as some
do) and that my skin didn't itch at all.  Indeed, I slept wonderfully
on tx and was thankful for that because by sleeping well, it helped me
cope with the other stuff tx threw at me.
It can be unpleasant but it's doable.
You may be lucky.  Some people get very few side effects - but don't
bet on it.
I really just want to offer encouragement.
Forgot to mention.  I cleared the virus at my one and only attempt.
dBo - 18 Sep 2008 21:02 GMT
Yes, welcome aboard our little ship Otis. Sorry you have to be here,
but you have come to a Good Place :)

I don't know that I can add much to what has already been said by the
others, but I started out with a viral load of around 6 mill, type 1a,
biopsy showed stage 3, level 3 inflamation, so treatment was not a
question.

The good news is that I made it out the other side, virus free, one
time around, 48 weeks of treatment. Going for my 2 year follow up soon
still keeping the fingers crossed, so I guess the "scared" part never
quite goes away. I too was "scared sh*tless", I guess we can all
relate. But I've never been one to back down from ANYTHING so onward I
went....

My best suggestion is to do a lot of searching of the newsgroup for
past postings, you can get lot of good information and feedback that
way.

Best of luck with this, stick around, you can get a lot of good info,
feedback, and empathy around here, as we have all been thru it. Yes,
treatment can be tough, it was for me, but what the heck I
survived! :) One Day At a Time fella!

~deb
Otis T. - 19 Sep 2008 22:47 GMT
Thanks to everyone who has responded. While I do read all these posts,
I am really scared and try not to think about it. I have an
appointment at the end of this month and will keep everyone posted on
what goes on.

I saw this doctor once before and he said he wanted me to get an OK
from my eye doctor as some people experience eye problems with
treatment that cannot be reversed. Anyone know anything about this.
Also, I am quite overweight. How bad will that lessen my chances of
slaying the draggon? Please do not ask how much, just know it is quite
a bit and I am embarrassed by it.

Thanks,
Otis
Sara - 20 Sep 2008 00:13 GMT
> Thanks to everyone who has responded. While I do read all these posts,
> I am really scared and try not to think about it. I have an
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Thanks,
> Otis

Hi Otis

I also had to see an eye dr before treatment.   I just had an eye exam again
a couple months ago and she said my eyes are very healthy, so obviously TX
did not do any damage to my eyes.

I was also quite a bit overweight when I started TX -- I'd love to lose
about 70 lbs!    I did lose about 20 lbs during tx, but I gained it back
right after!    I'm back down 15, need some motivation to work at losing
some more but that's another issue :)

They did say that the extra weight was a strike against me, but I did clear
the virus.   I didn't worry too much about the things that were supposed to
lower my chances (I had it for probably 30+ yrs, I was overweight) and just
made up my mind to do what I was supposed to do and take care of myself as
well as I could and hope for the best.   It worked for me :)

just remember to let your dr know if there is ANYTHING different for you
during tx. I have heard of people having to stop because it started
affecting their eyes, but not many of us so I think it's fairly rare.

Sara
TX-012 - 20 Sep 2008 01:31 GMT
> Thanks to everyone who has responded. While I do read all these posts,
> I am really scared and try not to think about it. I have an
> appointment at the end of this month and will keep everyone posted on
> what goes on.

It's okay to be scared. Being scared may not be fun, but it won't
prevent you from DOING what you need to do to treat your hepatitis c.
During the past 51 weeks I've certainly experienced fear, pain,
exhaustion, depression, anxiety, you name it. Fun? No! Has it stopped
me from sticking with treatment? Abso-frigging-lutely NOT.
Paul - 20 Sep 2008 04:57 GMT
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:47:18 -0400, Otis T.
<ferrante276-otist@yahoo.com>, in message ID
<6978d41h9fd5bl9vj8goopacnni2v60608@4ax.com>, in the newsgroup
alt.support.hepatitis-c wrote:

>Thanks to everyone who has responded. While I do read all these posts,
>I am really scared and try not to think about it. I have an
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>Thanks,
>Otis

I'm very overweight too but managed to waddle my way through tx.  At
least the doctor didn't ask me when the baby was due.
As for the eye situation, they didn't even bother checking on that
with me.  If they had, they would have discovered that I am nearly
blind in one eye due to retinal damage that occurred in my early
teens.  I didn't tell them about it in case they refused me tx.  I did
experience marginally poorer eyesight in the first few weeks of tx.
Not sure if it improved or if I just got used to it though (I already
needed glasses by then anyway).  I did get a watery eye on the damaged
one while on tx.  It was quite irritating.  My GP misdiagnosed it as a
blocked tear duct.  However, it turned out to be blepharitis.  Not
harmful and easily treated.  Four years on from tx I do get flare ups
of it but I just treat it for a few days and it goes away again - for
anything between a few weeks to up to a year.  No special medicine is
needed to treat the symptoms.
 
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