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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / June 2008foods to avoid?
Hey all, I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid (besides alchohol). I got the usual "oh thats easy... yada yada" and here I am a couple of months later asking my self what she said. First on the list was Oysters - or maybe that wasn't first but I was focusing on that since I had just had some a couple of days before. So, I've been getting this killer deal on cherries, which I don't usually bother with but they are a favorite around here and I've been eating a lot of them when it occured to me that maybe there was a conversation associated with them and staying away from them? Maybe I'm just tripping. What kinds of foods are a bad idea when you've got HepC? Kyle J. > Hey all, > I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kyle J. Never heard about cherries! That's a new one. I have heard about *clear* fruit juices being good--stay away from too much citrus, for instance. I really think the whole key is moderation where nutritious foods are concerned.. Oysters and shellfish make sense because they aren't exactly the cleanest food on the planet. My single biggest thing is fat, any kind of fat. The less of it I eat, the less I itch and the better I feel. Then again, tonight I had a nice t-bone. <sigh> Can't be good all the time. >Hey all, > I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Kyle J. http://www.christopherhobbs.com/website/herbal/hep_c/nat_liver_therapy_excerpts/ 10_foods_to_use_and_avoid.html http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1T4IRFA_enUS258US258&pws t=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=foods+to+avoid+hepatitis&spell=1 Cool - Thanks for the link. Like I said, I may have just been tripping on the cherry thing. My doc says a bacteria in raw oysters can kill sombody with HCV where anybody else would be fine. Kinda looking for a definitive "don't" list to review along the way. That link was good. I wonder if all peppers are a bad idea? Capsicum (contained in some pepper varieties) is supposed to be good for your stomach lining and and an overall health benefit. I'm a fan of Ceyanne peppers. Be a shame to have to abstain... Kyle J. >>Hey all, >> I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&rlz=1T4IRFA_enUS258US258&pws t=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=foods+to+avoid+hepatitis&spell=1 > What kinds of foods are a bad idea when you've got HepC? > > Kyle J. Steatosis can complicate treatment for liver problems. Steatosis is also known as fatty liver. It plugs up your liver. High glycemic indexed foods are a no no. starches and heavy fats, or sugar. No to MacDonalds. Fries are a big NO. http://leisureguy.wordpress.com/2007/10/29/high-glycemic-foods-implicated-in-liv er-problems/ http://www.naturalnews.com/022480.html http://www.the-lifestyle-doctor.com/GlycemicIndex.shtml - cactus jammies Well you didn't specify if you are on Tx - just having Hep C If you are on Tx, my answer become much simpler. Eventually, Anything you can put in your mouth, without it burning like hell, manage to swallow, and actually keep down. I called it the Ice Cream Sandwich Diet....;) > What kinds of foods are a bad idea when you've got HepC? I'll take "Foods Which Make You Vomit" for $1000, Alex. > > What kinds of foods are a bad idea when you've got HepC? > > I'll take "Foods Which Make You Vomit" for $1000, Alex. On tx, that is. If you merely have hep c...well, then it depends on the state of your liver... > On Jun 11, 4:25 pm, "Kyle J." <greyangel...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > What kinds of foods are a bad idea when you've got HepC? > > I'll take "Foods Which Make You Vomit" for $1000, Alex. On tx, that is. If you merely have hep c...well, then it depends on the state of your liver... ............................................. I think it would be a good idea if there was a small-circumference permanent shaft bored into your liver so the doctors could use some kind of techy dipstick to check your liver's lividity from time to time. No more four hour waits in recovery. I can't think of a food that makes me vomit so that must mean : 1) My liver was ok during tx. and 2) that's why I have Steatosis. cactus jammies ~~~~~~~~~~ >> On Jun 11, 4:25 pm, "Kyle J." <greyangel...@comcast.net> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > cactus jammies ~~~~~~~~~~ Hmm, I'm not on the TX yet (what's the translation for TX anyway?). I was only referring to foods that may be hard on your liver and there for an undue burden on an already burdened system. Since I'm supposed to loose my body fat prior to TX, I'm already staying away from concentrations of fat and carbs. Potatoes were the first thing I decided to dump. Pasta is strictly limited. Never was much for sugar and my version of candy is fresh fruit. Lots of fresh fruit this time of year :-) It'll be salsa season here shortly. I'll be going in for the biopsy soon. I'm supposed to get scheduled this month or next. After that then we'll discuss treatment. Typically, a month can go by between appointments so I'm figuring it might be three more months before I actually get to the treatment. I'm hoping to get in a good summer with my family before things get tough. Kyle J. >>> On Jun 11, 4:25 pm, "Kyle J." <greyangel...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Kyle J. TX means "treatment", not "Texas" :-) Cody > Hmm, I'm not on the TX yet (what's the translation for TX anyway?). I > was only referring to foods that may be hard on your liver and there for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kyle J. Good foods for your liver: (http://www.epicureantable.com/articles/aindulged.htm) Foods for your liver health: vegetables - artichoke, Jerusalem artichoke, beetroot, broccoli, , cabbage, dandelion, fennel, onions and garlic, parsley, radish, turnips Fruits - apple and pears, avocado, banana, grapefruit, grapes, lemons, papaya, pineapple, watermelon and fibre in any vegetable/fruit form. Other - whole grains, lentils, chickpeas, red kidney beans, linseed ............................................... You might be surprised to see beets (beetroot) on the list. I have researched foods beneficial for liver function quite a bit, and it never disappears. It may have higher than average dietary iron in it, but unless you're having a problem with iron elimination, my understanding is that beets are far more beneficial than the iron they contain. But it is always a good practice when mixing folk and natural cleansing and healing with pharmaceuticals to do your own research. Artichokes are number one on most lists I've seen. My top four veggies are: Artichokes, beets, broccoli and garlic. And whole grains, lowest carb count possible on the box if I have to eat boxed cereal (eat your breakfast!). I like the sounds of your diet, I was born and raised in orchard country and would come home with dark red cherry stains on my tee shirt quite often. And a belly ache from eating green peaches. Sit in the trees like a bear, feeding. You have to make sure your gall bladder works ok before you start stimulating production of bile, which is a key liver-cleanser, among other things. I am hoping that it will reduce the state of steatosis in my liver. No doctor will be able to tell me definately that stimulating bile does this. I have seen information about it on the internet, but have lost track of the links. Bile salts are stored in your skin (they are recycled) when you have temporary liver problems. This causes jaundice. I use milk thistle capsules and reishi mushroom extract capsules to keep my bile working ok, even though I do have gall stones. Here is just one of many links from google phrase "Steatosis low glycemic index" it's about mice, but when it comes to Insulin Resistance, Steatosis and storing fat, I think it is safe to say that most mammals and humans have fairly similar constitutions. Do your own reseach (not meaning to be rude, but it does make you feel a bit more in control, good for your head) http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070921130735.htm hope this helps, good luck with the treatment kick the piss out of the dragon, don't eat french fries.... Cactus jammies On Jun 13, 9:52 am, "Cactus Jammies" <cactusjamm...@retinal.circus.orb> wrote: don't eat french fries.... > Cactus jammies Nausea, pain, anemia, depression, insomnia, vanished libido, brain fog, neutropenia, rashes...etc... these things I can deal with. But NO FRENCH FRIES??????? Danny<------places gun in mouth Lots of cool information there. Going to take a couple of days to digest it (Ok, pun intended). I like most of those vegetables and eat the more common ones all the time. Did a lot of my growing up in artichoke country and have always been a fan. I worked for a farmer just out of high school who grew Jeruselem artichokes (yeah, not really an artichoke). They were a really good root that was great raw on salads and good boiled like potatoes too. Never saw them again in later years though. They are a hell of an easy crop to grow and produce a lot of food per square foot of ground. You mentioned them so I assume you are getting them somewhere? I've thought of trying to order some off the internet so I could get some started in my garden. I always wondered why they aren't a regular staple in the stores. Not like they have a taste you only like if you grew up with them. Yep. French fries are evil. We do do some deep frying around my house but the canola oil is fresh and its generally vegetables or chicken. We've got a new rule around the house. If we want a hamberger we ride the bicycles 4 miles across town to get them and then have to ride back home after. I can't really say I've changed my diet all that much but I've always ate pretty healthy anyway. Just fine tuning the do's and don'ts a bit. Thanks! Kyle J. >> Hmm, I'm not on the TX yet (what's the translation for TX anyway?). I >> was only referring to foods that may be hard on your liver and there for [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > > Cactus jammies > Hey all, > I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Kyle J. Red meat isn't doing you any favours, nor is grease. If you consider alcohol a food group, nix that too. >> Hey all, >> I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Red meat isn't doing you any favours, nor is grease. > If you consider alcohol a food group, nix that too. Since living in SE Asia, I've tried to avoid dung beetles and monkey brains as well. Just in case you're tempted. Thom >>> Hey all, >>> I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > brains as well. Just in case you're tempted. > Thom I've heard that the big problem with dung beetles is in the preparation... avoid deep fat and pan frying; steamed and served over a bed of rice is much healthier ;-) Aw, the monkey brains... the most disturbing scene in Faces of Death. Nice to hear from you, Thom, hope all is well. Spidey >>>> Hey all, >>>> I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should avoid [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Nice to hear from you, Thom, hope all is well. > Spidey WS, you're one of the few other people I've heard from that have seen those movies. I agree, that was a very disturbing scene. Dwight (I don't say much, but I'm still around) >>>>> Hey all, >>>>> I asked the doc for a list of foods drinks and things I should [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Dwight (I don't say much, but I'm still around) Haven't seen the movies - can't imagine they'd capture the smell and sounds of the real thing. Spidey - you never cease to amaze me. Anyone in the know will agree that steaming is the way to go with dung beetles (well, their larvae actually). Still, if I have a choice.... Thom From : "Waterspider" <nospam@all.com> Message-ID : <HJmdnbjH0Nre7cTVnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@posted.deltacablecommunications> >I've heard.. SNIP You gossip too much waterspout, you need to take up a some kinda gentle indoor.hobbie -- HPVTS.OA.Tinfoil Sombrero God.Bless AUK for my award > From : "Waterspider" <nospam@all.com> > Message-ID : [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > You gossip too much waterspout, you need to take up a some kinda gentle > indoor.hobbie Why am I not surprised that you surfaced in the Dung Beetle conversation? And we spell it with a "y" (not "ie") in Canada, as in h-o-b-b-y. Either way, couldn't find the group. Best regards, Your ever-so-gentle irritation of the day. > Red meat isn't doing you any favours, nor is grease. > If you consider alcohol a food group, nix that too. One of the last conversation bits I had with my doc was loosing a whole bunch of weight prior to TX. I've been eating mostly vegetables and meat while I'm trying to dump the weight. Beef, pork, chicken, some sushi. Olive oil is the "grease" of choice but I do get some pork fat. Except for my morning bowl of frosted miniwheats carbs are strictly in small amounts occasionally and never potatoes. Not sure how to completely drop red meat or pork and still find things to live on. Got to have some variety. Never even considered alcohol to be staple much less a food group. Getting told I could'nt drink was like being told not to stub my toe. Not a problem most days. I used to get drunk once or twice a year just for GP. Kinda sucked though, I'd just laid my hands on a high dollar bottle of Wild Turkey Honey licquer after looking for the stuff for at least a year. I barely cracked the seal on it before finding out about the dragon and my new life as a Warrior Monk. I'm hoping someday I'll be able to take that bottle down and have a couple of glasses. Anybody else touches it and they loose the hand. Kyle J. |
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