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A 'NEW NORMAL': LIFE AFTER HEPATITIS

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TX-012 - 10 Apr 2008 20:25 GMT
I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I
was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24
weeks. For most people in the US, 48 weeks, for some lucky souls, 24
weeks, and for those whom The Gods Wish To Punish (ahem), 72 weeks.

Apr. 10, 2008
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

A 'NEW NORMAL': LIFE AFTER HEPATITIS

Despite fear of unknown when diagnosed, patients prove that surviving
the disease possible

By JOHN PRZYBYS
REVIEW-JOURNAL
Debra Fox knew something was wrong.

She felt tired. The wound from her recent surgery wasn't healing well.
And, worst of all, her urine had taken on a brownish color.

Fox, who had worked in the mental health care field and also as a
medical transcriptionist, did some research. And, soon, tests by her
doctor would prove her suspicions correct.

Hepatitis C. Contracted, Fox suspects, through hospital error during a
surgery she had a few months earlier.

About 12 weeks ago, Fox completed a 42-week course of treatment for
hepatitis, a regimen that pretty much trashed her 2007. It was
exhausting, physically and emotionally grueling, and, in every way,
life-changing.

But, so far, it seems to have worked. And while the 48-year-old knows
her life will never be as it was before -- she calls her post-
treatment life "the new normal" -- she hopes that talking about her
experience can help to calm the fears of at least some of those
Southern Nevadans who are waiting to learn whether hepatitis treatment
lies in their futures, too.

It has been more than a month since a cluster of hepatitis C cases was
traced back to valley endoscopy clinics where syringes and single-use
vials of anesthetics were used improperly. Now, more than 40,000
people are awaiting word on the results of HIV and hepatitis tests
and, along the way, probably learning more about hepatitis than they
ever cared to know.

Hepatitis is a viral disease that attacks the liver, causing
inflammation and, in some cases, liver damage, cirrhosis and cancer.
There are five varieties of hepatitis -- A, B, C, D and E -- and the
viruses that cause it can be transmitted by contact with infected
blood or stool. Infection could result from eating contaminated food
or drinking contaminated water; getting tattoos, piercings or medical
procedures done with nonsterile equipment; through sexual activity; or
intravenous drug use.

It's those last two that have fueled public misunderstanding about
hepatitis. Even in many news reports, says Robert Barone, an
infectious disease therapist who facilitates hepatitis C support
groups at the Community Counseling Center, "it makes it sound like
most people who have it are IV drug users. As a result, a stigma has
arisen very similar to what we went through back in the '80s with
HIV."

"I've seen an awful lot of people in the support group here in the
last four or five years, and I think if 10 people out of maybe 200 or
300 were IV drug users, I'd be surprised," he adds.

Barone is, himself, a hepatitis survivor. In 1970, after being
involved in an auto accident in Europe, Barone was transfused with
several units of hepatitis B-infected blood, "and I didn't realize it
for almost a year."

Back in the States, Barone underwent a liver biopsy. "They told me I
had six or eight months to get my affairs in order," he recalls. "My
family kind of freaked. It took me almost two years to believe that I
wasn't going to die."

That's not an unusual reaction, says Evelyn McKnight, founder of
HONOReform, a patient advocacy group. McKnight contracted hepatitis C
in 2001 while being treated for cancer.

"I think whenever you get some health news that is unfavorable, you
run through all the possibilities, including the worst-case scenario,"
McKnight says.

Fox was diagnosed with acute hepatitis C (meaning a short-term, as
opposed to a chronic, or long-term, infection) in January 2007. The
previous November, she underwent surgery to remove an ovarian cyst,
and she believes she was infected with hepatitis by unclean equipment
used during the procedure. (Her lawsuit against the hospital is
pending.)

Fox says she was healthy and physically active -- she'd even run her
first marathon -- before the hepatitis diagnosis. When the news came,
she was both shocked and crushed.

"I said, 'You've got to be kidding me,' " says Fox, who describes
herself as "the original goody two-shoes. In other words, no risk
factors."

"I'm not a weeper," Fox adds. "I wept."

"That first weekend, I thought: I'm dead. I won't be able to have sex.
I'm a pariah."

It also crossed Fox's mind that some people would think the worst of
her, because so many consider hepatitis as "that druggie prostitute
disease."

Fox and her husband have been married for 15 years. Unlike some who
undergo the long, grueling course of hepatitis treatment, their
marriage survived. But the ripple effects of having, and battling, the
disease affected every facet of her life.

"It's not just your marriage," Fox says. "It's your children. It's
your insurance coverage now and in the future. It's your employment.
It's what is your extended family going to think and what are your
friends going to think."

Fox began treatment in March 2007 with daily ribavirin pills and
weekly interferon injections. According to the U.S. Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention, that combination of drugs is the
treatment of choice for hepatitis C and can rid patients of the virus
in five to eight out of 10 people.

However, the treatment also can bring severe side effects. Fox
understood going in that the side effects can range from mild to
moderate to significant. "I had the worst side effects," she says.

"The side effects were as bad as anything I've ever experienced in my
entire life, including back surgery," says Fox, who describes them as
akin to having severe flu compounded by "the worst hangover you've
ever had."

"That first night I remember I was shaking. I had chills. And you
think, 'I'm going to die.' "

But, Fox adds, "the caveat here is: It's different for every single
person who undergoes it. There are not a lot of generalities."

Nor did Fox ever reconsider her decision to undergo treatment,
figuring then and now that it offered "my best good chance" to beat
hepatitis.

A few months into treatment, Fox lost her job in the information
technology industry. The regimen left her unable to do the traveling
the job required and, Fox says, the constant fatigue and "brain fog"
the drugs caused made it difficult to concentrate and to remember
things.

"All of a sudden, I became physically fragile after being robust," Fox
says. "Nausea. No appetite. You can't even carry on the activities of
your life."

Barone was out of work for 10 years after receiving his hepatitis B
diagnosis. "The first two years I was pretty much bedridden," he says.
"At the time, there was no treatment, really." (Today, several drugs
can be used to treat chronic hepatitis B.)

At the time, Barone was a contract worker for the federal government.
But, during treatment, he lost his health insurance, "so you can just
imagine my medical bills over a 10-year period."

Hepatitis treatment also can be mentally and emotionally difficult. In
fact, Fox says, doctors often prescribe antidepressants to patients
before they begin it.

"The depression the first two years was monstrous," Barone says. "It
was just awful."

But that began to change when, oddly enough, Barone started to become
angry.

"The person who cut my hair wouldn't cut my hair anymore," he says.
"My dentist wouldn't see me anymore. A couple of family members
wouldn't come to the house anymore. A couple of friends -- ex-friends,
I call them -- wouldn't come near me because they thought I was
contagious."

And, Barone says, "I saw what it was doing to my family members and
people who cared for me."

Ultimately, Barone says, "anger helped in that I got my a.s out of bed
and I started doing things that I didn't think I could do because, the
first two years, I was in bed most of the time. I was weak, so I
didn't have much choice.

"Anger certainly helps, because it motivates you," Barone says.

And, Barone adds, "the most important thing was: I survived." Just as
importantly, Barone says it was his bout with hepatitis B that led him
into his career in counseling.

Fox completed her course of treatment almost 12 weeks ago. Tests so
far reveal good news, although she's still feeling the effects of the
rigorous drug therapy.

"Things take a long time to recover," Fox says. "I still have the
brain fog and I still have memory recovery problems."

She also suffered kidney problems and now may have developed
rheumatoid arthritis because of the treatment.

Mentally, Fox says, "my biggest problem with handling the post-
treatment stuff is, it's very slow. I was always a Type A (driven
personality) and I can't be a Type A anymore."

But, as of now, "I'm still undetectable for the (hepatitis) virus,"
she says. "Hopefully, I'm still going to be undetectable."

Does that mean she's cured? Some doctors consider favorable tests six
months later as a cure, "but some don't," Fox says.

Barone has been free of hepatitis since 1981. But, he notes, "I still
can't donate blood."

"We put 'cured' in quotation marks," Barone says. "So it's a matter of
semantics, and how you interpret that word."

Barone urges those who have, or fear they may have, hepatitis to,
first, "take the time to educate themselves and ask the right
questions."

Then, Barone says, they should understand that "you can lead a fairly
normal life, whatever 'normal' means. But some people will give in to
it and think of themselves as sick all the time."

Like Barone, Fox now works with hepatitis support groups, sharing her
experience with them. "If a single person feels better as a result of
talking to me, then it's worth it," she says.

It's easy "to feel sorry for myself and be scared about the
circumstances," she says. "You hear people say, 'I'm going to have a
biopsy. I'm terrified.' Well, don't be terrified until you need to be,
and most of the time it turns out you don't need to be."

Barone, even now, has two papers handy that he shares with clients.
One is the written report confirming his hepatitis B test results. The
other is the report 10 years later in which "they pronounced me
cured."

"I have both of those with me," Barone says. "The reason I carry them
is, I show them to people who are very depressed and upset. When they
see what I went through and how I survived it, it gives them a lot of
hope."
Terry - 11 Apr 2008 00:00 GMT
>I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I
>was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Apr. 10, 2008
>Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

The city that is still giving people Hepatitis in 2007

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/16395201.html

Six cases of acute hepatitis, a potentially deadly virus that attacks
the liver, have been traced to the center. Nearly 40,000 patients have
been notified that they are at risk and should be tested for hepatitis
B and C and HIV.

The clinic has been temporarily closed and fined $3,000.

Health officials believe the virus was spread when clinic nurses used
the same syringe twice to administer anesthesia, contaminating the
vial. The staff also was found treating multiple patients with vials
of medication intended for a single patient only.
Waterspider - 11 Apr 2008 22:48 GMT
I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I
was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24
weeks. For most people in the US, 48 weeks, for some lucky souls, 24
weeks, and for those whom The Gods Wish To Punish (ahem), 72 weeks.

Yeah, somebody goofed. She's prolly 42 years old too.
Poorly written article.
TX-012 - 12 Apr 2008 01:49 GMT
> I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I
> was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Yeah, somebody goofed. She's prolly 42 years old too.
> Poorly written article.

I emailed the writer and he replied:

"Hi --
 Legal and ethical considerations prevent me from discussing
information that isn't included in a story. But 42 weeks is correct.
 Thanks for your note ...
John

John Przybys
Features Writer
The Las Vegas Review-Journal
(702) 383-0280"

Um. I'm not entirely satisfied with that response. WHY did she quit
early, if she did? That might be a story in itself...
greyhackles - 12 Apr 2008 02:13 GMT
>> I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I
>> was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>Um. I'm not entirely satisfied with that response. WHY did she quit
>early, if she did? That might be a story in itself...

The answer could be as simple as either the patient or the author making an
error.

Besides, it's not all *that* interesting, as she was still in the acute phase.

Anyway....the failings of the article are many - particularly the melding
together pretty much all known forms of viral hepatitis, as if they were
interchangeable. It all went quickly down the tubes from there...

Cheers

/greyhackles
Cindy - 12 Apr 2008 13:16 GMT
As someone who is going to begin treatment in a month, that story made
my heart sink.
Cindy
TX-012 - 12 Apr 2008 17:24 GMT
> As someone who is going to begin treatment in a month, that story made
> my heart sink.
> Cindy

Relax, it's only INDESCRIBABLE AGONY. Nothing to worry about!

;)

And hey---you can be like Gregg Allman!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23847506/

Danny<------on tx for 197 days. And counting...
Kozure Ookami - 15 Apr 2008 21:41 GMT
>As someone who is going to begin treatment in a month, that story made
>my heart sink.
>Cindy

Don't let that happen.  You may find it goes much better for you.  You
know, I never had a single headache or any nausea throughout treatment
and it seemed odd that others complained of that.  But drugs do affect
people differently.  For some people taking an aspirin tablet would
kill them or cause serious health problems.   People who have a rough
time on treatment are much more vocal than those who don't.  There's
no way to know how it will go for you until you take the plunge.  For
most of us it is doable though not the most pleasant way to spend 6
months to a year or so.  Ditching the hepatitis c virus is pretty
sweet though.  

Don
Cindy - 19 Apr 2008 17:15 GMT
>Don't let that happen. You may find it goes much
> better for you. You know, I never had a single
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Ditching the hepatitis c virus is pretty sweet
> though.

>Don

Thank you for saying that.... It's the unknown.....what's going to
happen to me......

I haven't posted much here yet, since I haven't started treatments
yet....but reading here has been interesting.
I'll be posting more soon...life is hectic for me now....tc,
Cindy
debvegas - 23 Apr 2008 04:49 GMT
TX-012...Nope they did not goof.  I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally
developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which
was interesting because i had normal ultrasounds prior to tx) and thus Dr.
Gish pulled me off the treatment.

Just to help the woman posting down below, my side effect profile was in the
top 10 percent of yuck.  Most folks really don't go to those side effect
"places" in the way that I did.  Might have something to do with the acute
thing.  I'm 48, TX....

>> I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I
>> was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>Um. I'm not entirely satisfied with that response. WHY did she quit
>early, if she did? That might be a story in itself...
TX-012 - 23 Apr 2008 06:49 GMT
> TX-012...Nope they did not goof.  I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally
> developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> "places" in the way that I did.  Might have something to do with the acute
> thing.  I'm 48, TX....

Thanks. The author goofed bigtime by not mentioning the WHY. Two
questions:
1) Were the kidney problems clearly tx related? If so, what caused
them?
2) How do you rate yourself in terms of side effect profile/%/yuck? Is
there so chart one can look at (seriously)?

I wonder about myself, and where I fit in relative to my peers<g>. I'm
on 60,000 IU of EPO per week, taking NEUPOGEN 2xweek, on 120 Vicodin
ES/month, on 30mgs temazepam/night, on occassional NSAIDs...and so on.
It still effing sucks.
debvegas - 23 Apr 2008 20:35 GMT
TX: Actually, John at the RJ told me about your message ....but i didn't want
to post on the RJ site because of my ongoing lawsuit...The reason John didn't
mention WHY is because he felt that it would impact my suit negatively, so he
really was looking out for me. Plus he felt those details were too private.

Kidney problems were clearly tx related.....i had a normal kidney u/s prior
to treatment and for a little bit into tx and there was no hydronephrosis or
stones until BOOM, there was a 1 cm stone and the swelling. No one can be
specific about the mechanism of the tx that caused them, but the urologist
said she had seen folks on antivirals and IFN who developed these and then
they went away after the drugs were stopped. I was going to lose the kidney
eventually if it did not calm down. PLUS post treatment, I've developed some
sort of autoimmune disorder similar to lupus which was caused by the IFN.

There is no chart that i know of for side effect profiles. Dr. Gish's office
simply said I was in the top ten percent of side effects for most of TX for
those who still kept going....i had to take a lot of "support" type drugs but
no anemia rescue drugs. I also had about nine courses of antibiotics because
of the immunomediation effects.

From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5
point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that
and i started at 17 so i was still in the clear at 12.

Deb

>> TX-012...Nope they did not goof.  I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally
>> developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>ES/month, on 30mgs temazepam/night, on occassional NSAIDs...and so on.
>It still effing sucks.
debvegas - 23 Apr 2008 20:35 GMT
TX: Actually, John at the RJ told me about your message ....but i didn't want
to post on the RJ site because of my ongoing lawsuit...The reason John didn't
mention WHY is because he felt that it would impact my suit negatively, so he
really was looking out for me. Plus he felt those details were too private.

Kidney problems were clearly tx related.....i had a normal kidney u/s prior
to treatment and for a little bit into tx and there was no hydronephrosis or
stones until BOOM, there was a 1 cm stone and the swelling. No one can be
specific about the mechanism of the tx that caused them, but the urologist
said she had seen folks on antivirals and IFN who developed these and then
they went away after the drugs were stopped. I was going to lose the kidney
eventually if it did not calm down. PLUS post treatment, I've developed some
sort of autoimmune disorder similar to lupus which was caused by the IFN.

There is no chart that i know of for side effect profiles. Dr. Gish's office
simply said I was in the top ten percent of side effects for most of TX for
those who still kept going....i had to take a lot of "support" type drugs but
no anemia rescue drugs. I also had about nine courses of antibiotics because
of the immunomediation effects.

From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5
point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that
and i started at 17 so i was still in the clear at 12.

Deb

>> TX-012...Nope they did not goof.  I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally
>> developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>ES/month, on 30mgs temazepam/night, on occassional NSAIDs...and so on.
>It still effing sucks.
TX-012 - 24 Apr 2008 01:44 GMT
> From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5
> point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that
> and i started at 17 so i was still in the clear at 12.
>
> Deb

Mine is 10-something as of two days ago. On 60,000 IU of EPO/week!

(An improvement from 9ish on 40,000)
debvegas - 24 Apr 2008 05:51 GMT
Wow. That's low....are you a guy?

>> From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5
>> point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>(An improvement from 9ish on 40,000)
TX-012 - 25 Apr 2008 01:16 GMT
> Wow. That's low....are you a guy?<<

Yes...when I get turned on I pass out...not enough RBCs J/K;)

> >> From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5
> >> point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> --
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