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A 'NEW NORMAL': LIFE AFTER HEPATITIS
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TX-012 - 10 Apr 2008 20:25 GMT I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24 weeks. For most people in the US, 48 weeks, for some lucky souls, 24 weeks, and for those whom The Gods Wish To Punish (ahem), 72 weeks.
Apr. 10, 2008 Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal
A 'NEW NORMAL': LIFE AFTER HEPATITIS
Despite fear of unknown when diagnosed, patients prove that surviving the disease possible
By JOHN PRZYBYS REVIEW-JOURNAL Debra Fox knew something was wrong.
She felt tired. The wound from her recent surgery wasn't healing well. And, worst of all, her urine had taken on a brownish color.
Fox, who had worked in the mental health care field and also as a medical transcriptionist, did some research. And, soon, tests by her doctor would prove her suspicions correct.
Hepatitis C. Contracted, Fox suspects, through hospital error during a surgery she had a few months earlier.
About 12 weeks ago, Fox completed a 42-week course of treatment for hepatitis, a regimen that pretty much trashed her 2007. It was exhausting, physically and emotionally grueling, and, in every way, life-changing.
But, so far, it seems to have worked. And while the 48-year-old knows her life will never be as it was before -- she calls her post- treatment life "the new normal" -- she hopes that talking about her experience can help to calm the fears of at least some of those Southern Nevadans who are waiting to learn whether hepatitis treatment lies in their futures, too.
It has been more than a month since a cluster of hepatitis C cases was traced back to valley endoscopy clinics where syringes and single-use vials of anesthetics were used improperly. Now, more than 40,000 people are awaiting word on the results of HIV and hepatitis tests and, along the way, probably learning more about hepatitis than they ever cared to know.
Hepatitis is a viral disease that attacks the liver, causing inflammation and, in some cases, liver damage, cirrhosis and cancer. There are five varieties of hepatitis -- A, B, C, D and E -- and the viruses that cause it can be transmitted by contact with infected blood or stool. Infection could result from eating contaminated food or drinking contaminated water; getting tattoos, piercings or medical procedures done with nonsterile equipment; through sexual activity; or intravenous drug use.
It's those last two that have fueled public misunderstanding about hepatitis. Even in many news reports, says Robert Barone, an infectious disease therapist who facilitates hepatitis C support groups at the Community Counseling Center, "it makes it sound like most people who have it are IV drug users. As a result, a stigma has arisen very similar to what we went through back in the '80s with HIV."
"I've seen an awful lot of people in the support group here in the last four or five years, and I think if 10 people out of maybe 200 or 300 were IV drug users, I'd be surprised," he adds.
Barone is, himself, a hepatitis survivor. In 1970, after being involved in an auto accident in Europe, Barone was transfused with several units of hepatitis B-infected blood, "and I didn't realize it for almost a year."
Back in the States, Barone underwent a liver biopsy. "They told me I had six or eight months to get my affairs in order," he recalls. "My family kind of freaked. It took me almost two years to believe that I wasn't going to die."
That's not an unusual reaction, says Evelyn McKnight, founder of HONOReform, a patient advocacy group. McKnight contracted hepatitis C in 2001 while being treated for cancer.
"I think whenever you get some health news that is unfavorable, you run through all the possibilities, including the worst-case scenario," McKnight says.
Fox was diagnosed with acute hepatitis C (meaning a short-term, as opposed to a chronic, or long-term, infection) in January 2007. The previous November, she underwent surgery to remove an ovarian cyst, and she believes she was infected with hepatitis by unclean equipment used during the procedure. (Her lawsuit against the hospital is pending.)
Fox says she was healthy and physically active -- she'd even run her first marathon -- before the hepatitis diagnosis. When the news came, she was both shocked and crushed.
"I said, 'You've got to be kidding me,' " says Fox, who describes herself as "the original goody two-shoes. In other words, no risk factors."
"I'm not a weeper," Fox adds. "I wept."
"That first weekend, I thought: I'm dead. I won't be able to have sex. I'm a pariah."
It also crossed Fox's mind that some people would think the worst of her, because so many consider hepatitis as "that druggie prostitute disease."
Fox and her husband have been married for 15 years. Unlike some who undergo the long, grueling course of hepatitis treatment, their marriage survived. But the ripple effects of having, and battling, the disease affected every facet of her life.
"It's not just your marriage," Fox says. "It's your children. It's your insurance coverage now and in the future. It's your employment. It's what is your extended family going to think and what are your friends going to think."
Fox began treatment in March 2007 with daily ribavirin pills and weekly interferon injections. According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that combination of drugs is the treatment of choice for hepatitis C and can rid patients of the virus in five to eight out of 10 people.
However, the treatment also can bring severe side effects. Fox understood going in that the side effects can range from mild to moderate to significant. "I had the worst side effects," she says.
"The side effects were as bad as anything I've ever experienced in my entire life, including back surgery," says Fox, who describes them as akin to having severe flu compounded by "the worst hangover you've ever had."
"That first night I remember I was shaking. I had chills. And you think, 'I'm going to die.' "
But, Fox adds, "the caveat here is: It's different for every single person who undergoes it. There are not a lot of generalities."
Nor did Fox ever reconsider her decision to undergo treatment, figuring then and now that it offered "my best good chance" to beat hepatitis.
A few months into treatment, Fox lost her job in the information technology industry. The regimen left her unable to do the traveling the job required and, Fox says, the constant fatigue and "brain fog" the drugs caused made it difficult to concentrate and to remember things.
"All of a sudden, I became physically fragile after being robust," Fox says. "Nausea. No appetite. You can't even carry on the activities of your life."
Barone was out of work for 10 years after receiving his hepatitis B diagnosis. "The first two years I was pretty much bedridden," he says. "At the time, there was no treatment, really." (Today, several drugs can be used to treat chronic hepatitis B.)
At the time, Barone was a contract worker for the federal government. But, during treatment, he lost his health insurance, "so you can just imagine my medical bills over a 10-year period."
Hepatitis treatment also can be mentally and emotionally difficult. In fact, Fox says, doctors often prescribe antidepressants to patients before they begin it.
"The depression the first two years was monstrous," Barone says. "It was just awful."
But that began to change when, oddly enough, Barone started to become angry.
"The person who cut my hair wouldn't cut my hair anymore," he says. "My dentist wouldn't see me anymore. A couple of family members wouldn't come to the house anymore. A couple of friends -- ex-friends, I call them -- wouldn't come near me because they thought I was contagious."
And, Barone says, "I saw what it was doing to my family members and people who cared for me."
Ultimately, Barone says, "anger helped in that I got my a.s out of bed and I started doing things that I didn't think I could do because, the first two years, I was in bed most of the time. I was weak, so I didn't have much choice.
"Anger certainly helps, because it motivates you," Barone says.
And, Barone adds, "the most important thing was: I survived." Just as importantly, Barone says it was his bout with hepatitis B that led him into his career in counseling.
Fox completed her course of treatment almost 12 weeks ago. Tests so far reveal good news, although she's still feeling the effects of the rigorous drug therapy.
"Things take a long time to recover," Fox says. "I still have the brain fog and I still have memory recovery problems."
She also suffered kidney problems and now may have developed rheumatoid arthritis because of the treatment.
Mentally, Fox says, "my biggest problem with handling the post- treatment stuff is, it's very slow. I was always a Type A (driven personality) and I can't be a Type A anymore."
But, as of now, "I'm still undetectable for the (hepatitis) virus," she says. "Hopefully, I'm still going to be undetectable."
Does that mean she's cured? Some doctors consider favorable tests six months later as a cure, "but some don't," Fox says.
Barone has been free of hepatitis since 1981. But, he notes, "I still can't donate blood."
"We put 'cured' in quotation marks," Barone says. "So it's a matter of semantics, and how you interpret that word."
Barone urges those who have, or fear they may have, hepatitis to, first, "take the time to educate themselves and ask the right questions."
Then, Barone says, they should understand that "you can lead a fairly normal life, whatever 'normal' means. But some people will give in to it and think of themselves as sick all the time."
Like Barone, Fox now works with hepatitis support groups, sharing her experience with them. "If a single person feels better as a result of talking to me, then it's worth it," she says.
It's easy "to feel sorry for myself and be scared about the circumstances," she says. "You hear people say, 'I'm going to have a biopsy. I'm terrified.' Well, don't be terrified until you need to be, and most of the time it turns out you don't need to be."
Barone, even now, has two papers handy that he shares with clients. One is the written report confirming his hepatitis B test results. The other is the report 10 years later in which "they pronounced me cured."
"I have both of those with me," Barone says. "The reason I carry them is, I show them to people who are very depressed and upset. When they see what I went through and how I survived it, it gives them a lot of hope."
Terry - 11 Apr 2008 00:00 GMT >I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I >was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Apr. 10, 2008 >Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal The city that is still giving people Hepatitis in 2007
http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/16395201.html
Six cases of acute hepatitis, a potentially deadly virus that attacks the liver, have been traced to the center. Nearly 40,000 patients have been notified that they are at risk and should be tested for hepatitis B and C and HIV.
The clinic has been temporarily closed and fined $3,000.
Health officials believe the virus was spread when clinic nurses used the same syringe twice to administer anesthesia, contaminating the vial. The staff also was found treating multiple patients with vials of medication intended for a single patient only.
Waterspider - 11 Apr 2008 22:48 GMT I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24 weeks. For most people in the US, 48 weeks, for some lucky souls, 24 weeks, and for those whom The Gods Wish To Punish (ahem), 72 weeks.
Yeah, somebody goofed. She's prolly 42 years old too. Poorly written article.
TX-012 - 12 Apr 2008 01:49 GMT > I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I > was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yeah, somebody goofed. She's prolly 42 years old too. > Poorly written article. I emailed the writer and he replied:
"Hi -- Legal and ethical considerations prevent me from discussing information that isn't included in a story. But 42 weeks is correct. Thanks for your note ... John
John Przybys Features Writer The Las Vegas Review-Journal (702) 383-0280"
Um. I'm not entirely satisfied with that response. WHY did she quit early, if she did? That might be a story in itself...
greyhackles - 12 Apr 2008 02:13 GMT >> I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I >> was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Um. I'm not entirely satisfied with that response. WHY did she quit >early, if she did? That might be a story in itself... The answer could be as simple as either the patient or the author making an error.
Besides, it's not all *that* interesting, as she was still in the acute phase.
Anyway....the failings of the article are many - particularly the melding together pretty much all known forms of viral hepatitis, as if they were interchangeable. It all went quickly down the tubes from there...
Cheers
/greyhackles
Cindy - 12 Apr 2008 13:16 GMT As someone who is going to begin treatment in a month, that story made my heart sink. Cindy
TX-012 - 12 Apr 2008 17:24 GMT > As someone who is going to begin treatment in a month, that story made > my heart sink. > Cindy Relax, it's only INDESCRIBABLE AGONY. Nothing to worry about!
;)
And hey---you can be like Gregg Allman!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23847506/
Danny<------on tx for 197 days. And counting...
Kozure Ookami - 15 Apr 2008 21:41 GMT >As someone who is going to begin treatment in a month, that story made >my heart sink. >Cindy Don't let that happen. You may find it goes much better for you. You know, I never had a single headache or any nausea throughout treatment and it seemed odd that others complained of that. But drugs do affect people differently. For some people taking an aspirin tablet would kill them or cause serious health problems. People who have a rough time on treatment are much more vocal than those who don't. There's no way to know how it will go for you until you take the plunge. For most of us it is doable though not the most pleasant way to spend 6 months to a year or so. Ditching the hepatitis c virus is pretty sweet though.
Don
Cindy - 19 Apr 2008 17:15 GMT >Don't let that happen. You may find it goes much > better for you. You know, I never had a single [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Ditching the hepatitis c virus is pretty sweet > though.
>Don Thank you for saying that.... It's the unknown.....what's going to happen to me......
I haven't posted much here yet, since I haven't started treatments yet....but reading here has been interesting. I'll be posting more soon...life is hectic for me now....tc, Cindy
debvegas - 23 Apr 2008 04:49 GMT TX-012...Nope they did not goof. I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which was interesting because i had normal ultrasounds prior to tx) and thus Dr. Gish pulled me off the treatment.
Just to help the woman posting down below, my side effect profile was in the top 10 percent of yuck. Most folks really don't go to those side effect "places" in the way that I did. Might have something to do with the acute thing. I'm 48, TX....
>> I wonder if they goofed on reporting the length of her treatment; I >> was under the impression that it's almost always done in factors of 24 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Um. I'm not entirely satisfied with that response. WHY did she quit >early, if she did? That might be a story in itself... TX-012 - 23 Apr 2008 06:49 GMT > TX-012...Nope they did not goof. I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally > developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "places" in the way that I did. Might have something to do with the acute > thing. I'm 48, TX.... Thanks. The author goofed bigtime by not mentioning the WHY. Two questions: 1) Were the kidney problems clearly tx related? If so, what caused them? 2) How do you rate yourself in terms of side effect profile/%/yuck? Is there so chart one can look at (seriously)?
I wonder about myself, and where I fit in relative to my peers<g>. I'm on 60,000 IU of EPO per week, taking NEUPOGEN 2xweek, on 120 Vicodin ES/month, on 30mgs temazepam/night, on occassional NSAIDs...and so on. It still effing sucks.
debvegas - 23 Apr 2008 20:35 GMT TX: Actually, John at the RJ told me about your message ....but i didn't want to post on the RJ site because of my ongoing lawsuit...The reason John didn't mention WHY is because he felt that it would impact my suit negatively, so he really was looking out for me. Plus he felt those details were too private.
Kidney problems were clearly tx related.....i had a normal kidney u/s prior to treatment and for a little bit into tx and there was no hydronephrosis or stones until BOOM, there was a 1 cm stone and the swelling. No one can be specific about the mechanism of the tx that caused them, but the urologist said she had seen folks on antivirals and IFN who developed these and then they went away after the drugs were stopped. I was going to lose the kidney eventually if it did not calm down. PLUS post treatment, I've developed some sort of autoimmune disorder similar to lupus which was caused by the IFN.
There is no chart that i know of for side effect profiles. Dr. Gish's office simply said I was in the top ten percent of side effects for most of TX for those who still kept going....i had to take a lot of "support" type drugs but no anemia rescue drugs. I also had about nine courses of antibiotics because of the immunomediation effects.
From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5 point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that and i started at 17 so i was still in the clear at 12.
Deb
>> TX-012...Nope they did not goof. I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally >> developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >ES/month, on 30mgs temazepam/night, on occassional NSAIDs...and so on. >It still effing sucks. debvegas - 23 Apr 2008 20:35 GMT TX: Actually, John at the RJ told me about your message ....but i didn't want to post on the RJ site because of my ongoing lawsuit...The reason John didn't mention WHY is because he felt that it would impact my suit negatively, so he really was looking out for me. Plus he felt those details were too private.
Kidney problems were clearly tx related.....i had a normal kidney u/s prior to treatment and for a little bit into tx and there was no hydronephrosis or stones until BOOM, there was a 1 cm stone and the swelling. No one can be specific about the mechanism of the tx that caused them, but the urologist said she had seen folks on antivirals and IFN who developed these and then they went away after the drugs were stopped. I was going to lose the kidney eventually if it did not calm down. PLUS post treatment, I've developed some sort of autoimmune disorder similar to lupus which was caused by the IFN.
There is no chart that i know of for side effect profiles. Dr. Gish's office simply said I was in the top ten percent of side effects for most of TX for those who still kept going....i had to take a lot of "support" type drugs but no anemia rescue drugs. I also had about nine courses of antibiotics because of the immunomediation effects.
From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5 point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that and i started at 17 so i was still in the clear at 12.
Deb
>> TX-012...Nope they did not goof. I was scheduled for 48 weeks and finally >> developed some serious kidney problems (hydronephrosis and stones ...which [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >ES/month, on 30mgs temazepam/night, on occassional NSAIDs...and so on. >It still effing sucks. TX-012 - 24 Apr 2008 01:44 GMT > From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5 > point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that > and i started at 17 so i was still in the clear at 12. > > Deb Mine is 10-something as of two days ago. On 60,000 IU of EPO/week!
(An improvement from 9ish on 40,000)
debvegas - 24 Apr 2008 05:51 GMT Wow. That's low....are you a guy?
>> From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5 >> point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >(An improvement from 9ish on 40,000) TX-012 - 25 Apr 2008 01:16 GMT > Wow. That's low....are you a guy?<< Yes...when I get turned on I pass out...not enough RBCs J/K;)
> >> From what you describe, you are probably in the top 30-40 percent. I had a 5 > >> point drop in my hemoglobin the first six weeks but it stabilized after that [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > -- > Message posted viahttp://www.medkb.com
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