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Ping greyhackles re Iron and virons

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Cactus Jammies - 23 Jan 2008 17:56 GMT
Hi Grey,
 Have you got any links that tell more about what you've written regarding
iron and how it is 'gasoline' for the Hep C virus?  (Maybe we could put it
in the tanks of our Hummers?) :)

cactus jammies ~~~~~~~~~000
greyhackles - 24 Jan 2008 02:37 GMT
>Hi Grey,
>  Have you got any links that tell more about what you've written regarding
>iron and how it is 'gasoline' for the Hep C virus?  (Maybe we could put it
>in the tanks of our Hummers?) :)
>
>cactus jammies ~~~~~~~~~000

Hi CJ!

"Gasoline" may not be the right analogy, but as more studies are published,
the effects of iron in the pre sense of inflammatory diseases such as HCV
seems pretty clear. There appears to be a significant association between the
degree of iron stores in the liver and the degree of damage inflicted with
chronic HCV, presumably because iron enhances the oxidative stress associated
with the disease.

[Side note: it sure seems to be getting harder and harder to access trial
results via the web. I kept running into the same handful of sites that only
allow access to the articles with a paid subscription. Pisses me off
muchly...]

This study results that show a major reduction in ALT with long-term iron
reduction therapy - with concomitant reduction in the risk for HCC.

http://www.springerlink.com/content/v882v4581l85l257/

This study shows an unintended result: iron depletion therapy was used to see
if anti-viral therapy would be improved among a cohort of non-responders.
While iron depletion did not improve SVR rates, it did dramatically reduce
ALT.

http://grande.nal.usda.gov/ibids/index.php?mode2=detail&origin=ibids_references&
therow=56145


This study incidentally showed a normalization of ALT with the use of iron
depletion therapy.

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/61/24/8697

This study shows the when HCV patients on hemodialysis have iron supplements
(to replace iron "lost" during dialysis) they have significantly higher ALT.
(Note we can only see the synopsis of this article without paying for the
rest).

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1440-1797.2005.00474.x?journa
lCode=nep


You can find lots more digests and even full articles (if you look hard
enough!) that pretty much show the same results, and at the least, rationalize
a lower degree of liver damage as offshoot of iron depletion. There's more
than enough evidence to convince me that non-responders that are showing any
significant liver damage should consider some form of dietary iron reduction
if not an outright iron depletion strategy. And, certainly, those folks should
have their iron load determined through the appropriate test procedure (which,
fwiw, is more than just measuring serum ferritin!)

Cheers

/greyhackles
Cactus Jammies - 24 Jan 2008 16:41 GMT
Hi Grey,
 Thanks for doing all this work for the group.  I see that others are
interested as well.  Currently I am a on a low glycemic index food plan
which means reduce corn, white potatoes, and white processed flour found in
bread and pasta, among other things.  The idea for this is to reduce the
level of steatosis (fatty liver, fat stored in liver cells) so as to improve
the efficiency of the healthy liver I still have.  Of course large meat
portions and processed foods containing corn products and varieties of
sugars are also included in the list.  The list of friendly foods, according
to the glycemic index can be found easily by googling 'foods glycemic index'
or something like that.  Diabetics are the target audience for info like
that.  Of course from what I understand, Milk Thistle aids in the process of
guarding against fatty liver.
 As for dietary sources of iron, I will do a google search on that.  I have
an appointment with my PCP next week and I will ask him about iron in the
liver and ALT levels.  I don't know if he does referrals for clinical work
on iron depletion or not, I suspect not.  We'll see.  The first thing I
should do though, is have a look at the testing procedure for iron in the
system.

thanks again

cactus Jammies -------

>>Hi Grey,
>>  Have you got any links that tell more about what you've written
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> /greyhackles
Cactus Jammies - 24 Jan 2008 17:19 GMT
> Hi Grey,
>  As for dietary sources of iron, I will do a google search on that.  I
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> cactus Jammies -------

I just had a look at a low iron diet from one of the pages you posted.
Doen't look good for what I am eating.  It calls for replacing beans, leafy
greens, meat, shellfish etc. with refined carbohydrates.  Not what I wanted
to see, I'm afraid.  That would pretty well nix what I am doing to control
the steatosis (and my weight).  Oh well, more questions for the doctor, I
guess.  Thank goodness at least my PCP tries answer them.

cactus jammies
 
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