>I finally got around to checking the sides for Epogen (been taking it
>for a few months now).
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>
>~ Alex
I don't think it's actually a matter of time. More like a function of using
too much, too often, to increase Hemoglobin beyond 11g/dl (which I believe is
the new recommended cut-off).
The potential problem is likely associated with the over-driven bone marrow
producing overly large RBCs, which can aggravate existing circulatory issues
(as in coronary artery disease, which narrows blood vessels). Drive the
average size of the RBCs too high and - like too many cars and not enough
asphalt - there's a chance that a traffic jam will result. Bad juju.
I was on 60K IU of Epogen for 35 weeks. I never experienced any issues
(thankfully!) though it only pushed my HGB up to barely over 10g/dl over the
entire period. But those two points made a HUGE difference in my QOL, and I
was grateful for it. "Life" with Hemoglobin at 8g/dl is an oxymoron.
So, fwiw, it seems to me that administering physicians should pay more
attention to RBC Distribution Width (aka "RDW") if the patient has any history
of circulatory issues. An overly high RDW would be a red flag warning to
reduce the Epogen dosage in such cases. In other words, it's less about HGB,
more about "fat" RBCs...
Cheers
/greyhackles
amzolt - 21 Nov 2007 15:39 GMT
Again, you raise my spirits with your spirited and intelligent
response !
"'Life' with Hemoglobin at 8g/dl is an oxymoron." Wonder how many
people could "get" that joke?
Waterspider - 22 Nov 2007 21:59 GMT
> Again, you raise my spirits with your spirited and intelligent
> response !
>
> "'Life' with Hemoglobin at 8g/dl is an oxymoron." Wonder how many
> people could "get" that joke?
LOL!
Good one, and I'll bet most folk here totally get it.
amzolt - 23 Nov 2007 15:47 GMT
Thanks for the Perspective !
~ Alex
TX-012 - 22 Nov 2007 06:51 GMT
> >I finally got around to checking the sides for Epogen (been taking it
> >for a few months now).
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> too much, too often, to increase Hemoglobin beyond 11g/dl (which I believe is
> the new recommended cut-off).
I believe this to be true as well. Around 15 years ago, when EPO first
became popular in the world of endurance sports (first cycling, then
distance running, then everything else), a bunch of superfit Dutch
cyclists in their 20s died of heart attacks in their sleep, presumably
because they'd used so much EPO that they'd pushed their hematocrits
into the 60s-70s and their blood had reached peanut-butter like
consistency. After athletes realized the dangers of too high a
hematocrit, the actual use of EPO (and undetectable substitutes like
RepOxygen) actually increased, but people stopped dying from it.
amzolt - 22 Nov 2007 12:29 GMT
Thanks for that colorful perspective Tx-012 !!
>I finally got around to checking the sides for Epogen (been taking it
> for a few months now).
>
> One Med site said: "This medicine can increase your risk of life-
> threatening heart or circulation problems, including heart attack or
> stroke. This risk will increase the longer you use..."
I sorta remember reading something like that on a package of birth control
pills :-o