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Cactus Jammies - 25 Aug 2007 17:12 GMT http://www.webmd.com/content/tools/1/quiz_complementary_medicine
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Cactus Jammies - 26 Aug 2007 18:07 GMT For those people whom for any reason (foggy) cannot do their own research....
I have other credible sources than this quoted text that are not dancing around the Hepatitis C issues nearly so much; such as: "Herbs for Heaptitis C and the Liver", author Stephen Harrod Buhner, published in 2000 by Storey Books, ISBN 1-58017255-5 (pbk.) Web search for the ISBN, the author or look at publisher pages located online at: http://www.storey.com It is very comprehensive and much of the Western terminology is way above my current comprehension, such as the liver function and the interactions.
Cactus Jammies .............................
!!!The use of COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE DOES NOT ELIMINATE HEPATITIS C VIRONS!!!
from http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/turmeric-000277.htm complete with bonafides, citations, and review info....
forwarded without permission, but allowed thru compassion. #:-p (### my empahsis shown as: !!!!****)
***see precautions, in this text***.
Over the last several years, there has been increasing interest in turmeric and its medicinal properties. This is partially evidenced by the large numbers of scientific studies published on this topic. Turmeric ( Curcuma longa ), a flowering plant in the ginger family, is widely used as a food coloring and is one of the principal ingredients in curry powder. Turmeric has long been used in both Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine as an anti-inflammatory, to treat digestive disorders and liver problems, and for the treatment of skin diseases and wound healing. The active ingredient in turmeric is curcumin, which has been the subject of numerous animal studies-but as of yet, very few studies on people-demonstrating various medicinal properties. Curcumin has been shown, for example, to stimulate the production of bile and to facilitate the emptying of the gallbladder. It has also demonstrated in animals a protective effect on the liver, anti-tumor action, and ability to reduce inflammation and fight certain infections.
Plant Description A relative of ginger, turmeric is a perennial plant that grows 3 to 5 feet high in the tropical regions of Southern Asia, with trumpet-shaped, dull yellow flowers. Turmeric is fragrant and has a bitter, somewhat sharp taste.
Parts Used The aboveground and underground roots, or rhizomes, are used in medicinal and food preparations. These are generally boiled and then dried, turning into the familiar yellow powder. Curcumin from turmeric, as well as other substances in this herb, have antioxidant properties, which some claim may be as strong as vitamins C and E.
Medicinal Uses and Indications While turmeric has a long history of use by herbalists, most studies to date have been conducted in the laboratory or in animals and it is not clear that these results apply to people. Nevertheless, research suggests that turmeric may be helpful for the following conditions.
Digestive Disorders (stomach upset, gas, abdominal cramps): The German Commission E (an authoritative body that determined which herbs could be safely prescribed in that country and for which purpose[s]) approved turmeric for a variety of digestive disorders. Curcumin, for example, one of the active ingredients in turmeric, induces the flow of bile, which helps break down fats. In an animal study, extracts of turmeric root reduced secretion of acid from the stomach and protected against injuries such as inflammation along the stomach (gastritis) or intestinal walls and ulcers from certain medications, stress, or alcohol. Further studies are needed to know to what extent these protective effects apply to people as well.
Osteoarthritis Because of its ability to reduce inflammation, turmeric may help relieve the symptoms of osteoarthritis. A study of people using an Ayurvedic formula of herbs and minerals containing turmeric as well as Withinia somnifera (winter cherry), Boswellia serrata (Boswellia), and zinc significantly reduced pain and disability. While encouraging for the value of this Ayurvedic combination therapy to help with osteoarthritis, it is difficult to know how much of this success is from turmeric alone, one of the other individual herbs, or the combination of herbs working in tandem.
Atherosclerosis Early studies suggest that turmeric may prove helpful in preventing the build up of atherosclerosis (blockage of arteries that can eventually cause a heart attack or stroke) in one of two ways. First, in animal studies an extract of turmeric lowered cholesterol levels and inhibited the oxidation of LDL ("bad") cholesterol. Oxidized LDL deposits in the walls of blood vessels and contributes to the formation of atherosclerotic plaque. Turmeric may also prevent platelet build up along the walls of an injured blood vessel. Platelets collecting at the site of a damaged blood vessel cause blood clots to form and blockage of the artery as well. Studies of the use of turmeric to prevent or treat heart disease in people would be interesting in terms of determining if these mechanisms discovered in animals apply to people at risk for this condition.
Cancer ***** There has been a substantial amount of research on turmeric's anti-cancer potential. Evidence from laboratory and animal studies suggests that curcumin has potential in the treatment of various forms of cancer, including prostate, breast, skin, and colon. Human studies will be necessary before it is known to what extent these results may apply to people.
Roundworms and Intestinal worms Laboratory studies suggest that curcuminoids, the active components of turmeric, may reduce the destructive activity of parasites or roundworms.
Liver Disease ***** Animal studies provide evidence that turmeric can protect the liver from a number of damaging substances such as carbon tetrachloride and acetominophen (also called paracetamol, this medication, used commonly for headache and pain, can cause liver damage if taken in large quantities or in someone who drinks alcohol regularly.) Turmeric accomplishes this, in part, by helping to clear such toxins from the body and by protecting the liver from damage.
!!!The use of COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE DOES NOT ELIMINATE HEPATITIS C VIRONS!!!
Bacterial Infection **** Turmeric's volatile oil functions as an external antibiotic, preventing bacterial infection in wounds.
Wounds In animal studies, turmeric applied to wounds hastens the healing process.
Mosquito Repellent A mixture of the volatile oils of turmeric, citronella, and hairy basil, with the addition of vanillin (an extract of vanilla bean that is generally used for flavoring or perfumes), may be an alternative to D.E.E.T., one of the most common chemical repellents commercially available.
Eye Disorder One study of 32 people with uveitis (inflammation of the uvea, the middle layer of the eye between the sclera [white outer coat of the eye] and the retina [the back of the eye]) suggests that curcumin may prove to be as effective as corticosteroids, the type of medication generally prescribed for this eye disorder. The uvea contains many of the blood vessels that nourish the eye. Inflammation of this area, therefore, can affect the cornea, the retina, the sclera, and other important parts of the eye. More research is needed to best understand whether curcumin may help treat this eye inflammation.
Available Forms Turmeric is commercially available in the following forms:
Capsules containing powder Fluid extract Tincture Bromelain enhances the absorption and anti-inflammatory effects of curcumin, the best studied active ingredient of turmeric; therefore, bromelain is often formulated with turmeric products.
How to Take It Pediatric While turmeric may be helpful for the treatment of inflammatory conditions in children, appropriate doses have not yet been established. Until more information is available, consider adjusting the recommended adult dose to account for the child's weight. Most herbal dosages for adults are calculated on the basis of a 150 lb (70 kg) adult. Therefore, if the child weighs 50 lb (20 to 25 kg), the appropriate dose of turmeric for this child would be 1/3 of
the adult dosage.
Adult *****The following are doses recommended for adults*****:
Cut root: 1,500 to 3,000 mg per day Dried, powdered root: 1,000 to 3,000 mg per day Standardized powder (curcumin): 400 to 600 mg, 3 times per day (SPICE JAR) Fluid extract (1:1) 30 to 90 drops a day Tincture (1:2): 15 to 30 drops, 4 times per day
Precautions ******* The use of herbs is a time-honored approach to strengthening the body and treating disease. Herbs, however, contain active substances that can trigger side effects and interact with other herbs, supplements, or medications. For these reasons, herbs should be taken with care, under the supervision of a practitioner knowledgeable in the field of botanical medicine.
Turmeric and curcumin are considered safe when taken at the recommended doses. However, extended or excessive use of curcumin may produce stomach upset and, in extreme cases, ulcers. (Note: normal therapeutic doses of turmeric protect from ulcers - see earlier discussion - but, at very high doses, it may induce ulcers. This is why it is very important to stick with the recommended dose of this herbal remedy.) Turmeric should not be taken by those who have been diagnosed with gallstones or obstruction of the bile passages without explicit direction from a qualified practitioner.
While pregnant women needn't avoid foods containing turmeric, its use as a medicinal herb is not recommended during pregnancy because the effects are not fully known. Studies in pregnant rats, mice, guinea pigs, and monkeys suggest that it is safe for those animals, but safety in pregnant women has not been tested.
Possible Interactions ***** !!!!! If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use turmeric or curcumin in medicinal forms without first talking to your healthcare provider.
Blood-Thinning Medications Although no scientific reports have documented a bleed or other adverse interaction, turmeric, taken in medicinal doses may theoretically increase the blood thinning effects and, therefore the risk of bleeding from, drugs such as warfarin and aspirin.
Non-Steroidal Anti-inflammatory Drugs (NSAIDs) Turmeric has shown protection in animals from the development of ulcers due to this class of medications. NSAIDs include indomethacin, ibuprofen, and many other drugs that are often prescribed for pain and inflammation, such as that of arthritis.
Reserpine Turmeric protected animals from increased gastric secretions (secretions in the stomach that can lead to damage along the walls of this organ) from reserpine used for high blood pressure.
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Therapeutic potential of curcumin in human prostate cancer. II. Curcumin inhibits tyrosine kinase activity of epidermal growth factor receptor and depletes the protein. Mol Urol . 2000;4(1):1-6. Gescher A J, Sharma R A, Steward W P. Cancer chemoprevention by dietary constituents: a tale of failure and promise. Lancet Oncol . 2001;2(6):371-379. Heck AM, DeWitt BA, Lukes AL. Potential interactions between alternative therapies and warfarin. Am J Health Syst Pharm . 2000;57(13):1221-1227. Kawamori T, Lubet R, Steele VE, et al. Chemopreventive effect of curcumin, a naturally occurring anti- inflammatory agent, during the promotion/progression stages of colon cancer. Cancer Res. 1999;59:597-601. Kim MS, Kang HJ, Moon A. Inhibition of invasion and induction of apoptosis by curcumin in H-ras-transformed MCF10A human breast epithelial cells. Arch Pharm Res . 2001;24(4):349-354. Kiuchi F, Goto Y, Sugimoto N, Akao N, Kondo K, Tsuda Y. 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Clin Cancer Res. 2001;7:1452-1458. Stoner GD, Mukhtar H. Polyphenols as cancer chemopreventive agents. J Cell Biochem Suppl . 1995;22:169-180. Tawatsin A, Wratten SD, Scott RR, Thavara U, Techadamrongsin Y. Repellency of volatile oils from plants against three mosquito vectors. J Vector Ecol . 2001;26(1):76-82. Verma SP, Salamone E, Goldin B. Curcumin and genistein, plant natural products, show synergistic inhibitory effects on the growth of human breast cancer MCF-7 cells induced by estrogenic pesticides. Biochem Biophys Res Commun . 1997; 233(3): 692-696. White L, Mavor S. Kids, Herbs, Health . Loveland, Colo: Interweave Press; 1998:41. Review Date: 4/1/2002 Reviewed By: Participants in the review process include: Jacqueline A. Hart, MD, Department of Internal Medicine, Newton-Wellesley Hospital, Harvard University and Senior Medical Editor Integrative Medicine, Boston, MA; Gary Kracoff, RPh (Pediatric Dosing section February 2001), Johnson Drugs, Natick, MA; Steven Ottariono, RPh (Pediatric Dosing section February 2001), Veteran's Administrative Hospital, Londonderry, NH; R. Lynn Shumake, PD, Director, Alternative Medicine Apothecary, Blue Mountain Apothecary & Healing Arts, University of Maryland Medical Center, Glenwood, MD; David Winston, Herbalist (January 2000), Herbalist and Alchemist, Inc., Washington, NJ. All interaction sections have also been reviewed by a team of experts including Joseph Lamb, MD (July 2000), The Integrative Medicine Works, Alexandria, VA;Enrico Liva, ND, RPh (August 2000), Vital Nutrients, Middletown, CT; Brian T Sanderoff, PD, BS in Pharmacy (March 2000), Clinical Assistant Professor, University of Maryland School of Pharmacy; President, Your Prescription for Health, Owings Mills, MD; Ira Zunin, MD, MPH, MBA (July 2000), President and Chairman, Hawaii State Consortium for Integrative Medicine, Honolulu, HI. A.D.A.M., Inc. is accredited by URAC, also known as the American Accreditation HealthCare Commission (www.urac.org). URAC's accreditation program is the first of its kind, requiring compliance with 53 standards of quality and accountability, verified by independent audit. A.D.A.M. is among the first to achieve this important distinction for online health information and services. Learn more about A.D.A.M.'s editorial process . 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> http://www.webmd.com/content/tools/1/quiz_complementary_medicine Cactus Jammies - 26 Aug 2007 18:16 GMT http://tinyurl.com/2blsox
Above is the condensed url for review of the book. ISBN number somehow does not fit into the search that I did. Obviously my mistake somewhere. -cj
> I have other credible sources than this quoted text that are not dancing > around the Hepatitis C issues nearly so much; such as: "Herbs for [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > !!!The use of COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE DOES NOT ELIMINATE HEPATITIS C > VIRONS!!! Cody - 26 Aug 2007 18:52 GMT > Standardized powder (curcumin): 400 to 600 mg, 3 times per day (SPICE JAR) How many teaspoons does that translate into?
Thanks,
 Signature Cody To email me, remove shoes first
Cactus Jammies - 26 Aug 2007 21:02 GMT for chronic hepatitis
>> Standardized powder (curcumin): 400 to 600 mg, 3 times per day (SPICE >> JAR) > > How many teaspoons does that translate into? > > Thanks, Hi Cody, In the other book I mentioned, the recommendation is to make of a paste of the (curcumin) Turmeric powder, it recommeds three marble-sized balls as a tonic (or four times a day for those of us with acute or chronic Hep). Or one teaspoon of powder four times daily. I was way below that up until I found the professionally recommended dosage. The Herbs for Hep C book first of all, advises that this should NOT be taken by those whom have a bile obstruction. (page 51 in my copy) The paste balls are the easiest to consume by popping them into the back of your mouth and swallowing with lots of water. The downside of preparing the paste balls is that turmeric is staining, fingers included! (False jaundice :) ??? ha ha I just shovelled a teaspoon of it into a Kimchi soup, so the taste of it would be hardly noticable, I am going to find out in a minute after the soup has steeped.
Turmeric paste (p. 51 Herbs..Hep C) Tumeric Marbles
1/4 cup (50 grams) of turmeric - or quick math says that would be almost 4 weeks supply for the like of us? (500mg x 4 daily x 28 days?) 1/2 cup water (120 ml)
"Combine Turmeric and water in a sauce pan, bring to a low boil and cook, stirring constantly until mixture becomes a thick paste." "Remove from heat and let cool. Roll into balls and store in a sealed container in the fridge" ============================
cactus jammies ------------ Bob Mackie
for chronic hepatitis
>> Standardized powder (curcumin): 400 to 600 mg, 3 times per day (SPICE >> JAR) > > How many teaspoons does that translate into? > > Thanks, Cody - 27 Aug 2007 00:26 GMT > for chronic hepatitis >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >> >> Thanks, Thanks for the info.
 Signature Cody To email me, remove shoes first
Cactus Jammies - 27 Aug 2007 11:46 GMT "Cody" <mpcody@shoesgmail.com> wrote >>
> Thanks for the info. A pleasure.
Take care of yourself
cj -------------
Waterspider - 26 Aug 2007 19:36 GMT > <snippage>............................. > > !!!The use of COMPLEMENTARY MEDICINE DOES NOT ELIMINATE HEPATITIS C > VIRONS!!! Thank you for that. Although those who enjoy ridiculing me may find it hard to believe, this ng has a lot of lurkers and some of them would believe otherwise.
Normin - 26 Aug 2007 20:16 GMT >> <snippage>............................. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > believe, this ng has a lot of lurkers and some of them would > believe otherwise. There are also a lot of folks reading this newsgroup who TX didn't work for, or they relapsed, and they would like to learn about some ways to help their liver if possible while they wait for new meds to come along. I think it's a good thing for folks to share the things that work/worked for them, and let the rest of us make up our own minds whether those methods are worth looking into or not.
For instance, many people who participate in this group use/used marijuana to help them get through the side effects of TX. Shrug, if that's your bag, go for it. I didn't choose to go that route but I didn't holler "snake oil" at everyone who recommended it to others. Not sure I see a big difference between those endorsing pot, and those endorsing milk thistle or other natural herbs as helpful while undergoing TX.
Of course I disagree with anyone saying you can cure HepC without the current proper meds! But I really believe MOST of the lurkers and posters here know better... at least I sure hope so!
Sara
Waterspider - 29 Aug 2007 17:42 GMT "Normin" <norminfishbait@aol.com> wrote <some snippage>
> I think it's a good thing for folks to share the things that work/worked > for them, and let the rest of us make up our own minds whether those > methods are worth looking into or not. Yes, as long as we don't rely on anecdotal evidence and unsubstantiated claims as proof of effectiveness.
> For instance, many people who participate in this group use/used marijuana > to help them get through the side effects of TX. And you probably didn't know that I was one of them :-)
> Shrug, if that's your bag, go for it. I didn't choose to go that route > but I didn't holler "snake oil" at everyone who recommended it to others. > Not sure I see a big difference between those endorsing pot, and those > endorsing milk thistle or other natural herbs as helpful while undergoing > TX. Marijuana has been scientifically proven to reduce the nausea side effect of chemo, and it is available by prescription. Hardly snake oil.
> Of course I disagree with anyone saying you can cure HepC without the > current proper meds! But I really believe MOST of the lurkers and posters > here know better... at least I sure hope so! Your belief and hope does not make it so. If everyone knew better, there would be no market for Miracle Cures. But, you say "most" know better... don't you have even a small bit of concern for the others?
Normin - 29 Aug 2007 18:33 GMT > "Normin" <norminfishbait@aol.com> wrote > <some snippage> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > But, you say "most" know better... don't you have even a small > bit of concern for the others? Duh, gee, no.... I sit here in my own little world and don't give a crap about anyone else who's dealing with the HepC virus. That's why I am still reading these posts, and contributing my thoughts to this group when I feel they may be helpful.
ya know, I think you don't give folks enough credit. The people I've seen posting on this group are, as a group, a pretty smart bunch of people. They're doing their research, they're asking questions, and they're trying to find out what works and what doesn't. You can't blame people for trying to find an alternate to conventional treatment.... but if they are smart enough to go looking for answers, they are going to eventually find the right ones :)
By all means, PLEASE keep sharing YOUR experiences with TX. I learned a LOT from you when I first joined this group, and it made a difference when I actually started TX that I already knew to drink lots of water, to be aware that I was going to become a screaming crying crazy lady, that I'd have horrible fatigue and itch all over.... but when you became critical and/or abusive to me or other people for various reasons, that really turned me off and then my natural reaction was to not want to hear your 'advice' anymore, since you were being so unpleasant about it all. YES, folks need to know that there are lots of BAD things out there for HepC'ers... but they don't need to be beaten over the head with a big stick to get the picture. Maybe if you pretend that you believe there are a 'few' intelligent people reading your posts, you might figure out why so many of us resent the way you word things.
or, don't you have even a small bit of concern that you may be upsetting people and making them defensive when you go on the attack the way you do? How many people could you have helped that you chased away instead with your determination that YOUR way is the ONLY way??
kjoh - 29 Aug 2007 22:42 GMT "And you probably didn't know that I was one of them :-)"
What a slobbering fool you are. Do you think there is anyone here who doesn't know you are stoned every time you post? Get real. Get an education.
kj
Waterspider - 31 Aug 2007 20:25 GMT > "And you probably didn't know that I was one of them :-)" > > What a slobbering fool you are. Do you think there is anyone here who > doesn't know you are stoned every time you post? Get real. Get an > education. Kjoh, this is rude, uncalled for and innacurate to the extreme. Just what is your problem with me? Is it because I don't believe in a god or that my treatment was successful? I didn't vote for Bush...
Cactus Jammies - 26 Aug 2007 21:02 GMT I bow to the corner that contains the leeries. :)
Bob cj
>> <snippage>............................. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Although those who enjoy ridiculing me may find it hard to believe, this > ng has a lot of lurkers and some of them would believe otherwise.
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