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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / August 2007new to group-need diet advice
I was just told some test results by my Dr. and he said I have acute hepatitis. There was one number (don't remember the name) which was supposed to be below 30 and mine was around 370. He said it was an indication of how hard the liver is working. Further blood tests were done yesterday and I hope to hear the results early next week. Because I take lipitor, I have been tested every 3 months and there was no problem the last test. I had hep a and b shots in 2002 and don't use any needles although I had a prostate biopsy in late April. I had a really bad bout of pneumonia in March and one month later had a recurrence so my immune system must have been pretty low for a while. I drink about 5oz liquor daily and just came back from a cruise where the intense cramps started. I'm thinking the cause is my alcohol consumption rather than viral. My question is about diet. The Dr said to eat a very plain diet, drink lots of water, switch to white bread, no caffiene, alcohol, fatty or spicy foods. He said that I should be giving my liver a rest by not eating anything that the liver has to work hard to process. He didn't elaborate and I thought I'd find something with google but am confused. It's his comment about not eating whole wheat bread that makes me think that all foods with fibre (fruits and vegetables) are a problem. I don't have many of the normal symptoms. No jaundice, good appetite, feel fine except periodically I get a cramp/ache in the abdomen which Dr says is probably intestines affected by their proximity to an inflamed liver. I am taking 20mg Pariet for the irritated intestines. I stopped taking the lipitor and am wondering if I should stop daily vitamin pill, glucosamine, and baby aspirin. Can anyone give me some diet advice? Thanks Wayne in Ottawa Hey Wayne, Try this: http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hepc/pubs/nc-hcp-sn-is/resources_e.html I also take milkthistle about 500 mg a day (3 caps) and turmeric on eggs and potatoes and pastas, stir fries, etc. hope this helps. the milkthistle and turmeric are not phoney. try googling "turmeric liver" cactus jammies '''''''''''''' >I was just told some test results by my Dr. and he said I have acute >hepatitis. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Thanks > Wayne in Ottawa > Hey Wayne, > Try this: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > cactus jammies '''''''''''''' Thanks for your reply I sure hope turmeric is good for me 'cause I hate the stuff ;-) Wayne Wayne, Dosage I use for tumeric is 1/4 teaspoon three times a week. My own Rx after reading up on it thoroughly. I have ordered some Reishi Mushroom extract but I am not so sure about the interactive properites, so it will sit around for a while as I research a bit more. The extract comes from a reputable distributor, btw. There is a web site or two that provides info on sham vs reliable sources for complementary tonics and medicines. Cactus jammies ------------------- >> Hey Wayne, >> Try this: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I sure hope turmeric is good for me 'cause I hate the stuff ;-) > Wayne I checked out the website you gave me and it was very informative. It didn't even mention tumeric ;-) Thanks again. Wayne No it wouldn't. Western medicine is just catching up to Turmeric and Milk thistle as liver tonics to help reduce inflamation and allow for celluar regeneration. CJ >I checked out the website you gave me and it was very informative. It >didn't even mention tumeric ;-) > Thanks again. > Wayne > I was just told some test results by my Dr. and he said I have acute > hepatitis. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Wayne in Ottawa > My experience tells me that "5oz liquor daily" is understated (at least). Cut out the alcohol. That's be a huge improvement. Get to an AA meeting if you think that you can't stop. Your liver will thank you. >I was just told some test results by my Dr. and he said I have acute >hepatitis. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Can anyone give me some diet advice? Hi Wayne, The single best thing you can do for your liver is to quit drinking alcohol. Food (unless it's contaminated) will not cause hepatitis; alcohol will. Yes, I have stopped drinking alcohol. That was Friday. No cravings so far and no more stomach aches. Wayne > Yes, I have stopped drinking alcohol. That was Friday. No cravings so far > and no more stomach aches. > Wayne It makes quitting so much easier when you realize that it's killing you ;-) >> Yes, I have stopped drinking alcohol. That was Friday. No cravings so far >> and no more stomach aches. >> Wayne >> > It makes quitting so much easier when you realize that it's killing you ;-) Fear is an excellent motivator ;-)  SignatureCody To email me, remove shoes first >>> Yes, I have stopped drinking alcohol. That was Friday. No cravings so >>> far and no more stomach aches. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> ;-) > Fear is an excellent motivator ;-) ... and a suberb marketing tool. >> Yes, I have stopped drinking alcohol. That was Friday. No cravings so far >> and no more stomach aches. >> Wayne >> > It makes quitting so much easier when you realize that it's killing you > ;-) That's for sure. When you gain weight there are always pills for the high blood pressure and cholesterol and the threat of dying is always a long way off. When the doc says if you don't stop drinking, it will kill you very soon, it makes for a great motivator. right on, Wayne. No more hangovers, or "what the f.ck happened last night..." issues to live down. Only good stuff now, as you learn to take care and listen to your body and greet each day as the first and last of your life, love will be there. CJ > Yes, I have stopped drinking alcohol. That was Friday. No cravings so far > and no more stomach aches. > Wayne > I'm thinking the cause is my alcohol consumption >rather than viral. That combined with the Lipitor I bet. "Avoid drinking alcohol while taking atorvastatin. Alcohol can raise triglyceride levels, and may also damage your liver while you are taking atorvastatin." (from http://www.drugs.com/Lipitor/index.html) Don Odd that the tests done every three months to see if the Lipitor was doing any damage wouldn't have shown something before this apparent crisis. I thought I was safe to carry on indulging myself until the test results gave me a warning. Wayne > Odd that the tests done every three months to see if the Lipitor was doing > any damage wouldn't have shown something before this apparent crisis. > I thought I was safe to carry on indulging myself until the test results > gave me a warning. > Wayne Well, the results are in. It's alcohol. Apparently the liver keeps compensating showing no symptoms and then it suddenly has enough and fails. Like a filter that finally gets plugged. The doc says that no permament harm has been done yet and in a month things should be almost normal again. He says if I have any alcohol it will jump right back. For me, alcohol is now poison. This may be the best thing because I'm overweight due to alcohol and that brings a host of other problems. Wayne >> Odd that the tests done every three months to see if the Lipitor was doing >> any damage wouldn't have shown something before this apparent crisis. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > brings a host of other problems. > Wayne No hangovers is a good thing too ;-) SignatureCody To email me, remove shoes first Wayne, If you were able to get an accurate diagnosis for Fatty Liver, (Steatosis) you would find that your liver is plugged up with fat. That fat has to be flushed out. Oh... you will never get an accurate diagnosis of the extent of your Steatosis unless you have a biopsy. Milkthistle seems to have helped me to move it to vent (ahem), no more jaudiced eyeballs, no more gall bladder irriation, but don't take my word for it, research on Pub Med or MedLine. good luck cactus jammies >> Odd that the tests done every three months to see if the Lipitor was >> doing any damage wouldn't have shown something before this apparent [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > brings a host of other problems. > Wayne > Wayne, > If you were able to get an accurate diagnosis for Fatty Liver, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > jaudiced eyeballs, no more gall bladder irriation, but don't take my word > for it, research on Pub Med or MedLine. Nothing on PubMed or MedLine states that milkthistle is beneficial in the treatment of hepatitis c, alcohol-related hepatitis or liver steatosis. The only studies I've found are inconclusive, and a number of them list adverse effects. In other words, as far as treating hep c with milkthistle, the jury is still out. In your case, CJ, I ask you to consider what else you've done/are doing besides taking milkthistle. I suspect that major lifestyle and diet changes you've made should be getting more credit than the milkthistle ;-) Waterspider Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't get it to do the jelly fish float (Johnny Carson) The problem with traditional tonics is that there is no money in doing the megabux research and the accompanying patents such as the grossly over-the-top greed-factory that is the Pharma bunch in the USA. Which seems to rule, up to the socialized aspects of Canadian system, regardless of your opinions. :) cj > Nothing on PubMed or MedLine states that milkthistle is beneficial in the > treatment of hepatitis c, alcohol-related hepatitis or liver steatosis. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Waterspider Look, at some point people have to accept that they are ultimately responsible in at least some ways for their conditions, and certainly doing someone's research for them only to have the passive-aggressives in the crowd scream no no no is not productive and not responsible and creates anxiety and more suffering. so get a grip on this. http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/milk-thistle-000266.htm http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/milktsum.htm http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/bv.fcgi?rid=hstat1.chapter.29128 http://www.deliciouslivingmag.com/healthnotes/healthnotes.cfm?org=nh&lang=EN&Con tentID=3057000 (or http://tinyurl.com/yre3jm) http://www.catie.ca/supple-e.nsf/9f213e0a9cf6ceba85256f5f006dd33c/7b09aa55a41289 6c85256c6e0070bf60! OpenDocument (or http://tinyurl.com/2x9dm8) Turmeric: http://www.umm.edu/fcgi-bin/search/search.fcgi? searchSite=this&conf=1&showMode=showthis&showPosition=&p=1&lang=en&mode=all&q=turmeric&go=Searc h (or: http://tinyurl.com/2gdx4j) http://www.raysahelian.com/turmeric.html http://www.psa-rising.com/eatingwell/turmeric.htm http://www.wellcome.ac.uk/doc_WTX031955.html http://getinvolved.nih.gov/newsbulletins/Rsingle.asp?id=210&issue=december2004 http://www.metavitae.com/archives/2005/05/encouraging_res.php > Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't get it to do the > jelly fish float (Johnny Carson) [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> >> Waterspider Forget it cj. She's a one-trick pony. She got lucky with interferon and somehow that rendered her an authority on hep c. There is abundant evidence, both anecdotal and scientific, that milk thistle contributes to liver health. Nice job with the links :-) kj hangin in there > Forget it cj. Ya, Kjoh, I am not going to dwell on it, I face death every day and I want many more of them, so if my jaundice clears and my sense of smell starts to return and my gall bladder stops twinging and the slight referenced pains in my upper chest go away, and I am coincidentally taking MT and Turmeric, well cause and effect must be in there. Somewhere. Just quitting the booze was not enough. My urine was dark, it is now clear and healthy if anyone really wants to know where the stripped fat goes. One other thing... Rx anti-psychotics (some) are very hard on the liver. Never do them. (heh heh) And I do not want to judge people (anyone), all I have now is good will in mind and it is very very difficult to maintain balance as that Taoist monk told me in the SF airport international holding pen, last year. Mexico again this year. yay! I will be adding to my photobucket a section on Chi balance called "refuge from the storm" I will post it here under a different subject line, as it is theraputic. how are your days, Kjoh? stormy cj > Forget it cj. She's a one-trick pony. She got lucky with interferon and > somehow that rendered her an authority on hep c. There is abundant [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > kj > hangin in there > Forget it cj. She's a one-trick pony. She got lucky with interferon and > somehow that rendered her an authority on hep c. There is abundant > evidence, both anecdotal and scientific, that milk thistle contributes to > liver health. There's a huge leap between "milk thistle contributes to liver health" and "milk thistle cures hepatitis c." And, there is still no conclusive, scientific proof that milk thistle contributes to liver health in a direct way. That I can see the difference, and that the difference is important to me, is hardly a reason for you to attack me personally. You know nothing about me, except that my hep c tx was successful and I'll be goddamned if I'm going to apologize for that. Get over it. Move on. That *will* contribute to your liver health. > You know nothing about me, except that my hep c tx was successful and I'll > be goddamned if I'm going to apologize for that. > Get over it. Move on. That *will* contribute to your liver health. - WS > re: Kjoh WS/ Well, friend, I for one will apologize to you for heaping my baggage about this at your door. If you will allow me the grace to do so. (by now you can tell I do not use Irony or Sarcasm as I was always in the habit of using once upon a time) Bob cj >> Forget it cj. She's a one-trick pony. She got lucky with interferon and >> somehow that rendered her an authority on hep c. There is abundant [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > be goddamned if I'm going to apologize for that. > Get over it. Move on. That *will* contribute to your liver health. From : "kjoh" <kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com> Message-ID : <7889ba21c665129c5c645b9f03d12345@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com> >She got lucky with interferon That's the way it goes, god loves waterspout and gave her luck, on the other hand god don't love you and you lucked out.. get it huh ? You need to educate yourself about the adverse effects that the speculative antioxidant activity of silymarin can/may have on some people, then come back and talk some more -- Honorable Professeur Von TwoSteps OA *I* care f.ck off. From : "kjoh" <kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com> Message-ID : <a424a6a98a954cfa910d63284116b9c3@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com> >f.ck off Nasty little bitch aintcha.. Noworries stoopid, *I* shall pray for you while *you* ride on your stick of ignorance -- HPVTS =] n00b slayer.professional > From : "kjoh" <kjohyay...@nospamyahoo.com> > Message-ID : <a424a6a98a954cfa910d63284116b...@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > HPVTS =] n00b slayer.professional Bombastic bag of stale air? Stupid moniker as well. Peace out > From : "kjoh" <kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com> > Message-ID : > <7889ba21c665129c5c645b9f03d12345@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com> > You need to educate yourself about the adverse effects that the > speculative > antioxidant activity of silymarin can/may have on some people ............................................... For me to be cleared up about this, I started at: http://tinyurl.com/22mgqa or: the same place with a different name: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/10006196 /ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0 ahem, Everything has toxic or detrimental effects if taken in the wrong quantity or in the wrong combination. Too high a concentration of oxygen can do serious damage to your system that is accustomed to 'the air', or the famous analogy about water and drowning in it. I am going to venture to enter the office of my PCP (!) and ask for lipids, triglicerides and cholesterol checks, as well as Bilyrubin quantification when I get a chance. I suffer from chronic disystolic hypertension, an inherited condtion. I have been taking certain Rx's to control it to below the danger point for quite some years, (since my mother passed), when the BP was extremely high. It has never been changed because it seems to have worked. I will also challenge my PCP to have a look at the Herbs for HepC Livers (NOT A CURE, JUST TONICS FOR LIVER FUNCTION) Wouldn't it be wonderful if my hypersion tests indicate my BP has gone down signifcantly from that control point? I think so, but I am only hoping, after all. todos las veces, cj --- oh ps ps ps fyi, there just happened to appear yesterday, a rummaging real live cougar and then a grizzly bear, turn up and by circumstance, control the coyote infestation. I didn't even get a chance to make tape loops of cougar growls etc. to help around our place. Oh pooh! We live on the fringe and within the grid. And mango is balanced once again, an indoors-at-night kitty now that can tell when it is time to safely go out into the fringe wilderness. Simple, I guess, the cat's need to please the host. |
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