Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / April 2007
Alternative Effective Treatment for Hepatitis C
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Health Man - 03 Apr 2007 16:18 GMT Hi Everyone,
There is a fascinating article in Alternative Medicine magazine on a very successful alternative treatment (not CURE) for Hepatitis and other liver ailments -
http://www.alchemistlab.com/Alchemist-article1.pdf
Apparently this doctor has had amazing success in helping people with Hepatitis C. It appears from his website that he does case specific treatment with people all over the world, see http://www.alchemistlab.com/consultation4.html
I thought some of you might find it interesting.
Peace & Blessings, Shaw
Waterspider - 03 Apr 2007 20:13 GMT > Hi Everyone, > > There is a fascinating article in Alternative Medicine magazine on a > very successful alternative treatment (not CURE) for Hepatitis and > other liver ailments - You say that a "very successful ... treatment" is not a cure. So what would you call a treatment that resulted in a cure? A very very very successful treatment????
BTW, the "Alchemist Lab" article says that only about 20% of patients respond to (conventional treatment) and fewer in "more virulent strains." This is utter ignorance of medical science, or a deliberate lie. Author Steven Finkbine also makes the wild and unsubstantiated claim that silymarin (milk thistle) will increase production of new liver cells to replace damaged ones and can prevent "liver destruction." I'm sure there's more, but I didn't feel like wasting any more time reading.
Health Man, may I suggest that you change your pseudo to Snake Oil Man or, giving you the benefit of the doubt, Blindly Optimistic Fool.
brian - 03 Apr 2007 22:40 GMT >> Hi Everyone, >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Health Man, may I suggest that you change your pseudo to Snake Oil Man or, > giving you the benefit of the doubt, Blindly Optimistic Fool. You got that right sister!
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anonymousone - 04 Apr 2007 00:11 GMT > Hi Everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Peace & Blessings, > Shaw I looked into all this stuff. Before starting treatment I looked to see if there was an alternative medicine treatment that was effective in ridding one of the virus. There is not. Although I believe that alternative medicine is effective with some conditions, they cannot at the present time rid one of the virus. Conventional medicine has the most effective treatment.
However, if one is a non-responder or cant afford treatment, I would consider this approach if I couldnt get into a clinical trial
kjoh - 04 Apr 2007 00:16 GMT Hi gang.
Everyone who has spent ten looking minutes on the internet knows that the only way to eradicate hcv is conventional medical treatment. Statistics for genotype 1 put the first-time the cure rate at roughly 50%. For G1 relapsers, re-treatment successes appear to fall in area of 20%, depending on which study you look at.
Because I am a genotype 1 relapser and may not have access to re-treatment, I find it helpful and hopeful to remain open-minded (or at least tolerant!) of others' ideas when it comes to retaining my liver health.
Although not specific to HCV, pasted below is part of a new and noteworthy blurb about milk thistle from the pubmed.gov medical database. The bottom line is that so far there is no conclusive evidence that milk thistle does anything for heppers except lower liver enzyme levels. It is exciting that it is getting some serious attention though. There are even a few clinically controlled government studies in process. See clinicaltrials.gov. There has been no substantial research into whether combining milk thistle with conventional treatment is beneficial or detrimental. We just don't know.
One of the reasons milk thistle and its component molecules are the subject of scrutiny is that its history in folk medicine dates back hundreds of years. That is a starting point for medical researchers who systematically scan plant materials for novel molecules. For those who doubt the potential medicinal value of herbal remedies, remember the origins of penicillin (fungus), taxol (plant), cyclosporin (fungus), aspirin (plant), digitalis (plant)...the list is long.
kj
Silybin and silymarin--new and emerging applications in medicine. Curr Med Chem. 2007;14(3):315-38
"Significance of silymarin and its components in medicine is clearly indicated by an exponential growth of publications on this topic--over 800 papers in the last 5 years."
"This review critically surveys the literature published mainly within this millennium on the new and emerging applications of silybin (pure, chemically defined substance) and silymarin (flavonoid complex from Silybum marianum - milk thistle seeds). These compounds used so far mostly as hepatoprotectants were shown to have other interesting activities, e.g. anticancer and canceroprotective and also hypocholesterolemic activity. These effects were demonstrated in a large variety of illnesses of different organs, e.g. prostate, lungs, CNS, kidneys, pancreas and also in the skin protection. Besides the cytoprotective activity of silybin mediated by its antioxidative and radical-scavenging properties also new functions based on the specific receptor interaction were discovered. ... Significance of silymarin and its components in the medicine is clearly indicated by an exponential growth of publications on this topic--over 800 papers in the last 5 years blah blah."
kjoh - 04 Apr 2007 00:50 GMT penicillin (fungus), taxol (plant), cyclosporin (fungus), aspirin (plant), digitalis (plant)...
Whoops ha ha I forgot to add pot to my list of herbal medicinals! A cannabinoid derivative (Sativex) is legal now in Canada for the treatment of multiple sclerosis pain.
kj
Waterspider - 04 Apr 2007 17:37 GMT > penicillin (fungus), taxol (plant), cyclosporin (fungus), aspirin (plant), > digitalis (plant)... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > kj Marijuana itself is also available for medicinal use in Canada, although the government-grown pot is apparently substandard, for multiple sclerosis, chemotherapy side effects, any terminal illness and a host of chronic ones.
Now you guys know how we can put up with so much hockey :-)
Russian - 10 Apr 2007 06:30 GMT > Now you guys know how we can put up with so much hockey :-) <BG>
Gordo Mondragon - 24 Apr 2007 12:28 GMT In article <70acdc3ac27c623e40bec5788bcd1902@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>,
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> For those who > doubt the potential medicinal value of herbal remedies, remember the > origins of penicillin (fungus), taxol (plant), cyclosporin (fungus), > aspirin (plant), digitalis (plant)...the list is long. Out of all possible chemical combinations the set of living organisms use only a tiny subset and because of how we've evolved over millennia it's more likely that a naturally-occurring chemical will be biologically active in our bodies than a randomly synthesized molecule. If you're doing research with the "throw it at the wall and see what sticks" method then given the almost infinite number of molecular combinations it makes sense to start with the those that are naturally occurring.
Where a lot of people get confused is with the difference between "biologically active" and "natural remedy". Caffeine may have developed to prevent the plants that produce it from being eaten (it's very toxic to dogs and horses.) It's not toxic in humans and has a whole range of effects that we find beneficial. It's pretty clear that the introduction of coffee/tea was one of the critical enablers of the industrial revolution by allowing people to control when, and how long, they were alert. After the invention of the concept and measurement of time this is one of the more profound events in human social evolution.
So to me, "herbal remedy" is a meaningless term. Any non-nutritive substance that comes from plants has the possibility of unnaturally modifying the functioning of our bodies. Being the crafty apes that we are, sometimes we figure out how to use them to pull ourselves out of the natural process of disease/death, and body dysfunction/death.
Sometimes we can figure out how to have a good party, too.
G
Jeff - 27 Apr 2007 02:57 GMT Chinese medicine has a whole pharmacopia of medicinal herbs and their usage. When you study Chinese medicine you have to go through 2 to 3 years of basic principles first. Only after that are you eligible and qualified to take the herbal courses. The courses in Chinese herbs are like graduate courses in that respect. That is because the diagnosis and treatment using herbs is considered to be much more complex and - Yes - potentially dangerous if not prescribe properly. They have hundreds of years of experience and vast compendiums of knowledge regarding herbs and their medicinal use. I know this because I studied Chinese medicine for 2 years.
tx Jeff
> In article > <70acdc3ac27c623e40bec5788bcd1902@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > G Jeff - 04 Apr 2007 03:08 GMT Having actually spent 2 years of my life studying Chinese Medicine (in the Boston area) I found the article very interesting. While it was almost 20 years ago that I studied it, I did think the article was true to the principles of the practice.
And during the time I studied TCM I had witnessed many remarkable successes both on myself and on others. I do think it takes many years thouhg to be a really good TCM practitioner and there are not a lot of them out there.
Chinese Medicine looks to build on the natural energies of the body and in some respects works to assist the body to do what it should be doing under normal or optimal conditions. I also believe that the developers of TCM were very in tune with making keen observations of the relationships of the different organs.
In fact for anyone who has ever studied Yoga, Tai Chi, or Chi Gung you will know that the exercises are not even designed to build strong muscles. They are specifically designed to increase energy or blood flow to the different organs. They knew that this was the true way to obtain better health. And if you've ever met a Tai Chi or Chi Gung master the proof of concept would be readily apparent.
So I would not be too quick to discredit this information. It may seem strange to many but there is a lot more to it then meets the eye, so to speak.
..just my 2 cents
tx Jeff
> Hi Everyone, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Peace & Blessings, > Shaw
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