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Randy T. - 14 Mar 2007 02:14 GMT
perhaps i handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a
group concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else
here. but like you, i too am here. i am not a troll at all. jumping on
tom for his informative posts on iron was wrong. either you know nothing
of the dangers excess iron poses to varied organs or you are just stoned
and letting it all hang out.  bottom line, excess iron storage by
ingestion of iron pills  or by hereditary loading disorders is and
should be a very big concern in persons with HCV or any liver disease.
And should be of concern for any white person of western european
decent. (app. 1 out of 200- )--- compare to 1 out of 150 with autism
(Children) point here is there are alot of you wth herediitary
hemochromatosis.  a great many who do not know it. alot of you have
people who have died of heart disease brought on byHH. some have died of
liver cancer not knowing too much iron caused it. Some will pass on the
genes unknowingly to your children. if they learn about this now, they
can avoid major health problems.  now, lets get back to the topics
important to all of us. if i offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to
defend others as i would myself. its hereditary probably.......Randy
Cactus Jammies - 14 Mar 2007 03:10 GMT
OK for what its worth, it was a bad day in Mudville for me that day when I
wrote that, most of it was harangue, but ... I was watching this circular
conversation go on and on about something that nobody but the iron guy had
anything to say about.  and of things, in my experience with Liver issues,
have never had brought to my attention in any other forum but this one.  So,
no nothin on the hepC pages, nothing on the pubmed type pages, nothing
except all this stuff from IronGuy.  So it makes you wonder.  and no, I
should not shoot so damn fast, I guess.  I thought the part about the Great
Magnet was funny, though.

cactus jammies
/////////////////////////
> perhaps i handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a
> group concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> important to all of us. if i offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to
> defend others as i would myself. its hereditary probably.......Randy
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 14 Mar 2007 03:39 GMT
Kind of a roundabout way of saying "I'm sorry." isn't it, CJ?  You got a
problem with apologies?  C'mon, tell him you're sorry.  Belly up, bro.  

By the way, I've talked about iron overload many times here before.  The
topic deserves more attention than is paid to it by those other hepc
forums you mentioned.  Tom's posts about iron are extracts and such from
mostly reliable and respected sources....he's not making this stuff up.
You were way out of line for attacking him, CJ.  
cheeers
elmo  
/////////////////
OK for what its worth, it was a bad day in Mudville for me that day when
I wrote that, most of it was harangue, but ... I was watching this
circular conversation go on and on about something that nobody but the
iron guy had anything to say about. and of things, in my experience with
Liver issues, have never had brought to my attention in any other forum
but this one. So, no nothin on the hepC pages, nothing on the pubmed
type pages, nothing except all this stuff from IronGuy. So it makes you
wonder. and no, I should not shoot so damn fast, I guess. I thought the
part about the Great Magnet was funny, though.
cactus jammies
/////////////////////////
"Randy T." <RandyThomas777@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12114-45F74C8C-996@storefull-3351.bay.webtv.net...
perhaps i handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a
group concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else
here. but like you, i too am here. i am not a troll at all. jumping on
tom for his informative posts on iron was wrong. either you know nothing
of the dangers excess iron poses to varied organs or you are just stoned
and letting it all hang out. bottom line, excess iron storage by
ingestion of iron pills or by hereditary loading disorders is and should
be a very big concern in persons with HCV or any liver disease. And
should be of concern for any white person of western european decent.
(app. 1 out of 200- )--- compare to 1 out of 150 with autism (Children)
point here is there are alot of you wth herediitary hemochromatosis. a
great many who do not know it. alot of you have people who have died of
heart disease brought on byHH. some have died of liver cancer not
knowing too much iron caused it. Some will pass on the genes unknowingly
to your children. if they learn about this now, they can avoid major
health problems. now, lets get back to the topics important to all of
us. if i offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to defend others as i would
myself. its hereditary probably.......Randy

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Cactus Jammies - 14 Mar 2007 16:04 GMT
Well then, if sorry is what you need, then sorry is what I am, regardless of
the fact that I do regret sending out that harangue on Tom.  I am not sure,
but I think 'tom' posts under at least two different aliases.  It was one of
the ironguy (justice) latest postings that was 'spammed' to a number of
different support lists on the NNTP scape that bugged me, and I think then,
I made a mistake in who the target was, it was Ironjustice, actually, oops.
Anyways, when the posting goes to more than one group, it means that the
poster does not expect discussion as all the subsequent cross-postings would
soon lead to chaos.  It means no respect, too.
so ya ok, I ain't no fuckkin cop anyways, so I am sorry for doing that, tom.

cactus jammies ============ (trimming nntp addresses on postings, if I
remember)
> Kind of a roundabout way of saying "I'm sorry." isn't it, CJ?  You got a
> problem with apologies?  C'mon, tell him you're sorry.  Belly up, bro.
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>
> http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 15 Mar 2007 15:20 GMT
So what if Tom's posts made their way to more than one group or not?  He
wasn't spamming this group.  Hasn't he replied to each and every inquiry
as to the content and intentions of his posts?  That aint 'spam'.  I'm
guessing that if you suffered from iron overload, you'd be more
appreciative of his posts.  
elmo
no baloney, please
cheesesteaks and clam chowder
///////////////
Well then, if sorry is what you need, then sorry is what I am,
regardless of the fact that I do regret sending out that harangue on
Tom. I am not sure, but I think 'tom' posts under at least two different
aliases. It was one of the ironguy (justice) latest postings that was
'spammed' to a number of different support lists on the NNTP scape that
bugged me, and I think then, I made a mistake in who the target was, it
was Ironjustice, actually, oops. Anyways, when the posting goes to more
than one group, it means that the poster does not expect discussion as
all the subsequent cross-postings would soon lead to chaos. It means no
respect, too. so ya ok, I ain't no fuckkin cop anyways, so I am sorry
for doing that, tom.
cactus jammies ============ (trimming nntp addresses on postings, if I
remember)
<elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12999-45F7604B-139@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
Kind of a roundabout way of saying "I'm sorry." isn't it, CJ? You got a
problem with apologies? C'mon, tell him you're sorry. Belly up, bro.
By the way, I've talked about iron overload many times here before. The
topic deserves more attention than is paid to it by those other hepc
forums you mentioned. Tom's posts about iron are extracts and such from
mostly reliable and respected sources....he's not making this stuff up.
You were way out of line for attacking him, CJ. cheeers
elmo
/////////////////
OK for what its worth, it was a bad day in Mudville for me that day when
I wrote that, most of it was harangue, but ... I was watching this
circular conversation go on and on about something that nobody but the
iron guy had anything to say about. and of things, in my experience with
Liver issues, have never had brought to my attention in any other forum
but this one. So, no nothin on the hepC pages, nothing on the pubmed
type pages, nothing except all this stuff from IronGuy. So it makes you
wonder. and no, I should not shoot so damn fast, I guess. I thought the
part about the Great Magnet was funny, though. cactus jammies
/////////////////////////
"Randy T." <RandyThomas777@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12114-45F74C8C-996@storefull-3351.bay.webtv.net... perhaps i
handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a group
concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else here. but
like you, i too am here. i am not a troll at all. jumping on tom for his
informative posts on iron was wrong. either you know nothing of the
dangers excess iron poses to varied organs or you are just stoned and
letting it all hang out. bottom line, excess iron storage by ingestion
of iron pills or by hereditary loading disorders is and should be a very
big concern in persons with HCV or any liver disease. And should be of
concern for any white person of western european decent. (app. 1 out of
200- )--- compare to 1 out of 150 with autism (Children) point here is
there are alot of you wth herediitary hemochromatosis. a great many who
do not know it. alot of you have people who have died of heart disease
brought on byHH. some have died of liver cancer not knowing too much
iron caused it. Some will pass on the genes unknowingly to your
children. if they learn about this now, they can avoid major health
problems. now, lets get back to the topics important to all of us. if i
offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to defend others as i would myself.
its hereditary probably.......Randy
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Sex Flu Researcher - 17 Mar 2007 18:30 GMT
My take on this whole mess is that Elmo was a little quick on the draw
to criticize you for calling Iron Man Tom a nut.  I think you should
demand an apology from Elmo.  And if he doesn't give you one, I'll turn
the old rascal into a frog or something.   Tom ought to be ashamed of
himself for posting under aliases, the fucktard.  
Dr Iam Killborn
============
Well then, if sorry is what you need, then sorry is what I am,
regardless of the fact that I do regret sending out that harangue on
Tom. I am not sure, but I think 'tom' posts under at least two different
aliases. It was one of the ironguy (justice) latest postings that was
'spammed' to a number of different support lists on the NNTP scape that
bugged me, and I think then, I made a mistake in who the target was, it
was Ironjustice, actually, oops. Anyways, when the posting goes to more
than one group, it means that the poster does not expect discussion as
all the subsequent cross-postings would soon lead to chaos. It means no
respect, too. so ya ok, I ain't no fuckkin cop anyways, so I am sorry
for doing that, tom.
cactus jammies ============ (trimming nntp addresses on postings, if I
remember)
<elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12999-45F7604B-139@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net...
Kind of a roundabout way of saying "I'm sorry." isn't it, CJ? You got a
problem with apologies? C'mon, tell him you're sorry. Belly up, bro.
By the way, I've talked about iron overload many times here before. The
topic deserves more attention than is paid to it by those other hepc
forums you mentioned. Tom's posts about iron are extracts and such from
mostly reliable and respected sources....he's not making this stuff up.
You were way out of line for attacking him, CJ. cheeers
elmo
/////////////////
OK for what its worth, it was a bad day in Mudville for me that day when
I wrote that, most of it was harangue, but ... I was watching this
circular conversation go on and on about something that nobody but the
iron guy had anything to say about. and of things, in my experience with
Liver issues, have never had brought to my attention in any other forum
but this one. So, no nothin on the hepC pages, nothing on the pubmed
type pages, nothing except all this stuff from IronGuy. So it makes you
wonder. and no, I should not shoot so damn fast, I guess. I thought the
part about the Great Magnet was funny, though. cactus jammies
/////////////////////////
"Randy T." <RandyThomas777@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:12114-45F74C8C-996@storefull-3351.bay.webtv.net... perhaps i
handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a group
concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else here. but
like you, i too am here. i am not a troll at all. jumping on tom for his
informative posts on iron was wrong. either you know nothing of the
dangers excess iron poses to varied organs or you are just stoned and
letting it all hang out. bottom line, excess iron storage by ingestion
of iron pills or by hereditary loading disorders is and should be a very
big concern in persons with HCV or any liver disease. And should be of
concern for any white person of western european decent. (app. 1 out of
200- )--- compare to 1 out of 150 with autism (Children) point here is
there are alot of you wth herediitary hemochromatosis. a great many who
do not know it. alot of you have people who have died of heart disease
brought on byHH. some have died of liver cancer not knowing too much
iron caused it. Some will pass on the genes unknowingly to your
children. if they learn about this now, they can avoid major health
problems. now, lets get back to the topics important to all of us. if i
offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to defend others as i would myself.
its hereditary probably.......Randy
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile
http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 14 Mar 2007 03:24 GMT
att. cactus and spider  

Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 9:14pm (CDT+1)
From: RandyThomas777@webtv.net (Randy T.)
perhaps i handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a
group concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else
here. but like you, i too am here. i am not a troll at all. jumping on
tom for his informative posts on iron was wrong. either you know nothing
of the dangers excess iron poses to varied organs or you are just stoned
and letting it all hang out. bottom line, excess iron storage by
ingestion of iron pills or by hereditary loading disorders is and should
be a very big concern in persons with HCV or any liver disease. And
should be of concern for any white person of western european decent.
(app. 1 out of 200- )--- compare to 1 out of 150 with autism (Children)
point here is there are alot of you wth herediitary hemochromatosis. a
great many who do not know it. alot of you have people who have died of
heart disease brought on byHH. some have died of liver cancer not
knowing too much iron caused it. Some will pass on the genes unknowingly
to your children. if they learn about this now, they can avoid major
health problems. now, lets get back to the topics important to all of
us. if i offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to defend others as i would
myself. its hereditary probably.......Randy
//////////////
Randy, that's the most intelligent thing I've ever heard you say.  And I
happen to agree with what you're saying.  Also, it's rare when someone
apologizes in this forum and I respect you for that.  Like you said,
let's get back to the job of slaying dragons and what not.  
elmo

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Waterspider - 14 Mar 2007 04:37 GMT
> perhaps i handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a
> group concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> important to all of us. if i offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to
> defend others as i would myself. its hereditary probably.......Randy

Apology accepted, Randy.

For the record, I'm well aware of the dangers of iron and of hemochrmatosis
(with two Irish grandparents, it's of interest), and I agree with what
you're saying. I also mostly agree with Tom about iron issues, but the guy
comes across as such a relentless, fanatical freak that he gets on
everyone's nerves. I don't think he's ever had a reasonable back-and-forth
discussion with anyone, it's all some kind of hell-and-brimstone lecture
from ole Ironsides, over and over, for years and years. Sometimes I think he
might be a bot.

Perhaps we should talk more about iron in relation to liver disease.
Encourage people to read labels (vitamins to breakfast cereal), majorly cut
back if not give up red meat, start cooking with stainless steel, always get
the hh test with a hep c diagnosis and so on. It's critical information,
you're right, and I'm with you on that.

<passes Randy the joint>
elmoemerson@webtv.net - 14 Mar 2007 14:33 GMT
I also mostly agree with Tom about iron issues, but the guy comes
across as such a relentless, fanatical freak that he gets on everyone's
nerves. I don't think he's ever had a reasonable back-and-forth
discussion with anyone, it's all some kind of hell-and-brimstone lecture
from ole Ironsides, over and over, for years and years. Sometimes I
think he might be a bot.
Waterspider
<passes Randy the joint>
/////////
Yeah, Iron Man Tom doesn't seem all that  interested in interacting with
folk in this NG.  Why?  Who knows!?  Does that make him odd or
eccentric?  Maybe, but I doubt it.  Let's give the man a break and thank
him for all the valuable information he's provided.  I've never seen him
post anything rude or offensive to anybody.  
Elmo
President, Coalition for the Odd and Eccentric (COE)  

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile

http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum
Randy T. - 20 Mar 2007 20:19 GMT
ahhh irish in the house!
brian - 16 Mar 2007 21:35 GMT
> perhaps i handled things wrong concerning iron overload topics in a
> group concerned with hcv. i am not above nor am i below anyone else
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> important to all of us. if i offended anyone, i am sorry. i tend to
> defend others as i would myself. its hereditary probably.......Randy

When I first started tx I found out that I had a iron overload.I had a few
sessions with phlebotomy and brought it down pretty fast.I also found out
that I have one Hemochromatosis gene.My Uncle had it and ended up having a
successful transplant.He lived another 7 or so years.He died of lung
cancer.We should know that Iron overload is fairly common for people with
HCV & liver disease.

BrianD

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