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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / March 2007Well, what about interferon?
There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis http://www.medical-library.org/journals_6a/polycythemia_vera.htm Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk >There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis > >http://www.medical-library.org/journals_6a/polycythemia_vera.htm I have to wonder whether this article carries any real weight in the medical community. It's written so poorly it's hard to believe it was ever reviewed. Paragraphs ending in mid-sentence, sentences ending in mid-thought... As for the conclusion, the author clearly isn't convinced that tx using IFN is the way to go... Cheers /greyhackles That is one funky website. I wonder if it is a scam... kj >>There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis http://www.medical-library.org/journals_6a/polycythemia_vera.htm I have to wonder whether this article carries any real weight in the medical community. It's written so poorly it's hard to believe it was ever reviewed. Paragraphs ending in mid-sentence, sentences ending in mid-thought... As for the conclusion, the author clearly isn't convinced that tx using IFN is the way to go... Cheers /greyhackles<< The link .. full story .. costs ten bucks and a credit card .. Sooo .. that effectively stops me from accessing .. it .. But .. it was mainly placed to show .. specifically .. interferon CAN and does decrease erythrocytosis .. and therefore places erythrocytosis .. 'possibly' .. involved .. Soooo .. I placed the article to show it IS used to treat erythrocytosis .. and since hepatitis is an iron loading disease and since erythrocytosis is an iron loading disease then the fact it is USED in hepatitis means .. there may be erythrocytosis .. lingering .. Since they purportedly have "no idea" .. why / how it actually is doing its' .. job / working / mode OF operation. Sooo .. since iron reduction .. works .. and since interferon also .. works .. means .. more evidence to .. erythrocytosis BEING .. involved .. because .. ? both interferon and iron reduction are USED to treat erythrocytosis. Sooo .. in conclusion .. increased red blood cell production .. higher hemoglobin .. 'may' be involved IN the pathogenesis of ANY disease in which interferon has been shown to have .. efficacy. IMHO .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk >>>There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >Who loves ya. >Tom Um....ok, I can see your sense of logic is working hard on this one. I'm just waiting for someone in authority to ring you up for ellipses abuse ;-) Cheers /greyhackles Hey grey, look at the spam list you just added iron to. alt.support.chronic-pain,alt.support.mult-sclerosis,uk.people.support.mult-sclerosis,alt.support.hepatitis-c,sci.med.diseases.hepatitis cactus jammies >>>>There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > /greyhackles >Hey grey, look at the spam list you just added iron to. > >alt.support.chronic-pain,alt.support.mult-sclerosis,uk.people.support.mult-sclerosis,alt.support.hepatitis-c,sci.med.diseases.hepatitis Well, no, there was absolutely no iron in my post - no irony either - and the group list was Tom's doing... Cheers /greyhackles >>>There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Who loves ya. > Tom Ok, Tom, I'm really curious. What is your story? I assume you have HCV, is that correct? Have you ever tried treatment? And since iron is such a huge concern of yours, what do you do for yourself and how has it affected your HCV and/or liver? I'm not being sarcastic. You've popped in and out of here a lot but never said anything about yourself. > >>>There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >>Ok, Tom, I'm really curious. What is your story? << My 'story' ,, is .. iron reduction is called "an effective alternative to interferon" .. THAT is about ALL about my .. story .. which REALLY .. **needs** to BE .. known .. AND .. interferon is used to treat erythrocytosis .. and hyperviscosity has been shown to be caused by .. erythrocytosis .. and hyperviscosity has been shown to exist in disease .. states .. THAT .. again .. is about ALL about my .. story .. which REALLY .. **needs** to BE .. known .. And .. no .. I am not .. afflicted with every disease I post to .. I am not a neonatal with erythrocytosis .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk tom you are full of your own red sh.t as it turns out, the excess Iron is just a way for the Great Magnet to deposit you in the coke ovens, you spamartist! have a toke, tom. be a person for a change. stop inventing things to make yourself feel important. And oh by the way Jesus (which one of thousands?) ate whatever the bugs in the Negyev let the israelites eat in those good old days. What about the Galalee fishes? Oh well, I don't want to debate a mailing robot. cactus jammies. ////////////////////// >> >>>There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis >> [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk that was and is an idiots response. i thought you were better than that.. Hey cactus head, you oviously know little about iron overload and the pancreas,liver, heart, brain,cardiovascular etc. you have shown your ignorance, now go dry up and blow away.... up your a.s Randy, that's where your head ususally is. iron justice was my target. > Hey cactus head, you oviously know little about iron overload and the > pancreas,liver, heart, brain,cardiovascular etc. you have shown your > ignorance, now go dry up and blow away.... > Hey cactus head, you oviously know little about iron overload and the > pancreas,liver, heart, brain,cardiovascular etc. you have shown your > ignorance, now go dry up and blow away.... Oh my. So you're too knowledgeable about human physiology to lower yourself to discussion with CJ... Well, perhaps you should go dry up and blow away, you're obviously so far above everyone here that your time is wasted on us ignorant little folks here. Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 1:14pm (CDT-2) From: nospam@all.com (Waterspider) "Randy T." <RandyThomas777@webtv.net> wrote in message news:497-45F6682F-703@storefull-3352.bay.webtv.net... Hey cactus head, you oviously know little about iron overload and the pancreas,liver, heart, brain,cardiovascular etc. you have shown your ignorance, now go dry up and blow away.... Oh my. So you're too knowledgeable about human physiology to lower yourself to discussion with CJ... Well, perhaps you should go dry up and blow away, you're obviously so far above everyone here that your time is wasted on us ignorant little folks here. //////////// Randy's uncalled for attack on CJ was merely a response to CJ's uncalled for attack on Tom. And now you're jumping on the bandwagon too, Spidey. What a ya say everybody step back from the precipice and start showing a little respect for one another again? Isn't anybody doing ribavirin in this fight.....there's no excuse. Now let's all light up a cigarette, smoke a fat one, and get along. Right, CJ? elmo warmin' up the bus http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > elmo > warmin' up the bus I'm all for that! <passes joint to CJ> Thanks for the perspective, Doc. Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 8:24pm (CDT-2) From: nospam@all.com (Waterspider) <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:12999-45F76357-141@storefull-3251.bay.webtv.net... Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2007, 1:14pm (CDT-2) From: nospam@all.com (Waterspider) "Randy T." <RandyThomas777@webtv.net> wrote in message news:497-45F6682F-703@storefull-3352.bay.webtv.net... Hey cactus head, you oviously know little about iron overload and the pancreas,liver, heart, brain,cardiovascular etc. you have shown your ignorance, now go dry up and blow away.... Oh my. So you're too knowledgeable about human physiology to lower yourself to discussion with CJ... Well, perhaps you should go dry up and blow away, you're obviously so far above everyone here that your time is wasted on us ignorant little folks here. //////////// Randy's uncalled for attack on CJ was merely a response to CJ's uncalled for attack on Tom. And now you're jumping on the bandwagon too, Spidey. What a ya say everybody step back from the precipice and start showing a little respect for one another again? Isn't anybody doing ribavirin in this fight.....there's no excuse. Now let's all light up a cigarette, smoke a fat one, and get along. Right, CJ? elmo warmin' up the bus I'm all for that! <passes joint to CJ> Thanks for the perspective, Doc. //////// And NO Bogarting that jay either, CJ! :-) elmo let me wring it out for you, man http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... cj under attack for being a fucktard and deserving it ps/ hint to others if you wish to remain not being a fucktard... ask for translations sometimes. and trim your headers when responding. and know when someone replys to a discussion on their own post under a different name. having said all that, I am sure 'tom' is a great guy. and know that its Ok when sometime someone is having a bad day and decides to NOT slam someone named 'tom'. I reserve the right to rip into the stinkin Klanners out there, tho. arbitrarily. cactus jammies =========== > Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > cactus jammies =========== Um...what was a fucktard again? It was discussed a while back but I can't remember what the final definition was. dort > > see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > dort http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fucktard >> see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > dort My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. >>>see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels > will cure hepatitis c. I'm living proof that it doesn't cure hep-c. I've had lots of phlebotomies and those damned dragons are still hanging around. Dwight Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 5:53am (CDT+5) From: me@notreal.net (Dwight) Waterspider wrote: <dort> wrote in message news:7K2dnUrv8PRPXmXYnZ2dnUVZ_r6vnZ2d@comcast.com... "Cactus Jammies" <cactusjammies@imitation.univ.net> wrote in message news:dFUJh.114855$cE3.113288@edtnps89... see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... cj under attack for being a fucktard and deserving it ps/ hint to others if you wish to remain not being a fucktard... ask for translations sometimes. and trim your headers when responding. and know when someone replys to a discussion on their own post under a different name. having said all that, I am sure 'tom' is a great guy. and know that its Ok when sometime someone is having a bad day and decides to NOT slam someone named 'tom'. I reserve the right to rip into the stinkin Klanners out there, tho. arbitrarily. cactus jammies =========== Um...what was a fucktard again? It was discussed a while back but I can't remember what the final definition was. dort My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. I'm living proof that it doesn't cure hep-c. I've had lots of phlebotomies and those damned dragons are still hanging around. Dwight /////////// Quite true, Dwight. But wouldn't you agree that the malady (iron overload) you're getting your blood drawn off for may have been a contributing factor for you not getting your SVR? elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum ggggeeezzzz if I knew as much about this virus as I suppose I should know, then I could just hide in the footnotes from the sucker. not. :) cactus jammies > I'm living proof that it doesn't cure hep-c. I've had lots of > phlebotomies and those damned dragons are still hanging around. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > contributing factor for you not getting your SVR? > elmo You said it! not. elmo ///////////// ggggeeezzzz if I knew as much about this virus as I suppose I should know, then I could just hide in the footnotes from the sucker. not. :) cactus jammies <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote I'm living proof that it doesn't cure hep-c. I've had lots of phlebotomies and those damned dragons are still hanging around. Dwight /////////// Quite true, Dwight. But wouldn't you agree that the malady (iron overload) you're getting your blood drawn off for may have been a contributing factor for you not getting your SVR? elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum It may have been one of the contributing factors, but I did keep the iron levels low during tx. Actually, tx kept my iron levels low. I'm not sure what kept me from clearing the virus, but I haven't given up on trying to get rid of it. Dwight very true. excess iron prevents meds from working their best Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:24pm (CDT-2) From: nospam@all.com (Waterspider) <dort> wrote in message news:7K2dnUrv8PRPXmXYnZ2dnUVZ_r6vnZ2d@comcast.com... "Cactus Jammies" <cactusjammies@imitation.univ.net> wrote in message news:dFUJh.114855$cE3.113288@edtnps89... see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... cj under attack for being a fucktard and deserving it ps/ hint to others if you wish to remain not being a fucktard... ask for translations sometimes. and trim your headers when responding. and know when someone replys to a discussion on their own post under a different name. having said all that, I am sure 'tom' is a great guy. and know that its Ok when sometime someone is having a bad day and decides to NOT slam someone named 'tom'. I reserve the right to rip into the stinkin Klanners out there, tho. arbitrarily. cactus jammies =========== Um...what was a fucktard again? It was discussed a while back but I can't remember what the final definition was. dort //////////// My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. //////////////// In some instances, NOT lowering iron levels will keep hepc patients from being cured. You can't dispute that, Spidey. It's a well documented fact. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > fact. > elmo Toms says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. That's irresponsible, undocumented and patently wrong. Spidey p.s. But, like Dort, I don't know the definition of "fucktard." > > Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom > > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > p.s. But, like Dort, I don't know the definition of "fucktard." Psst...Spidey...it's my suspicion that they are on sale at Fredricks of Hollywood...them there Fucktards I mean... Sorry...I am being cheeky... dort Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 11:55am (CDT-2) From: nospam@all.com (Waterspider) <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote in message news:776-45F944BC-196@storefull-3256.bay.webtv.net... Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Wed, Mar 14, 2007, 10:24pm (CDT-2) From: nospam@all.com (Waterspider) <dort> wrote in message news:7K2dnUrv8PRPXmXYnZ2dnUVZ_r6vnZ2d@comcast.com... "Cactus Jammies" <cactusjammies@imitation.univ.net> wrote in message news:dFUJh.114855$cE3.113288@edtnps89... see previous correpsondence this date, other subject header... cj under attack for being a fucktard and deserving it ps/ hint to others if you wish to remain not being a fucktard... ask for translations sometimes. and trim your headers when responding. and know when someone replys to a discussion on their own post under a different name. having said all that, I am sure 'tom' is a great guy. and know that its Ok when sometime someone is having a bad day and decides to NOT slam someone named 'tom'. I reserve the right to rip into the stinkin Klanners out there, tho. arbitrarily. cactus jammies =========== Um...what was a fucktard again? It was discussed a while back but I can't remember what the final definition was. dort //////////// My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. //////////////// In some instances, NOT lowering iron levels will keep hepc patients from being cured. You can't dispute that, Spidey. It's a well documented fact. elmo Toms says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. That's irresponsible, undocumented and patently wrong. Spidey p.s. But, like Dort, I don't know the definition of "fucktard." /////////////////// Welllll, Spidey........... if that's what he said, he is definitely incorrect. Hey Tom! Is that what you said? You don't really believe that bullshit, do you? elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum ///////////////// Toms says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. That's irresponsible, undocumented and patently wrong. Spidey '''''''''''''''' Hey Tom! Is that what you said? You don't really believe that bullshit, do you? elmo ========================= Hey Elmo, Do you really expect a straight forward answer? Maybe I am confused, but I never found one. I have looked in other places about metabolism and minerals and the Hep C patient, and from what I have seen on such places as: http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hepc/hepatitis_c/pdf/nutritionCareGuidelines/ Iron does not seem to be singled out as a primary issue. That site btw, has lots of credentials. It's really hard to know 'instinctivly' just what opinions are based in fact and benefit without doubt, and those assertions which are more wishful thinking than anything else. It is also confusing now, as some people are being really coy these days by saying that it is a fact that Hep C is never cured, but only managed to a point where it doesn't seem to want to damage our livers. but anyway... cactus jammies ========== <elmoemerson@webtv.net> wrote //////////// ws said: My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. //////////////// In some instances, NOT lowering iron levels will keep hepc patients from being cured. You can't dispute that, Spidey. It's a well documented fact. elmo ///////////////// Toms says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. That's irresponsible, undocumented and patently wrong. Spidey p.s. But, like Dort, I don't know the definition of "fucktard." /////////////////// Welllll, Spidey........... if that's what he said, he is definitely incorrect. Hey Tom! Is that what you said? You don't really believe that bullshit, do you? elmo Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Mar 16, 2007, 3:00pm (CDT+5) From: cactusjammies@imitation.univ.net (Cactus Jammies) ///////////////// Toms says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. That's irresponsible, undocumented and patently wrong. Spidey '''''''''''''''' Hey Tom! Is that what you said? You don't really believe that bullshit, do you? elmo ========================= Hey Elmo, Do you really expect a straight forward answer? Maybe I am confused, but I never found one. I have looked in other places about metabolism and minerals and the Hep C patient, and from what I have seen on such places as: http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/hepc/hepatitis_c/pdf/nutritionCareGuidelines/ Iron does not seem to be singled out as a primary issue. That site btw, has lots of credentials. /////////////////// Evidently, you're looking in all the wrong places, CJ. Do a google search of "hepatitis-c and iron overload" and you'll get more information about it than you can possibly read. Iron overload isn't so much of a nutritional topic as much as it is a metabolic issue. Perhaps that's why you didn't find much reference to it, credentially speaking. And no, I rarely expect a straight answer from you. :-) elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >>Toms says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. That's irresponsible, undocumented and patently wrong. Spidey '''''''''''''''' Hey Tom! Is that what you said? You don't really believe that bullshit, do you? elmo << Let's put it this way .. iron depletion is BETTER than anything .. If one gets regression of cirrhosis and fibrosis .. BY .. this 'treatment' and this 'treatment' .. just so happens to BE recommended FOR a disease which is ALSO has fibrosis and cirrhosis AND the target OF the 'treatment' {hepatitis C];.. then one can simply theorize that it .. WOULD .. cure it since reversal of fibrosis and cirrhosis in an organ that regenerates .. means .. ? .. the main problem OF hepatitis C is the destruction of the liver .. and since THAT is halted and regressed .. then .. ? Voila .. Cure .. Or as close to it as you are going to come. Regression of cirrhosis and fibrosis in a disease which iron is involved .. deposited in the liver .. and when removed .. reversal of cirrhosis and fibrosis. Ann Intern Med 2002 May 7;136(9):667-72 Reversibility of cirrhosis in patients cured of thalassemia by bone marrow transplantation. Muretto P, Angelucci E, Lucarelli G Unita Operativa di Anatomia Patologica, Azienda Ospedaliera San Salvatore di Pesaro, 6110 Pesaro, Italy. p.mure...@ospedalesansalvatore.it BACKGROUND: Cirrhosis is a well-known complication of thalassemia major. In this context, it is a consequence of iron overload and hepatitis C virus infection and generally seems to be irreversible. OBJECTIVE: To determine whether cirrhosis in thalassemia major can be reversible. DESIGN: Retrospective study. SETTING: Bone Marrow Transplantation Unit and Pathology Service, Pesaro Hospital, Pesaro, Italy. PATIENTS: 6 patients who developed liver cirrhosis before or after their thalassemia was cured by bone marrow transplantation (age at transplantation, 11 to 25 years). After diagnosis of cirrhosis, the patients received iron depletion and antiviral therapies. MEASUREMENTS: Each liver biopsy specimen was coded. A liver pathologist and a member of the transplantation center with expertise in hepatopathology graded the specimens by using the Ishak staging and grading systems. Neither knew the patient's identity or the sequence of biopsy with regard to the time of treatment. RESULTS: After the patients received iron depletion and antiviral therapies, liver biopsy specimens showed impressive reduction in liver iron stores. In 4 patients, iron removal was complete. Serum aminotransferase levels decreased in all patients and normalized in 5; histologic inflammatory activity decreased in all patients and disappeared in 2. Follow-up biopsies showed regression of incomplete or definite cirrhosis in all patients; 3 patients had presented with portal fibrosis without bridging, and the others had portal fibrosis and portal-to-portal bridging. Several biopsies and the presence of many portal spaces confirmed the diagnosis of cirrhosis; follow-up biopsies confirmed regression of cirrhosis. CONCLUSION: In some patients in whom bone marrow transplantation has cured thalassemia, cirrhosis may be reversible after iron removal treatment. PMID: 11992302, UI: 21987737 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 3:19am (CDT-2) From: ironjustice@aol.com Toms says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. That's irresponsible, undocumented and patently wrong. Spidey '''''''''''''''' Hey Tom! Is that what you said? You don't really believe that bullshit, do you? elmo << Let's put it this way .. iron depletion is BETTER than anything .. If one gets regression of cirrhosis and fibrosis .. BY .. this 'treatment' and this 'treatment' .. just so happens to BE recommended FOR a disease which is ALSO has fibrosis and cirrhosis AND the target OF the 'treatment' {hepatitis C];.. then one can simply theorize that it .. WOULD .. cure it since reversal of fibrosis and cirrhosis in an organ that regenerates .. means .. ? .. the main problem OF hepatitis C is the destruction of the liver .. and since THAT is halted and regressed .. then .. ? Voila .. Cure .. Or as close to it as you are going to come. Regression of cirrhosis and fibrosis in a disease which iron is involved . deposited in the liver .. and when removed .. reversal of cirrhosis and fibrosis. Ann Intern Med 2002 May 7;136(9):667-72 Reversibility of cirrhosis in patients cured of thalassemia by bone marrow transplantation. Muretto P, Angelucci E, Lucarelli G Unita Operativa di Anatomia Patologica, Azienda Ospedaliera San Salvatore di Pesaro, 6110 Pesaro, Italy. p.mure...@ospedalesansalvatore.it BACKGROUND: Cirrhosis is a well-known complication of thalassemia major. In this context, it is a consequence of iron overload and hepatitis C virus infection and generally seems to be irreversible. OBJECTIVE: To determine whether cirrhosis in thalassemia major can be reversible. DESIGN: Retrospective study. SETTING: Bone Marrow Transplantation Unit and Pathology Service, Pesaro Hospital, Pesaro, Italy. PATIENTS: 6 patients who developed liver cirrhosis before or after their thalassemia was cured by bone marrow transplantation (age at transplantation, 11 to 25 years). After diagnosis of cirrhosis, the patients received iron depletion and antiviral therapies. MEASUREMENTS: Each liver biopsy specimen was coded. A liver pathologist and a member of the transplantation center with expertise in hepatopathology graded the specimens by using the Ishak staging and grading systems. Neither knew the patient's identity or the sequence of biopsy with regard to the time of treatment. RESULTS: After the patients received iron depletion and antiviral therapies, liver biopsy specimens showed impressive reduction in liver iron stores. In 4 patients, iron removal was complete. Serum aminotransferase levels decreased in all patients and normalized in 5; histologic inflammatory activity decreased in all patients and disappeared in 2. Follow-up biopsies showed regression of incomplete or definite cirrhosis in all patients; 3 patients had presented with portal fibrosis without bridging, and the others had portal fibrosis and portal-to-portal bridging. Several biopsies and the presence of many portal spaces confirmed the diagnosis of cirrhosis; follow-up biopsies confirmed regression of cirrhosis. CONCLUSION: In some patients in whom bone marrow transplantation has cured thalassemia, cirrhosis may be reversible after iron removal treatment. PMID: 11992302, UI: 21987737 ---------------------------------------------- ------ Who loves ya. Tom /////////// I didn't see any mention of the word 'hcv cure' during this discussion. And in the context of this NG, 'cure' means the total eradication of the hepc virus. The article also mentioned the use of antiviral therapy in combination with iron depletion to get a reduction in fibrosis and cirrhosis. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >> I didn't see any mention of the word 'hcv cure' during this discussion. And in the context of this NG, 'cure' means the total eradication of the hepc virus. The article also mentioned the use of antiviral therapy in combination with iron depletion to get a reduction in fibrosis and cirrhosis. elmo<< Well the .. article .. supplied didn't speak to .. hep .. at .. all .. I've supplied the study by Herbert in which iron reduction therapy is called "an effective alternative to interferon and ribavarin " .. soooo .. the fact fibrosis and cirrhosis is .. **reversed** BY iron reduction .. means .. extrapolate THAT to .. hepatitis .. C .. If it is as effective as anti-virals .. then .. anti-virals are not needed .. and if iron reduction is effective in regression of fibrosis and cirrhosis .. and if fibrosis and cirrhosis ARE .. a 'problem' .. IN .. hepatitis C .. then .. That would mean .. no anti-virals needed and reversal of fibrosis and cirrhosis .. And if you cannot .. SEE .. that it CAN be .. extrapolated .. then .. buddy .. you are wasting your time questioning ANYONE in regards to .. medical .. studies. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 9:09am (CDT-2) From: ironjustice@aol.com I didn't see any mention of the word 'hcv cure' during this discussion. And in the context of this NG, 'cure' means the total eradication of the hepc virus. The article also mentioned the use of antiviral therapy in combination with iron depletion to get a reduction in fibrosis and cirrhosis. elmo<< Well the .. article .. supplied didn't speak to .. hep .. at .. all .. I've supplied the study by Herbert in which iron reduction therapy is called "an effective alternative to interferon and ribavarin " .. soooo . the fact fibrosis and cirrhosis is .. **reversed** BY iron reduction . means .. extrapolate THAT to .. hepatitis .. C .. If it is as effective as anti-virals .. then .. anti-virals are not needed .. and if iron reduction is effective in regression of fibrosis and cirrhosis .. and if fibrosis and cirrhosis ARE .. a 'problem' .. IN . hepatitis C .. then .. That would mean .. no anti-virals needed and reversal of fibrosis and cirrhosis .. And if you cannot .. SEE .. that it CAN be .. extrapolated .. then .. buddy .. you are wasting your time questioning ANYONE in regards to .. medical .. studies. Who loves ya. Tom ///////////// Tom, I appreciate that you're posting info about iron overload and iron reduction, but your logic in interpreting these articles is flawed, to say the least. If phlebotomy was as effective in controlling or eradicating hcv as you say, why wouldn't health professionals be using that regimen in place of standard therapy? After all, it's much less expensive than combo drugs. And don't try to tell me that it's because the drug companies have some sort of conspiracy to get all your money. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >>Tom, I appreciate that you're posting info about iron overload and iron reduction, but your logic in interpreting these articles is flawed, to say the least. If phlebotomy was as effective in controlling or eradicating hcv as you say, why wouldn't health professionals be using that regimen in place of standard therapy? After all, it's much less expensive than combo drugs.<< According to Herbert .. it is .. effective .. WHY 'they' do not use it is a matter of .. question .. Most likely has to do with the fact they have to approach .. YOU / hepatitis C carrier .. WITH a .. needle .. And their abilities to actually .. handle a needle .. IE: needle sticks .. would give them that added .. incentive to .. continue using .. drugs. >> And don't try to tell me that it's because the drug companies have some sort of conspiracy to get all your money. elmo << No .. I believe it has to do with the fact they have to .. physically .. get 'involved' WITH .. the hepatitis .. patient .. and UNLESS the one is proven to be MORE effective .. then they are going to CONTINUE to use the drugs .. And as to your 'conspiracy' theory .. that is PRECISELY why the studies of epoeitin were conducted .. The doctors were suspected of going off label .. using EXTREME AMOUNTS of epoeitin .. because .. ? .. they were / are getting more **MONEY** .. because..? .. they get PAID to use the drug and the more OF the drug they use the more money .. they .. get .. Sooo .. you can say .. "money doesn't come into it" .. when in fact money DOES come into the prescription of drugs .. and it has been ESTABLISHED the use of interferon and ribavirin DOES cost .. a .. **lot** .. Sooo .. whether the doctors get any commission as they did / do with epoeitin .. is a matter of .. research .. Research that I have not done .. I didn't know the doctors got paid by .. QUANTITIY of drug .. used .. either .. IE:epoeitin .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk I didn't know the doctors got paid by .. QUANTITIY of drug .. used .. either .. IE:epoeitin .. << Now that they are talking about "second courses" of interferon and ribavirin DUE TO .. "failure to respond" .. it would be interesting to see IF they DO get paid BY .. quantity .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk One could "forward look" and forsee the use of .. infected .. nurses / doctors TO implement / prove the theory .. and at the very same time .. **put to good use** .. medical professionals who have been .. ostracized / forced to resign due TO .. their infection ..? Sooo .. one could find medical professionals who would be **receptive** to this theory .. because / and .. they themselves would be getting back .. into .. the profession they most likely chose .. because .. of you and your ilk / disease stricken people. Sooo .. they are .. back in the game .. so to speak .. I think a prison population would be the way to go .. captive audience and **food intake** is **controlled** .. The food intake .. iron intake / absorption / 8mcg / day .. is what **has** to be .. proven .. If it comes to the fact the prison system **has** to begin to pay for the transplants which will happen in 70% .. ? .. of the infected prisoners .. ? .. then the dollar savings will be astronomical due to the fact NONE of the patients advanced to carcinoma WHEN iron was .. **restricted** .. And the .. implications .. are .. The government .. us .. is advocating an addition of a substance to our food which .. disallows .. YOU .. from getting food which ALLOWS for this .. reduction .. because .. ? .. they have / are adding at such a high rate to ALL our foods that it is virtually impossible to .. adhere TO the 8mcg / day .. diet. For sure impossible by inclusion of the highly absorbable form of iron .. heme iron / blood ... Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Just a .. reminder .. ------------------------------ Dr. Amy Elizabeth Wallace decided to test thiamine for HBV after a "very bright and aware patient" observed that his aminotransferase levels rose and fell depending on whether he was taking the vitamin. High levels of aminotransferase enzymes indicate more active infection of the liver. In reviewing his chart, Wallace found a relationship--the patient's aminotransferase levels fell when he took thiamine. Wallace and her colleague, Dr. William Brinson Weeks, conducted a trial in this patient and two others with HBV infection to investigate the relationship. All had either failed treatment with interferon or could not tolerate the drug. "While patients were on thiamine treatment, their aminotransferase levels fell from abnormally high to normal levels; these levels increased when thiamine was subsequently withdrawn," Wallace and Weeks write in the March issue of The American Journal of Gastroenterology. And in subsequent liver biopsies after thiamine treatment, HBV DNA was undetectable. This is the first study to investigate thiamine for treating hepatitis B infection. There are several potential ways that the vitamin might fight the infection, according to Wallace, an assistant professor of psychiatry at Dartmouth Medical School in Hanover, New Hampshire. For example, thiamine binds to iron and thus reduces the iron load in the liver. Past studies have linked high iron levels in the liver to more severe HBV infection, as well as a worse response to interferon. "Thiamine is so cheap, way cheaper than any of the treatments that are on the market," Wallace said. And, she noted, the vitamin has no side effects. However, more research is clearly needed to determine if thiamine does indeed help patients with HBV, Dr. Raymond S. Koff, a professor in the division of digestive diseases and nutrition at the University of Massachusetts Medical School in Worcester, told Reuters Health. "The very small number of patients studied is a major limitation of this [study]," he said. "There is no information about thiamine levels before, during or after treatment. A prospective, randomized controlled trial in previously interferon-untreated patients or in nonresponders to interferon therapy will be needed to determine the utility of thiamine in the treatment of chronic hepatitis B." Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk You will know them by their aluminium foil hats... > One could "forward look" and forsee the use of .. infected .. nurses / > doctors TO implement / prove the theory .. and at the very same > time .. **put to good use** .. medical professionals who have been .. > ostracized / forced to resign due TO .. their infection ..? > DEAD PEOPLE WALKING > http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > > Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum I wish it were true, I'd do a Keith Richards and change out all of the old blood and replace it with fresh. Isn't that how you beat heroin addiction as well? :) Dwight Elmo, just to clarify an important fact. one can have hcv with no damage from inflammation from hcv. given this individual also has iron overload/hemachromatosis. And this patient has had iron loading in excess for years, resulting in mild to moderate fibrosis and inflammation directly caused by too much iron storage in the liver.(not mentioning other over stored sites/organs) This happens and sometimes a sharp doc catches it. Sometimes, a dumbass with a wall full of plaques overlooks the latter scenario. The key to this happening is either a most recent hcv infection of about 10 yrs. This was the case..... Randy >Let's put it this way .. iron depletion is BETTER than anything .. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Cure .. Well, Elmo, there you have it, in his own words. Still wonder why Tom is regarded by many as a nutcase? Thomas  SignatureTo reach me, complete my last name in the address. Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:33am (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) On 17 Mar 2007 03:19:08 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote: Let's put it this way .. iron depletion is BETTER than anything .. If one gets regression of cirrhosis and fibrosis .. BY .. this 'treatment' and this 'treatment' .. just so happens to BE recommended FOR a disease which is ALSO has fibrosis and cirrhosis AND the target OF the 'treatment' {hepatitis C];.. then one can simply theorize that it .. WOULD .. cure it since reversal of fibrosis and cirrhosis in an organ that regenerates .. means .. ? .. the main problem OF hepatitis C is the destruction of the liver .. and since THAT is halted and regressed .. then .. ? Voila .. Cure .. Well, Elmo, there you have it, in his own words. Still wonder why Tom is regarded by many as a nutcase? Thomas ----------- I'm beginning to see the light. :-) elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >I'm beginning to see the light. :-) >elmo That's ok - some folks are a bit slower than others ;-) Really, I don't know wtf his agenda actually is, but he consistently plays fast and loose with his associations between various diseases, their manifestations, and resolutions, such that his conclusions end up generally unsupported... Cheers /greyhackles Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 12:22pm From: greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:33am (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) On 17 Mar 2007 03:19:08 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote: Let's put it this way .. iron depletion is BETTER than anything .. If one gets regression of cirrhosis and fibrosis .. BY .. this 'treatment' and this 'treatment' .. just so happens to BE recommended FOR a disease which is ALSO has fibrosis and cirrhosis AND the target OF the 'treatment' {hepatitis C];.. then one can simply theorize that it .. WOULD .. cure it since reversal of fibrosis and cirrhosis in an organ that regenerates .. means .. ? .. the main problem OF hepatitis C is the destruction of the liver .. and since THAT is halted and regressed .. then .. ? Voila .. Cure .. Well, Elmo, there you have it, in his own words. Still wonder why Tom is regarded by many as a nutcase? Thomas ----------- I'm beginning to see the light. :-) elmo That's ok - some folks are a bit slower than others ;-) Really, I don't know wtf his agenda actually is, but he consistently plays fast and loose with his associations between various diseases, their manifestations, and resolutions, such that his conclusions end up generally unsupported... Cheers /greyhackles ////////// Yeah, duhhhhhhhh! :-) They say 'you can't argue with a sick mind'. So I'm not going to. I guess he's fair game for pot shots, no pun intended. Tom, good buddy, you're on your own from here. Best of luck! ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! elmo farting on the Blarney Stone http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 12:22pm From: greyhackles@NOSPAMyahoo.com (greyhackles) Re: Well, what about interferon? To Spidey and Iron Justice Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Sat, Mar 17, 2007, 10:33am (CDT+1) From: tomw@capecod.com (Thomas Wagner) On 17 Mar 2007 03:19:08 -0700, "ironjustice@aol.com" <ironjustice@aol.com> wrote: Let's put it this way .. iron depletion is BETTER than anything .. If one gets regression of cirrhosis and fibrosis .. BY .. this 'treatment' and this 'treatment' .. just so happens to BE recommended FOR a disease which is ALSO has fibrosis and cirrhosis AND the target OF the 'treatment' {hepatitis C];.. then one can simply theorize that it .. WOULD .. cure it since reversal of fibrosis and cirrhosis in an organ that regenerates .. means .. ? .. the main problem OF hepatitis C is the destruction of the liver .. and since THAT is halted and regressed .. then .. ? Voila .. Cure .. Well, Elmo, there you have it, in his own words. Still wonder why Tom is regarded by many as a nutcase? Thomas ----------- I'm beginning to see the light. :-) elmo That's ok - some folks are a bit slower than others ;-) Really, I don't know wtf his agenda actually is, but he consistently plays fast and loose with his associations between various diseases, their manifestations, and resolutions, such that his conclusions end up generally unsupported... Cheers /greyhackles ////////// Yeah, duhhhhhhhh! :-) They say 'you can't argue with a sick mind'. So I'm not going to. I guess he's fair game for pot shots, no pun intended. Tom, good buddy, you're on your own from here. Best of luck! ahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! elmo farting on the Blarney Stone <sigh> Well, I guess he is a fucktard after all. Psst, Dort! Now we know what it means! ;-) >> Well, Elmo, there you have it, in his own words. Still wonder why Tom is regarded by many as a nutcase? << Sooo .. the fact iron reverses fibrosis reverses cirrhosis prevents progression and DISALLOWS .. hepatocellular carcinoma .. in ALL subjects tested .. means .. it IS .. an **effective** treatment .. as effective as .. **anything**. <<snip>> None of these patients developed hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC). <<snip>> http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/61/24/8697 Clinical Investigations Normalization of Elevated Hepatic 8-Hydroxy-2'-Deoxyguanosine Levels in Chronic Hepatitis C Patients by Phlebotomy and Low Iron Diet1 Junji Kato, Masayoshi Kobune, Tokiko Nakamura, Ganji Kuroiwa, Kohichi Takada, Rishu Takimoto, Yasuhiro Sato, Koshi Fujikawa, Minoru Takahashi, Tetsuji Takayama, Tatsuru Ikeda and Yoshiro Niitsu2 Fourth Department of Internal Medicine [J. K., T. N., G. K., K. T., R. T., Y. S., K. F., M. T., T. T., Y. N.] and Department of Molecular Medicine [M. K.], Sapporo Medical University School of Medicine, and Department of Clinical Pathology, Sapporo Medical University Hospital [T. I.], Sapporo 060-8543, Japan Accumulation of 8-hydroxy-2'-deoxyguanosine (8-OHdG) in DNA, which may result from the continuous reactive oxygen species (ROS) generation associated with chronic inflammation, has been reported in various human preneoplastic lesions and in cancerous tissues. However, no direct causative relationship between the 8-OHdG formation and carcinogenesis has been thus far demonstrated in humans. Directly proving the causality requires showing that depletion of 8-OHdG levels in tissue by interfering with ROS generation results in a reduction in cancer. Chronic hepatitis C virus (HCV) infection is associated with a high risk of hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC). Several studies on patients with chronic HCV have shown that hepatic iron overload is attributable to liver injury and that iron depletion improved serum aminotransferase levels. Excess iron is known to generate ROS within cells, which causes mutagenic lesions, such as 8-OHdG. In this study, therefore, we have evaluated whether therapeutic iron reduction (phlebotomy and low iron diet) with a long-term follow-up (6 years) would decrease the hepatic 8-OHdG levels and the risk of HCC development in patients with chronic HCV. Patients (34) enrolled were those who had undergone standard IFN therapy but had no sustained response. Quantitative immunohistochemistry using the KS-400 image analyzing system and electrochemical detection was used for 8-OHdG detection. With this treatment, elevated hepatic 8-OHdG levels in patients with chronic hepatitis C (8.3 ± 4.6/105 dG) significantly decreased to almost normal levels (2.2 ± 0.9/105 dG; P < 0.001) with concomitant improvement of hepatitis severity, including fibrosis, whereas HCV titers were unaffected. None of these patients developed HCC. Thus, long-term iron reduction therapy in patients with chronic hepatitis C may potentially lower the risk of progression to HCC. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk fact true fact thats the main point sir! > fact true fact thats the main point sir You sed..."fucktard" ...heh...heh.... dort lol next in the line of lingerie and lingering thongs for this season... (hint... women will not wear red underwear in public)... especially iron oxide. (words of experience from frillies maker and tie dyer who does not use any scarlet red, but pink is ok, and dusty rose is still hot in some parts of town) cactus jammies tie dye to dialate for...! ============================ >> fact true fact thats the main point sir > > You sed..."fucktard" ...heh...heh.... > > dort >> Um...what was a fucktard again? It was discussed a while back but I can't >> remember what the final definition was. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels > will cure hepatitis c. ///////////// LOL what have I done!!!??? Re: Well, what about interferon? To cactus regarding slamming tom Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Thu, Mar 15, 2007, 2:05pm (CDT+5) From: cactusjammies@imitation.univ.net (Cactus Jammies) "Waterspider" <nospam@all.com> wrote Um...what was a fucktard again? It was discussed a while back but I can't remember what the final definition was. dort My definition of a fucktard is someone who says that lowering iron levels will cure hepatitis c. ///////////// LOL what have I done!!!??? /////////// You don't really want me to answer that one, do you? ahahahahahahaha!!!!! elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > Ok, Tom, I'm really curious. What is your story? I assume you have HCV, is > > that correct? Have you ever tried treatment? And since iron is such a huge [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > BE .. known .. > And .. no .. I am not .. afflicted with every disease I post to .. Ah, ha! The first real truth anyone anywhere has gotten out of Tommy! He has none of the diseases he's perpetually posting about! The only part of his story which needs to be known: he is an Internet nutcase with a "thing" about iron. Sylvia do your homework on iron excess and hcv while doing hcv meds. they work terribly. Are you a dumbass also...? eve yor bleeding a.s can be overloaded with iron. ignorant bitch Oh cool. Another troll. Oh well, it's been a while... Hey girl, i'm not a troll. ive been around along time. thank goodness. sad to say with a liver full of dragons........ now you should know trolls dont have dragons....... now be a good little recluse and get in your corner..... > Hey girl, i'm not a troll. ive been around along time. thank goodness. > sad to say with a liver full of dragons........ now you should know > trolls dont have dragons....... now be a good little recluse and get in > your corner..... Ya have to admit that your "iron overload...bleeding a.s... ignorant bitch...dumbass" rant sounded a bit trollish. That aside, sorry to hear about your resident dragons. Take care. Waterspider <reclusing back to her corner> my brother died of HH-ironoverload, spIderfreak DO YOU KNOW NOT YOUR a.s FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND? AND I DEFINITELY AM NO TROLL....... > my brother died of HH-ironoverload, spIderfreak DO YOU KNOW NOT YOUR a.s > FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND? AND I DEFINITELY AM NO TROLL....... And I'm sorry to hear about your brother. But, you still sound like a troll. >my brother died of HH-ironoverload, spIderfreak DO YOU KNOW NOT YOUR a.s >FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND? AND I DEFINITELY AM NO TROLL....... <sniff> <sniff> eeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! You sure smell like a particularly odious, nasty troll from here, fuckwit. And your sheet is showing. Ku Klux Klansman indeed. <SLAP!> <SLAP!> <SLAP!> Be gone, bitch! And never soil this place with your foul presence again, tardboy. Re: Well, what about interferon? Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Tue, Mar 6, 2007, 5:11pm (CDT-3) From: Sylv772003@yahoo.com (Sylv) ironjustice wrote: Ok, Tom, I'm really curious. What is your story? I assume you have HCV, is that correct? Have you ever tried treatment? And since iron is such a huge concern of yours, what do you do for yourself and how has it affected your HCV and/or liver? I'm not being sarcastic. You've popped in and out of here a lot but never said anything about yourself.- Ok, Tom, I'm really curious. What is your story? << My 'story' ,, is .. iron reduction is called "an effective alternative to interferon" .. THAT is about ALL about my .. story .. which REALLY .. **needs** to BE .. known .. And .. no .. I am not .. afflicted with every disease I post to .. Ah, ha! ////////////// The first real truth anyone anywhere has gotten out of Tommy! He has none of the diseases he's perpetually posting about! The only part of his story which needs to be known: he is an Internet nutcase with a "thing" about iron. Sylvia //////////// And who the hell are you, Sylvia? elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > > Ok, Tom, I'm really curious. What is your story? I assume you have HCV, is > > > that correct? Have you ever tried treatment? And since iron is such a huge [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > Sylvia What would make somebody who hasn't got this dreadful shitty disease want to post things on a Web group like this ?.Unfortunately for me I am Hep C positive otherwise I wouldn't be reading these texts,and another thing even though I for some obscure reason I had a hard on for Iron,[we all get our jollies one way or another] wouldn't be writing in all the time singing it's not very useful praises.I can assure any one in my increasing desperate need for something to give my very badly scarred Liver a helping hand I have tried just about any thing I could get my hands on,the only thing which for me showed any sign of an improvement was Milk Thistle and this was only for short bursts I,E, about six months at a time.Taking this for much longer forced me to endure some very bad reactions,with things like a near death 24 hour flu type reaction.The specialist I see said that it's the manufacturing process which is to blame,the quality control are no where near as good as it is for real pharmacuticals and the amounts in each capsule/ tablet vary greatly.Like I say to all who I know are taking this preperation watch what you are doing,and the first signs of lethargy/sickness/sweats/shivers stop taking it,I hope non of you get this type of reaction all I am saying is be careful.The flu like symptons are awful and it very nearly turns into some thing far worse like Pneumonia,be lucky.Also I have never taken or ever been told to take the "MIGHTY IRON" I seriously doubt I would do it anyway.*GED* Having HH and HCV is a double dose of a big chance for developing liver cancer(HCC) plus more! Tom has pushed thru with info which is very important to hemachromatosis patients with HCV. Toms posts are informative to people who do not have HH or HCV. Why? Because too much iron is dangerous. Period. This Snake in the grass is over-looked by the general population. Bacteria,cancers etc thrive on iron. One bowl of Kelloggs corn flakes has 45% daily allow. of iron. That does not include snacks, lunch, supper and more snacks. Hamburgers, t-bones booze (compounds iron uptake) breads etc. We are fed too much iron. Free Radical scavengers I.E iron ions smash into cells bursting them. Sometimes just damaging them. These damaged cells can cause various problems. Not to mention the permanent damage to DNA which after damaged can be passed on to future generations as Damaged DNA. So he cruises in and out of this NG! Everyone else does at various intervals. Whats your point? Excess Iron causes everything from diebetes type 2, depression, and alot more. Now, I say that is important to anyone with HCV. And information that needs passing on to everyone. > >>>There is no question that it can control erythrocytosis > > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > I'm not being sarcastic. You've popped in and out of here a lot but never > said anything about yourself. I've actually met this man. He lived near where I once worked. Small work..'eh? dort This article shows .. at the very least .. overdosing causing erythrocytosis leads to increased ALT .. <<snip>> side-effects we found were elevated liver enzyme and haemoglobin levels. <<snip>> Basic Clin Pharmacol Toxicol. 2006 Feb;98(2):222-4. Links Accidental ten times overdose administration of recombinant human erythropoietin (rh-EPO) up to 318,000 units a day in acute myocardial infarction: report of two cases.Shin DH, Kwon YI, Choi SI, Park US, Lee J, Shin JH, Lee JU, Kim SG, Kim JH, Lim HK, Lee BH, Kim KS. Cardiology Division, Hanyang University College of Medicine, Seoul, Korea. The cytokine erythropoietin protects the heart from ischaemic injury, in part by preventing apoptosis. But appropriate dose of erythropoietin for the protection of injured heart has not been studied. While we were researching the cardiac protective effects of erythropoietin in acute myocardial infarction, we experienced two cases of accidental nearly ten times overdose administration of erythropoietin up to 318,000 units instead of 33,000 units on the second day of three scheduled days of treatment. So a total of 384,000 units of erythropoietin were administered during three days. In case 1, the ALT level soared up to 386 U/l on the second day of administration and decreased slowly. It was back to normal state 3 months later. The AST level increased slowly up to 391 U/l and normalized 3 months later. Haemoglobin level was elevated up to 15.7 g/ dl (14.7 g/dl at admission) and, 3 months later, normalized to 14.8 g/ dl. In case 2, the ALT level was elevated up to 98 U/l on the second day of administration and decreased slowly. Three months later, the ALT level was normalized. The AST level also increased slowly up to 71 U/l and normalized 3 months later. Haemoglobin level was elevated up to 15.6 g/dl (13.8 g/dl at admission) and, 3 months later, normalized to 13.6 g/dl. In these two cases reported, these patients, even after massive overdose, tolerated it relatively well and the only side- effects we found were elevated liver enzyme and haemoglobin levels. PMID: 16445599 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk |
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