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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Hepatitis / February 2007Checking in
Hi all - I was in this group a lot during my tx which was the 2nd half of 2004. Tx kicked my butt but it worked - my last test was at the end of last year and Dr said it didn't make any sense to keep testing, after 2 years it (I add "probably" here) wasn't going to come back The only long-lasting side-effect has been a difficult-to-treat depression but I'm doing OK. Some good things, some bad things, but overall life is good and I can't complain. When I feel bad I troll through Youtube for entertainment. Scanning through postings here it looks like there's been a lot of bad news. Some people gone, some people relapsing. Sadness and frustration. Hard to be accepting of it. But we have to, eh? Although some days it helps to just let it out, like Aunt Ida: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hs51FCwyMV0 Found this a while back: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W1VY4b9IQQ It's really bizarrely funny even off of brain-confusing chemicals. Some people love this, some people are scared by it. It makes me giggle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELknoJC2WEQ This isn't Youtube but it's lovely and soothing: http://www.jugglethis.net/files/videos/EJC2005ptuj.mpg Somehow I know some people here will really enjoy this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-UJXCw6vyk Off to work..... Gonna go give the dog an extra chewstrip. Hugs and kisses and manly pats on the shoulder as appropriate. Some day Good to see you, Gordo. Yeah, this year has been filled with death and destruction. I'm ready for some good news for a change. Hope you get a handle on your depression soon, bro. elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Actually, even though the depression has been difficult to treat it's currently responding well to Wellbutrin. Had some upsetting dog problems this weekend that didn't end well but don't need to add that into the mix. Just hope for better things for those here who aren't doing well. G. > Good to see you, Gordo. Yeah, this year has been filled with death and > destruction. I'm ready for some good news for a change. Hope you get a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > Actually, even though the depression has been difficult to treat it's > currently responding well to Wellbutrin. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > G. Depression: a luxury of the rich. I have never been depressed since I started practising Buddhism almost 40 years ago. Why do you need to use anti depression drugs as a crutch? Cody > > Actually, even though the depression has been difficult to treat it's > > currently responding well to Wellbutrin. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > started practising Buddhism almost 40 years ago. Why do you need to use > anti depression drugs as a crutch? I started on antidepressant drugs when it was clear that therapy wasn't working. Having never suffered from incapacitating depression but having seen it on both sides of my family I made the decision that stabilizing my mental processes chemically was the best short-term option. I do believe that antidepressants - like benzodiazepines before them - are overprescribed. I also believe that in my case, at this particular point in time, they were the best option. >>> Actually, even though the depression has been difficult to treat it's >>> currently responding well to Wellbutrin. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > are overprescribed. I also believe that in my case, at this particular > point in time, they were the best option. The drugs treat the symptoms. What you need to do is go after the cause of the depression. Cody > >>> Actually, even though the depression has been difficult to treat it's > >>> currently responding well to Wellbutrin. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > The drugs treat the symptoms. What you need to do is go after the cause > of the depression. "Treating the cause": a luxury of the non-clinically-depressed. There's a huge distinction between sadness and clinical depression. >>>>> Actually, even though the depression has been difficult to treat it's >>>>> currently responding well to Wellbutrin. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > There's a huge distinction between sadness and clinical depression. Um, last I heard, depression comes from your mind, not from some clinic. If you tell yourself that your "clinically" depressed and believe it, I guess all you can do is treat the symptoms because you've convinced yourself that someone who is "clinically" depressed has no cure. You're alive. You're not starving in Africa or N. Korea (they really have something to get depressed about). You're not in jail. You're not living in a country with a war going on. You have food on your table. You should be thankful, not depressed. Cody [...] > You should be thankful, not depressed. Exactly the state I find myself in at the moment. G off with his head! > off with his head! Oh my. Re: Checking in Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Feb 16, 2007, 11:02pm (CST+1) From: ga_mondragon@yahoo.com (Gordo Mondragon) In article <15788-45D6725A-433@storefull-3354.bay.webtv.net>, RandyThomas2222@webtv.net (Randy Thomas) wrote: off with his head! ///////// Oh my. ////////// we could post the video on youboobtube.com :-) elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum >>>> Actually, even though the depression has been difficult to treat >>>> it's currently responding well to Wellbutrin. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Cody Cody, I had never had a problem with depression until my second round of tx and haven't had a problem since. From my limited experience, the depression was caused by the drugs and it took drugs to help alleviate the symptoms. If and when you do tx, I sincerely hope you aren't bothered by depression, it is real and debilitating. Dwight Cody cody cod......... you cannot change..... you would be an elvis impersonator with breast implants......... Randy Cody How can you use Buddhism as a crutch for a cure for depression? Depression after tx is usually is a chemical imbalance from inf jacking up the adrenal glands to jack up the immune system..and so on. It is noted from a dr. in Spain in Pub Med that inf can leave adrenal glands with antibodies just like the thyroid gets them and down hill you go. All hormones of the adrenal glands should be checked before and after tx.. If that had been done with me it would have been noted that I had over range norepinephrine (adrenaline) and a tumor in my adrenal gland and 4 other hormones over producing. Some anti Ds increase adrenal production of cortisol, and some make norepinephrine hang around longer in the brain. I was having reactions to the Anti Ds like passing out it was a indication of something wrong a OD on norepinephrine. But the BCLD never looked into it like dr.s never look into any thing as far as I am concerned. Your were lucky you were so easily cured with a religion, only if it were that easy for all of us. Glad you still around and doing OK. Juanita not@aol.org (Cody) Depression: a luxury of the rich. I have never been depressed since I started practising Buddhism almost 40 years ago. Why do you need to use anti depression drugs as a crutch? Cody > Cody > How can you use Buddhism as a crutch for a cure for depression? Do you realize how little sense this makes? > Depression after tx is usually is a chemical imbalance from inf jacking > up the adrenal glands to jack up the immune system..and so on. It is [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > only if it were that easy for all of us. Glad you still around and > doing OK. Juanita The drugs treat the symptoms, not the cause. Cody > not@aol.org (Cody) > Depression: a luxury of the rich. I have never been depressed since I > started practising Buddhism almost 40 years ago. Why do you need to use > anti depression drugs as a crutch? > Cody u go girl!!! Randy Cody you are an a.shole. > Cody you are an a.shole. Well, this very time Cody expressed his opinion in a clear way, but it was just his opinion and he wasn't offending anyone. He even ended his post with a question to which Gordo answered without any kind of problem. In spite of what is going on here lately, we haven't been having those stupid flame wars to which, you too, use to take so much part in. So, please, don't _you_ behave like an a.shole, keep your mouth and save us another one. Thank you. Regards, jeeb. Jeeb, Gordo logs in to say hello and that he is having trouble with depression. Cody annouces that depression is a rich man's luxury. What kind of support it that? Get real. The reason there haven't been any flame wars lately is because Cody disappeared. Can you add? kj > Jeeb, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kj I can add, Kathy, once will be enough, though. Cody did not announce anything. He just said something about depression that, quite frankly, is usually repeated, or at least thought, everywhere by nearly everyone. With this, I'm not stating that depression isn't a real disease. Indeed, as a matter of fact, I am experimenting a case in my family. That said, Kathy, what forced me to reply was the content of your post. Gordo replied to Cody politely, you just popped up with the usual 'a.shole' thing, actually triggering those, I repeat, stupid flame wars we're all fed up with. And now you came out with the usual excuse that Cody didn't offer any help in his post. Is he due to? You do get real, please. Have a nice day, jeeb. [...] > Cody did not announce anything. > He just said something about depression that, quite frankly, is usually > repeated, or at least thought, everywhere by nearly everyone. Jeeb - I think that hasn't been true for at least the last 5 years, maybe even a decade. [...] > You do get real, please. Reality is *good*. oh come on now! a little flame under an a.s keeps one moving along. dont take things and make a war. nothing wrong with cutting up a little! Now cody old chap, lay your left hand upon the chopping block! ahahahahah I doubt anyone actually hates anyone in here.... i may cock a leg and piss on a foot by accident Randy ps i hope all are well or comfortable today and tommorrow kj - I should have been clearer that although I'd been having depression issues the meds I've been taking are working really well and I'm not feeling vunerable at all, so all I did was laugh at the predictability of Cody's phrasing. I mean really, what else would you expect from him? I appreciate the concern and support but honestly, I'm fine and I would feel AWFUL if my popping in resulted in a whole lot of argumentative postings. I was pleased to hear that there hasn't been much flaming lately - that's so important for the people who are here because they've got real problems that this group can help with. G In article <dcbf93a90838eb7121e1111e2a75daf1@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, > Jeeb, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kj Re: Checking in Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Feb 16, 2007, 10:02am (CST+1) From: kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com (kjoh) Jeeb, Gordo logs in to say hello and that he is having trouble with depression. Cody annouces that depression is a rich man's luxury. What kind of support it that? Get real. The reason there haven't been any flame wars lately is because Cody disappeared. Can you add? kj /////////////// It's a cyclical phenomenon, Koko. It's been going on for years. Cody disappears for awhile and all is bliss in the NG. Then, out of the blue, he jumps in and pulls someone's chain. And in doing so, he pulls everybody's chain. Getting you to react this way is what helps him get his jollies. Now I'm going to get back to my morning meditation. elmo deep cleansing breaths ummmmmmmmmmmm http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum It just wouldnt be the same around here with out Cody, he is too fun to toy with and hard to resist like chocolate. Juanita > It just wouldnt be the same around here with out Cody, he is too fun to > toy with and hard to resist like chocolate. > > Juanita Have we done something together that I don't remember? :-) Cody Re: Checking in Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Mon, Feb 19, 2007, 10:43am (CST+7) From: not@aol.org (Cody) JV wrote: It just wouldnt be the same around here with out Cody, he is too fun to toy with and hard to resist like chocolate. Juanita Have we done something together that I don't remember? :-) Cody ////////// Yeah, you did. Juanita crapped a large, adrenallous turd and you smoked it. Don't you remember? elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum Hey Jeeb, Sometimes it's the way in which something is said that comes across sounding impertinent or said in such a way as to appear to visciously challenge a gentle assumption. I was not surprised by Cody when he, out of the blue, apparently began denegrating the clinical depression suffered by someone else. The way it was worded in ENGLISH made it sound as though his depression was a result of some spiritual imbalance or another. That's the way I read it, I think it is a matter of subjective interpretation. And I think it was meant as a put down, and I don't think that the person who meant the slight, obviously, has the self-control to even acknowledge an counter-insult when he is full-blown goofy about some illusion or another. so there d'accord? cactus jammies > Well, > this very time Cody expressed his opinion in a clear way, but it was just [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Regards, > jeeb. > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > cactus jammies d'accord CJ ;) Cheers, jeeb. > Cody you are an a.shole. How's your little exclusive Google group going? Now, there's something depressing! LOL! Cody Cody knows that I have friends here. Cody knows that by being nasty to me he can stir people up. I intentionally didn't respond to his nastiness. It would make me very happy if no one else took the bait either. It's not like anything he says could upset me in any way. I long ago learned to recognize that it's got nothing to do with me. Thanks G In article <ea31c4d916525f3a4d70432ad03e8198@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, > Cody you are an a.shole. > Cody knows that I have friends here. Cody knows that by being nasty to > me he can stir people up. How was I being nasty? I intentionally didn't respond to his > nastiness. You did respond to my post. It would make me very happy if no one else took the bait > either. What bait? > It's not like anything he says could upset me in any way. I long ago > learned to recognize that it's got nothing to do with me. > > Thanks > G I wasn't trying to upset you. Cody > In article > <ea31c4d916525f3a4d70432ad03e8198@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, > >> Cody you are an a.shole. Re: Checking in Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Feb 16, 2007, 8:45am (CST+1) From: ga_mondragon@yahoo.com (Gordo Mondragon) Cody knows that I have friends here. Cody knows that by being nasty to me he can stir people up. I intentionally didn't respond to his nastiness. It would make me very happy if no one else took the bait either. G //////// Yep, I'm not going to fling a single turd at him. :-) elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > > Re: Checking in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Yep, I'm not going to fling a single turd at him. :-) > elmo Now you've gone and hurt my feelings :-( Cody throw him in the sewer... come on please please please..... was he whole assed, half assed, smart a.s, dumb a.s ???? a complete turd tunnel! ahahahah Randy Cody, you were not singing that tune a few months ago....... at least you can carry some sort of tune! (in a five gallon bucket) ahahahah Randy > Hi all - > > [...] Hi Gordo, nice to hear from you and hope you get back to your old yourself as soon as possible. Cheers, jeeb. Hello Gordo Amazmo with the superhuman immune system! It is GREAT to hear from you. We were just talking about you... ;-) A bunch of us are still lurking around but methinks we all crawled under our respective rocks for the winter. Did something happen to Cooper? C'mon, fess up. Kathy in Montana In article <a4d1bc6b534f7d70ee5cdc18d2ebeaf7@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, > Hello Gordo Amazmo with the superhuman immune system! It is GREAT to hear > from you. We were just talking about you... ;-) > > A bunch of us are still lurking around but methinks we all crawled under > our respective rocks for the winter. Did something happen to Cooper? > C'mon, fess up. No, Cooper is great. A year ago we decided he was bored so we got a 2nd dog. A sweet little ugly thing with sad eyes that he seemed to get along with. She turned out to be wonderful with humans but completely weird with other dogs - she'd pester and pester and then when they gave her the BACK OFF body language she'd sometimes start fighting and when she did it was a complete out of control frenzy. Then when we pulled them apart - by grabbing their legs and pulling - she was strong and out-of-control and she twice whipped around and took big chunks out of my partner. It happened again on Friday night, for no reason, no trigger, and she got her face all chewed up while she was at it. So when we took her to the emergency vet we were faced with either getting her fixed up and then put in a shelter where she'd sit in a cage for the rest of her life because she had a history of biting people or putting her to sleep. It was a horrible, horrible thing to have to decide. There are probably people who won't agree with the decision to put her to sleep but I believe it was the best thing for her. So it's been a rough week. She was my little girl. If you knelt down she'd give you a hug and lick your ear. Early in the morning she'd crawl up next to me in bed and go to sleep with her head next to mine on the pillow where I'd find her when I woke up. But she was f.cked up mentally and there was no fix for it and that made her dangerous. Cooper, though, is relieved. G Re: Checking in Group: alt.support.hepatitis-c Date: Fri, Feb 16, 2007, 8:42am (CST+1) From: ga_mondragon@yahoo.com (Gordo Mondragon) In article <a4d1bc6b534f7d70ee5cdc18d2ebeaf7@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, "kjoh" <kjohyayhoo@nospamyahoo.com> wrote: Hello Gordo Amazmo with the superhuman immune system! It is GREAT to hear from you. We were just talking about you... ;-) A bunch of us are still lurking around but methinks we all crawled under our respective rocks for the winter. Did something happen to Cooper? C'mon, fess up. No, Cooper is great. A year ago we decided he was bored so we got a 2nd dog. A sweet little ugly thing with sad eyes that he seemed to get along with. She turned out to be wonderful with humans but completely weird with other dogs - she'd pester and pester and then when they gave her the BACK OFF body language she'd sometimes start fighting and when she did it was a complete out of control frenzy. Then when we pulled them apart - by grabbing their legs and pulling - she was strong and out-of-control and she twice whipped around and took big chunks out of my partner. It happened again on Friday night, for no reason, no trigger, and she got her face all chewed up while she was at it. So when we took her to the emergency vet we were faced with either getting her fixed up and then put in a shelter where she'd sit in a cage for the rest of her life because she had a history of biting people or putting her to sleep. It was a horrible, horrible thing to have to decide. There are probably people who won't agree with the decision to put her to sleep but I believe it was the best thing for her. So it's been a rough week. She was my little girl. If you knelt down she'd give you a hug and lick your ear. Early in the morning she'd crawl up next to me in bed and go to sleep with her head next to mine on the pillow where I'd find her when I woke up. But she was f.cked up mentally and there was no fix for it and that made her dangerous. Cooper, though, is relieved. G //////////// Sorry to hear that, Gordo. I know it's got to be difficult. :-( elmo http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/DocElmosHepFile http://community.webtv.net/elmoemerson/TheFamilyAlbum > In article > <a4d1bc6b534f7d70ee5cdc18d2ebeaf7@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com>, [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > G Gordo, sorry to hear about the dog. I have a new puppy (6 months old now) and she is still a little too rambuncious, especially around our cats. Of course when the cats get tired of her they send her running. Dwight > I have a new puppy (6 months old > now) and she is still a little too rambuncious, especially around our > cats. Of course when the cats get tired of her they send her running. I have to be honest that Cooper is such a subtle dog, but so communicative in his subtle way, that I am loathe to get another dog. But I'd love to have a puppy. I'm glad you're enjoying yours. G. > Hi all - > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Off to work..... Yo Gordo ! Good to hear things are going well for the most part. I stayed on the anti-d's after my first round of tx. I really didn't want to, but finally realized they did make a big difference. Still taking Zoloft now - week 43 out of 72 on my second attempt at tx. If you think you need them, you probably do. Once again, good to hear from you bro. And thanks for the great links - I love YouTube. Peace, Thom {formerly known as Firestar} gordo, you old sea dog. i rember you. glad you cleared! shows us meds can work!!!!! Randy > gordo, you old sea dog. i rember you. glad you cleared! shows us meds > can work!!!!! Randy Randy - thanks. 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